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07:38 < kanzure> ybit: what do you mean "what extropy mailing list" ?
07:38 < kanzure> it's *the* extropy mailing list
10:12 < kanzure-> hello
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20:37 < kanzure> oh crud. autologging wasn't set to on here? wah.
20:37 < kanzure> "Kidney-Targeted Naked DNA Transfer by Retrograde Renal Vein Injection in Rats"
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20:41 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Kidney-targeted%20naked%20DNA%20transfer%20by%20retrograde%20renal%20vein%20injection%20in%20rats.pdf
20:42 -!- any32563009 is now known as katsmeow
20:48 < kanzure> Resistance to diet-induced obesity with synthetic glyoxylate shunt
20:48 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Resistance%20to%20diet-induced%20obesity%20in%20mice%20with%20synthetic%20glyoxylate%20shunt.pdf
20:48 < kanzure> (that's the "breathing out fat" article)
20:51 < fenn> http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Mice_20cream
20:59 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk
21:06 < kanzure> "Given that most ice cream is artificially flavored, you would actually only need a very small sample of mouse milk to generate a product. More to the point, why not just come up with some strange flavor (camomile and paprika, say), and market it as mice cream? Nesquik did very well using a rabbit to sell powdered flavoring for milk. Now, what mouse image could we use here...?"
21:06 < kanzure> haha, mickey mouse
21:21 < kanzure> fenn: is there a way to run unittest.main() without having it exit my python session?
21:28 < ybit> given that no country decides to offer a basic income, how could one live without money: boat or RV.
21:28 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr_class_LCAC
21:28 < ybit> one of the larger hovercrafts ^
21:29 < ybit> it's a tax-haven... on a boat
21:37 < ybit> re: haxors taking over my brain. not going to happen with an eeg
21:42 < QuantumG> Things you need to do with your DNI:
21:42 < QuantumG> 1. Invoke mental imagery, preferably without interfering with normal vision.
21:42 < QuantumG> 2. Infer mental imagery manipulation.. for example, when you hear the question "what letter do you get by turning a Z on its side?" results in a common specific quale of visual intelligence.
21:42 < QuantumG> 3. Test and improve the rate and bandwidth.
21:43 < QuantumG> With such an interface you can do human computer interaction in ways that are completely unavailable to current input devices.
21:44 < QuantumG> anything else is just re-inventing the same input devices we already have.. and, although that may be great for the disabled, doesn't strike me as particularly interesting.
21:47 < ybit> it does me
21:47  * ybit wants an eeg
21:48 < ybit> maybe it would help me figure out why on certain days i'm super happy like this afternoon
21:48 < ybit> because i would want to keep that feeling with taking drugs
21:48 < ybit> s/with/without
21:48 < QuantumG> :)
21:49 < QuantumG> putting a notepad and pen next to your work area and writing down how you're feeling about stuff would probably do more for that :)
21:50 < QuantumG> last time I did that I found I was most depressed on days where I used the words "waiting for" the most.
21:50 < ybit> nah, what am i going to write? 'i feel happy, i should be like this more often,' isn't going to help.
21:50 < QuantumG> you write like a micro-journal
21:50 < QuantumG> 10:12 getting coffee
21:51 < ybit> maybe it was all the sugar in my body, i did have grape juice, coca-cola, and some other sugars
21:51 < QuantumG> 11:45 feeling hungry
21:51 < ybit> oh, to figure out what might have caused it, i see. i have a memory
21:51 < QuantumG> it's actually quite hard to keep an accurate journal of all the shit you do in a day though
21:51 < ybit> yeah
21:52 < ybit> gots to hate the last bite of ice cream falling in the floor :P
21:52 < ybit> In the United States, another form of property tax is the personal property tax, which can target
21:52 < ybit> * automobiles, boats, aircraft and other vehicles
21:53 < ybit> it might be easier to get some type of basic income through then to avoid property tax
21:54 < ybit> through +legislation
21:54 < ybit> then again..
21:54 < ybit> http://www.panamacruise.com.pa/page-Yacht+Registration-21.html
21:55 < ybit> "The Republic of Panama is one of the best countries in the world for vessel registry since vessel owners have the advantage of Tax Breaks that Panamanian laws offer to vessel owners, yacht owners and boat owners. Furthermore, Panama´s taxation is only territorial and does not tax the income of vessels involved on international trade. There is no discrimination on citizenship, nationality or residence for anyone willing to register a vessel under the 
21:55  * ybit is doing a simple thought experiment, trying to figure out how possible it would be to live without working
21:56 < ybit> i've read a few essays from http://www.whywork.org before and they are what i've been thinking for quite some time
22:01 < ybit> the zubr can carry ~150 tons
22:02 < splicer> you need to work so you can pay for bailing out wall street and fighting evil
22:06 < ybit> the hovercraft would be the ultimate mobile fablab
22:06 < ybit> well, until i can afford a spacheship
22:07 < ybit> s/spaceship/starship
22:27 < ybit> still, a chemistry, bio, and fab lab would catch the attention of govs if they were to board
22:28 < ybit> 'smuggling drugs' would be a suspicion i'm sure
22:29 < ybit> living on a large hovercraft doesn't seem plausible 
22:30 < ybit> best bet may be to save money for 20 years while building a home/bio/chem/fablab and hydroponic garden, and then use the money saved to pay for property tax
22:31 < ybit> 10% of my income for 20 years should get me through at least 20 years of property tax 
22:31 < ybit> 10% of income + interest
22:34 < ybit> http://www.lendingclub.com/ wonder how risky that is, if possible, for how long might i recieve 9+% 
22:35 < ybit> the tlc549 chips came in today (for thermal cycler), had i planned properly, i wouldn't be waiting until the morning time to drill holes in the canister
22:42 < ybit> btw, ti gives free samples
22:42 < ybit> i had three free samples come in, each works just fine
22:43 < ybit> -2.50 from $25
22:43 < ybit> and they spent $8 on a metal canister o.O
22:43 < ybit> you can get one from a thrift store or yard sale for $1
22:47 < ybit> anyway, it's practically free to build this machine
22:48 < ybit> and it's great way to teach about pcr
22:49 < ybit> am i the only one who doesn't have a life? i thought this was irc, _the_ hangout for such people :)
22:52  * ybit gave up a night of drugs and women to read...
22:52 < ybit> when i start putting ebooks on my freerunner, i can do drugs, women, and read all in the same night. what bliss.
22:53 < ybit> but i'll probably just read :P
22:59 < fenn> aw wtf
22:59 < fenn> "today on How Its Made: carved wood sculptures, dinner forks, cow bells, and fountain pens"
22:59 < fenn> where's my robot porn!!!
22:59 < ybit> :P
23:00 < ybit> i like that show, even though they skip details
23:01 < fenn> i think the $10 pcr needs a ventilation fan
23:03 < ybit> why?
23:03 < fenn> otherwise it cools too slowly
23:12 < ybit> i figured that, i just don't know why that isn't desirable
23:17 < fenn> somehow it increases non-specific binding.. i admit i dont understand it either
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