--- Day changed Tue Jul 14 2009 00:01 < ybit> haha 00:02 < ybit> seems like something i would watch while under the influence 00:08 < ybit> bkero: i would love to visit the osu lab sometime 00:08 < ybit> if i'm out that way 00:08 < ybit> do they employ students? 00:08 < bkero> Aye 00:08 < bkero> I'm a student. :) 00:09 < ybit> do they emply non-students? 00:09 < bkero> We love to give tours. 00:09 < bkero> Those too 00:09 < bkero> My lab is considerably noisier and colder than most. 00:09 < ybit> hmm, if i had to work somewhere, something like that would fit me well 00:09 < ybit> but i would probably build it myself 00:10 < ybit> what's the costs of the lab? 00:10 < drazak> bkero: I use osuosl all the time 00:10 < ybit> drazak: via freenode? 00:10 < bkero> We get a little over a million dollars in donations every year 00:10 < drazak> naw 00:10 < drazak> I use debian.osuosl.org and gentoo.osuosl.org and similar all the time 00:10 < bkero> and it all goes into hosting open source projects and development owrk. 00:11 < ybit> ah 00:12 < ybit> drazak^ 00:12 < ybit> bkero: nice 00:12 < bkero> We host just about any open source project you can think of :) 00:12 < ybit> would you be willing to host freefab.org as well eventually, say about a year from now? :) 00:12 < bkero> You can put in a hosting request 00:13 < ybit> will do 00:13 < bkero> I can host whatever you want on my personal colocated server, as long as it's below a few gigs. 00:13 < drazak> bkero: do you know Inc on irc? 00:13 < drazak> part of the enlightenment project hosted on osuosl 00:13 < bkero> drazak: Yes, he hangs out in our channel, and I interact with him a lot. 00:14 < bkero> I haven't used E17 in about 3 years now. 00:14 < drazak> is he still a dick? 00:14 < bkero> Everyone at the enlightenment project is still a dick 00:14 < drazak> :D 00:14 < drazak> ^5 00:14 < bkero> There are bigger dicksout there though. 00:14 < drazak> yeah 00:14 < drazak> he's a pretty big one though 00:16 < bkero> Try ULrich Drepper 00:20 < bkero> http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 00:20 < bkero> I like how the (as opposed to this) has 4 links to bugzilla tickets where Ulrich Drepper is a complete asshole. 00:21 < drazak> :P 00:21 < drazak> there's someone else that's almost as much of an asshole 00:21 < drazak> but I can't remember his name 00:29 < bkero> Theo de Raalt 00:31 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:50 < QuantumG> Theo de Raadt :) 00:50 < QuantumG> I haven't heard him rant in a while though 01:02 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:23 < drazak> well, Theo is an ass 01:23 < drazak> but no, I was thinking of someone from bmp 01:31 -!- QuantumG [n=qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:32 -!- QuantumG [n=qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:06 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]"] 02:34 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:16 < fenn> heh "now hiring unix mail server admins to replace microsoft's internal email system" 04:27 < fenn> "According to the standards of the United States military, forty per cent of young women and twenty-five per cent of young men weigh too much to enlist." 04:28 < fenn> i thought the robots did all the work these days 04:40 < fenn> “Fat studies is a radical field, in the sense that it goes to the root of weight-related belief systems,” 04:57 < fenn> text input interfaces and their bandwidth: http://lumma.org/microwave/#2007.07.12.2 05:34 -!- spicer-afk is now known as Splicer 05:46 < fenn> http://lumma.org/microwave/#2004.01.30 06:00 < Smari> ybit, yes, tangiblebit.com is my thing. 06:39 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE2BCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:19 < kanzure> fenn: #2004.01.30 is brilliant. 07:22 < kanzure> http://refactory.org/ "code snippits wiki" 07:25 < kanzure> is peter voss worth meeting? 07:25 < kanzure> http://www.optimal.org/peter/peter.htm 07:25 < kanzure> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/people/Peter-Voss/ 07:33 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@84.190.59.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:35 < fenn> kanzure: http://dvice.com/archives/2009/07/time-lapse-fa-1.php 07:38 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE2BCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:55 < fenn> do you know peter voss already? 07:55 < fenn> i mean personally 07:56 < kanzure> natasha introduced peter to me 08:03 < Utopiah> kanzure: did you start heybryan.org in 2007? earlier? 08:14 -!- katy [n=katy@dhcp-128-83-195-124.biosci.utexas.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:14 < kanzure> Utopiah: 2005 or 2006. 