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00:18  * katsmeow-afk is looking for opinions: what does the prefix "epi" mean in here?
00:19 < willPow3r> top, outermost
00:19 < willPow3r> or before
00:20 < katsmeow-afk> as in epistemology or epidermis, and it is the real prefix (if any) in epistemology ?
00:20 < katsmeow-afk> not "root of branching structure" ?
00:20 < kanzure> sounds right to me
00:20 < kanzure> for epistemology, I mean.
00:21  * katsmeow-afk hmms over it a bit
00:22 < kanzure> hm, 60 MB results file for 2 seconds of a simulation
00:22 < kanzure> yeah, I'm going to need the visualization lab for this
00:22  * kanzure cackles
00:24 < gene_> really?
00:25 < gene_> or can your super box do it?
00:25 < kanzure> super box froze trying to do it
00:25 < kanzure> but it worked for a while, and I didn't actually see anything that looked like useful results
00:25 < gene_> reallly?
00:25 < kanzure> so I'm going to try running a reduced model just to make sure it's doing its thing
00:25 < kanzure> like a 20-point model or something :p
00:36 < kanzure> huh, but it runs on the laptop under ElmerPost
00:36 < kanzure> just no data was generated. hrm.
00:36 < kanzure> ok, will have to run the reduced model
00:36 < kanzure> is it ok if the spiral suddenly becomes approximated by a square? 
00:37 < gene_> is a spiral a square?
00:38 < gene_> if it is then yes
00:38 < kanzure> no?
00:38 < kanzure> hrm.
00:39 < gene_> is just the spiral channel being simulated?
00:40 < kanzure> do you know how this works?
00:40 < gene_> or are you simulating the block the spiral is in
00:40 < kanzure> well, the mesher includes the block, but the simulation doesn't bother with points in the model that nothing is happening at
00:40 < gene_> are you sure?
00:40 < kanzure> no
00:41 < kanzure> it certainly takes up memory, if that's what you're wondering
00:41 < kanzure> anyway, just generated the 130-coordinate version of the spiral (hah)
00:41 < gene_> then lets find a way to reduce it
00:41 < kanzure> this is it. no way to make this smaller.
00:41  * kanzure tries running it now
00:41  * kanzure runs ElmerSolver again
00:42 < kanzure> yep, much faster
00:42 < kanzure> amazing
00:42 < gene_> cool
00:43 < gene_> visuallize it
00:43 < kanzure> hrm, elmergui isn't showing it (which is the important part- it's through elmer that we can set the boundaries and initial conditions)
00:43 < kanzure> maybe I should run it through gmsh again just to be sure
00:46 < kanzure> segmentation fault. blah. I like how it doesn't say what's wrong.
00:47 < gene_> wait a minute
00:48 < gene_> you can simulate the fluid flow in pictures
00:48 < kanzure> ElmerFront still works though. just don't know how to select the right locations with a mouse.
00:48 < kanzure> yes
00:48 < kanzure> but I have the model working now
00:48 < gene_> I need to send you some pictures
00:48 < kanzure> I recompiled gmsh with OpenCASCADE support
00:48 < kanzure> so that it can open up the IGES/STEP files, and that's what I'm generating the mesh from
00:48 < kanzure> and once the mesh is generated, it's passed to ElmerGrid, and then from there I can open it up with ElmerFront (and theoretically ElmerGUI, but that doesn't seem to be the case)
00:49 < kanzure> yesterday I figured out how to select "inlets" (boundaries) with ElmerFront in some obscure menu, but when I checked back today, it no longer exists there
00:50 < gene_> sent
00:53 < kanzure> aha, found it
00:53 < kanzure> bitches.
00:57 < kanzure> gene_: this is what I mean by boundaries: http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2009-03-30_boundaries.png
00:57 < gene_> is that an outlet?
00:57 < kanzure> yes
00:58 < gene_> ummmm...
00:58 < kanzure> sshh, I was just randomly clicking
00:58 < gene_> I don't like the way that you are still simulating much of the block
00:58 < gene_> oh and how do i boot into ubuntu?
00:58 < kanzure> did you install it?
00:58 < gene_> yeah
00:58 < kanzure> have you rebooted since then?
00:59 < gene_> yeah
00:59 < kanzure> were you looking at the screen the entire time?
