--- Day changed Sat Jul 18 2009
00:00 < ybit> fenn: do you have a link to smari's kokompe project?
00:01 < ybit> or just a link to the source would be nice
00:02 < ybit> oh nm, i see
00:07 < ybit> anywho, concerning dating. doesn't it seem like a big waste of time to anyone else? i highly enjoy my single life and free time
00:08 < bkero> many people crave intimacy
00:08 < bkero> Hard to find without that part
00:10 < ybit> dating just seems like a way for genes to fuck with the mind
00:11 < ybit> maybe i'm of that opinion since dating in the past led nowhere but wasting time 
00:11 < ybit> dunno, maybe i'm an ass for saying that
00:12  * ybit should remind samrose about some of the natural language processing/semantic project going on @ kde
00:12 < ybit> s/some of//
00:27 < ybit> kanzure, fenn: why is it monday.py and not monday.py.html?
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01:09 < ybit> paste to smari's tangible bit repo?
01:09  * ybit doesn't want to sort through emails just yet and concatenate irc logs
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02:18 < ybit> ick, hot pre-med neurosurgeon girl is sorority, christian, and in a relationship
02:18 < ybit> phew, what a relief
02:19  * ybit likes the single life thank you very much
02:20 < ybit> much more time to concentrate on important tasks is one benefit among the others
02:32 < ybit> QuantumG: do you have a link to the PhasAR innput device?
02:33 < ybit> QuantumG: nevermind, got it
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06:40 < kanzure> ybit: why do you think it should be monday.py.html?
06:42 < kanzure> ybit: tangiblebit is currently only pullable via ssh
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07:55 < kanzure> merging a file from one old repo into a new repo, preserving history: http://www.simplicidade.org/notes/archives/2009/04/merging_two_unr.html
08:09 < kanzure> is there an alternative to OCC.gp.gp_Dir() ?
08:10 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/FoundationClasses/html/classgp__Dir.html
08:10 < kanzure> gce_MakeDir, Geom_Direction, hm..
08:23 < kanzure> gp_Ax3 - http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/FoundationClasses/html/classgp__Ax3.html
08:25 < kanzure> gp_Ax3 (const gp_Pnt &P, const gp_Dir &N, const gp_Dir &Vx)
08:25 < kanzure> gp_Ax3 (const gp_Pnt &P, const gp_Dir &V)
08:30 < kanzure> pythonOCC/samples/Level1/OCAF/DynamicXCAF.py shows how to update objects for translation and rotation but I'm not sure whether or not OCAF is necessary for that
08:32 < kanzure> pythonOCC/samples/Level1/Animation/animation.py answers that
08:44 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * r90b13e632f19 /pymates/pymates.py: attempt at translation and rotation (incomplete)
08:45 < kanzure> ybit: I met david dalrymple by stalking him down.
08:45 < kanzure> so, no.
09:07 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * r5a5d044f8624 /pymates/ERRORS: tracking errors now
09:14 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * r9e510ac12f5d /pymates/pymates.py: move_parts success
09:14 < splicer> ybit: Take a look at the PUA community
09:15 < splicer> (david dalrymple seems like an impressive guy)
09:15 < kanzure> his mom lost a bet and had to send him to college
09:15 < kanzure> so he kind of lucked out
09:22 < splicer> *lol*
09:22 < splicer> he made the bet I presume?
09:23 < splicer> does he claim to be a transhumanist?
09:24 < kanzure> no, his mother did
09:24 < kanzure> with someone else
09:24 < kanzure> yes, he's into transhumanism
09:36 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * rcbf97af0493b /pymates/ (models/blockhole.yaml pymates.py): comments and trying to not suck as much
09:47 < kanzure> to see it in action, go to "do stuff" -> demo; then go to "do stuff" -> move parts; then go to demo and do it again
09:47 < kanzure> it's setup to just move stuff around very basically
09:47 < kanzure> the new positions and rotations are not taken from the YAML yet
09:47 < splicer> kanzure: does he say he is into transhumanism or is he just interested about the singilarity? I mean does he call himself a transhumanist or do transhumanists point at him and say he is one?
09:48 < kanzure> nobody points at him and says he is
09:48 < kanzure> however, I don't recall if he personally claimed he was a transhumanist
09:48 < splicer> you kind of did
09:48 < kanzure> because of his interest in fablabs and kurzweil, I would guess that there's probably a few thoughts about transhumanism swimming around his head about it
09:48 < splicer> ok
09:48 < kanzure> splicer: didn't you meet him when he came in here?
09:49 < kanzure> search the logs for davidad
09:49 < splicer> no, i don't think is was here then
09:49 < splicer> there are logs?
09:50 < kanzure> don't you keep logs?
09:50 < splicer> no
09:50 < kanzure> some of us do
09:50 < splicer> (i'm bad at reading them)
09:51 < splicer> ok
09:51 < kanzure> let me upload I guess
09:51 < splicer> you don't have to
09:52 < splicer> I kind of like the idea that logs are private
09:52 < kanzure> I've asked about making them public
09:52 < kanzure> but the only problem is that I've insulted way too many people in here
09:53 < splicer> privacy is a good thing
09:53 < kanzure> not being mean is better than privacy
09:54 < splicer> there are many things that are better brainstormed about in resonable privacy
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09:55 < kanzure> hello kardan_ 
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10:26 < ybit> kanzure: because the markup is html
10:26 < ybit> the code is .py
10:27 < ybit> but what i retrieved is html it seems
10:27 < kanzure> error: insufficient permission for adding an object to repository database ./objects
10:27  * ybit is a tangiblebit ftr
10:27 < kanzure> ybit: how is it html?
10:27 < kanzure> what are you looking at?
10:28 < ybit> kanzure: http://github.com/kanzure/skdb/blob/257b63a5f99b33582dec43c7fc39af179eb2dc48/pymates/monday.py
10:28 < ybit> try wget <above link>
10:28 < kanzure> oh, don't do that
10:28 < kanzure> that's an HTML page
10:28 < ybit> right right
10:29 < ybit> i suppose i was supposed to follow it via web browser
10:29  * ybit was slightly sleepy when i suggested it be .html
10:29 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/pymates/monday.py
10:29 < ybit> ah, much better
10:30 < ybit> parajita seems prepared to throw money at something
10:30 < ybit> you have to be excited they have a manufacturing facility ready for you two
10:30 < ybit> i know i was getting excited just reading the log
10:30 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * r0d214af0e21f /pymates/ (ERRORS models/blockhole.yaml pymates.py): things are getting cluttered. demo1 and demo2 now load YAML values.
10:31 < kanzure> ok. chmod g+w * in objects/ did the trick
10:31 < kanzure> ybit: guess I strategically neglected to mention parijata to you
10:31 < kanzure> by strategically I mean it was totally unplanned
10:32 < ybit> kanzure: i kind of knew about him through what little you did mention
10:33 < kanzure> sorry, she's female
10:33 < ybit> oh, okay. i forget which one is femal
10:33 < kanzure> what?
10:33 < ybit> s/femal/female 
10:33 < kanzure> no, what?
10:34 < kanzure> female is the one that is not male
10:34 < ybit> there was someone i thought was originally female but ended up being male, and then the information was confused
10:34 < ybit> kanzure: :P
10:35 < kanzure> yeah she's still suspect IMHO. she's about to throw fenn's most-transhumanist-women-are-really-men statistics.
10:35 < ybit> i think maybe i was thinking smari was female but ended up being male
10:35 < kanzure> I'm sure he'll be happy to hear about that particular misunderstanding.