08:17 < kanzure> Integration of microcolumns and microfluidic fractionators on multitasking centrifugal microfluidic platforms for the analysis of biomolecules 08:17 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Integration%20of%20microcolumns%20and%20microfluidic%20fractionators%20on%20multitasking%20centrifugal%20microfluidic%20platforms%20for%20the%20analysis%20of%20biomolecules.pdf 08:17 < Utopiah> thanks 08:17 < kanzure> microfluidic protein purification design: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/microfluidic-protein-purification-design.png 08:17 < kanzure> it's on a CD, so it fits in a standard CDROM drive 08:20 < kanzure> found it by: http://scholar.google.com.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/scholar?cites=13271680963287729946&hl=en which is a list of things that cite Miao's single-step affinity purification of toxic and non-toxic proteins paper. 08:21 < kanzure> Saphira - Just 4 You (Verano Remix) 09:15 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 10:54 -!- Splicer [n=patrik@h189n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:07 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:09 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_centrifugation 11:22 < Smari> samrose, y0! 11:22 < kanzure> the microfluidic protein purification device is pretty neat 11:22 < samrose> hey Smari 11:22 < samrose> hello kanzure 11:22 < kanzure> it's column chromatography but built on to a plastic device that can run on a CD drive 11:22 < kanzure> hello samrose 11:22 < kanzure> now that we've had our reunion.. 11:23 < kanzure> oh wait. hello Smari 11:23 < Smari> Hmm? 11:23 < Smari> ah 11:23 < Smari> yes 11:23 < samrose> microfluidic protein purification sounds cool 11:23 < Smari> completing the clique. 11:23 < samrose> especially if it runs on CD drive 11:23 < kanzure> yes 11:23 < kanzure> this paper seems to claim 4 microliter samples were purified 11:23 < kanzure> in particular, a variant of GFP 11:24 < kanzure> I think the rpm's needed were calculated based off of the mass of GFP or something 11:24 < kanzure> so that makes it a differential centrifugation fractionator or something 11:24 < Smari> I built a solar funnel this morning. My backing paper was too thick and it was hard to fold into a cone, but we still got the focal point up to 106°C, which is pretty good considering that this is Iceland and the funnel sucked. 11:24 < kanzure> for a cooker? 11:24 < Smari> Yes 11:25 < kanzure> did you want some egg omlets this morning? :) 11:25 < kanzure> hm: http://www.solarcooking.org/plans/funnel.htm 11:25 < Smari> If I get a better backing material I might try again, I'm fairly sure that getting it up to 250°C is possible given our 4.37 kWh/m²/day here. 11:25 < kanzure> samrose: my plan is to maybe purify taq 11:32 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:43 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE36C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:56 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@84.190.59.137] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:43 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:17 < kanzure> "Since 1988, the DoD has required that all digital Product Manufacturing Information (PMI) for weapons systems contracts (the engineering drawings, circuit diagrams, etc.) be delivered in electronic form, specifically in IGES format." 13:17 < kanzure> "An ANSI standard since 1980, IGES has generated warehouses full of magnetic tapes and CD-ROMs of digital PMI for the automotive, aerospace, and shipbuilding industries, as well as for weapons systems from Trident missile guidance systems to entire aircraft carriers. " 13:18 < kanzure> Where are these warehouses? 13:18 < kanzure> I'm totally prepared to go blackhat on this. 13:19 < kanzure> "One of the unique features of the IGES standard is that it was the first ANSI Standard to be documented using itself. Since Version 4.0, all of the technical illustrations for the printed version of the standard have been generated from IGES files." 13:19 < kanzure> dunno whether that's hot or disgusting 13:19 < kanzure> http://www.iges5x.org/wysiwyg/f214x.shtml 13:19 < kanzure> IGES Example File f214x 13:21 < kanzure> http://www.iges5x.org/ The IGES 5.x Preservation Society (IPS) HomePage 13:24 < kanzure> http://www.iges5x.org/wysiwyg/peek/f10620x.txt wtf? 13:31 < kanzure> "This source library provides a starting point for generations of IGES translator implementors who may encounter warehouses of accumulated legacy IGES files, and most of what they need to be able to look at them. " 13:31 < kanzure> http://www.wiz-worx.com/products/igesgump.htm 13:35 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-123-29.