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00:10 < ybit> s/cathode ray/electron gun from a crt
00:11 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scheme_TEM_en.svg
00:19 < fenn> there's a lot more to it than just the electron gun
00:19 < fenn> the TV choke coil is probably shaped all wrong for use in an SEM
00:19 < fenn> it's part of the flyback converter (HV power supply) so you'd need to make a new coil, and once you've done that you might as well just make everything from scratch
00:20 < ybit> http://itsyourexperiment08.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/diy-microscope-macgyver-does-leeuwenhoek/
00:21 < fenn> interesting how the black and white scan is preserved in the history of the SVG file
00:24 < ybit> http://parkerlab.bio.uci.edu/microscopy_construction/build_your_own_twophoton_microscope.htm
00:26 < ybit> time for sleep
01:15 < fenn> damn chocolate
01:16 < fenn> i'd be asleep now if it werent for you!
01:43 < bkero> wootoff
02:49 < fenn> wow 'dot' really sucks at drawing hierarchies
07:24 < kanzure> ok. archived the twophoton microscope page, and the parkerlab documents.
07:24 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/parkerlab-UCI/
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07:37 < kanzure> apt-get install hwb
08:17 < kanzure> http://reprapsource.com/
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10:44 < kanzure> todo: wget http://www.iop.org.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/EJ/article/0960-1317/19/1/015007/jmm9_1_015007.pdf -o "A low temperature surface modification assisted method for bonding plastic substrates
10:44 < kanzure> "
10:44 < kanzure> er..
10:46 < kanzure> ok, it's on adl.serveftp.org now
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11:40 < kanzure> bad programming joke of the day: http://imgur.com/nb9LO.jpg
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12:07 < kanzure> genehacker: know of a differential equation that relates a gradient to an area, or something?
12:07 < genehacker> no why?
12:07 < kanzure> testing out skdb
12:07 < genehacker> how?
12:08 < kanzure> the submodule that deals with units in equations
12:08 < genehacker> oh cool
12:08 < genehacker> what are you trying to get it to do?
12:09 < kanzure> integrate with respect to a unit
12:09 < kanzure> (and other things)
12:09 < genehacker> can't some programs already do that?
12:09 < kanzure> like what?
12:12 < genehacker> wolfram alpha, my calculator
12:12 < kanzure> neither are open source
12:12 < kanzure> I'm using sympy, the symbolic python library for equations
12:12 < kanzure> http://sympy.org/
12:12 < kanzure> going to be submitting a patch to them soon I guess
12:13 < kanzure> sympy.physics.units is somewhat of a joke :( 
12:13 < kanzure> a bad joke, that is
12:13 < genehacker> http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0703013
12:13 < genehacker> hey you don't think you could figure out how the toroidal form levitator in this paper works
12:13 < genehacker> if it works
12:14 < kanzure> not right now, I'm busy acting like I'm busy
12:14 < genehacker> ok
12:18 < genehacker> if the calculations are correct, it's possible to make a device for flying around in the air 
12:18 < genehacker> and all it takes is some sort of superconducting toroid
12:18 < kanzure> like an airplane
12:18 < genehacker> like superman
12:19 < genehacker> though he doesn't explain how the simpler form of the device works
12:21 < genehacker> from the looks of it, it should only be capable of going east-west
12:22 < genehacker> but he says that it can go north south and east west
12:34 < ybit> this has become old, but can someone please upload a log of the channel for the past two days? i try to maintain a decent log file
12:36 < kanzure> um. actually, no. I have had connection problems.
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12:39 < ybit> fenn told me the connection was 'fubared' yesterday, so i understand. but maybe fenn, genehacker, or any idlers could?
12:39 < genehacker> ummmmm.... I don't have internet where I live
12:39 < ybit> bkero, katsmeow-afk, and nsh are always in here
12:39 < kanzure> ybit: fenn is on the same connection.