10:35 < ybit> he could probably do without :)
10:36 < ybit> ah, indeed. it is smari because he's from iceland
10:36 < ybit> which is the info associated with this info
10:36 < kanzure> for the record: OCAF is not necessary for translation and rotation
10:36  * ybit <3s org-mode. ty for suggesting it
10:40 < fenn> the statistical anomaly isnt about transhumanist women but rather ones who are interested in programming and electronics and tinkering
10:40 < kanzure> arguably you're not much of a transhumanist if you're not interested in programming and electronics and tinkering
10:41 < fenn> i wouldnt say that
10:41 < kanzure> how are you going to do anything if not by tinkering?
10:41 < fenn> i think 99% of vampire wannabes are really transhumanists in disguise.. they just dont know it
10:42 < kanzure> putting on a cape doesn't give you the abilities that a vampire is defined by
10:42 < fenn> nor does putting on a wearable make you a 1337 $@X0r
10:42 < kanzure> saxor?
10:43 < fenn> yah, jazz artist, what did you think i was talking about
10:43 < kanzure> your leet speek module is broken and no I won't fix it
10:45 < kanzure> s/speek/speak/
10:45 < fenn> actually i've been half daydreaming about using myoelectric sensors to provide a sort of musical spoken interface
10:46 < fenn> it senses the note you're trying to sing, bins it, then turns that into a MIDI signal or whatever
10:46 < fenn> all in software of course
10:47 < fenn> based on the speechless speech interface which name i cant recall
10:47 < fenn> it has some electrodes that go on your larynx
10:49 < kanzure> how do you fork something in python? /me googles around
10:49 < fenn> or the other way around, making your muscles twitch at the right time would be good training
10:49 < fenn> os.fork if that's what you really mean (but i bet it isn't)
10:49 < kanzure> os.fork
10:49 < kanzure> yeah
10:51 < kanzure> yeah I guess it's not
10:54 < kanzure> import OCC.Display.wxSamplesGui
10:54 < kanzure> OCC.Display.wxSamplesGui.start_display()
10:55 < ybit> q
10:57 < kanzure> http://stderr.org/doc/wxwin2.3-examples/examples/wxPython/demoMainLoop.py
10:58 < kanzure> lame..
10:58 < kanzure> http://www.nabble.com/Re:--wx-users--wxPython-Interpreter-td17896822.html
10:58 < kanzure> "you'll have to fork it and use something like XML-RPC to send GUI commands'
11:03 < kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/865082/python-plugging-wx-py-shell-shell-into-a-separate-process
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11:08 < kanzure> this sucks.
11:08 < kanzure> surely other people have wanted this before
11:08 < kanzure> and no, I don't want to have to compile() my source every time I want to send it over to the wxpython pid
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11:49 < kanzure> ipytohn -wthread -c "import myWxApp" -i
11:49 < kanzure> from: http://allmybrain.com/2009/06/27/launching-wxpython-apps-with-an-ipython-shell/
11:53 < kanzure> ipython -wthread -c "import OCC.Display.wxSamplesGui" -i  hrm.. doesn't seem to work
12:00  * kanzure googles around for glXMakeCurrent OpenCASCADE
12:09 < kanzure> pymates.OCC.Display.wxSamplesGui.display.Create() makes it work
12:09 < kanzure> yay
12:16 < kanzure> hm. processes.py is having some troubles .. what do I do?
12:19 < kanzure> fenn: git status tells me that processes.py has changed. I "rm processes.py" and do ls, and still see processes.py there. what'
12:19 < kanzure> what's going on?
12:19 < fenn> you changed it twice, according to git
12:19 < fenn> git reset --hard
12:19 < fenn> or stash or something
12:19 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * r72cde94a66ae / (pymates/pymates.py shell.py): interactive shell with pythonOCC
12:20 < kanzure> when did I change it?
12:20 < fenn> um, i dunno
12:20 < kanzure> do I really want to do git reset --hard?
12:20 < fenn> how should i know
12:20 < kanzure> I did "git reset --hard"
12:20 < kanzure> and now processes.py is in the ls again
12:20 < kanzure> but vim'ing it brings up a new file
12:21 < fenn> it's empty?
12:21 < kanzure> yes
12:21 < fenn> well.. did you ever commit it when it had content?
12:21 < kanzure> I don't think so.
12:21 < fenn> git log -p processes.py
12:21 < kanzure> ambiguous argument 'processes.py' unknown revision or path not in the working tree
12:22 < fenn> are you sure you're not just reading the filename wrong?
12:22 < kanzure> what?
12:27 < kanzure> ipython -wthread -c "import pymates\n" -i 
12:27 < kanzure> pymates.start()
12:27 < kanzure> if you're feeling daring:
12:27 < kanzure> pymates.demo()
12:27 < kanzure> pymates.demo2()
12:27 < kanzure> (in that order)
12:30 < kanzure> you can also try: pymates.load_cad_file() but be sure to only use something in models/
12:33 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/2009-07-18_bryan_fails_at_matrix_math.png
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13:05 < fenn> i'm not really sure what to think of this (python for .NET (part 2)) http://caseyporn.com/blog/archives/000876.html 
13:05 < fenn> "If you make a __str__() method, it shows up from the .NET side as .toString(), and vice-versa."
13:07 < kanzure> forced naming conventions?
13:08 < fenn> __str__ is used to cast to string
13:09 < kanzure> I thought the point of C was that you just cast it yourself
13:09 < kanzure> (int) some_string
13:09 < kanzure> er, nevermind
13:09 < fenn> casts happen automatically most of the time
13:09 < kanzure> I'm not going to get into this
13:09 < kanzure> right
13:09 < fenn> abandon eddy ermine radio slay woman, abandoned dyer miner adios laywoman
13:10 < fenn> for war down since straps take, forward owns incest rap stake!
13:14 < kanzure> gee I sure hope you found those. the alternative is too ridiculous.
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13:38 < fenn> has jm|earth ever said anything in this channel?
13:40 < fenn> "can't remember...basically through immortality and transhumanism topics, and suddenly i was here. this was a year or so ago. i just didn't come into irc before." seems to be the totality of it
13:43 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * r5bc2d609acea / (4 files in 3 dirs): multiple parts and YAMLs attempt
13:47 < kanzure> pymates/pymates.py needs a better class structure. and not a list for managing a list of parts loaded.
13:47 < fenn> so, a dict instead of a list? that's a one line change
13:48 < kanzure> globals are lame
13:50 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * rf15920090980 /pymates/ERRORS: removed errors
14:01 < fenn> lazyweb query: transhumanists that are also into fabratory stuff
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14:01 < fenn> i sort of feel dirty using that word
14:02 < fenn> like, person A "is" a transhumanist but person B "is" not
14:02 < fenn> but "transhumanist" is so poorly enough defined that there isnt even really a set of characteristics one could point at
14:03 < fenn> i'm sure there are a lot of scientists and engineers who have the same ideas but simply don't associate with this particular word
14:04 < fenn> do we know why todd huffman is interested in fablabs?
14:07 < kanzure> how he'd fallen down that particular rabbit hole?
14:08 < fenn> well the connection between transhumanism is not entirely obvious and would be the whole point of the panel
14:08 < fenn> and fablabs*
14:09 < fenn> it might be just part of the whole "make the world a better place through technology" gig
14:09 < kanzure> maybe taking the approach of talking about transhumanism as being a 'system administrator' to your body would be appropriate
14:10 < kanzure> so you should also sysadmin yer tools
14:10 < kanzure> and get the tools working so that the tools can work on you working on the tools working on you worki-- er, recursion limit error
14:10 < fenn> but fab labs dont cause one to admin their own tools; they're provided and other people use them (or so i think)
14:11 < kanzure> the panel isn't fablabs. it's skdb and fabratories.