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:36 < kanzure> genehacker: apparently there are warehouses that are purely devoted to storing IGES files 13:37 < genehacker> huh? 13:37 < genehacker> what are IGES files again? 13:37 < kanzure> oh shit 13:37 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/heekspython/ 13:37 * kanzure falls in love 13:37 < kanzure> genehacker: IGES is a CAD format 13:37 < genehacker> just making sure 13:38 < genehacker> warehouses full of hard drives or paper? 13:38 < kanzure> hard drivs 13:38 < kanzure> *drives 13:39 < genehacker> and magnetic tapes 13:39 < genehacker> CD roms 13:39 < genehacker> An ANSI standard since 1980, IGES has generated warehouses[citation needed] full of magnetic tapes and CD-ROMs of digital PMI for the automotive, aerospace, and shipbuilding industries, as well as for weapons systems from Trident missile guidance systems to entire aircraft carriers. 13:39 < genehacker> automotive, aerospace, and shipbuilding.... 13:40 < genehacker> now if we could get some IGES files for an aircraft carrier, automated construction robots, and time 13:41 < genehacker> awesome 13:42 < genehacker> I love materials properties databases 13:42 < genehacker> kanzure name a material 13:44 < genehacker> they'll have it 14:04 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/heekscad-devel/browse_thread/thread/47d43c07c394440e 14:10 < fenn> i always thought this page was hilarious http://www.wiz-worx.com/products/wisl/wisl.htm --- Log closed Tue Jul 14 14:32:20 2009 --- Log opened Tue Jul 14 14:32:25 2009 14:32 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:32 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 14:32 -!- QuantumG [n=qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 37 secs 14:37 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:51 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-123-29.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:51 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-123-29.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:17 < ybit> http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/biosfty/bmbl5/BMBL_5th_Edition.pdf :: Biosafety in Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories (BMBL) 5th Edition 15:18 < kanzure> http://pythonocc.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_pythonOCC_on_Linux#Fixing_scons_so_that_it_doesn.27t_take_forever_due_to_SWIG 15:18 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/pythonOCC.linux.install.readme.txt 15:25 < ybit> http://www.sunshine-project.org/biodefense/blsmapside1.jpg :: High Containment Labs and Other Facilities of the US Biodefense program 15:26 < ybit> http://www.sunshine-project.org/biodefense/blsmapside2.jpg :: the key 15:28 < kanzure> ybit: did you read the diy protein purification device paper today yet? 15:30 < genehacker> no 15:30 < genehacker> where? 15:30 < kanzure> genehacker: Integration of microcolumns and microfluidic fractionators on 15:30 < kanzure> multitasking centrifugal microfluidic platforms for the analysis of 15:30 < kanzure> biomolecules 15:30 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Integration%20of%20microcolumns%20and%20microfluidic%20fractionators%20on%20multitasking%20centrifugal%20microfluidic%20platforms%20for%20the%20analysis%20of%20biomolecules.pdf 15:30 < kanzure> diagram: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/microfluidic-protein-purification-design.png 15:30 < kanzure> my notes: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Integration%20of%20microcolumns%20and%20microfluidic%20fractionators%20on%20multitasking%20centrifugal%20microfluidic%20platforms%20for%20the%20analysis%20of%20biomolecules.pdf.txt 15:31 < genehacker> ybit are we considering building Biosafety level 5 hot rooms? 15:31 < kanzure> it's differential centrifugation fractionation 15:31 < kanzure> with a burst valve thrown into the mix 15:33 < genehacker> dang can't read PDF files 15:33 < kanzure> why can't you read PDF files? 15:34 < kanzure> does a CDROM drive laser continuously shine? 15:40 < kanzure> (was just wondering if the laser could be used as a polymerizer) 15:41 < kanzure> anyway, since it's on a CD it can easily undergo fluorescence spectrometry with the CDROM drive's laser, but unfortunately this only works for materials that are the same color as the laser. which isn't really useful if you're looking for a wide range of possibilities. 15:46 < kanzure> does about 4 microliters of volume 15:51 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@c-71-192-208-195.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:54 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-123-29.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:59 < kanzure> er, sorry, 11 mL 15:59 < kanzure> er, microliters 16:00 < kanzure> someday I'll bother to figure out how to type greek characters 16:06 < kanzure> Gathania - Blame it on you (De-Grees remix) 16:10 -!