--- Day changed Thu Mar 12 2009 00:00 < fenn> interesting site; they dont have an exhaustive selection but it's really cheap: http://www.onlinemetalsupply.com/ 00:11 < gene_> medical implant rod, hmmmmm.... 01:13 < willPow3r> do you guys need a dedicated server for anything? 01:13 < willPow3r> im working at a web hosting company now, so if u need anything let me know 01:13 < kanzure> hrm 01:13 < kanzure> possibly 01:14 < katsmeow-afk> i just went with godaddy :-( 01:14 < willPow3r> they're good for web hosting 01:15 < willPow3r> we're more into dedicated servers 01:16 * katsmeow-afk nods 01:17 < willPow3r> we're actually working with a cloud computing company called 3tera 01:17 < willPow3r> www.3tera.com 01:18 < katsmeow-afk> so you'll be distributed around the planet like google? 01:19 < willPow3r> one virtual server can utilize hardware resources from any computer connected to the cloud 01:19 < willPow3r> so its not uncommon to see one machine with 20 cpus and 80 gb ram 01:19 < katsmeow-afk> i thought i said that 01:19 < willPow3r> then yes 01:19 < katsmeow-afk> :-) 01:20 < willPow3r> ;) 01:20 < katsmeow-afk> Finally, an instance of an application can be cloned, together with its state, database and content, and exported to run on another grid that may be located half-way around the world. 01:21 < katsmeow-afk> it doesn't seem to know about load balancing, dynamic firewall settings, or entire grid crashes for rerouting purposes 01:22 < willPow3r> the most unfortunate part about it is that its proprietary 01:22 < katsmeow-afk> is that why the company went with it? 01:22 < katsmeow-afk> because there is freeware out there, iirc 01:22 < willPow3r> probably 01:23 < willPow3r> the interface on this is pretty amazing though 01:23 < katsmeow-afk> cool,, but still i only needed webhosting 01:23 < willPow3r> heh 01:24 < willPow3r> are you doing a personal website or something? 01:24 < katsmeow-afk> yes, which i had hoped would grow to a business, but shirt happens irl 01:26 < willPow3r> what kind of business 01:27 < katsmeow-afk> sorta like Alexa, Ask, etc, unrestricted domain question/answer in natural language 01:29 < fenn> well hey i could use some webhosting 01:30 < fenn> all i really need is PHP and mod_rewrite or equivalent 01:30 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetting 01:30 < fenn> kanzure: you're just now reading that? 01:31 < kanzure> yeah I suck :( 01:31 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_effect 01:32 < willPow3r> fenn, got a domain name? 01:32 < fenn> yes, it just redirects to fenn.dyndns.org though (fennetic.net) 01:33 < kanzure> fenn: he's a business. 01:33 < kanzure> meanwhile I've been offering you space for a year now. 01:33 < fenn> your upload is like 2kb/s 01:33 < willPow3r> that definitely is true 01:33 < kanzure> oh 01:33 < kanzure> hm, still? 01:34 < fenn> well its more like 20 now 01:34 < fenn> which i guess is ok 01:34 < willPow3r> downloading pdfs from your site is painful 01:35 < kanzure> really? 01:35 < kanzure> I could start hosting them on a lab computer 01:35 < kanzure> I get ~10 MB/sec from my server and from lab computers, so it makes no difference to me. 01:36 < willPow3r> my server here has a 1Gbps uplink 01:36 < kanzure> we're all broke. 01:37 < fenn> some of us are more broke than others :P 01:37 < willPow3r> yeah well they pay me to work here lol 01:37 < willPow3r> i dont have to pay for it 01:37 < kanzure> well good for you 01:37 < willPow3r> im just saying.. trying to share the wealth 01:37 < kanzure> oh, you're offering free hosting? 01:38 < katsmeow-afk> lol 01:38 < willPow3r> yes kanzure. 01:38 < kanzure> oh. yes please. 01:38 < katsmeow-afk> no way 01:39 < fenn> well i got a www.tgz waiting to be uploaded 01:39 < willPow3r> i only have 26 GB available on my server 01:39 < willPow3r> how big is the site? 01:39 < fenn> its only 200MB 01:39 < kanzure> 450 GB 01:39 < kanzure> fuck 01:39 < fenn> rofl 01:40 < willPow3r> hmm 01:40 < willPow3r> send me a drive and i'll put it in there 01:41 < kanzure> okay. 01:43 < fenn> whois willPow3r 01:43 < fenn> heh 01:43 < katsmeow-afk> heh 01:44 < willPow3r> lol 01:44 < fenn> past my bedtime 01:44 < willPow3r> fenn: im making you an ftp account on the server now 01:46 * fenn wonders if he still remembers how to use ftp 01:47 < willPow3r> would you prefer scp? 01:48 < fenn> most definitely 01:48 < fenn> especially if it comes with a real shell 01:59 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-179-57.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:01 < fenn> heh i like the builtin aliases 02:01 < fenn> alias wtf='watch -n 1 w -hs' 02:01 < fenn> alias wth='ps -uxa | more' 02:02 < fenn> i had wtf spit out a line from the BOFH excuses list when i was doing webhosting 02:22 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:48 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, you know gobs about powder coating, that baked on "paint" ? 02:55 < fenn> nope 02:56 < fenn> all i know is you attach it with a high voltage spray gun and then bake it around 500 degrees (which temp scale i do not know) 02:56 < katsmeow-afk> you know just why paint is riddled with tunnels? is it only caused by solvent evaporation? 02:57 < fenn> i dont think so 02:57 * katsmeow-afk listens 02:57 < fenn> other things seem to evaporate cleanly 02:58 < katsmeow-afk> paint seems to act like a sieve at molecular levels 02:58 < katsmeow-afk> even polyurethane and such 03:01 < fenn> and powder coat doesn't do that? 03:02 < fenn> laser toner looks pretty globby under an electron microscope, it's basically the same stuff 03:02 < katsmeow-afk> i don't know, it melts, so i don't think it outgasses 03:02 < katsmeow-afk> laser toner isn't melted so much tho 03:06 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-175-41.