14:11 < kanzure> i.e., not neil's fablabs
14:11 < fenn> ok so "industrial literacy" in general
14:11 < fenn> and competence
14:11 < kanzure> yes please
14:13 < kanzure> "From this combination of passion and inventiveness I began to get a sense that what these students are really doing is reinventing literacy. Literacy in the modern sense emerged in the Renaissance as mastery of the liberal arts. This is liberal in the sense of liberation, not politically liberal"
14:13 < fenn> anyway i think "industrial competence" is better because literacy only implies you know how to do something, not that you're actually able
14:13 < fenn> or s/industrial/manufacturing/ if you prefer
14:13 < kanzure> 'how to be an industrial transhumanist'
14:13 < kanzure> (I was originally thinking more like "industrial badass" but transhumanist came out instead.. sorry.)
14:14 < fenn> "how to hang from tony stark's ballsack"
14:14 < kanzure> yo' just hanging out today
14:14 < kanzure> s/tony stark/alex lightman/
14:15 < kanzure> http://192.168.1.110/exp.html
14:15 < kanzure> http://192.168.1.110/quotes.html
14:16 < kanzure> http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/gershenfeld03/gershenfeld_index.html
14:20 < kanzure> http://www.scipy.org/NumPy_for_Matlab_Users
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14:28 < kanzure> should have mentioned sam rose
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14:58 < fenn> huh. nesting algorithm: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wp-content/uploads/wordlembauwens.png
14:59 < fenn> that guy sure likes "P2P-"
15:04 < fenn> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/06/the_google_way.php
15:04 < fenn> "Not one person who worked on the Chinese translator spoke Chinese."  There was no theory of Chinese, no understanding. Just data. (If anyone ever wanted a disproof of Searle's riddle of the Chinese Room, here it is.) 
15:14 < kanzure> fenn: did you try out the git filter snippit I posted yesterday?
15:14 < fenn> not yet
15:15 < kanzure> http://aartemenko.com/texts/how-to-merge-two-git-repositories/
15:16 < fenn> is that better?
15:17 < kanzure> looks quicker
15:18 < fenn> there really ought to already be some command, like 'git import'
15:19 < kanzure> like this? http://wingolog.org/pub/git-merge-unrelated-branch
15:19 < kanzure> er, maybe not
15:20 < kanzure> seems to be for a branch from another repo
15:20 < fenn> no?
15:21 < fenn> i dont think git fetch gets the history
15:22 < kanzure> found it here:
15:22 < kanzure> http://wingolog.org/archives/2008/10/14/merging-in-unrelated-git-branches
15:22 < kanzure> "Typically when this is the case, the code is just imported directly, throwing away the historical records of how that code came to be."
15:22 < fenn> well i can do that easily enough with cp
15:22 < kanzure> well that statement would seem to indicate that this does something different
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15:22 < kanzure> "Typically .."
15:22 < kanzure> "This is a travesty."
15:23 < kanzure> "But suffer not:"
15:24 < fenn> no thanks
15:26 < kanzure> throw in a branch and git-filter line I guess
15:26 < fenn> i dont understand what he's doing so i'm not going to touch it
15:26 < fenn> the aartemenko one looks better
15:28 < fenn> actually the first one describes my situation much better so i'm more confident it'll actually do what i want
15:28 < kanzure> do you have that link?
15:28 < fenn> http://www.simplicidade.org/notes/archives/2009/04/merging_two_unr.html
15:28 < kanzure> stop mind reading
15:28  * kanzure is going to have to start srand()ing his thinking
15:28 < fenn> i thought that was the point of all this transhumanist stuff
15:29 < kanzure> it needs a fancier name like "creative imitation" or something
15:29 < fenn> society for creative imitation of fictional intelligences
15:30 < fenn> SCIFI
15:30 < kanzure> man that's almost as bad as the intro Warehouse13
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15:36 < kanzure> fenn: the git filter line from simplicidade isn't working for me.
15:36 < kanzure> it keeps on just giving me options.
15:36 < fenn> entirely possible the syntax to git-filter has changed
15:37 < kanzure> I think prune-empty is wrong
15:37 < fenn> why?
15:37 < kanzure> because it's not in the man pages
15:37 < kanzure> and removing it doesn't help anyway. nevermind.
15:38 < kanzure> also --all is wrong as well
15:39 < fenn> it's possible he's using a newer version of git
15:39 < fenn> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-filter-branch.html
15:39 < fenn> search for prune
15:41 < fenn> debian is up to 1.6.3
15:41 < fenn> in whatever i'm using
15:41 < kanzure> I'm on 1.5.6.5
15:42 < fenn> i'm using "testing"
15:46 < fenn> "In a short aside, it seems that Python programmers are generally nice, amiable people. I don't know if they gravitate to the language, or the language brings this out in them, but it's good to have a friendly community."
15:46 < kanzure> from where?
15:47 < fenn> http://caseyporn.com/blog/archives/cat_programming.html
15:47 < kanzure> still on caseyporn?
15:47 < fenn> it's entertaining
15:47 < fenn> besides i can't read 80% of it and not read all of it
15:52 < fenn> this would be a cool thing to have displayed on the wall-screens at HQ http://caseyporn.com/blog/archives/000215.html
15:57 < fenn> "Also, I wrote some code to scrape Google Image Search and retrieve the (real) images automatically. This means that I can augment my text-only visualisation with topical pictures."
15:57 < fenn> is there a 'news image search'?
15:57 < fenn> it'd be like TV but not
15:58 < fenn> i guess you could just filter results by date
16:02 < kanzure> it's fun filtering for "line drawings only" on google images these days
16:02 < kanzure> and then add a technical term to the query like 'schematic' or 'blueprints'
16:02 < fenn> how do you filter for line drawings only?
16:02 < kanzure> there's a select-box/drop-down-thingy
16:02 < kanzure> http://images.google.com/
16:03 < kanzure> it only appears after you have made a query
16:03 < kanzure> (it's on the results page)
16:03 < fenn> where exactly?
16:03 < kanzure> to the left of where it gives you the number of results found
16:04 < fenn> not for me it doesnt
16:04 < kanzure> google likes experimenting with people
16:04 < kanzure> http://images.google.com/images?imgtype=lineart&as_st=y&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=+blueprints&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=
16:06 < kanzure> blueprints of a university: http://ksl-web.stanford.edu/graphics/blueprints/blueprint-1.gif
16:06 < kanzure> so.. there's lots of guns.
16:07 < fenn> i want to write a squid proxy that inverts the colors of black and white images
16:08 < fenn> if the background is mostly white, that is
16:08 < fenn> mostly vehicles and robots looks like
16:10 < fenn> i guess google just doesnt like konqueror
16:16 < fenn> wow this looks really cool http://exper.3drecursions.com/exper-apophysis-scripts/
16:16 < fenn> looks visually like fractals but i dont think it's as "pure"
16:17 < fenn> oh i think it's ElectricSheep
16:17 < fenn> i never did manage to get that to work
16:18 < fenn> "Useless Brain Usage"
16:20 < kanzure> cd ~/sandbox/some/useless/repo/ ; git-import-folder ~/code/skdb/ inventory #where 'inventory' could be some other folder name that you want
16:21 < fenn> is this some script you wrote?