12:40 < bkero> I'm always here. 8)
12:40 < ybit> a little help then? :)
12:40 < bkero> ybit: I'll upload my log for the channel for the last long while
12:41 < ybit> ty
12:41 < bkero> ybit: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/#hplusroadmap.gz
12:44 < genehacker> hmmm.... flexible superconducting tape
12:45 < kanzure> I think you meant .log.gz, bkero
12:50 < ybit> bkero: i was looking for logs from the past few days, i.e. this past weekend and yesterday :P
12:51 < bkero> kanzure: You're right
12:51 < bkero> ybit: Sorry, it's either you that has to tail -2000 it, or me
12:55 < ybit> i'll do it
12:58 < ybit> just need the log of last three days to do so though
12:58 < kanzure> import sympy.physics.units as units
12:58 < kanzure> import sympy
12:59 < kanzure> type(units.m + units.m) == <class 'sympy.core.mul.Mul'>
12:59 < kanzure> wtf?
12:59 < ybit> #sympy ??
12:59 < kanzure> yeah but I still get to complain to you
12:59 < ybit> :P
12:59 < fenn> here's what i was working on last night.. it could probably use some graphviz tweaking: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/taxonomy-neato.png
13:00 < fenn> taxonomy of manufacturing processes
13:00 < kanzure> so.. hierarchies?
13:01 < ybit> fenn: do you have this in a svg? a lot easier to grep
13:01 < fenn> better than that
13:02 < genehacker> wow
13:02 < genehacker> what about robotcasting?
13:04 < genehacker> err robocasting
13:04 < fenn> perhaps kanzure would like to get gitweb working so i dont have to do silly git commands on the server
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13:13 < fenn> ybit: sorry i'm so slow http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/taxonomy-graph.py http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/taxonomy.yaml
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13:22 < genehacker> hmmm...
13:31 < ybit> i'm converting it to a svg
13:31 < ybit> might take a day or two
13:33 < ybit> oh nm
13:33 < ybit> .yaml is just fine
13:37 < fenn> dot does .svg output btw
13:40 < fenn> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/taxonomy-neato.svg
13:47 < ybit> that's helpful
13:51 < genehacker> could you spread it out so you can read everything?
13:51 < fenn> i was trying to make something more like a cladogram though
13:54 < genehacker> I think I've seen one of these before
13:54 < kanzure> I have found it odd how almost every modern mother has a box of band-aids in the medicine cabinet, but I still don't have a dusty DNA synthesizer in my attic.
13:55 < ybit> bkero: is it inconvenient for you to post a log of the last two days?
13:57 < genehacker> well think about it kanzure
13:57 < fenn> like this http://www.palaeos.com/Invertebrates/Molluscs/Bivalvia/cladogram.html or http://www.gavinrymill.com/dinosaurs/Cladogram/CladogramComplete.jpg
13:57 < genehacker> why would you want a DNA synthesizer?
13:57 < genehacker> you can just buy synthesized DNA from companies
13:57 < genehacker> there's no need
13:57 < genehacker> or that's what the companies that sell synthesized DNA say
13:58 < kanzure> so what if that's what they say?
13:58 < kanzure> "why would you need a brain when you can just buy one"
13:58 < kanzure> "why would you need a brain when you can just buy thinktime from Google?"
13:59 < genehacker> yeah
13:59 < fenn> i wish i could buy thinktime from google
13:59 < fenn> but the bastards give it away for free!
13:59 < genehacker> synthetic DNA chemicals are fairly hard to come by
14:00 < kanzure> what is this analysis based off of, genehacker?
14:00 < kanzure> have you figured out how to synthesize GNA yet?
14:00 < genehacker> no
14:00 < genehacker> hmmm...
14:00 < genehacker> maybe not
14:01 < kanzure> fenn: if you bought thinktime from google, then you would have to use that thinktime in order to get some return on investment otherwise you'll run out of thinktimes on google
14:01 < genehacker> I might have found a website that sells cheap( ~$25) photolabile? phosphoramidite 
14:01 < genehacker> s
14:02 < genehacker> the thing about synthesizing GNA is that we have to make photolabile GNA phosphoramidites
14:04 < bkero> ybit: It would be just as inconvenient for me as it is you
14:04 < genehacker> I don't think anyone's done that yet
14:04 < kanzure> why not make the photolabile phosphoramidites?
14:04 < ybit> bkero: why is that?
14:05 < ybit> i don't have the log file
14:05 < fenn> didnt he just post the link?
14:05 < ybit> yeah, but it ends on friday
14:05 < ybit> i was looking for one of the past 2 days
14:05 < genehacker> why?