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:06 < fenn> it's probably something to do with surface energy and room temperature and not enough free energy to reach a minimal configuration 03:07 * katsmeow-afk nods 03:11 -!- kanzure-- [i=bbishop@66.112.232.182] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 03:13 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-175-41.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:17 < willPow3r> fenn, server is online 05:27 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:56 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:11 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:15 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:22 < willPow3r> fenn, your www directory is /var/www/fennetic.net 09:24 < fenn> good morning :) 09:25 < fenn> i guess i forgot to save my old httpd.conf 09:32 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 09:35 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:00 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:08 < kanzure> fenn: have you downloaded OpenCASCADE_src.tgz yet? 12:21 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:12 < kanzure-_> Arthur Magill works at EPFL? 14:14 < kanzure-_> http://www.cibm.ch/ 14:16 < kanzure-_> http://www.cibm.ch/page65754-en.html rf-coil for human brain function experiments " 14:16 < kanzure-_> The purpose of this project is to design and construct a small surface coil, to safety test it for use in humans and, finally, to acquire localised brain images from volunteers in a functional MRI study at 7T." 14:55 < kanzure-_> how do you force apt-get to get a package from a particular repository? 14:56 < kanzure-_> I don't think I actually had to compile the sources for opencascade last time, and this time, I might have done what fenn did wrong when doing apt-get update and not getting the stuff from opennovation 14:56 < kanzure-_> although the packages are supposed to be the same? 15:06 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-129-93.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:12 -!- kanzure-_ [i=root@dhcp-84-113.me.utexas.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 15:12 -!- kanzure- [i=bryan@dhcp-84-113.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:41 < kanzure-> what did I do after running scons? 16:01 < gene_> ??? 16:02 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:18 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-67-189-243-111.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:19 < kanzure-> http://dhcp-84-113.me.utexas.edu/2009-03-12/ 17:19 < kanzure-> \Pumpless, selective docking of yeast cells inside a microfluidic channel induced by receding meniscus - 2006 17:20 < kanzure-> http://dhcp-84-113.me.utexas.edu/2009-03-12/Pumpless,%20selective%20docking%20of%20yeast%20cells%20inside%20a%20microfluidic%20channel%20induced%20by%20receding%20meniscus%20-%202006.pdf 18:05 * kanzure- leaves 18:37 < kanzure> ok, back 18:48 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-129-93.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:00 < kanzure> oh shit. 19:00 < kanzure> rm -f SWIG_src_modular_linux_darwin/ShapeConstruct.i <--- the pitfalls of "up arrow tab completion" 19:18 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-129-93.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-67-189-243-111.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:24 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:25 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:26 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:28 -!- tarbo2_ [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:29 < kanzure> http://dhcp-84-113.me.utexas.edu/papers/2009-03-12/ 19:30 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:32 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:41 < gene> microfluidic stickers hmmm... 19:41 -!- tarbo2 [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:52 < gene> yeast docking? ??? 20:08 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:11 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:12 < kanzure> gene: yeast docking. I need to re-read that one, but basically a hole grabs yeast as a very thin layer of water recedes over the surface 20:13 < kanzure> fenn: http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/linux.install.readme.txt 20:14 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-129-93.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:06 < kanzure> "Using lateral capillary forces to compute by self-assembly" <- a Rothemund/Winfree paper 21:15 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:52 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:08 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-221.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:13 < gene_> so guess what? 22:14 < gene_> there's this art-tech collective thing in austin, that's being shut down for 'firecode violations' 22:14 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:14 < gene_> I wonder if they have anything that might be of use to us fablabbers? 