- splicer [n=patrik@h189n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:05 < kanzure> when trying to get heekspython running, I get an error when I load in the .so file into HeeksCAD - something about wxString not being a defined symbol (or "undefined symbol"). but the library was linked together. 17:11 < ybit> kanzure: not yet 17:11 < ybit> and no to genehacker's question 17:18 < bkero> kanzure: be a man, latex! \theta 17:57 < Smari> http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html 18:02 < ybit> http://www.decodeme.com/conditions-covered :: where's the list of genetic mutations for these diseases? kanzure, you may know, you seem to have visited most of the databases 18:03 < ybit> s/diseases/conditions 18:05 -!- Smari [n=spm@nmi-gw.eyjar.is] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:10 < ybit> http://www.hapmap.org/downloads/index.html.en 18:23 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE36C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:29 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE36C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:36 < ybit> kanzure: i also forget where the pydjangitwiki is located, /git-wiki2? 18:47 -!- spm_ [n=spm@nmi-gw.eyjar.is] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:49 < kanzure> ybit: port 4567 on adl.serveftp.org is git-wiki, the ruby version 18:50 < kanzure> pydjangitwiki is located on github for hostiing at the moment, if that's what you're asking 18:50 < kanzure> *hosting 18:55 < spm_> ybit, I remember when decodeme was being planned.. I was interning at DeCode Genetics back then. Fun times. 18:55 < spm_> ybit, it was just before the green eyes / skin cancer connection was discovered. 18:56 < drazak> kanzure: juse us 11x10^6 L 19:01 < kanzure> hello spm 19:08 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:08 < genehacker> mind resending that protein purification stuff? 19:08 -!- spm_ is now known as Smari 19:10 < genehacker> firefox sorta died on me 19:11 < genehacker> my PDF reader software crashes my browser 19:26 < kanzure> read it outside of the PDF browser 19:26 < kanzure> just use a regular PDF reader 19:26 < kanzure> not in a browser 19:27 < kanzure> here's the paper: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Integration%20of%20microcolumns%20and%20microfluidic%20fractionators%20on%20multitasking%20centrifugal%20microfluidic%20platforms%20for%20the%20analysis%20of%20biomolecules.pdf 19:27 < genehacker> how? 19:27 < bkero> Preview.app is handy for that :0 19:27 < bkero> :) 19:27 < kanzure> genehacker: just open up the PDF file by clicking on it if you're in win-blows 19:28 < genehacker> doesn't work 19:28 < kanzure> or download and install something like http://pdfreaders.org/ 19:28 < kanzure> yeah download something from pdfreaders.org then 19:29 < bkero> I like evince and xpdf 19:30 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:31 < QuantumG> anyone have a slashdot account? 19:31 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-157-136.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:31 < genehacker> firefox explodes 19:32 < genehacker> it gave me a retry or switch to command 19:37 < kanzure> quantum sure 19:37 < kanzure> bkero: gene hacker hasn't figured out how to not be in windows 19:37 < kanzure> bkero: does xpdf and evince run on windows? 19:38 < kanzure> evince sometimes has trouble reading the papers that I read 19:38 < kanzure> so I have to switch into kpdf 19:38 < QuantumG> kanzure: could ya vote up my submission? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLCrZGgKD-k 19:38 < QuantumG> gah, not that url ;) 19:39 < QuantumG> http://slashdot.org/submission/1036453/STS-127-To-Launch-SpaceXs-DragonEye-Sensor 19:42 < genehacker> kanzure when does the linux group around here meet? 19:56 < kanzure> every week or something 19:56 < kanzure> I've never attended 19:59 < genehacker> I guess I need to pay them a visit 19:59 < genehacker> also 19:59 < genehacker> SU8 photolithography isn't that hard 19:59 < genehacker> or isn't supposed to be 20:01 < genehacker> probably about as easy as exposing PCBs 20:01 < genehacker> at least according to the fluidics books 20:08 < ybit> how do you select which fragments of dna to amplify? 20:08 * ybit has yet to use any of this equipment in a lab or elsewhere 20:10 < kanzure> ybit: in PCR? 20:10 < kanzure> you use primers 20:12 < ybit> kanzure: right, but which primers attach where? 