14:06 < genehacker> I don't know how
14:06 < bkero> ybit: What would you do to cut it down to 2 days?
14:06 < ybit> you could tail or manually copy and paste to a pastebin
14:07 < ybit> or copy/paste to a .txt file on the server
14:07 < bkero> Any reason you couldn't do that?  I'm actually in class
14:07 < ybit> because i don't have the log file
14:07 < fenn> seems the log ends on may 15
14:07 < fenn> the one bkero linked to
14:07 < ybit> right
14:08 < bkero> Damn irc logging, guess I don't have it then
14:08 < ybit> bkero: alright, and i don't need to bother you right now anyway
14:08 < ybit> fenn, you were on for most of the time i was...
14:09 < genehacker> but GNA synthesis is pretty simple
14:09 < fenn> fine fine
14:09 < ybit> :)
14:09 < fenn> it's not like you missed anything
14:09 < genehacker> it's only 3 steps
14:10 < kanzure> genehacker: ammonia kinase
14:11 < genehacker> ???
14:11 < genehacker> what's that?
14:11 < fenn> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/last-two-days.log
14:11 < genehacker> interesting
14:12 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia_kinase
14:12 < ybit> ty fenn 
14:12 < kanzure> "Thus, the two substrates of this enzyme are ATP and NH3, whereas its two products are ADP and phosphoramide."
14:12 < genehacker> ok now how do we make photolabile phosphoramidites from that?
14:14 < ybit> fenn: what irc client do you use? that would be great to have a client or plugin which presents the conversation from all rooms like that
14:14 < fenn> irssi
14:15 < fenn> i actually wasnt trying to do that, i just messed up the logging settings somehow
14:15 < bkero> ybit: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/hplus.log.gz
14:24 < ybit> thanks bkero, was retrieved 
14:29 < kanzure> phosphoramidate = H2NO3P-2
14:29 < kanzure> phosphoramide   = H6N3OP
14:31 < kanzure> genehacker: this is a basic chemistry problem, btw. aminos and estrifications are quite common. 
14:31 < kanzure> for instance,
14:31 < kanzure> an ester of H3PO3 would be formed by condensation of an alcohol and an acid, plus subsequent elimination of water
14:31 < genehacker> oh cool
14:31 < genehacker> guess I need to learn ochem
14:31 < genehacker> got any books on it?
14:31 < kanzure> stacks of them
14:31 < kanzure> that ester (er, the phosphite) is useful in making phosphoramidite
14:32 < kanzure> which isn't the same thing as making a phosphoramide
14:32 < genehacker> virtual books
14:32 < kanzure> yes
14:33 < genehacker> link
14:33 < kanzure> server is currently inaccessible to pesky outsiders, sorry
14:34 < kanzure> maybe I'll copy some files to a thumb drive for you and get them on the lab server by tomorrow
14:34 < fenn> you should get rauchwerk to toss you some fluffy clouds
14:34 < kanzure> he's too busy trying to find actual data
15:05 < kanzure> pentaerythritol synthesis setup: http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/orgsyn/prepContent.asp?prep=CV1P0425
15:07 < kanzure> http://asmeurersympy.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/how-to-permanently-lose-data-with-git-and-then-retrieve-it-again/
15:07 < kanzure> (colored prompt?)
15:10 < kanzure> genehacker: I am less interested in how to synthesize phosphoramidites as I am interested in figuring out how in the hell you plan to do protecting groups
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15:42 < kanzure> NPPOC chloride sounds like the easiest to make.
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16:31 < fenn> ok the latest rendering looks a lot better: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/taxonomy-small.png
16:32 < kanzure> 1 g of NPPOC-dC(ib) Amidite from Sigma-Aldrich: $480
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16:32 < fenn> and here's one for you ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/taxonomy.svg
16:32 < fenn> but the coloring's different since it's random
16:33 < fenn> i suppose i could hash the node name and use that as the random seed or something
16:33 < kanzure> or just save the seed
16:34 < kanzure> (er, that you used in the first place)
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16:44 < kanzure> genehacker: do you know how to synthesize photolabile protecting groups?
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18:04 < kanzure> wonder why genehacker got all uppity about having to make nucleobases
18:04 < kanzure> nucleotidases do it for you ..
