--- Day changed Mon Jun 15 2009 00:06 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- genehacker__ [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-133-32.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:16 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:36 -!- elias` [n=c@host86-159-170-69.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:08 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE4B3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:13 -!- elias` [n=c@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:18 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE4B3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:21 -!- elias` [n=c@host86-159-170-69.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:12 -!- any76091787 [n=someone@75-120-42-139.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:21 -!- elias` [n=c@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:30 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-28-186.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:58 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]"] 07:51 -!- any76091787 is now known as katsmeow-afk 07:53 < kanzure> nice to see david cary posting to om 08:05 -!- kanzure changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: " ... and so was born the Second Law of the Civilized Worlds, which was that Man could not stare too long at the faces of the Computer or her children, and still remain as Man." 08:08 -!- kanzure changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: I am program, programmer, and that which is programmed. 08:09 < katsmeow-afk> who wrote that first one? 08:09 < katsmeow-afk> medicinedrum.tribe.net ? 08:10 < katsmeow-afk> Damien Broderick - 2001 - Literary Criticism - 466 pages ? 08:11 < kanzure> David Zindell 08:11 * katsmeow-afk hasto go salvage parts from two IBM 370 data storage cabinets,, 12inch+ harddrives, 240v powersupplies, 500lbs 08:11 < kanzure> (is the author of both) 08:11 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: good luck. 08:11 < kanzure> bring me back a souveniour. 08:11 < katsmeow-afk> thanks 08:11 < kanzure> preferably not the 500 lb gorilla though 08:11 < katsmeow-afk> prolly useless, but i can retask parts 08:12 < katsmeow-afk> the pwr supply capacitors in these things are each larger than 10 modern 2.5 harddrives taped together 08:13 < katsmeow-afk> there's 2 24inch fanfold printers too, scrapped 08:40 < kanzure> todo: fix find-all-cutsets.py unit test errors 08:40 < kanzure> add in a few more unit tests from the papers (er, for given successful cutsets I mean) 08:41 < kanzure> then throw in some code for the extract-state-quations.py script 08:41 < kanzure> *equations 08:41 * kanzure waddles off 09:10 -!- elias` [n=c@host86-159-170-69.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:29 < ybit> "Inkjet Printing of Viable Mammalian Cells" http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.biomaterials.2004.04.011 09:33 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/gprkwz 10:05 < ybit> anyone have access to "Three dimensional MEMS microfluidic perfusion system for thick brain slice cultures." :: http://www.springerlink.com/content/v822077208022653/ 10:57 -!- Traveler25 [n=fn-javac@216.36.137.228] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:57 < Traveler25> http://transhumanistforums.com/hplusroadmapchat/ 10:58 < Traveler25> now you have a URL to send people to, with a java applet that lets them connect directly to this chatroom 11:00 < Traveler25> (or did you already have a java chat applet at another URL?) 11:03 < Utopiah> you can add http://mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23hplusroadmap if you want too, works well 11:05 -!- Traveler80 [n=fn-javac@216.36.137.228] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- Traveler80 [n=fn-javac@216.36.137.228] has quit [Client Quit] 11:07 < Traveler25> thanks 11:25 < Traveler25> bye 11:25 -!- Traveler25 [n=fn-javac@216.36.137.228] has quit ["Java user signed off"] 11:25 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@98.234.52.78] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 11:59 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- Traveler47 [n=fn-javac@216.36.137.228] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- Traveler47 is now known as PeerInfinity 13:31 -!- anthonyl [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:41 -!- elias` [n=c@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:55 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/newin7/content/IntegratedGenomicAndProteinData/ 14:55 < katsmeow-afk> you can search for Search in wolfram 15:20 < xp_prg> hell ya kats! 15:24 -!- elias` [n=c@host86-159-170-69.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- PeerInfinity [n=fn-javac@216.36.137.228] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:15 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE7CEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE4B3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:32 < kanzure> rawr 17:34 < fenn> THUNDARR 17:34 < fenn> (the barbarian) 17:38 < kanzure> 804 bytes/sec. all 804 of them! 17:39 < kanzure> this message took 18 seconds to transmit 17:42 < kanzure> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Inkjet%20printing%20of%20viable%20mammalian%20cells.pdf 17:43 < kanzure> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/%20Three%20dimensional%20MEMS%20microfluidic%20perfusion%20system%20for%20thick%20brain%20slice%20cultures.pdf 17:44 < kanzure> "weird places microfluidics.tar.gz shows up on kanzure's filesystems" 17:45 < kanzure> place #1: /home/bryan/lab/functionCAD/microfluidics_2009-06-01.zip 17:46 < kanzure> er, did you remove it from /home/bryan/lab/functionCAD/ already? 