--- Day changed Sat May 30 2009 00:42 -!- fenn_ [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:58 < ybit> fenn, i never saw the comparison.yaml, do you still have it lying around? 01:00 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:21 < nsh> anyone from mainland US still awake? 02:22 < nsh> looking particularly at you, kanzure 02:32 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:55 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:59 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:02 -!- elias` [n=me@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:38 < fenn_> ybit: comparison.yaml got split into 3 files, here: http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=tree;f=inventory/comparison 05:39 -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn 05:40 < fenn> of course that server may not be up in the coming week 06:13 < ultraleibniz> oh look the KDE fairy visited me last night 11:22 < ultraleibniz> cell.com runs IBM_HTTP_SERVER .. hrm. 11:26 < ultraleibniz> http://ozgene.com/ <- order genetically engineered mice here 11:46 < ultraleibniz> Synthetic gene networks that count http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Synthetic%20gene%20networks%20that%20count%20-%20George%20Church%20-%202009.pdf 11:46 < ultraleibniz> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/It's%20the%20DNA%20that%20counts%20-%20Smolke%20-%202009.pdf It's the DNA that counts 11:46 < ultraleibniz> A humanized version of FOXP2 affects cortico-basal ganglia circuits in mice http://heybryan.org/books/papers/A%20humanized%20version%20of%20FOXP2%20affects%20cortico-basal%20ganglia%20circuits%20in%20mice.pdf 11:46 < ultraleibniz> Transgenic primate offspring http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Transgenic%20primate%20offspring.pdf 11:46 < ultraleibniz> Marmoset model takes centre stage http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Marmoset%20model%20takes%20centre%20stage.pdf 11:47 < ultraleibniz> Generation of transgenic non-human primates with germline transmission http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Generation%20of%20transgenic%20non-human%20primates%20with%20germline%20transmission%20-%20Sasaki%20-%202009.pdf 12:02 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:03 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:01 -!- jm [n=j@p57B9FAA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@146-115-127-170.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:20 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:41 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:02 < ultraleibniz> the disk is completely wiped 14:03 < ultraleibniz> even though I had another disk with all of the data, that one is gone as well 14:30 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:49 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:11 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:32 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:44 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:44 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:44 < ultraleibniz> hm, this isn't working 16:44 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:44 -!- You're now known as kanzure 16:44 < kanzure> aha 16:49 -!- kanzure_ [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:51 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@146-115-127-170.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 17:18 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:19 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@98.234.52.78] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- jm [n=j@p57B9FAA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:02 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE7449.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:07 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Microbiology_journals 18:15 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE6E4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:22 < fenn> what disk is wiped? 18:52 < kanzure> wubi installs a disk but as a file under NTFS on windows 18:52 < kanzure> so if you're stupid enough to boot into Windows and shutdown improperly, you have this non-zero chance of losing the file beyond the ability of the fsck equivalent 18:53 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@98.234.52.78] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:04 < fenn> are you talking about the tablet computer? 19:33 < kanzure> no, the (working) laptop 19:34 < kanzure> so essentially I've lost my zotero collection but other than that everything was backed up 19:34 < kanzure> except my edits to adesign, but they don't matter much anyway 19:38 < fenn> my condolences 19:38 < fenn> i suppose the answer is to not use wubi 19:39 < kanzure> that, and another "back up more often or else" lesson 19:39 < fenn> that only goes so far 19:39 < kanzure> I still haven't given you Nature yet 19:39 < fenn> my 'git everything' and clone between all your computers seems to be working fine so far 19:39 < kanzure> I noticed. 