00:59 < gene_> no
00:59 < kanzure> well there's your problem :)
00:59 < gene_> I'm going to restart
00:59 < kanzure> it's an option menu when you're booting up
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01:10 < kanzure> can't use empty string as operand of "!" why not? the problemed line is "if { ![Boundary::readDiscretationData] }"
01:10 < kanzure> what's so wrong about asking about !"" ?
01:10 < kanzure> that should evaluate to true
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01:12 < gene_> ok kanzure
01:12 < gene_> I get a command line
01:12 < gene_> initramfs or something
01:13 < gene_> how do I get to the cool GUI?
01:17 < fenn> you broke it!
01:21 < kanzure> did you try pressing ALT+F7 ?
01:21 < gene_> no
01:21 < gene_> what does that do?
01:21 < kanzure> initramfs is usually where it is doing the mount process
01:21 < kanzure> did you wait?
01:21 < kanzure> ALT+F7 switches to tty7 which is usually reserved for "cool GUI stuff"
01:21 < gene_> it said loading
01:21 < kanzure> so obviously you had to turn it off
01:22 < ybit> just wondering, what's with the windows styling? is it a win machine?
01:22 < gene_> there was a flashing command line 
01:22 < gene_> it is
01:22 < kanzure> ybit: what's with the what?
01:22 < gene_> a win machine
01:22 < ybit> from your linked image above
01:22 < kanzure> KDE
01:22 < ybit> ah, good man
01:23 < kanzure> heh, clicking "cancel" on the boundaries window (which was producing that error) and then checking back on the same menu shows that its error wasn't actually an error and it was just complaining to be an attention whore.
01:23 < kanzure> oh wells.
01:26 < gene_> ok so try alt+f7 then
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01:26 < kanzure> am I going to have to "teach him linux"?
01:36  * kanzure qmake&makes elmergui
01:39 < fenn> looks like it
01:39 < fenn> it's ctrl-alt-f7 btw
01:40 < kanzure> only when you're in an x session
01:40 < kanzure> in which case you're already there
01:41 < kanzure> elmergui failed "with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs 3.3.8b)"
01:42 < kanzure> you've got to be kidding me. Qt Designer? sigh
01:42 < kanzure> well, at least I can apt-get install qt3-designer
01:43 < kanzure> apt-get remove qt4-designer worked, but then it still complains that I have 4.0.
01:44 < kanzure> maybe I'll make clean.
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01:44 < gene_> ok I got to the login screen
01:45 < gene_> but I forgot the username I gave it when I installed it
01:45 < gene_> I fail it
01:47 < fenn> i'm disappointed in you gene_ 
01:47 < ybit> :P
01:47 < ybit> you are trying though
01:48 < gene_> I guess I'll just brute force it with all possible passwords I could have typed
01:48 < fenn> ubuntu is probably the easiest thing to install ever
01:48 < ybit> hehe
01:48 < gene_> yeah
01:48 < gene_> it was easy to install
01:48 < kanzure> it should still have the user name in wubi
01:49 < gene_> where is wubi?
01:49 < kanzure> didn't you use wubi?
01:49 < gene_> yes
01:49 < kanzure> I'm confused.
01:50 < gene_> I used wubi
01:50 < gene_> what sort of file should I look for?
01:50 < kanzure> then go use it again
01:50 < kanzure> just don't install ubuntu
01:51 < kanzure> it will still have the username written down in one of the fields
01:51 < gene_> ok
01:51 < fenn> oh i thought he already installed ubuntu
01:51 < kanzure> I think he did
01:51 < kanzure> he forgot the username
01:51 < kanzure> it's specified in the wubi gui wizard thing
01:51 < kanzure> I remember this because I had a corrupt ubuntu install (I know, gay) on a recent windows box
01:52 < gene_> wubi wants to uninstall ubuntu
01:52 < gene_> I installed ubuntu
01:52 < kanzure> hrm.
01:52 < kanzure> well, don't do that
01:52 < kanzure> just remember the username and password?
01:53 < gene_> wubildr perhaps?
