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08:12 < kanzure> http://www.kwwidgets.org/Wiki/VTK/Writing_VTK_files_using_python
08:12 < kanzure> http://www.vtk.org/pdf/file-formats.pdf
08:13 < kanzure> http://code.enthought.com/projects/mayavi/docs/development/html/mayavi/data.html#vtk-data-structures
08:14 < kanzure> http://www.shocksolution.com/microfluidics-and-biotechnology/python-vtk-paraview/
08:14 < kanzure> oh. the dot pvd file keeps a series of VTK files to be read into paraview simultaneously?
08:14 < kanzure> aha. so that's why I haven't been able to figure out how to do the time dimension in these silly formats.
08:16 < kanzure> so I guess I can just spit out a collection of vtk files for each time step
08:16 < kanzure> that doesn't sound very optimal
08:16 < kanzure> or elegant, rather
08:21 < kanzure> http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~slombey/asci/vtk/
08:21 < kanzure> " PVD file format: This consists of an XML based meta-file pointing to regular VTK data files. The readers have methods for selecting datasets based on a list of attributes (for example, time) specified in the meta-file. It is also possible to suppport things like multi-block and AMR datasets in this format."
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08:47 < kanzure> http://vtkblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/point-and-line-plotter-in-vtk-simple.html
09:12 < kanzure> it's hard to do development with a slow connection. hrm.
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09:45 < kanzure> this is ridiculous. it shouldn't be this hard to figure out how to plot points into a vtk file for time-series data.
09:45 < kanzure> blah.
09:45 < kanzure> the examples given for vtk don't even include something like this
09:45 < kanzure> it would be easier for me to just use imagemagick
09:46 < kanzure> although there's no guarantees about how quick the image generation would be
09:47 < kanzure> pyepix - a wrapper for mathematical plotting in python? huh?
09:47 < kanzure> http://onertipaday.blogspot.com/2009/03/multiple-plot-in-single-image-using.html
09:49 < kanzure> maybe even just gnuplot since I'm not doing anything fancy .. hah.
09:49 < kanzure> although it would only be for single frames
09:49 < kanzure> I guess I could use mencoder or something to assemble frames into videos and act like that's neat or something
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13:08 < genehacker> so I just did some calculations on this: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0704/0704.3466.pdf
13:09 < genehacker> apparently the thickness of the cover is 0.5 micrometers
13:09 < genehacker> that doesn't make any sense
13:10 < genehacker> that's thinner than cheap garbage bags I use for solar balloons
13:12 < genehacker> oh that's just the seperation between the electron gas and the conductor
13:13 < genehacker> now where do I get polyethelyene 0.5 micrometers thin?
13:14 < genehacker> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
13:14 < genehacker> that's insane
13:15 < genehacker> a 120 km high tower only requires about 18 moles of electrons
13:16 < genehacker> hmmm...
13:18 < genehacker> a 20 micrometer thin insulator coated with metal only requires 2 kv to charge
13:18 < genehacker> I have a 15 kv source
13:30 < genehacker> I could build some of these electronic gas balloons
13:30 < genehacker> now if I could only find some true metallized mylar
13:32 < cis-action> http://hackteria.org/index.php/Main_Page
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15:15 < kanzure> cis-action: I find it hard to believe that only because microscopy is put on a web page you are suddenly interested in it .. when I posted about it a few months ago, you kind of just shrugged it off
15:16 < cis-action> ok
15:16 < cis-action> what was I supposed to do a few months ago?
15:16 < kanzure> I should have said wiki page :)
15:16 < kanzure> well, you're the self-nominated leader so you're supposed to iknow or something I guess
15:16 < kanzure> if I had to know, I would have already done it, or something
15:17 < kanzure> please excuse my lag.. I'm on a very slow connection :)
15:17 < cis-action> so... what's you point?
15:18 < kanzure> that it's odd that you're suddenly excited about hackteria but not about what people on the mailing list have been putting together?
15:18 < kanzure> it's weird, that's all.
15:18 < cis-action> your*
15:18 < cis-action> "people" on the mailing list or "bryan bishop"
15:18 < kanzure> am I not a person?
15:18 < kanzure> I mean, I think I'm included when I say "epople"
15:19 < kanzure> but it's possible that I'm not I guess?
15:19 < kanzure> 8*people
15:19 < kanzure> gah
15:19 < kanzure> lag and typos are not good combinations
15:19 < cis-action> that's always been the running joke.
15:19 < cis-action> so basically, your criticizing me for not getting excited about one of the thousands of things you sent to the list.
15:19 < kanzure> ok.
15:19 < kanzure> sort of :)(
15:19 < cis-action> great
15:19 < cis-action> thanks, bryan.  I normally enjoy talking to you, but that doesn't seem very nice.
15:20 < kanzure> but neither did what you did ..
15:20 < kanzure> how is this not weird?
15:20 < cis-action> what did I do?
15:20 < cis-action> wtf?
15:21 < kanzure> ignored it
15:21 < kanzure> but now you ignore something that is more or less equivalent? but for some reason since it's not from me you're not ignoring it?
15:21 < kanzure> *don't ignore
15:22 < cis-action> Actually, it's because to me, it seems like there is a team of committed undergraduates building low-cost hardware for an iGEM project.
15:23 < kanzure> I'm going to refrain from typing for a while until I'm back on a faqster connection. this isn't really working out for me, the whole typing thingy :)
15:23 < kanzure> why do you need a team of commited undergrads, I thought the whole point was to get people to DIY
15:26 < cis-action> Apparently, they organized or collaborated with a workshop in Berlin.  From Bangalore.  And it seems as if they are the tip of a separate community of people interested in diybio-topics, at least based on the groups they list on their wiki.
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18:16 < kanzure> blah
18:16 < kanzure> aha, there it goes
18:17 < kanzure> lag: 69
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18:29 < genehacker> woohoo internet works
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21:19 < kanzure> hm
21:19 < kanzure> I wonder if I can get health care coverage for killer nanorobots
21:20 < genehacker> I'd recommend getting health care coverage for smallpox
21:20 < genehacker> I bet you can
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