17:52 < kanzure> so here's a line of output from find-all-cutsets.py 17:52 < kanzure> function cutset: graph is 17:52 < kanzure> the first part of the pygraph.graph object is a list of the nodes in the graph 17:53 < kanzure> the second part is a list of pairs where each pair specifies an edge 17:53 < kanzure> here's the following line of output from the program: 17:53 < kanzure> removing: fromNode = 4 toNode = 6 17:53 < kanzure> er I guess it's important to mention that the order of the nodes in those arc tuples is (from, to). 17:53 < kanzure> er 17:54 < kanzure> right, so 17:54 < kanzure> it first removes (6,4) 17:54 < kanzure> then the graph looks like this: 17:54 < kanzure> function cutset: graph is 17:54 < kanzure> then it tries to remove (4,6) for some reason 17:54 < kanzure> I'm not quite sure why. obviously pygraph is smart enough (with del_edge()) to delete both backwardly and forwardly 18:01 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:02 < kanzure> :set number 18:03 < kanzure> pstree 18:11 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:20 < kanzure> addiction: http://sata.serveftp.org/~bryan/vim.txt 18:34 < kanzure> "split" is a nifty tool. don't know how well it operates with --bytes=2147483648 though 18:40 * ybit just got back from a long day at work, thanks for the fetching one of the MEMS paper kanzure 18:40 < kanzure> wait, what about the other one? 18:41 < ybit> i already had access to it :P 18:41 * ybit had posted the link 18:41 < kanzure> bah. 18:42 < ybit> thanks for it too, happy? ;) 18:42 < ybit> tornado siren is going off 18:42 < kanzure> we don't get our own tornado sirens :( 18:42 < ybit> too bad it's only 100 yards away from my house 18:43 < ybit> i could die tonight, just to let you all know this 18:43 < ybit> because i'm not taking shelter 18:43 < kanzure> if you give me your coords, the x-jet can be there in 3 minutes 18:43 * ybit wants to eat and read the MEMS paper 18:43 < ybit> haha 19:01 < xp_prg> anyone have any video of this inkjet printing of cells? 19:08 < ybit> sorry william, can't find one, didn't really search too hard, but you might try emailing the lead researcher and if he sends some multimedia your way, share it with us :) 19:08 < ybit> i've yet to read it index.ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/10/28058/01254003.pdf 19:08 < ybit> "Characterization of Implantable Microfabricated Fluid Delivery Devices" 19:10 < xp_prg> I saw it! 19:10 < xp_prg> its at the bottom! 19:11 < xp_prg> oh man do I want to do that!!! 19:11 < xp_prg> that just made my whole day 19:14 < ybit> the bottom of? 19:15 < ybit> congrats, we both had our whole day made (i wasn't blown away) 19:18 < ybit> a few interesting papers listed :: http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mnphys/publications/index.html 19:19 < kanzure> neurotransmitter receptor and field-effect transistor interface 19:19 < kanzure> hah 19:19 < xp_prg> you weren't blown away, why? 19:19 < kanzure> that's sufficiently awesome 19:19 < kanzure> xp_prg: because the tornado didn't hit me. 19:19 < kanzure> what's so hard to understand 19:19 < kanzure> *hit him 19:19 < xp_prg> kanzure what is this neurotransimitter thing what? 19:19 < kanzure> what are you asking? 19:20 < xp_prg> neurotransmitter receptor and field-effect transistor interface 19:21 < kanzure> what about it? 19:21 < xp_prg> tell me more about it please, how does that work? 19:21 < kanzure> well how about you read the paper? 19:21 < ybit> read the paper :P 19:21 < kanzure> http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mnphys/publications/09peifro/index.html 19:21 < kanzure> what the fuck is wrong with you 19:21 < kanzure> gah 19:22 < xp_prg> kanzure do you understand how the inkjet printer works with cells? 19:22 < kanzure> which inkjet printer? 19:23 < kanzure> ybit: none of those titles of the abstracts or paper thingies are showing up on google scholar, even the one that was published in 2007 19:23 < kanzure> are we sure those papers are published? 19:23 < xp_prg> http://singularityhub.com/2009/06/08/growing-organs-in-the-lab/ 19:23 < kanzure> oh, I haven't read that yet 19:23 < kanzure> how about you read the paper? 19:23 < xp_prg> you posted it 19:23 < kanzure> okay? 19:23 < kanzure> you don't even read my emails 19:24 < kanzure> you asked me "what's this email about" 19:24 < xp_prg> yes I do! 19:24 < kanzure> before even reading it today 19:24 < kanzure> uh? 19:24 < kanzure> I got an email today from some guy named tim asking "what is this about" re: the electronics workbench inventory 19:24 < xp_prg> oh man, you taking the excitement out of this 19:24 < kanzure> it was all over diybio 19:24 < kanzure> well maybe you should just read the emails first :) 19:24 < kanzure> just saying. it kind of helps. 