18:04 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleotidase
18:06 < kanzure> er, besides the sorting problem
18:06 < kanzure> which I guess could be solved by gel electrophoresis and isolating different strands of DNA with mainly one of the four bases each
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19:01 < kanzure> ybit: did you take my keys?
20:07 < kanzure> blah = pq.Quantity([1],'J*s')
20:07 < kanzure> blah.simplified --> kg*m**2/s
20:08 < kanzure> [1] s*J
20:08 < kanzure> print q.dimensionality -> s*J
20:09 < kanzure> print q.simplified -> [ 1.] kg·m²/s
20:10 < kanzure> hm. 'J*s^2' is apparently the same as 'J*s**2'
20:24 < kanzure> inspect.getargspec() looks useful
20:25 < kanzure> but I'm not sure how much this is going to help to figure out which methods of a package compute various units, like Screw.breaking_force() for instance
20:31 < fenn> one way is to make a conversion table/tree with references to the functions
20:31 < fenn> the other way is to put some string(?) "look at me i convert torque to force" in the functions
20:31 < fenn> but breaking_force() isn't even a conversion really (is it?)
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20:49 < kanzure> genehacker: you do not add anything to protecting groups.
20:49 < kanzure> protecting groups exist so that when you shine light at them, they cleave and everything is unprotected
20:49 < kanzure> then the chemical reactions are able to proceed
20:49 < kanzure> thus, synthesis.
20:50 < genehacker> not even nitrogenous bases?
20:50 < kanzure> what?
20:50 < kanzure> what are you asking?
20:51 < genehacker> the photolabile phosphoramidites I read about have protecting groups that cleave off in the presence of light so the next nucleotide can be add
20:51 < genehacker> you expose where you want the A's to go
20:52 < genehacker> put down the A's and they stick
20:52 < kanzure> what does that have to do with nitrogenous bases
20:52 < kanzure> or, rather, what does that have to do with your question
20:52 < genehacker> we need NPPOC -deoxyadenosine and what not
20:53 < genehacker> how do we get the deoxyadenosine?
20:53 < kanzure> NPOCC-Cl means NPOCC chloride
20:53 < genehacker> yeah
20:53 < kanzure> not deoxyadenosine
20:53 < genehacker> I know
20:53 < kanzure> then why did you say NPOCC-deoxyadenosine
20:54 < kanzure> anyway, here are some notes
20:54 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/phosphoramidites/notes.txt
20:54 < genehacker> the next step is to make the stuff you remove the protecting group from during DNA synthesis
20:54 < kanzure> ok.
20:54 < genehacker> understand now?
20:54 < kanzure> no
20:57 < genehacker> you can't do dna synthesis with protecting groups alone correct?
20:57 < kanzure> that's correct
20:58 < kanzure> although someone did DNA synthesis on this four-branched dendrimer via condensation of acetaldehyde and formaldehyde 
20:58 < kanzure> but it was a branched oligonucleotide in the end, not a double helix or single strand
20:59 < genehacker> so how do we use these protecting groups?
21:00 < genehacker> in your notes it says they can be used for peptide synthesis?
21:00 < drazak_> genehacker: think of a protecting group like this, it's like the paper on doublesided tape, you have to take it off before they can stick together
21:00 < genehacker> yeah I know that
21:00 < kanzure> you add them to the byproducts of the nucleotidases
21:00 < genehacker> what's the paper and what's the tape?
21:00 < kanzure> what?
21:00 < kanzure> there is no paper
21:01 < kanzure> you use nucleotidases to convert your nucleotides to nucleosides
21:01 < kanzure> you add your protecting groups to the nucleosides
21:01 < genehacker> ok
21:01 < kanzure> you shine light at your nucleosides+protecting-groups to unprotect it
21:01 < kanzure> you separate your nucleotides by gel electrophoresis
21:02 < kanzure> (er, that step was out of order)
21:02 < kanzure> um, and that "-" in "nucleosides+protecting-groups" should be removed (except that it's harder to read)
21:02 < genehacker> that's it?
21:03 < genehacker> I thought they modified the nucleosides a bit more than just protecting groups
21:03 < kanzure> where?