16:21 < kanzure> yes, one moment
16:22 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/git-import-folder
16:23 < fenn> not quite the death star http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/images/blueprints/deck06.gif
16:24 < kanzure> quick somebody sue them for patent infringement
16:25 < fenn> sue george lucas you mean?
16:26 < kanzure> yes I'll accept ILM instead of money
16:27 < kanzure> um uh oh
16:27 < kanzure> fuck fuck fuck
16:27 < kanzure> line 36 in that file
16:27 < kanzure> oh. $2 is the name, not the actual path
16:28  * kanzure sighs
16:29 < fenn> i havent actually looked yet, sorry
16:29 < kanzure> it's ok, false alarm
16:36 < kanzure> cloning with a plain path just hardlinks everything?
16:36 < fenn> the enterprise blueprints are actually very detailed and "hard science", quite inspiring to think about regarding autonomous manufacturing facilities 
16:37 < fenn> http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/tos_1.php
16:37 < fenn> dont tell me you just deleted your repository on accident
16:38 < kanzure> nope
16:48 < fenn> find ./ -name 'foo*' | while read i ; do echo $i ; done
16:48 < fenn> find . -name '* *' -print0 | xargs -0 -n 1 -I % echo % rocks
16:48 < fenn> print0 doesnt work with grep as far as i know
16:49 < fenn> oh i guess it does
16:49 < fenn> -Z
16:50 < fenn> oh wait that's for input, not output
16:50 < kanzure> just trying to rm everything except a certain something
16:50 < fenn> find ./ | grep -v "what you want to keep" | while read i ; do rm $i ; done
16:52 < kanzure> is there a way to not find hidden directories?
16:52  * fenn mutters about changing customer specifications
16:53 < fenn> do you think this was drawn by hand or output from a cad program? http://www.logiops.dk/Blueprints/blueprintg36c.jpg
16:53 < kanzure> what's with the random japanese
16:54 < fenn> airsoft was invented in japan.. they arent allowed to have real guns so they must settle for plastic bb guns :\
16:55 < kanzure> shopt -s extglob; rm !(what-you-want-to-keep)
16:55 < kanzure> thanks for nothing
16:55 < kanzure> what do I pay you for
16:56 < fenn> go fuck yourself
16:56 < fenn> grep -E for regex
16:56 < fenn> dont forget to escape your .'s
16:57 < fenn> grep -v -E '\.git'
16:57 < kanzure> yay
16:57 < kanzure> although rm !(stuff) looks more pleasant
16:57 < kanzure> probably incompatible as all hell however
16:57 -!- freedom_ is now known as Phreedom
16:58 < fenn> i think that requires bash-completion-lib
16:58 < fenn> i dont have shopt
16:58 < kanzure> ok
16:59 < kanzure> hi Phreedom 
17:00 < kanzure> rm !(stuff1 stuff2) also works
17:01 < fenn> uh, sorta works
17:02 < fenn> how do you know when to put stuff in parentheses
17:02 < kanzure> is there a time when you don't?
17:02 < fenn> i.e ls *(mp3) doesnt work
17:02 < kanzure> wow rm !(first second) completely trashed my directory. what's going on?
17:03 < fenn> i suggest learning what the expression does before passing it to rm
17:03 < kanzure> it seems that ! is modified by parenthesis after it
17:03 < kanzure> otherwise it's just a regular bang
17:03 < fenn> otherwise you end up with something like rm trash/ *
17:03 < fenn> which probably isnt what you meant
17:04 < kanzure> rm trash/ * would delete ./* right?
17:04 < fenn> right
17:04 < kanzure> not /*
17:04 < fenn> all the important data is in ~/ anyway
17:05 < fenn> or should be
17:06 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE7D8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
17:06 < kanzure> man bash #grep for GLOBIGNORE
17:06 < fenn> is it just me or is this slightly ridiculous http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/uss-enterprise-bridge-sheet-8.jpg
17:07 < fenn> lists every button and switch http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/uss-enterprise-bridge-sheet-10.jpg
17:08 < fenn> i dont want a filename to ignore, i want a pattern to ignore
17:08 < fenn> otherwise i could just mv foo /tmp; rm *; mv /tmp/foo .
17:09 < fenn> i guess you could do that anyway
17:10 < fenn> i want to be able to automatically generate one of those exploded line drawings from CT x-ray scans
17:11 < fenn> it's gotta be cheaper than paying someone to take it apart and make cad models
17:13 -!- Smari [n=spm@81-15-55-92.du.xdsl.is] has joined #hplusroadmap
17:18 < fenn> i'd like to figure out how to get OCC to do this: http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html
17:21 < fenn> preferably with output in SVG but i realize that may be asking too much
17:41 < kanzure> do CT x-ray scans provide enough information for exploded views?
17:41 < kanzure> don't you usually just see "oh look it's all metal yep" ?
17:51 < kanzure> meredith is complaining about my terrible djangit programming :(
17:52 < kanzure> Smari: did you ever get cia.vc working for your tangiblebit repo?
17:53 < fenn> "I am making here the distinction here between fabrication -the creation of largely monolithic objects- and building or construction -the assembly of an artifact from parts"
17:53 < fenn> i guess i had never actually seen a definiton of "fabrication"
17:53 < kanzure> sounds fine
17:53 < fenn> i always imagined it was bending sheet metal or something
17:54 < kanzure> I grew up in a family that called a semiconductor manufacturing plant "the fab"
17:54 < kanzure> so..
17:54 < fenn> yes i know
17:54 < kanzure> "down at the fab today.. blah blah blah"
17:54 < fenn> but "sheet metal fabrication" is probbly the most common use of the term
17:54 < kanzure> huge explosions, millions of dollars in damages and angry paramedics on too little sleep studying for their midterms
17:55 < fenn> isn't it 100% robotic yet?
17:55 < fenn> hah
17:55 < kanzure> no, not at all- quite the opposite
17:55 < fenn> sad
17:55 < kanzure> they have dedicated "professionals" to each unit operation
17:55 < kanzure> these people know all the quarks of their particular instrument
17:55 < Smari> kanzure, nope, I'm working on it now.
17:55 < fenn> i thought it more or less had to be roboticized because of the cleanliness requirements
17:55 < kanzure> hah hah
17:55 < Smari> kanzure, I didn't have a computer all day... :(
17:55 < fenn> and besides they just do the same thing every day
17:56 < fenn> mask, wash, etch, repeat
17:56 < kanzure> sorry fenn
17:56 < Smari> kanzure, guidance re setting up the update hook?
17:56 < kanzure> ask fenn
17:57 < Smari> uh
17:57 < Smari> must I repeat the question prefixed with 'fenn,'?
17:58 < kanzure> nope
17:58 < kanzure> he has autocorrect installed
17:58 < Smari> hm?
17:59 < fenn> sudo apt-get install cia-clients
17:59 < Smari> oh
17:59 < fenn> cp /usr/share/cia-clients/ciabot_git.pl yourrepo/.git/
17:59 < CIA-73> djangit: kanzure master * r7366fe7 / (69 files in 11 dirs): fix names - http://bit.ly/kgV0E
17:59 < fenn> edit such that xmlrpc = 1 and all the paths are right
18:00 < Smari> paths?
18:01 < fenn> my hooks/post-receive looks like http://pastebin.ca/1499550
18:01 < Smari> ah!
18:01 < Smari> post-receive is smart.
18:01 < fenn> $project = 'skdb';
18:02 < fenn> i think that's all i did
18:02 < fenn> i'm not sure the difference between post-receive and post-commit
18:03 < Smari> post-commit would probably also run on local commits.