19:40 < fenn> of course i only have two computers 19:40 < fenn> doesnt work so well for huge data though because git will duplicate everything in the archive itself 19:41 < fenn> so i guess something like rsync is for that 19:41 < fenn> also i figured out why i was having problems with kde.. turns out you have to do 'apt-file update' to get relevant current results 19:42 < fenn> so i was missing the package that contained the file i wanted 19:42 < kanzure> to search for files within the kde packages? 19:42 < fenn> within any package 19:42 < fenn> for example i was looking for 'systemsettings' which is the new kde control panel; it's in package 'systemsettings' big surprise 19:42 < fenn> but apt-file didnt see it because it's a new package 19:43 < fenn> btw did you know apt-get had tab completion for package names? 19:45 < fenn> i think i should sleep over there tonight (or try to) so you can kick my ass in the morning and drag me to the bus stop 19:45 < fenn> oh wait is it one of those 31 day months 19:45 < fenn> nevermind 19:46 < kanzure> today is saturday 19:46 < fenn> well tomorrow won't be any different 19:46 < kanzure> I was going to invite you over to watch anime for a few hours this morning 19:46 < kanzure> or at least "stuff I didn't select that happens to be on television" 19:47 < kanzure> I don't mind you hanging around, although I do have to figure out my dinner tonight 19:47 < kanzure> this is more complicated than catching a Raiku 19:51 -!- jm [n=j@p57B9FAA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:54 < kanzure> *this coming morning (1 to 5) 19:54 < fenn> understood 19:54 < fenn> these industrial monitors kinda suck 19:55 < kanzure> ? 19:56 < fenn> eh. my lcd for the tubputer died beyond my ability to resuscitate it again, so now i'm using a panel from some industrial dumpster in cleveland 19:56 < kanzure> I have a 15 inch CRT in the closet that my mom would love for me to magically get rid of 19:57 < kanzure> I was using it to monitor HTTP requests to the server previously 19:57 * kanzure wanders 19:57 < fenn> fare thee well 21:36 < kanzure> huh I just got a job doing pcr primer design 21:36 < kanzure> I wonder why 21:43 < fenn> how did that work? 21:43 < fenn> and isnt that completely automated now anyway? 21:45 -!- kanzure- [n=chatzill@cpe-72-177-123-170.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:46 < fenn> leon neihouse is such an idiot.. i can't believe he's serious 21:46 < kanzure-> someone from infochimps.org named "flip" emailed me looking for people interested in doing contract work with 150 GB+ sized data sets 21:46 < kanzure-> also something about bayesian filtering engines is involved 21:46 < fenn> "my grand new plan to store all US nuclear waste on barges floating IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN" 21:46 < kanzure-> he's apparently a local 21:46 < fenn> bayesian filtering has something to do with pcr primer design? 21:47 < kanzure-> no, this is from the guy named "flip" 21:47 < kanzure-> "someone from infochimps.org named 'flip' emailed me .." 21:47 < kanzure-> the pcr primer design stuff is one of joseph's gigs re: the money he has spent aquiring the TAMU $10 thermocycler patent bullshit 21:48 < kanzure-> http://twitter.com/mrflip 21:49 < fenn> i must admit i'm surprised there's a patent on a $10 thermocycler 21:50 < kanzure-> so guido wants to do some open source software community stuff with the thermocycler project 21:50 < kanzure-> his plan was revealed at biobarcamp 2008, blah blah blah 21:50 < kanzure-> cheap primer design and shipping of the thermocyclers to people in third world countries (or anybody else for that matter) 21:50 < fenn> that's wonderful~~ 21:51 < kanzure-> what? 21:51 < fenn> well. um. is there anything more than just buzzword stew? 21:51 < kanzure-> money 21:52 < fenn> ok what am i missing here? primer design is automated. $25 pcr is easily made from local materials 21:52 < fenn> there's really no profit in it, so why would non-profits be putting money into it? 21:52 < kanzure-> his non-profit isn't. 21:53 < fenn> isn't what? 21:53 < kanzure-> isn't putting money into it 21:53 < fenn> then where's the money coming from? 21:53 < kanzure-> I think he's loaded or something 21:53 < fenn> ok let me rephrase that 21:54 < fenn> why would someone donate money to build and distribute cheap pcr machines? 21:55 < fenn> btw i hate these names "$25 thermocycler, $10 thermocycler" 21:55 < kanzure-> not sure I remember the evil scheme that he has here 21:55 < kanzure-> he might not have one since I don't remember one 21:55 < fenn> oh i guess i should have flown out to biobarcamp to bask in his godliness 21:56 < fenn> do you have any links or anything? 