21:04 < genehacker> removing the protecting group turns the nucleoside into a nucleotide?
21:05 < kanzure> a nucleoside is a nucleotide without a phosphate.
21:05 < genehacker> yeah I know
21:05 < kanzure> removing the protecting group means that the nucleoside is able to react with the strand that you are synthesizing
21:05 < genehacker> how?
21:06 < kanzure> the protecting group isn't there to .. er, protect it
21:07 < kanzure> there's also some other steps in between each cycle of addition of course
21:07 < kanzure> otherwise ddNTPs would just combine into long chains when in storage in their little bottles :p
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21:07 < kanzure> I think I killed him.
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21:14 < genehacker> ugh why am I still using firefox for browsing?
21:14 < genehacker> so here's the deal photolabile phosphoramidites don't have steps in between
21:15 < kanzure> according to who?
21:15 < genehacker> according to the people who did maskless array gene synthesis
21:16 < kanzure> that's not helpful because I don't know the name of those people off the top of my head
21:17 < kanzure> apparently I am now admining abundancestudies.org
21:17 < kanzure> bah, no ssh access
21:20 < genehacker> I don't know who
21:22 < genehacker> so how do we get NPPOC-d-adenosine [N6-tac] β-cyanoethylphosphoramidite
21:22 < genehacker> http://genome.cshlp.org/content/12/11/1749.full
21:22 < genehacker> here
21:24 < genehacker> so we can make NPPOC-Cl
21:24 < genehacker> how do we get from that to d-adenosine [N6-tac] β-cyanoethylphosphoramidite
21:27 < genehacker> so I see
21:27 < kanzure> already told you how to make it
21:27 < kanzure> in the email
21:27 < kanzure> also in the link to the notes
21:28 < genehacker> just add a protecting group to a nucleoside?
21:28 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/phosphoramidites/notes.txt
21:28 < ybit> what is abundancestudies.org?
21:28 < genehacker> well we need to try this out
21:28 < kanzure> no, NPPOC-Cl is a bit more complicated
21:28 < kanzure> ybit: it's joseph jackson's website
21:28 < kanzure> joseph is trying to make a Journal of Abundance
21:28 < ybit> about?
21:28 < ybit> oh
21:28 < kanzure> "Abundance"
21:29 < ybit> yeah, gl with that
21:29 < fenn> here is your git snack for the day:
21:29 < kanzure> sarcasm?
21:29 < fenn> git log --pretty=oneline --abbrev-commit
21:29 < ybit> kind of
21:29 < kanzure> now we need a catchy name for that
21:29 < fenn> alias gl='...
21:29 < kanzure> heh
21:30 < fenn> gl~~!!
21:30 < genehacker> what's the structure of NPPOC-Cl?
21:30 < ybit> sarcasm due to frustration of not recieving the workbench tonight
21:31 < kanzure> genehacker: I think you should read the notes.
21:31 < kanzure> NPPOC is basically 2-(2-Nitrophenyl) propoxycarbonyl
21:31 < fenn> sarcasm is just one more service i offer. chaos, panic, and disorder... my work here is done.
21:32 < ybit> and because "abundance" is highly general at this moment, not saying the journal won't have any substance, it's just hard to say much about something when there isn't a clear definition of what he's after
21:32 < genehacker> ok I think I get it now
21:32 < ybit> afk for a few
21:32 < genehacker> so we need to make some of it
21:32 < genehacker> why did you say it is hard?
21:32 < kanzure> who said that?
21:33 < genehacker> making NPPOC-Cl?
21:33 < kanzure> I don't think I did.
21:33 < kanzure> ybit: joseph actually has more thoughts about abundance than he actually bothers writing about. over the phone he's much more thorough. I heard him live on some blog-by-phone thingy.
21:34 < genehacker> no, NPPOC-Cl is a bit more complicated
21:34 < kanzure> what?
21:34 < kanzure> more complicated than what?
21:34 < genehacker> you said that
21:35 < kanzure> oh
21:35 < kanzure> more complicated than adding it to a nucleotide
21:35 < kanzure> yes, that's what I said.
21:35 < kanzure> there's a few apparati that you're going to have to build
21:35 < kanzure> like a distillation column
21:36 < genehacker> and I'm sure we need reagent grade stuff
21:36 < kanzure> fenn: are you just reading off of the coasters over there?