22:15 < gene_> http://rhizomecollective.org/ 22:16 < gene_> this is their site 22:17 < gene_> guess not 22:26 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:33 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:02 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, did you perchance send me a copy of "Miniature machining techniques" ? i cannot find it,, and if you didn't, then i will promptly cease looking for it 23:04 < fenn> never heard of it 23:04 < katsmeow-afk> k, that saves me time! 23:05 < fenn> there was some paper about micro machine tools that all fit in a briefcase 23:05 * katsmeow-afk nods 23:05 < gene_> the microfactory 23:05 < gene_> miniature machining techniques? 23:06 < gene_> like a mill that could fit in a back pack? 23:06 < katsmeow-afk> i just built the head assy for a minilathe using http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=4486 23:07 < gene_> I want a smaller mill 23:07 < katsmeow-afk> someone else put the pics online at http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/kat/ 23:07 < gene_> I want to carry around a factory in my backpack 23:07 < fenn> that chuck sucks 23:08 < katsmeow-afk> the entire bearing assy is under 3 inches 23:08 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, i know that now 23:08 < katsmeow-afk> it's almost as bad as most of my drills, but a lil grinding should fix that 23:08 < fenn> i think it also needs to have a drawbar instead of that silly MT2 arbor 23:09 < katsmeow-afk> it will do one thing i need badly, that is turn bearing seats on the car axle stub i have for the 6 inch 4jaw chuck on the otyher lathe bed 23:09 < katsmeow-afk> i'llmake a wraparound "key' for it 23:10 < fenn> be advised that the threaded portion is some non-standard metric thread (finer than fine thread) 23:10 < fenn> coincidentally found on some bicycle crank arm pullers 23:11 < gene_> http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Jordan06.JPG 23:11 < gene_> maybe something like this 23:11 < katsmeow-afk> 12x1 23:11 < katsmeow-afk> holy cow, gene 23:12 < gene_> http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/SpielCin3.JPG 23:12 < gene_> I don't believe it's functional 23:12 < gene_> http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/minitoolmen.htm 23:14 < fenn> the blue/gray bridgeport is functional, the bridge mill is not 23:14 < fenn> supposedly it moves though 23:21 < gene_> http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/IqbalSherLathe.jpg this is functional 23:22 < gene_> I wonder if it can cut metal? 23:22 * fenn snorts 23:22 < gene_> or at least foam 23:22 < gene_> or plastic 23:22 < fenn> they can cut steel.. they just suck that's all 23:23 < gene_> on something that SMALL? 23:23 < fenn> you can get a better lathe for $600 23:24 < gene_> I want one that can fit in my backpack 23:24 < kanzure> foldable tensegrity 23:25 < gene_> I don't think that will work 23:25 < fenn> it'll work 23:26 < gene_> http://robotics.technion.ac.il/projects/patricia_project.html 23:26 < gene_> really? 23:26 < fenn> they seem to be missing a few actuators 23:26 < gene_> the things on the bottom move 23:27 < gene_> I guess tensegrity could work with ECM 23:27 < katsmeow-afk> the robots building more of themselves : http://rifraf.dyndns.org/robotics/unknown/arm_control.jpg 23:27 < gene_> but then I have to carry a resoiver too 23:28 < gene_> but water is widely available 23:28 < gene_> What the heck is that thing? 23:28 < katsmeow-afk> the robot arm operating th elathe? 23:29 < gene_> yeah but how? 23:29 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't ask 23:29 < katsmeow-afk> the site owner isn't onirc anymore, near as i can tell 23:29 < gene_> more info? 23:30 < katsmeow-afk> well, his nick was rifraf 23:30 < gene_> site? 23:30 < katsmeow-afk> idon't understand the question 23:31 < gene_> do you have a website with the description of that thing or more pictures of it 23:31 < katsmeow-afk> it's not mine, but you can shorten th eurl to get to the rest of the site 23:32 < katsmeow-afk> i believe he stopped work on the site and everything else ~2005 23:32 < fenn> foxy was designed with the sole goal of getting rifraf a beer while he was on the couch 23:32 < katsmeow-afk> yea, heh,, you knew rifraf from #robotics, fenn 23:33 < katsmeow-afk> rif was a lil unknowing of the problems of robots in human space when he started that 23:33 < katsmeow-afk> like, how to openthe fridge, not run things over, what was a beer, where is it, how to grasp it, etc etc etc 23:33 < fenn> pff "simple matter of programming" 23:34 < katsmeow-afk> and again, he didn't know 23:34 < katsmeow-afk> he did do some things well, and he did keep trying,, i think the biggest block in doing stuff was money, lack of it 23:35 < fenn> speaking of which, some guy is paying me wads of cash to hem and haw about his CNC project 23:35 < katsmeow-afk> that's nice of him 23:37 < gene_> that's a pretty nice linear actuator design 23:50 < kanzure> fenn: mind divulging how much those wads are? 23:52 < katsmeow-afk> and where are you prattling on about them? 23:52 < kanzure> san antonio 23:52 < katsmeow-afk> i meant online 23:53 < kanzure> I have made absolutely zero progress in understanding the occ api. 23:54 < kanzure> hm: http://www.laduga.ru/software/occsketcher/index.html 23:55 < gene_> kanzure do you know processing? 23:55 < kanzure> gene_: isn't that just java? 23:55 < gene_> I don't know 23:55 < kanzure> I know enough about it. 23:56 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:56 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:57 < katsmeow-afk> 15 sec rejoin, now that is willPow3r !