20:12 < ybit> i don't know what part i'm wanting to amplify 20:14 < ybit> the first primer attaches to the 5 prime, second to the 3 prime. but which nucleotide are we targeting exactly 20:14 < kanzure> primers attach by watson-crick basepairing 20:14 < kanzure> so you have this 10mer or 20mer or something 20:14 < kanzure> and that's your primer 20:14 < kanzure> and that's one of the primers. you use another primer for the end of the sequence you want to amplify 20:15 < kanzure> Commercial Club Crew - La Luna 20:16 < ybit> how do you know which end is what? i'm guessing you identify this using some type of fluorescent molecule beforehand?.. 20:17 < ybit> can't wait for the molecular bio course in the fall where we go over this stuff in detail 20:17 < kanzure> you'll be disappointed. most of it will be from you reading a book. 20:18 < ybit> i'm reading molecular biology and genomics right and i see there are tons of diff pcr methods 20:19 < ybit> maybe i need to get further into the book, perhaps past chapter 2, there will be more in-depth explanations 20:19 < ybit> mostly i'm just looking forward to picking the brains of my professors 20:21 < ybit> most of them seem to be on break right now :\ 20:23 < ybit> thus i'm in here asking basic questions, anywho, i need primers and polymerase now 20:23 < kanzure> one year ago from last week my dad kicked me out of the house 20:23 < kanzure> man does time fly 20:23 < ybit> 'this is for your own good'? 20:23 < kanzure> no 20:23 < ybit> oh, why? 20:24 < ybit> 'lazy bum!' 20:24 < kanzure> think of it more like how mac wants to kick me off the list 20:24 < kanzure> so it was like that but for the house 20:24 < kanzure> anyway, now he's dead 20:24 < ybit> similar to what splicer and xp_prg were talking about yesterday? ugh. 20:24 < kanzure> sucks to be me 20:25 < kanzure> yes, he thought that I wouldn't have any money and I would end up being a bum this was two days before he died. 20:27 < ybit> at least your dad could carry on a conversation that didn't involve football 20:27 < kanzure> i would give up all of the conversations that we ever had for football-conversations if he hadn't had died 20:27 < kanzure> or maybe not 20:27 < kanzure> or maybe notanyway 20:27 < kanzure> ignore me 20:28 < ybit> sports and religion is all that is on the minds of my family members 20:29 < ybit> bah, it's okay, i know how you feel. around the one year mark after the girl i was dating died, i was feeling the same way. i was in depression for quite some time 20:30 < ybit> two of my good friends died that year, so i can kind of relate 20:30 < kanzure> he gave me a box of gum for my birthday 20:31 < kanzure> my birthday was four days prior 20:31 < ybit> it was a freak accident year 20:31 < kanzure> two days after my birthday he told me I'd become a bum and amount to nothing 20:31 < kanzure> then he proceeded to die 20:32 < ybit> but i suppose it isn't best for you to focus on that one time period of his life 20:33 < ybit> surely he told you quite the opposite before 20:36 < kanzure> all parents do.. 20:36 < kanzure> it's just what they say. even if they don't understand you. 20:36 < kanzure> just nod and smile. 20:38 < ybit> and parents can be wrong, etc. for instance it's taken my parents several years to get over the fact that i'm not religious, that i don't like sports, and they kind of see that my life isn't 'going to the pits' like i was told for _several_ years 20:44 < QuantumG> my parents and I rarely disagreed on anything 20:44 < ybit> sounds ideal 20:46 < QuantumG> about 10 years ago my mum starting getting religion and I may not have suppressed a chuckle fast enough.. that got me a "don't laugh at me" but that's about the limit of our discussion on those topics. 20:46 < QuantumG> and when my dad rants on about UFOs I give him plenty of shit and have some conversations with him about critical thinking, but it doesn't stop him from reading the junk 20:51 < ybit> the Serial Killer DataBase... 20:51 < ybit> argh 20:57 < ybit> right, so purifying taq polymerase has just become important to me 20:59 < ybit> and i'm also starting to doubt that i'm going to be spending less than $500 to assess my future health risks via dna sequencing 20:59 < QuantumG> ya, for that you wont even get "profiling" 21:00 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:47 < kanzure> 4x4 coordinate transformation magic 21:47 < kanzure> more unit tests 21:47 < kanzure> appease the emacs gods and goddesses 21:47 < kanzure> ok, looks like I'm good to go- got my todo list. 21:47 < drazak> I hae to sign an NDA 21:47 < kanzure> for what? 21:48 < kanzure> oh the wxString error from HeeksPython might have been because of some code that I manually modified 21:48 < kanzure> hm 22:00 < ybit> > Shit happens. Not everyone is you. Fucking learn to deal with it already. 