19:24 < kanzure> it also makes things more exciting to read. 19:24 < xp_prg> ya but electronics workbench to do what? 19:24 < ybit> heh 19:25 < kanzure> what the fuck man 19:25 < kanzure> ybit: do you understand me? 19:25 < xp_prg> you mentioned getting an electronics workbench, but you didn't explain what it was for 19:25 < kanzure> why not just read wikipedia 19:25 < ybit> kanzure: yup, plenty of info on teh interwebs 19:26 < kanzure> ybit: so I think we can agree that I shouldn't have to explain this to xp_prg 19:26 < kanzure> it doesn't seem particularly hard to understand, or to google or anything 19:26 < kanzure> rtfm and stfu 19:26 < xp_prg> kanzure you mentioned getting electronics equipment but you never mentioned what you wanted to use it for *sigh* 19:26 < kanzure> so what? 19:26 < kanzure> what does that have to do with reading the email 19:26 < kanzure> all that I said is that you didn't read it 19:26 < xp_prg> I did read it 19:26 < kanzure> you just said "what is electronics for" or something 19:27 < xp_prg> too hard I give up 19:27 < kanzure> ok so don't bug me if you're going to give up 19:27 < kanzure> go away 19:28 < kanzure> Field-Effect Transistor with Recombinant Potassium Channels: Fast and Slow Response by Electrical and Chemical Interactions 19:29 < kanzure> huh Google Scholar is now "Google scholar" for some reason 19:29 < kanzure> (in the logo) 19:33 < kanzure> that wasn't as cool as I thought it would be 19:34 < kanzure> I thought it would have been a transistor binding to some binding domain on an ion channel protein thingy 19:35 < kanzure> "Imaging neuronal seal resistance on silicon chip using fluorescent voltage-sensitive dye " 19:35 < kanzure> (voltage sensitive dyes are pretty neat in general) 19:35 < kanzure> "Enzyme Induced Staining of Biomembranes with Voltage-Sensitive Fluorescent Dyes " 20:17 < kanzure> http://192.168.1.108/svn-co-cmd.sh 20:39 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/python-graph/downloads/list?can=4&q=&colspec=Filename+Summary+Uploaded+Size+DownloadCount 20:52 < fenn> scrood graph theory 20:54 < kanzure> scrood? 21:01 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:03 < kanzure> ok, now to make up unit tests that intentionally fail, or something 21:04 < fenn> unit tests, then ship it, then "bug fixes" to enable the actual features 21:04 < kanzure> do we get to charge for the actual features before shipping? 21:05 < kanzure> todo: run autoscholar science pdf paper reader thingy on giant television (instead of dumb tv) 21:10 < kanzure> gah there's such a thing as a "cycle cutset" 21:10 < kanzure> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cutset-2.svg 21:10 < kanzure> guess that'll be a test 21:11 < kanzure> dah? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cutset-4.svg 21:11 < kanzure> it's a "decomposition method" apparently 21:12 < kanzure> how do I find where it is used? "What links here" doesn't have anything really 21:12 < kanzure> but does that mean that no page includes it as an image? 21:12 < kanzure> or just about linking? 21:15 < fenn> uh oh 21:15 < fenn> Since you haven't been a student in recent years, it is taking extra time to get your appointment through the system. I'm hoping that everything will be straightened out by the next go-round. 21:15 < kanzure> uh? 21:17 < kanzure> can you forward that to me? 21:18 < kanzure> aha. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition_method_(constraint_satisfaction)?uselang=en thanks #wikipedia 21:18 < kanzure> although I'm not happy it leads to an article about constraint satisfaction problems 21:19 -!- any77719909 [n=someone@75-120-28-159.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-42-139.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:22 -!- any77719909 is now known as katsmeow 21:52 -!- katsmeow [n=someone@75-120-28-159.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:09 < DrTread> Is the graph theory gone? Is it safe to come back in teh interwebz nao? 22:15 < kanzure> no 22:15 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLIW 22:24 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE7CEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:25 < DrTread> ok, i'll stay clear 22:26 < DrTread> lessee... if we have 256 bit instruction word, we could pretty well take up the known universe with the hash table 22:27 < DrTread> but we could compute anything with only a few dozen clock cycles 22:42 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:50 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE7CEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:05 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-length_encoding 23:29 -!- digitaltao [n=digitalt@cpe-72-179-5-147.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:30 < kanzure> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2705.html 23:30 < kanzure> hi digitaltao 23:30 < digitaltao> hello there 23:31 < kanzure> you seem to be in my geographical area, would you like to take over the city with me tomorrow? 23:31 < kanzure> we launch at dawn. 23:32 < digitaltao> sounds, epic. 23:32 < digitaltao> nefarious plans are indeed abound. 23:34 < digitaltao> who will hack the gibson o_O? 23:34 < kanzure> the guy with the beard 23:34 < kanzure> (the unix hacker) 23:35 < digitaltao> you have a beard! 23:35 < digitaltao> i elect you. 23:35 < kanzure> woah, hold on that 23:35 < kanzure> er 23:36 < digitaltao> -holding....... 23:41 < DrTread> kanzure he's right. you DO have a beard. #iranelection has shown you the way. 23:41 < DrTread> now start taking over. 23:46 < digitaltao> lulz 23:47 < digitaltao> anyone in here familiar with the ybox?