18:03 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220.253-197-7.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap
18:03 < kanzure> hey marainein 
18:03 < fenn> sure but i think you'd want that
18:03 < marainein> hey kanzure
18:03 < fenn> it's a moot point if you're monitoring a bare repo (i am)
18:03 < kanzure> marainein: are you meredith?
18:04 < Smari> fenn, not if it's a server that isn't supposed to be touched in any other way.
18:04 < marainein> what's our topic of discussion?
18:04 < marainein> kanzure: i certainly hope not
18:04 < kanzure> marainein: right now we're doing some debugging of various bullshit
18:04 < kanzure> marainein: but usually it's something along the lines of world domination
18:04 < fenn> extracting cad diagrams from x-ray CT scans
18:04 -!- maradydd [n=mlp@88.147.8.73] has joined #hplusroadmap
18:04 < fenn> how to set up automatic notification of changes to git-repos
18:04 < kanzure> maradydd: hey
18:04 < maradydd> oi
18:05 < kanzure> maradydd: so, can you paste that path again?
18:05  * maradydd brings some of belgium's finest
18:05 < marainein> ct scans of anything in particular?
18:05 < fenn> blueberry beer?
18:05 < maradydd> mm right hold on
18:05 < maradydd> so, after some fiddling, i have got djangit working, looking at itself :P
18:05 < Smari> Hmm.
18:06 < maradydd> however the archive and history images are broken
18:06 < Smari> Just committed.
18:06 < Smari> bot isn't doing stuff.
18:06 < fenn> marainein: stuff to be inputted into skdb
18:06 < Smari> Where would I see debug report?
18:06 < maradydd> the archive images resides at ./templates/djangit-static/static/images/archive.png
18:06 < fenn> smari did you get any errors?
18:06 < Smari> fenn, I'm asking where I would see errors.
18:07 < fenn> after pushing, post-receive should complain
18:07 < maradydd> the browser's looking for the image at http://127.0.0.1:8080/static/images/archive.png
18:07 < kanzure> fenn: http://heybryan.org/school/History/World History/The Riellian Belgian Waffle Theory.html
18:07 < Smari> fenn, Would it complain back through the SSH pipe or into a file?
18:07 < fenn> uh. pipe? are you just in a shell?
18:07 < fenn> i guess it would go to stderr
18:07 < Smari> I'm on my local computer..
18:07 < maradydd> this would seem to work, particularly since we search/replaced some stray instances of pydjangitwiki with djangit :P
18:07 < Smari> and I say "git push"
18:08 < Smari> and it pushes up to tangiblebit.com
18:08 < kanzure> maradydd: hold on, let me test
18:08 < kanzure> maradydd: did you pull from me?
18:08 < fenn> Smari: yes the error message should be visible
18:08 < kanzure> maradydd: git pull git://github.com/kanzure/djangit.git
18:08 < Smari> fenn, well, in that case, no error.
18:08 < maradydd> nope did the s/r myself. did you do something else too?
18:08  * maradydd pulls and finds out!
18:09 < kanzure> maradydd: didn't do much else.
18:09 < kanzure> maradydd: the traceback from my latest version seems to claim that the view that is being selected is the 'view' view
18:09 < kanzure> but this is completely wrong
18:10 < Smari> fenn, but nothing happened either.
18:10 < Smari> which is disappointing.
18:10 < maradydd> i get an error about the print.css file being overwritten by merge
18:10 < fenn> you set $project = 'skdb'; and $xmlrpc = 1; in the ciabot_git.pl right?
18:10 < kanzure> maradydd: actually I think it's supposed to be djangit-static not just /static/
18:10 < kanzure> maradydd: print.css should not have been touched by me
18:10 < kanzure> maradydd: maybe you replaced some crap in there?
18:11 < maradydd> well there's djangit-static/static/images/archive.whatever
18:11 < maradydd> no i haven't touched css at all
18:11 < kanzure> maradydd: try this: http://localhost:8080/djangit-static/static/images/archive.png
18:11 < kanzure> that works for me
18:12  * maradydd floods you with error in im
18:12 < kanzure> maradydd: cd templates/ ; git add print.css; git commit -m'some commit message'; git pull #try again
18:12 < kanzure> er, sorry
18:13 < kanzure> cd templates/djangit-static/ ; git add print.css; git commit #etc.
18:13 < Smari> fenn, suggestions?
18:14  * maradydd does same dance for reset.css
18:14 < kanzure> reset.css too?
18:14 < kanzure> what's the diff on those files? I haven't touched them.
18:15 < fenn> Smari: try running the ciabot with fake values and see if it does anything
18:16 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure test * rmaster /pymates/ERRORS: removed errors
18:16 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure this is fenn fucking around with ciabot_git.pl * rmaster /pymates/ERRORS: removed errors
18:17 < fenn> apparently ciabot_git.pl expects a commit as the first argument, and master defaults to the last commit
18:17 < fenn> or something like that
18:18 < fenn> i.e. ./ciabot_git.pl master test
18:18 < kanzure> Smari: you dead?
18:18 < maradydd> hey, now there's a new error
18:18 < maradydd> there was a lot of stuff i had to do git add with
18:18 < maradydd> that was weird, why did that happen
18:19 < kanzure> how did you get those files in the first place if they weren't added?
18:19  * fenn loves how marainein and maradydd both show up as red
18:19 < kanzure> fenn discriminates by color apparently
18:19 < fenn> IRC with extreme prejudice
18:19 < maradydd> beats me
18:20 < marainein> what have we done to earn redness?
18:20 < maradydd> red is my favourite colour
18:20 < fenn> marainein: nickcolor.pl in irssi
18:20 < kanzure> maradydd: did you commit the initialization fixes?
18:21 < fenn> marainein: i guess it does some kind of random hash of your name to pick the color
18:21 < maradydd> erm not yet
18:21 < kanzure> maradydd: yeah look at urls.py if there's a merge conflict.
18:21 < kanzure> maradydd: that one is kind of important to not avoid
18:21 < maradydd> right, how do i look at the different versions that conflict
18:21 < kanzure> it should be in the file itself
18:22 < kanzure> if you open up the file you will see indicators for where there were conflicts
18:22 < fenn> git status should show "merge:"
18:22 < kanzure> then you make the corrections that you want, and then you commit it (I think)
18:22 < maradydd> i don't see anything that looks like a conflict indicator
18:23  * maradydd tries git status
18:23 < kanzure> are you on linux?
18:23 < maradydd> ubuntu
18:23 < kanzure> error: Entry 'urls.py' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
18:23 < kanzure> fatal: merging of trees 684ac2704430fa1140828ec8caaa39918356008d and 874854e6116fb2cce99785d6782ff0a20b3c2679 failed
18:23 < kanzure> Merge with strategy recursive failed.
18:23 < fenn> it just looks like <<<<  ==== >>>>
18:23 < Smari> fenn, what are acceptable dummy values?
18:23 < kanzure> Smari: for project_name use "skdb"
18:23 < fenn> Smari: ./ciabot_git.pl master test
18:24 < CIA-73> Tangiblebit: spm test * rmaster /tangiblebit.com/doc/object_properties.txt: More test
18:24 < Smari> Ah!
18:24 < kanzure> yay
18:24 < Smari> Works.
18:24 < fenn> so must be something wrong with whatever is calling it
18:24 < maradydd> yeah, i saw nothing that looked like that
18:24 < kanzure> maradydd: what about 'git status', did that tell you anything?