22:01 < ybit> wtf 22:01 < ybit> it isn't difficult to pick out a few papers related to what you are doing 22:01 < kanzure> read them, or don't. :p 22:01 * kanzure doesn't know what's so hard about that 22:01 < ybit> argh, i thought she wasn't mac, guess i'm wrong 22:01 < ybit> she's mac with balls 22:01 < kanzure> she privately messaged me an hour ago 22:02 < kanzure> said she was off her meds 22:02 < ybit> i gathered 22:02 < kanzure> and that she's sorry for being a bitch 22:02 < ybit> oh 22:02 < ybit> okay 22:02 < kanzure> she's actually a unix chick, remember, so she actually knows what I am talking about most of the time 22:02 < kanzure> anyway, read the followups 22:02 < ybit> getting there 22:09 < ybit> or just search the archives before posting to the email list would help a lot of the redundancy 22:09 < ybit> first rule of most forums is 'search before asking' 22:10 < ybit> and like you said, she doesn't have to play catch up, so i just don't see why it would be difficult to sort through papers. you already did the hard work of finding the interesting papers 22:11 < ybit> i like meredith, i hope she's just off her meds like she says 22:11 < ybit> and i'm so jealous of the sf-diybio group atm 22:21 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@c-71-192-208-195.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:22 < genehacker> heh my parents buy into the global warming is a hoax thing 22:24 < QuantumG> hoax isn't the right word 22:24 < genehacker> oh yeah heard about what happened in diybio 22:24 < QuantumG> overblown nuisance certainly comes close 22:25 < kanzure> what happened in diybio, genehacker? 22:25 < genehacker> well we're not that fucked 22:25 < genehacker> with the garage bio magazine? 22:25 < kanzure> what about it? 22:26 < genehacker> they don't want to put it online for free or something like that 22:26 < kanzure> no that's not it at all 22:26 < kanzure> woah you got it very wrong 22:26 < genehacker> oops 22:26 < genehacker> only skimmed it 22:27 < genehacker> thing with global warming is that it could cause mass extinctions 22:28 < genehacker> or semi-mass extinctions 22:28 < kanzure> omega man trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-MosmUseSY 22:28 < kanzure> fenn especially. 22:29 < QuantumG> I've watched omega man 22:29 < QuantumG> vampires 22:29 < QuantumG> fun 22:29 < genehacker> kanzure you ever watch the silent earth? 22:29 < genehacker> another lastman on earth type movie 22:30 < genehacker> involves constant change 22:32 < kanzure> ohg that explains nothing about that movie 22:32 < kanzure> huh 22:32 < genehacker> oops the quiet earth 22:32 < genehacker> well duh I don't want to give any spoilers away 22:33 < kanzure> "In 1975, biological warfare between the People's Republic of China and the Soviet Union kills most of the world's human population. U.S. Army Colonel Robert Neville, M.D. (Charlton Heston) — a military scientist — begins to succumb to the plague, but vaccinates himself just in time, rendering him immune. The plague's victims, meanwhile, are reborn as "The Family" — a cult of nocturnal, vampiric mutants who seek to destroy the last vestiges of technological society." 22:34 < genehacker> heh let's try not to make that plague 22:35 < genehacker> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089869/ 22:36 < genehacker> energy project goes wrong, everyone ends up gone except for a few people 22:36 < genehacker> energy project also ends up changing a fundamental constant of the universe too... 22:38 < genehacker> hey were you guys talking about making a biosafety level 4 hot room? 22:38 < genehacker> for diybio that seems a bit insane 22:40 < bkero> So, I walked out to my car this evening to find this: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/Pictures/flower.jpg 22:41 < genehacker> though I've seen a couple of glove boxes on the trash dock at the chem building... 22:41 < bkero> genehacker: You need to spend less time in not-normal garages. 22:41 < genehacker> you mean such things exist? 22:41 < genehacker> AWESOME! 22:41 < bkero> genehacker: Ever been in a garage with a crucible and equipment to refine 99.9% pure silicon? :) 22:42 < genehacker> no 22:42 < genehacker> I need to see that garage 22:42 < genehacker> 99% 22:42 < bkero> You need to work in more awesome garages. 22:42 < genehacker> ? 22:42 < genehacker> bkero 22:42 < genehacker> that's an awesome garage 22:42 < genehacker> that's the sorta garage we need 22:43 < bkero> Did I mention this crucible started out life as a microwave? ;) 22:43 < genehacker> no 22:43 < genehacker> hmmmm.... 22:43 < bkero> Hehe, it's well documented. 22:43 < genehacker> well documented? 22:43 < genehacker> link? 22:43 < bkero> Turning microwaves into crucibles I mean. The silicon refinement yes, but in different areas. 22:44 < genehacker> but can you make a good crucible for maintaining constant temperature? 22:44 < genehacker> is that semiconductor grade bkero? 