21:36 < kanzure> genehacker: not really
21:36 < kanzure> genehacker: the reaction yields are fairly high for the majority of these reactions
21:36 < genehacker> hmmmm
21:37 < genehacker> reagent grade means that what you have is very pure
21:37 < fenn> yield and purity are different things..
21:37 < fenn> who is 'newell' named after?
21:37 < genehacker> exactly fenn
21:37 < kanzure> he should still look over the method before giving up
21:38 < fenn> i agree high purity reagents are not necessary for starters
21:38 < genehacker> good point
21:40 < genehacker> so how do we 1. get adequate quantities of DNA to digest 2. seperate out different nucleosides
21:40 < kanzure> are you seriously asking #1 ?
21:41 < kanzure> #2 would be some sort of super gel
21:42 < genehacker> not so sure a gel would seperate out different nucleotides
21:42 < kanzure> "A procedure for the rapid estimation of sulfated nucleotides has been developed in this laboratory using polyacrylamide gel electrophoresis for separation ..."
21:43 < kanzure> this doesn't sound like a super big problem
21:43 < genehacker> oh we can do TLC 
21:43 < genehacker> and we can make our own TLC plates according to instructables
21:43 < genehacker> well
21:43 < genehacker> now this is starting to get interesting
21:43 < fenn> i'm really wary of any plan relying on 'according to instructables'
21:43 < kanzure> TCL?
21:43 < fenn> TLC is basically a glass microscope slide with a thin layer of alumina sintered on it
21:44 < fenn> it's like paper chromatography but more uniform and more inert
21:44 < genehacker> ok
21:44 < fenn> and not terribly useful for bulk quantities
21:44 < kanzure> "paper electrophoresis" huh
21:44 < fenn> also i'm not convinced you'd have enough separation between such similar molecules as the different bases
21:44 < genehacker> I don't think we need bulk quantities
21:45 < fenn> it's not electro- anything, the solvent moves along by capillary action
21:45 < genehacker> instructables has an article about making TLC plates from glass slides and silica gel packets
21:45 < fenn> genehacker: why are you considering making your own TLC plates?
21:46 < fenn> they also had an article about making a clean room by removing the carpet
21:46 < genehacker> why not?
21:46 < fenn> "if you're really serious"
21:46 < fenn> i think you do need bulk quantities
21:47 < kanzure> how much is bulk
21:47 < fenn> because you have to wash the plate off between every base synthesized
21:48 < genehacker> cool only one chemical is on the DEA's list II 
21:48 < fenn> genehacker: kanzure says you claim you dont have to wash off the plate, but how could that possibly work?
21:48 < genehacker> and that's the one we can make if we modify some bacteria to make it
21:48  * fenn regrets asking already
21:49 < genehacker> I don't know, I have to go change my router's mac address so I can hopefully use the internet at my place
21:49 < fenn> genehacker: you owe me a cookie
21:50 < genehacker> sure you can have one
21:51 < genehacker> hmmm... I also have to figure out the password for it if the previous owner changed it
21:53 < fenn> push the button
21:54 < genehacker> that's all?
21:58 < kanzure> push the reset button
21:59 < genehacker> ok
22:01 < kanzure> fenn: did you ever bother to look over the data in these files?
22:01 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/adesign/adesign-libraryEM.zip
22:01 < kanzure> (might be a tarbomb)
22:01 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/adesign/adesign-edited.zip
22:01 < kanzure> ^ that one is definitely not a tarbomb, although larger
22:02 < genehacker> kanzure I'd recommend posting that stuff to diybio
22:02 < kanzure> what stuff
22:02 < fenn> look over the data? you mean the 3 or 4 columns of unlabeled numbers? (with two or three entries each)
22:03 < kanzure> yes
22:03 < genehacker> the stuff about making protecting groups and nucleosides 
22:03 < fenn> yeah i looked at it
22:09 < fenn> irssi nickcolor.pl title.pl
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22:11 < fenn> in irssi-scripts
22:11 < fenn> move to .irssi/scripts/autorun/
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23:21 < ybit> kanzure: what extropy mailing list did the "world’s first brain prosthesis" come from?
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