18:25 < fenn> i wonder how to get rid of the 'r' before the revision number
18:25 < fenn> er, abbreviated SHA
18:25 < Smari> http://pastebin.ca/1499564  <-- my post-receive.
18:26 < kanzure> Smari: why do you have "/var/www/skdb.git/" in there?
18:26 < fenn> /var/www/skdb.git/ciabot_git.pl probably doesnt exist on your system
18:26 < maradydd> ok *now* i should have some conflicts
18:26 < maradydd> finally
18:26 < kanzure> maradydd: what did you do to fix?
18:26 < maradydd> i had to add the changes i'd made
18:26 < Smari> Uh
18:26 < Smari> I don't.
18:26 < kanzure> maradydd: ah right
18:26 < Smari> Hey
18:26  * maradydd is still working out this whole dvcs thing
18:26 < Smari> That's not my post
18:26 < fenn> (that really should have been a relative path but i couldnt figure out where the script was running from)
18:27 < Smari> http://pastebin.ca/1499565  -- that's my script!
18:28 < kanzure> Smari: is your script chmodded correctly?
18:28 < Smari> yes
18:28 < kanzure> ciabot_git.pl too?
18:28 < Smari> yes
18:29 < kanzure> Smari: can you do an "echo" on post commit or something just to see if that works?
18:29 < kanzure> or not an echo, maybe " echo 'blah' > /tmp/somefile " and then check if that file is updated or not in /tmp
18:30 < maradydd> bryan, this has printf type debugging shit in it, i'm sorry :P
18:30 < kanzure> maradydd: my code?
18:30 < kanzure> I am not liable for anything I write
18:30 < kanzure> I guarantee nothing
18:30 < Smari> the hook simply isn't firing.
18:30 < maradydd> no, the crap i'm committing to be able to deal with empty repos
18:31 < kanzure> oh :p
18:31 < kanzure> well then we'll just have to hang you
18:31 < maradydd> it's like a fifth of the way done or something
18:31 < maradydd> i'll finish it though
18:31 < fenn> Smari: what's the absolute path of your hook?
18:31 < Smari> /home/git/tangiblebit.git/hooks/post-receive
18:32 < maradydd> grf, all this shit because we had to rename a stupid directory -_-
18:32 < kanzure> maradydd: oh btw you should have used "git mv" for the directory
18:32  * fenn blames kanzure for not slavishly following my suggestions immediately
18:33 < kanzure> hey, pydjangitwiki was a brilliant name
18:33 < maradydd> ok i seem to now be up to date
18:33 < maradydd> oh thanks now that i finally got it :P
18:33 < kanzure> no problem
18:33 < kanzure> any time
18:33  * maradydd reboots server on localhost
18:34 < kanzure> is this it? git://github.com/abiggerhammer/djangit.git
18:34 < kanzure> it hasn't been updated in 2 days apparently
18:35 < Smari> kanzure, your ability to name things is horribly poor.
18:35 < kanzure> I was thinking of naming my first born "Zeus, God of Thunder"
18:35 < fenn> you ought to see his perl scripts..
18:35 < kanzure> it's impeccable. it's so good that you can't even recognize the genius.
18:36 < kanzure> fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/scripts ?
18:36 < fenn> yes hang on, i was finding a suitably embarrassing line
18:36 < kanzure> ack
18:36 < maradydd> yeah, that one's mine
18:37 < maradydd> i haven't pushed it out i guess
18:37 < maradydd> but something's still wrong
18:37 < maradydd> the image is being looked for at 127.0.0.0/static/images/archive.png instead of 127.0.0.1/djangit-static/static/images/archive.png
18:39  * maradydd tweaks templates/index.html
18:39 < Smari> fenn, this ain't working!!
18:39 < Smari> be fixink!
18:40 < maradydd> ah there we are. much better.
18:41 < kanzure> good.
18:41 < kanzure> push?
18:41 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@98.214.96.63] has quit []
18:41  * maradydd has just pushed
18:42  * kanzure pulled 
18:42 < kanzure> oh your right the URLs were wrong in index.html
18:42 < fenn> smari i dont know what to tell you; maybe try pushing to a repo on the same machine?
18:42 < maradydd> the history, it does nothing
18:43 < fenn> and see if it calls post-receive
18:43 < kanzure> maradydd: the history view isn't implemented IIRC
18:43 < kanzure> oh wait.
18:43 < kanzure> yeah, history_data isn't being used in history.html
18:43 < maradydd> mk
18:43 < kanzure> so just add this to history.html 
18:43 < kanzure> {{ history_data }}
18:44 < kanzure> in the future this can be expanded to actually process the data and make it pretty
18:44 < kanzure> (like in index.html)
18:44 < kanzure> index.html line 21 and line 34 for instance
18:44 < Smari> fenn, I have confirmed that the hook isn't triggered...
18:44 < fenn> Smari: but why would that happen?
18:44 < maradydd> nor is ... the default view of any versioned directory?
18:45 < kanzure> maradydd: well.. not quite.. that's just really because my URLs are all messed up.
18:45 < Smari> I haven't a clue.
18:45 < kanzure> maradydd: that's because of problems with urls.py
18:45 < maradydd> where do i add {{ history_data }} to history.html?
18:45 < kanzure> maradydd: meh anywhere for now
18:45 < kanzure> preferably within the content block
18:45 < fenn> Smari: what if you do a different hook, post-commit for example
18:46 < maradydd> hah see that was the real question
18:46 < Smari> Oh I am a dumbass.
18:47 < kanzure> it would be awesome if somebody more knowledgable about these things could figure out how to fix urls.py .. all of the URLs suck so much and there are all sorts of conflicts between the regular expressions.
18:47 < CIA-73> Tangiblebit: spm * r3c727e4c67c3 /tangiblebit.com/doc/object_properties.txt: A!
18:47 < kanzure> that looks like it worked, Smari 
18:47 < Smari> Yes
18:47 < Smari> kanzure, you were right on the money.
18:47 < fenn> so, was it the filename spelled wrong or bad permissions?
18:47 < maradydd> nerp it's 404
18:47 < Smari> I didn't notice that hooks need to be +x to fire
18:47 < maradydd> but it's looking for /icons/history
18:47 < maradydd> and i can't imagine that being right
18:47 < kanzure> yeah the link is crap
18:47 < kanzure> maradydd: look at line 29 and line 30 in history.html
18:47 < maradydd> what should it be
18:48 < kanzure> maradydd: it should be linking to href="somefilename/history"
18:48 < fenn> huh i would have expected you'd get a "Permission denied"
18:48 < maradydd> 29 and 30 what? history.html is like 15 lines long
18:48 < kanzure> maradydd: sorry. my mistake.
18:48 < kanzure> maradydd: in index.html
18:48 < kanzure> which is where you have the links and history icons
18:48 < Smari> fenn, no, git apparently checks if hooks are +x, if they are, fires them, if not, nothing.
18:48 < fenn> weird
18:49 < maradydd> o ok
18:49 < Smari> seems like slightly superfluous functionality.
18:49 < Smari> but nevermind
18:49 < Smari> it works
18:49 < Smari> Now I can get some real work done.
18:49 < kanzure> so it's either the right name and it's correct, or it's the wrong name and it wouldn't matter anywhere
18:49 < kanzure> yeah, superfluous.
18:49 < maradydd> yeh the href is to /icons/archive
18:49 < maradydd> where ought that go to
18:49 < kanzure> maradydd: filename/archive
18:49 < kanzure> or filename/history
18:52 < kanzure> now theoretically I was going to add some matrix math stuff to skdb/pymates/pymates.py about.. three hours ago. but that hasn't happened for some reason.