22:45 < bkero> Well, that's what it's being used for. 22:45 < genehacker> if this garage has a crystal puller then we need to see this garage 22:45 < genehacker> if this garage has a wafer cutter 22:45 < genehacker> THEN WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THIS GARAGE 22:46 < bkero> I haven't explored it fully, the main action was happening around the crucible and bathes. 22:47 * bkero will need to be invited back to said garage. 22:47 < ybit> genehacker: nobody was talking about a biosafety room, i was looking up biosafety standards for my home lab 22:47 < genehacker> document it 22:47 < genehacker> if you can 22:48 < genehacker> what are they trying to do? 22:48 < genehacker> are they making silicon from sand? 22:48 < bkero> Yea 22:48 < bkero> Fab-garage 22:48 < genehacker> are they doing photolithography? 22:49 < bkero> No, they're doing this to avoid photolithography 22:49 < genehacker> ??? 22:49 < bkero> They were using some method to carve pathes in it that wasn't masking 22:50 < bkero> I'm not sure what it was, never asked 22:56 < genehacker> they were making chips? 23:10 < kanzure> " 23:10 < kanzure> The discovery was made by splitting infrared light into two beams that each travel on a different length of silicon nanowire, called a waveguide. The two light beams became out of phase with one another, creating a push, or repulsive force, with an intensity that can be controlled; the more out of phase the two light beams, the stronger the force." 23:10 < kanzure> Hong Tang, Nature Photonics 23:12 < genehacker> oh saw that 23:12 < genehacker> what could we use it for? 23:12 < bkero> genehacker: Sorry, was fixing bike. They were making BJTs when I was there. 23:13 < genehacker> what's a BJT? 23:13 < kanzure> bipolar transistors? 23:13 < bkero> Bipolar junction transistor 23:13 < ybit> was reading about them last night and this morning 23:13 < bkero> Except different. They were fitting more onto it. If I understood correctly it was a dual channel 23:13 < ybit> that's pretty cool bkero 23:14 < bkero> ...(can you make dual channel BJTs?) 23:14 < genehacker> that's a chip 23:14 < genehacker> almost 23:14 < genehacker> it's a transistor that's good enough 23:14 < bkero> Heh 23:20 < bkero> Is there some faggy Harry Potter movie opening tonight? 23:21 < genehacker> yup 23:21 < drazak> "the linux version of windows explorer never crashes right?" 23:21 < drazak> B[B[B[BB[B[B 23:21 < drazak> what the fuck 23:21 < genehacker> I said that 23:21 < genehacker> with shame 23:21 < drazak> you mean 23:21 < drazak> firefox on linux? 23:22 < genehacker> no I run vista 23:22 < genehacker> windows explorer can crash now 23:22 < drazak> lol 23:22 < QuantumG> maybe he means Nautilus 23:22 < drazak> it could crash in xp 23:22 < QuantumG> and yes, it crashes 23:22 < drazak> and 2000 23:22 < QuantumG> often in the exact same way as Explorer on windows 23:22 < bkero> I should do my part and drive by with a giant HERMIONE DIES THIS TIME REALLY GUYS banner on my car. 23:22 < genehacker> DO IT FAGGOT! 23:22 < QuantumG> (for example, accessing an smb drive) 23:23 < genehacker> oops that wasn't me talking 23:23 < bkero> Explorer can crash looking at it funny. 23:24 < genehacker> don't insult it 23:24 * drazak is making lockpicks out of bike spokes 23:24 < genehacker> that only makes it work 23:24 < genehacker> why? 23:24 < bkero> drazak: That's a waste. Bicycle spokes are perfect as welding rods. 23:24 < genehacker> and technique? 23:24 < drazak> bkero: I have like, 300 bike spokes 23:24 < drazak> genehacker: files 23:25 < bkero> drazak: What I hear you say is that you're going to weld a car together. 23:25 < genehacker> flatten with hammer? 23:25 < drazak> genehacker: flatten?! 23:25 < drazak> I'm filing 23:25 < drazak> them 23:25 < genehacker> I don't think I understand how to turn bike spokes into lock picks 23:27 < katsmeow-afk> speaking as someone who runs thru 200lbs of welding rod a yr, bike spokes do not make good welding rods 23:27 < bkero> katsmeow-afk: What kind of welding are you doing with them, and are you using aluminum or steel? 