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01:58 < ybit> http://leoville.com/2009/03/16/21978/?disqus_reply=7620758#comment-7620758
01:58 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw
01:59 < ybit> and for archivng purposes: http://www.wilbourhall.org/
02:01 < ybit> it was actually a bit tricky finding those works
02:01 < ybit> google books recommends books from amazon which gbooks only has limited previews of
02:02 < ybit> so far, i've yet to find an english translation, and for me attempting to read latin is like reading spanish in that the gist is understood, but the details are missing
02:03 < ybit> </tweet>
02:04 < kanzure>  why would uic drop the "-i" option in version 4.4 whereas it had it in 3.38?
02:04 < kanzure> blah
02:05 < kanzure> ah, they switched it to "-impl"
02:20 < ybit> what are the microfluidics tests for exactly?
02:23 < ybit> no particular purpose?
02:30 < kanzure> preparing to run a giant microfluidics simulation
02:30 < kanzure> also, I've finally learned how to use gdb
02:30 < ybit> :)
02:31 < kanzure> gah, unfortunately the stack only shows qt events instead of the real reason for the sigsev
02:31 < ybit> okay, so what are you looking for in this simulation?
02:31 < kanzure> delta density
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02:39 < gene_> I got ubuntu working
02:39 < gene_> now I just have to get ubuntu working with the internet
02:39 < kanzure> there's a tutorial on utexas.edu
02:39 < gene_> yeah I know
02:39 < gene_> I will do that later
02:40 < gene_> it's 2:41 am
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02:41 < kanzure> oh, so it is.
02:44 < kanzure> hm, compiling elmerfront seems to have helped. elmergui still crashes, but at least elmerfront is working, and even now accepts multiple boundaries.
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02:52 < ybit> for some reason, i had it in my mind that you guys were in a seperate time zone, silly me
02:54 < kanzure> he lives a block away :P
02:54 < kanzure> so yes, a different timezone by 0.0001 nautical degrees
02:54 < kanzure> which are different from normal degrees because you say it with a pirate voice
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03:02 < gene_> oh and guess what?
03:02 < gene_> you know the first in car navigation system used a fluidic gyroscope
03:03 < gene_> one with no moving parts
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03:40 < ybit> heh, i was referring to you austizens and myself
03:43 < fenn> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/attachments/1003_Building%20a%20Hacker%20Space.pdf
03:46 < fenn> i love the mini bathtub + tux bathmat
05:00 < fenn> "let's do the EPROM" (apron) http://elm-chan.org/gfx/ec10.jpeg
05:00 < fenn> i guess the pun isn't funny if you dont read katakana
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07:13 < kanzure> life's less fun when you wake up and see "1:12" on the alarm clock and think you've traveled backwards in time only to find out that it was a '7' being obstructed :(
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08:26 < kanzure> what gender is the name 'Makoto' and why isn't saying 'eir' acceptable anymore?
08:26 < kanzure> there should be a way to respectfully say "I don't know what gender this name is"
08:26 < kanzure> you'd think that a country that is experiencing globalization or something would have something like that in its language
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09:55 < kanzure> http://www.newresilient.com/2009/03/24/keep-calm-carry-on-econopocalypse/
09:57 < kanzure> meh, nevermind
09:57 < kanzure> avoid
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18:30 < kanzure> lesson learned: never ever call apt-get -t unstable r-base
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19:29 < kanzure> Hello anthonyl.
19:30 < anthonyl> howdy
19:31 < anthonyl> how's it goin?
19:32 < kanzure> Going good. Compiling R. Plotting a 1000x1000 matrix. Life is good.
19:34 < anthonyl> :-p i've never got around to playing around with R much other then peeking at the docs a few months ago
19:34 < anthonyl> you enjoying it?
20:02 < kanzure> not yet, so far it's broken my debian installation
20:03 < kanzure> anybody know how to do conditional expressions in OO.o Calc? I want to color the cells with a background color based off of their values so that the minimum value in the dataset is more towards one end of the color spectrum.
20:07 < anthonyl> found this on google, http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-3642930.php  it seems close to what you want
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20:07 < fenn> hello anthonyl|nap 
20:07 < fenn> enjoy your nap
20:08 < fenn> kanzure: you've never heard of permaculture?
20:09 < fenn> there was a lot of that in bloomington
20:09 < fenn> or failed attempts at it, at least
20:11 < fenn> how do they make sure the nucleotide goes through the cyclodextrin?