18:52 < kanzure> what have I been doing
18:52 < fenn> typing a lot
18:52 < Smari> I want to set up so that people can clone through http?
18:52 < kanzure> Smari: just put the .git somewhere accessible by http
18:53 < Smari> ah
18:53 < fenn> and then run git update-server-info
18:54 < fenn> i guess you could also add that to post-update hook
18:54 < kanzure> but that would be smartr
18:54 < fenn> it breaks things for large repos, supposedly
18:54 < fenn> people have to download files they already have etc
18:54 < fenn> when updating
18:55 < fenn> i dont really understand what update-server-info does anyway
18:56 < fenn> i wonder if i should add these to taxonomy.yaml: http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Source_Manufacturing_Tools#Fabrication_Technologies
18:56 < kanzure> it's not easy to see which parts of the tree you haven't implemented
18:56 < kanzure> er, haven't written down already
18:57 < maradydd> pushed
18:57 < fenn> pretty sure free-form glassmaking isnt on there
18:57 < maradydd> so now i gotta work out how to make my commits announce on channel too eh?
18:57  * maradydd goes back to bryan's instructions
18:58 < maradydd> oh ghc6.10 finished building yay
18:59 < kanzure> maradydd: the project name is 'djangit'. github should automagically know that though.
18:59 < Smari> http://tangiblebit.com/tangiblebit.git/  yay
18:59 < kanzure> so you just have to press a button somewhere
18:59 < kanzure> er a checkbox
18:59 < kanzure> Smari: thanks
19:00 < Smari> Use the SSH if you have it, for pushing privs.
19:01 < kanzure> yeah I still have remote-origin configured for my copy of tangiblebit
19:01  * kanzure pulled. only got tangiblebit.com/doc/object_properties.txt changed though.
19:02 < Smari> yeah
19:02 < Smari> I haven't changed anything since last night
19:02 < kanzure> what a slacker
19:02 < Smari> kanzure, stfu
19:02 < kanzure> haha
19:02 < kanzure> it's all in good fun.
19:03 < Smari> yes
19:03 < maradydd> ok, so i'm at the service hooks page
19:03 < kanzure> maradydd: scroll down to CIA on the left
19:03 < kanzure> click it. then it will load a page with a checkbox. click it. then click 'submit'.
19:04 < maradydd> ok
19:04 < kanzure> click click click. now test I guess.
19:05 < maradydd> oh this cia.vc thing is kinda pimp
19:05 < maradydd> it's like twitter for version control
19:05 < CIA-73> skdb: fenn * r39f0f0246bc4 /taxonomy.yaml: more processes to be assimilated into the taxonomy; many are redundant or irrelevant
19:05 < CIA-73> skdb: fenn * r1885c301f968 /pymates/ERRORS: Merge branch 'master' of adl.serveftp.org:/var/www/skdb
19:05 < maradydd> brian warner must be shitting himself :)
19:05 < kanzure> who?
19:05 < fenn> does cia do twitter?
19:05 < kanzure> I sure hope not
19:06 < fenn> http://twitter.com/Cia
19:06 < maradydd> the guy who does buildbot
19:06 < fenn> guh. oops
19:07 < Smari> Hm
19:07 < CIA-73> djangit: Meredith L. Patterson master * rc20c5d9 / (templates/history.html templates/index.html): fixed urls to archive and history; history now shows dump of data - http://bit.ly/bx7WJ
19:07 < kanzure> yay
19:08 < Smari> Since I'm playing with these hooks, I'm going to make a script that tweets changes to the tangiblebit git.
19:08 < fenn> i'm sort of surprised cia doesn't do twitter already
19:08 < kanzure> maradydd: to pull from me regularly, you could do this: git remote add bryan git://github.com/kanzure/djangit.git
19:08 < kanzure> maradydd: and then you can do things like "git pull bryan master" and not have to remember anything else
19:09 < maradydd> done. will do in future. thx.
19:09 < maradydd> i'm going to put up some sort of rudimentary display in history.html
19:09 < kanzure> that would be useful
19:09 < kanzure> I was expecting users to just scry so that they could see the past, present and future of the file
19:09 < kanzure> but a history view also works..
19:09 < maradydd> then im going to shift focus to some other work i have going on
19:10 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying
19:10 < kanzure> github has twitter
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19:11 < kanzure> oh they only let you do one post-commit hook at a time
19:11 < kanzure> oh, nevermind
19:12 < Smari> haha
19:12 < kanzure> I disabled CIA on skdb on github, that's right
19:13 < maradydd> uh, that wikipedia link goes to a page about magic mirrors and shit
19:13 < kanzure> yeah it's magic mind reading
19:13 < kanzure> I was joking..
19:13 < kanzure> scrying is a scam
19:14 < fenn> you just dont know how to do it right
19:14 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychomanteum
19:15 < fenn> HQ also needs rows of sensory deprivation tanks
19:16 < kanzure> can we come up with a better name than HQ?
19:16 < kanzure> "the fortress of solitude"?
19:17 < kanzure> ok nm
19:17 < fenn> that's like, polar bears and shit
19:28 < CIA-73> djangit: Meredith L. Patterson master * rd624e64 / templates/history.html : Rudimentary history view, ugly, link goes nowhere, timestamps broken - http://bit.ly/14wfKl
19:28 < CIA-73> Tangiblebit: spm * r7a77371c6c51 /tangiblebit.com/doc/manufacturing_processes.txt: Added manufacturing process list.
19:29  * maradydd highfives kanzure
19:29 < kanzure> maradydd: huh?
19:29 < kanzure> what's up?
19:30 < CIA-73> djangit: Meredith L. Patterson master * rd624e64 / templates/history.html : Rudimentary history view, ugly, link goes nowhere, timestamps broken - http://bit.ly/zYaqq
19:30 < kanzure> oh fooey
19:30 < kanzure> why can't it recognize the same SHA and not send that message?
19:31 < maradydd> oh, that's kind of annoying
19:32 < CIA-73> Tangiblebit: spm * r807c848c9467 /tangiblebit.com/doc/manufacturing_processes.txt: ..
19:32 < Smari> Sorry for the tangiblebit spam.
19:32 < Smari> I'm trying something.
19:32 < kanzure> we're not complaining
19:34 < Smari> It was a prophylactic statement.
19:36 < maradydd> ok i'm taking a break
19:36 < maradydd> i did a goodish deed today
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19:37 < genehacker_> hq sounds pretty good to me
19:37 < genehacker_> mirc died
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19:37 < genehacker2> oh wait it works
19:38 < genehacker2> you have a sensory deprivation tank?
19:41 < CIA-73> Tangiblebit: spm * r492cdcc4b668 /tangiblebit.com/doc/manufacturing_processes.txt: Arr
19:44 < Smari> Yay.
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19:48 < Smari> Now @tangiblebit :P
19:50 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * ra00eeea3d264 /pymates/notes: added more matrix math notes
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20:26 < kanzure> what is the 4x4 matrix called?
20:26 < kanzure> if I was going to give it a variable name
20:26 < kanzure> is there something that would make sense?
20:29 < genehacker2> a 4x4 matrix
20:29 < kanzure> right, for coordinate transforms
20:29 < genehacker2> quad
20:29 < kanzure> isn't that generic?
20:29 < genehacker2> I don't think so
20:29 < genehacker2> hold on 
20:29 < genehacker2> let me dig out my mat book
20:30 < genehacker2> we skipped coordinate transforms...