23:28 < katsmeow-afk> arc, dc, 7018 , steel 23:29 < bkero> I always find that 7018 get a bunch of nasty pores when I weld 23:30 < katsmeow-afk> clean the base metal better, lower the current, and no wind over the arc 23:30 < katsmeow-afk> rust = pores 23:30 < bkero> It's cold rolled, I hear that 7018 doesn't work very well on that to begin with. 23:30 < katsmeow-afk> if the arc sounds sloppy, not crisp, you get flux inclusion pores 23:31 < bkero> I'm only doing around 150a 23:31 < katsmeow-afk> cold rolled isn't the best to be welding on with anything 23:31 < katsmeow-afk> what size rod? 23:31 < bkero> Whatever bicycle spokes are, hehe 23:31 < katsmeow-afk> o 23:31 < bkero> 1.85mm I think it is 23:32 < katsmeow-afk> well, on 3/32 7018, i usually run 125amps, on 1/16 i run ~90 for tacking thin stuff 23:32 < bkero> I'm usually tacking some sheets to RST 23:33 < bkero> I can get a decent bead when joining 2 pieces of RST 23:33 < katsmeow-afk> a 125amp bead on chamfered or slightly separated 1/4 plate will generally burn half way into it with a clean weld 23:33 < katsmeow-afk> why don't you use real welding rod? 23:33 < ybit> how much does taqman cost? 23:34 < bkero> I can't afford it :/ 23:34 < katsmeow-afk> i cannot afford the welds to break 23:34 < bkero> My welder is 2 fucking transformers from microwaves 23:34 < katsmeow-afk> ooohhh 23:34 < bkero> a pair of vice grips, jumper cables, and welding gloves 23:35 < splicer> ...and bicycle spokes 23:35 < bkero> Are you calling me ghetto? 23:35 < katsmeow-afk> mine is a 30 yr old Miller growlbox, with new fan, new diodes, new huge heatsink, new power relay on the main 23:36 < bkero> So when you say turn down the current, yea, there's not a whole lot i can do there. :P 23:38 < katsmeow-afk> hmm,, resistors in the primary 23:38 < bkero> Right now I'm welding a bicycle jig together. 23:38 < katsmeow-afk> i never got good welds on any 120v welder tho, hence mine is 240 mains 23:39 < katsmeow-afk> here's it's new diode "block" : http://DesignerThinking.com/arcwelder.html 23:39 < bkero> I went off this: http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Microwave-Transformer-Homemade-Welder/ 23:39 < katsmeow-afk> the circuit breaker in it i had added, i then subtracted 23:40 < bkero> I actually have a 230A shunt wired through the ground so I could measure the amperage. 23:40 < katsmeow-afk> still, take a lot of current over a lot of sine wave to keep a good arc, i wouldn't think you could on a 120v wall outlet 23:42 < katsmeow-afk> microwaves are ~900 watts, so with 2 you get 1800 watts, i pop 40amp breaker on 240v line (9600 watts) 23:43 < katsmeow-afk> course, that's after some time continuously welding at 150amps 23:43 < katsmeow-afk> 3/32 rod doesn't take 150 amp well tho 23:44 < bkero> Mine's around 30v 23:44 < bkero> What do normal welders operate at? 23:45 < katsmeow-afk> 60v open circuit, 40 operatig, depending on stuff 23:45 < bkero> I measured operating, no idea what it is open circuit. 23:46 < katsmeow-afk> the higher the voltage, the longer you can make the arc, which you might want to do occasionally 23:47 < katsmeow-afk> and the easier it is to strike 23:47 < bkero> 30v at 150 amps measured is 3kw, which isn't too bad as I understand it, compared to cheap harbor freight welders. 23:47 < katsmeow-afk> a long arc is a good first pass on light rust, to blow it off before you make a serious pass with the rod 23:48 < katsmeow-afk> ok, but how do you get 3kw outof 2 900watt transformers? 23:48 < bkero> I tore up and rewound the transformers 23:48 < katsmeow-afk> and how do you get 3000watts reom a 12v outlet? 23:48 < bkero> 2 120v outlets 23:48 < katsmeow-afk> o 23:48 < bkero> in series 23:49 < bkero> Well, the transformers are in series 23:50 * katsmeow-afk nods,, so you have 240, actually 23:51 < katsmeow-afk> might work just fine for small rod, lite welding 23:51 < bkero> They're 35A lines too, so I think I'm well beneath that. 23:51 * katsmeow-afk nods 23:51 < bkero> I used it to learn how to weld :P 23:51 < bkero> Only other thing I've used is a shittle little oxy thing 23:52 < bkero> Oh yea, and welded some titanium for the frame of a solar challenge car. We covered the entire damn frame in a big plastic bag, purged it, and filled the entire thing with argon so we'd get clean welds. 23:52 < katsmeow-afk> i have a patchwork of wire tween the arc welder and the house mains, the 12awg gets hot with fairly busy 130amp welding, the 10awg gets hot with continuous 130amp welding, and the 40amp breaker gets hot and kicks with constant 150amps 23:53 < bkero> Go get yourself some 8 or 6 gauge. 23:53 < katsmeow-afk> that costs, and the conduit is buried in concrete, and is too small for 8 23:54 < bkero> 8awg costs? 23:54 < katsmeow-afk> this is summer, i don't do so much welding now anyhow, it's too hot with a jacket on out there 23:55 < katsmeow-afk> 8awg copper costs,, i got 8awg and 00 Al laying around i can't get rid of 23:55 < bkero> Nobody at the shop trusts my welder, so I get to do it at the side of the building. :/ 23:56 < katsmeow-afk> i've felt 0000 al too hot to touch as SE cable to a *house* , i won't trust Al on heavy loads, especially outside fullmetal enclosures 23:56 < katsmeow-afk> anyhoo, i need to go do things irl, bbl 23:56 < bkero> My friend works at DANA in Modesto. Welds toyota truck frames 23:57 < bkero> Later 23:57 < bkero> Frame welds = hardcore 23:57 < ybit> taqman?