20:13 < fenn> hell why not just run the whole strand through the pore and measure current as the nt's go by
20:24 < kanzure> that's what the other groups do with nanopore sequencing
20:26 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_sequencing has some updated notes, I also edited the wikipedia article on the topic and did a bit of a dump
20:26 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanopore_sequencing
20:28 < kanzure> gnuplot doesn't do too well with a million data points in 3D space
20:28 < kanzure> feels like something my GPU should be doing
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21:11  * kanzure sighs in relief. /var/backup/dpkg.status.0 saves the day once again.
21:15 < fenn> what's that?
21:20 < kanzure> it's a backup of /var/apt/dpkg/status
21:21 < kanzure> so that when people do stupid things with dpkg (like interrupt a partial update of dpkg) they can at least partially fix things
21:21 < kanzure> as they inevitably will do. those stupid things. er.
21:23 < fenn> uff.. it includes all the descriptions and stuff, not just the name and version
21:25 < kanzure> yes, I've been wondering how it processes so quickly
21:25 < kanzure> then I remembered that it doesn't.
21:25 < kanzure> (thus the lag when "reading package database")
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10:20 < myelinzar> Hey RandIter.
10:20 < RandIter> hello
10:24 < RandIter> what are some of the routine and useful medical tests that one can do at home by oneself on a regular basis? i only want to know about those that don't cost too much.
10:25 < RandIter> i guess some very basic ones are weight, pulse rate, urine ph
10:26 < RandIter> if someone had a good microscope, maybe they could do more
10:26 < RandIter> especially with urine
10:27 < RandIter> or saliva
10:39 < RandIter> blood sugar too, for some
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13:20 < kanzure> http://uat2.iomer.com/PinkArmy/index.html
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19:23 < fenn> myelinzar sounds like a pokemon which reduces enemies' muscle control to random spasmodic twitching
19:24 < xp_prg2> I just had the coolest idea
19:24 < xp_prg2> what if we used a 3d printer to create an electric car?
19:24 < fenn> oh crap my ignore settings are gone on this client
19:25 < ybit> haha
19:28 < fenn> it's not funny :(
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20:23 < kanzure> is there an opengl extension to gnuplot? getting it to render a million points is a big pain
20:26 < xp_prg2> kanzue use scientific visualization libaries/tools
20:26 < xp_prg2> they are more designed for such puposes
20:27 < xp_prg2> http://www.vtk.org/
20:27 < xp_prg2> http://mayavi.sourceforge.net/ wow this uses python!
20:29 < kanzure> I tried paraview, mayavi and mayavi2, which implement vtk, but none of them could import the format I have (gnuplot-standardized)
20:29 < kanzure> and I don't feel like writing a vtk app
20:29 < kanzure> it's ok, I'll just wait until friday- getting ssh access to 30+ HD LCD monitors
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21:14 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/ third image- I work with that guy :)
21:20 < gene> huh?
21:21 < gene> hahahhahahaha
21:21 < gene> you're actually gonna do it?
21:21 < gene> crysis on the supercomputer's gonna be epic
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21:31 < kanzure> gene: satalab has itself a server now
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21:51 < kanzure> gah, sshd is turned off by default?
21:52  * kanzure goes down to the lab to fix
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22:03 < katsmeow-afk> i hope kanzure survives
22:04 < fenn> it's probably some kind of "cryptographic export restriction" crap
22:04 < fenn> at least i can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be included by default
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22:57 < katsmeow-afk> not that i know of
22:58 < fenn> ah, apparently as of 2008 you can watch unlimited streaming movies if you are a netflix subscriber
22:58 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, but the company began in the 1990's
22:59 < fenn> it's only 12000 movies though on "watch instantly"
22:59 < fenn> vs 100,000 in their collection
23:13 < fenn> i think richard schulte is just trolling OM
23:13 < fenn> "hard work is good for you! you should enjoy digging in the dirt subsistence farming, and automation will never be able to do it <insert bunk statistics here>"
23:20 < kanzure> I don't know if people are serious when they argue against automation
23:21 < kanzure> how about them there cells in their body
23:21 < kanzure> let's just get rid of that whole autonomic nervous system, fuck it to hell.