21:57 < kanzure-> so I think I need to start keeping better track of all of these jobs that I'm supposedly doing or something 21:57 < fenn> i assume it's related to this somehow http://freedomofscience.org/?page_id=22 21:57 < fenn> but that's about ELISA 21:57 < kanzure-> nothing is popping up from my inbox 21:58 < fenn> i remember that email from diybio: noalaignorancia 21:59 < kanzure-> huh? 21:59 < fenn> http://www.blogger.com/profile/14389092699525848673 22:00 < kanzure-> "in the de development of .." 22:00 < kanzure-> I wonder from what language you have to come from in order to make an error like "the de" 22:00 < fenn> spanish? 22:00 < kanzure-> "a la" ? 22:00 < kanzure-> although that's french 22:00 < fenn> typos arent entirely rational 22:01 < kanzure-> at least my typos have a reasonable IQ 22:07 * fenn briefly considers starting a new mailing list named 'oh-pun duh-velopment' which would function as a buzzword sink 22:07 < kanzure-> how would you attract buzzers? 22:07 < fenn> by advertising our latest buzzwords of course 22:08 < kanzure-> free open source hierarchical bayesian ajax network systems 22:08 < fenn> using the latest in social semantic desktop software 22:08 < kanzure-> and commons-friendly totalitarian ethics engines 22:09 < fenn> meshwork.. yeah 22:09 * fenn bows to your superior buzzliness 22:10 < fenn> i wonder about these "people" who are following 300+ twitters 22:10 < fenn> is there some sort of twitter priority filtering bayesian ajax network system? 22:13 < fenn> mr. flip is following rauchwerk 22:13 < kanzure-> hm. 22:13 < fenn> whatever that means 22:14 < kanzure-> rauchwerk isn't exactly publicizing himself much 22:20 < fenn> i think infochimps' data hoard has grown beyond its puny web interface's ability to handle 22:20 < fenn> 'page 1 of 8483 showing data fields' 22:21 < fenn> ah well at least they recognize the problem and claim to be working on solutions 22:26 < kanzure-> flip describing his project: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIuqJ1QZpvI 22:26 < kanzure-> http://test.infochimps.org/ 22:27 < kanzure-> http://www.capitalfactory.com/2009/04/2009-finalists.html 22:27 < kanzure-> neat, he wants to buy me and "your two smartest friends lunch" 22:27 < kanzure-> now I just need two smarts friend, geeze 22:27 < kanzure-> *friends 22:28 < fenn> Join us at Mangia pizza on Guadalupe (3016 Guadalupe #100: free wifi, beer & great pizza) Thursday July 10th at 6:30pm and meet your fellow Austin data nerds. 22:29 < kanzure-> Austin Obsessive Hoarding Club 22:33 < fenn> heheh chalkboard graphs 22:33 < fenn> i like the editing style 22:34 < kanzure-> I think all of these "jobs" I'm taking on is going to end up in a massive pay war 22:34 < kanzure-> who will pay the highest for me? 22:36 < fenn> *cough subcontract cough* 22:36 < fenn> my rates are reasonably 22:36 < fenn> reasonably something 22:37 < kanzure-> is that the way to do it? 22:41 < fenn> it depends what they are after 23:07 < kanzure-> fenn: feel free to show up with food or something 23:09 < fenn> i have a block of cheese 23:09 < kanzure-> no thanks 23:10 < fenn> cherries? 23:10 < kanzure-> negatory 23:10 < fenn> umm.. cilantro? 23:10 < kanzure-> do you have any actual food 23:10 < fenn> i guess not 23:11 < fenn> what's actual food? 23:11 < fenn> is that like actual hardware? 23:11 < kanzure-> yeah, except more buzzles 23:11 < kanzure-> and buziness 23:12 < fenn> no i only have ingredients 23:12 < kanzure-> bah you're not thinking holistically 23:12 < fenn> perhaps i should hire a TRIZ consultant 23:12 < kanzure-> wonder if Max More counts 23:12 < kanzure-> since he's always going on about TRIZ 23:13 < fenn> i could never see the substance in triz 23:13 < fenn> er, besides bullshit i mean 23:13 < fenn> it's broken russian word salad 23:13 < fenn> actual salad! 23:19 * fenn perks @ infinite monkeywrench 23:19 < kanzure-> the book store? 23:20 < fenn> http://github.com/infochimps/imw/blob/276ed1254c04db7e65b4455a2f3994dec5793b02/README 23:21 < fenn> though perhaps 'meat grinder' is a more appropriate metaphor 23:27 < drazak_> back from prom 23:27 < kanzure-> you know you've done something wrong if you get back from a prom and go to IRC instead of to bed with your woman thingy 23:27 < drazak_> she and I were just friends 23:29 < fenn> that's what you think 23:29 < fenn> weren't you the one berating us about not having girlfriends? 23:30 < drazak_> yes :P 23:30 < kanzure-> interesting how that works 23:30 < drazak_> lost story short I had a girlfriend and then lost her to just being friends, again 23:31 < fenn> sounds like a scam 23:31 < kanzure-> yep 23:31 * kanzure- watches bleach 23:31 < fenn> oh oh bad anime time 23:31 * fenn brings the cheese! 23:32 < kanzure-> bad anime is better than no anime .. or something? 23:32 * drazak_ used to like rurouni kenshin 23:32 < drazak_> but only subbed, most dubbed versions stank