20:30 < bkero> quadrix?
20:30 < bkero> radix?
20:31 < genehacker2> can't find
20:32 < genehacker2> howabout BK-quadruple stacker
20:33 < genehacker2> it's just a variable name
20:33 < genehacker2> it doesn't matter that much
20:33 < fenn> transform woo
20:33 < genehacker2> transform_woo
20:33 < kanzure> superthingy2
20:34 < fenn> woo was an expletive
20:34 < genehacker2> quadtransform
20:34 < kanzure> you can stop
20:35 < genehacker2> ok
20:39 < genehacker2> ugh
20:39 < genehacker2> firefox is dieing
20:40 < genehacker2> first PDF reader dies now flashplayer is dyinh
20:40 < genehacker2> first PDF reader dies now flashplayer is dying
20:42 < kanzure> why are you reading PDFs in a browser?
20:42 < genehacker2> and I can't access the control panel wtf
20:42 < genehacker2> I'm not anymore
20:42 < kanzure> use opera
20:42 < genehacker2> I am
20:43 < genehacker2> something's wrong with my sound
20:43 < bkero> lolwindows
20:43 < genehacker2> what's that?
20:43 < fenn> i thought you were using ubuntu
20:44 < genehacker2> the SCRAM system is jammed too?
20:44 < genehacker2> shit that's bad
20:45 < genehacker2> core is getting hot
20:45 < fenn> eject the antimatter before it goes supercritical
20:45 < genehacker2> do you really think I have antimatter?
20:45 < genehacker2> heh
20:45 < genehacker2> I got a David Kahn style reactor
20:46 < bkero> suckers
20:47 < bkero> Those have nothing on my Munchhaussen reactor.
20:47 < genehacker2> the reason I'm not using ubuntu is because ubuntu isn't compatible with my wireless card
20:47 < bkero> what wireless card?
20:48 < kanzure> you'd be surprised. it probably is compatible.
20:48 < genehacker2> munchhaussen's isn't that a disease?
20:48 < bkero> Er
20:49 < genehacker2> characterized by faking illness or something like that
20:49 < bkero> wikipedia baron von munchhaussen
20:49 < genehacker2> ok
20:50 < genehacker2> well my soundcard's probably gone to hell
20:52 < genehacker2> kanzure wireless card is definately not supported
20:52 < genehacker2> ndiswrapper GET
20:53 < kanzure> ndiswrapper works very well
20:53 < genehacker2> how do I install it if I don't have internet in ubuntu?
20:53 < kanzure> do you have an ethernet port?
20:53 < fenn> sneakernet
20:53 < kanzure> or thumbdrive
20:54 < genehacker2> no ethernet
20:54 < fenn> lazy bum
20:54 < kanzure> I find that hard to believe
20:54 < kanzure> how could there be no ethernet port?
20:54 < kanzure> do you know what ethernet jacks look like
20:54 < genehacker2> room mate's having a party right now
20:55 < genehacker2> the room the ethernet port is in is in usage
20:55 < kanzure> get a router
20:55 < kanzure> or a switch
20:55 < kanzure> a switch may be cheaper
20:56 < genehacker2> how big is ndiswrapper?
20:56 < fenn> how about a long ethernet cable
20:57 < kanzure> ndiswrapper shouldn't be that large
20:57 < kanzure> but, it should already be installed on ubuntu
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20:57 < kanzure> what you need to get is your driver
20:57 < kanzure> bah
20:57 < kanzure> fine, don't listen to me
20:57 < kanzure> how could there not be a guy on campus to help him with this?
21:03 < kanzure> "Angiography is a test in which a physician threads a catheter (a thin flexible tube) to the artery to be studied, injecting a contrast agent, ..."
21:03 < kanzure> magnetic resonance angiography too
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21:03 < cam3845> ok got it to work
21:03 -!- cam3845 is now known as genehacker
21:03 < genehacker> back
21:04 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cerebral_angiography,_arteria_vertebralis_sinister_injection.JPG
21:04 < kanzure> got what to work?
21:05 < genehacker> sinister injection
21:05 < genehacker> ??
21:05 < Smari> Oh I just had the most perverse idea.
21:06 < bkero> Do we want to hear it?
21:07 < kanzure> #hplusroadmap can get fairly perverse
21:07 < bkero> penises?
21:07 < genehacker> if it's more perverse than /b/ 
21:07 < genehacker> I'll be surprised
21:07 < kanzure> gurochan?
21:07 < genehacker> I puked in my mouth
21:07 < Smari> Imagine you've got a computer game... a detective game of somesort, doesn't really matter, except, you know, have it set in 1993 or so... and in one of the scenes you have the character come across a computer that may contain files. Here's where it gets good. When you click on the computer or whatever, you see the interface, but what you've actually got is an instance of Virtualbox or something running Windows 3.11, and you can actually do anyth
21:07 < Smari> ing within that environment.
21:08 < kanzure> Smari: yeah I thought something like that already exists?
21:08 < Smari> I wouldn't know, I don't play computer games.
21:08 < fenn> the other day on TV someone was running windows in a virtual machine in MovieOS
21:08 < genehacker> mouse is all weird
21:08 < kanzure> genehacker: you can speed it up
21:08 < kanzure> genehacker: are you in gnome?
21:08 < genehacker> it feels weird when I touch the pad
21:08 < genehacker> no it's too fast
21:08 < kanzure> genehacker: if you are in gnome you can go to System->Settings->
21:08 < kanzure> yeah you can slow it down
21:08 < genehacker> pad feels slippery
21:09 < genehacker> I know that
21:09 < Smari> It's just such a delightfully messed up concept... I mean, I can imagine that one of the first things people would do is try to find a way to install Linux on the computer in-game.
21:09 < genehacker> adapting....
21:09 < kanzure> Smari: the trick is figuring out how to make good NPCs or non-playable characters
21:09 < kanzure> Smari: so, I got into programming via video games
21:09 < kanzure> Smari: so when I began writing video games, I got bored quickly
21:10 < kanzure> Smari: so I started to get interested in randomly generated content
21:10 < kanzure> including randomly generated stories, maps, quests, non-playable characters, sprites, etc.
21:10 < genehacker> heh
21:10 < genehacker> that doesn't always work too well doesn't it?
21:10 < kanzure> actually Aristotle had an algorithm for coming up with story frameworks
21:10 < kanzure> so I was starting to implement that
21:11 < kanzure> and the idea was to separate the game engine from the representation
21:11 < kanzure> so that the user could play in text mode (interactive fiction), over the web (django), or 2D, or 3D, etc.
21:11 < genehacker> aristotle?
21:11 < kanzure> yes
21:11 < fenn> is that like "plato"?
21:12 < genehacker> the person?
21:12 < kanzure> yes the person
21:12 < kanzure> The Aristotle
21:12 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLATO_(computer_system)
21:12 < genehacker> link to algo?
21:12 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythos_(Aristotle)
21:12 < kanzure> um. hm.
21:13 < Smari> kanzure, mhm. I like the idea of making computer games, and I like games with very open parameter spaces (tabletop RPG's for example), but I don't play computer games much... it happens every now and then, normally about one week per year. I suddenly think, "hm, I'd like to play X." then I play X for a solid week, and then I spend the following week trying to reimplement it in whichever programming language strikes my phant'sy.
21:13 < genehacker> now why isn't flash working?
21:13 < kanzure> oh there was something I was working on a few weeks ago
21:13 < kanzure> genehacker: it's probably not installed, are you on ubuntu?
21:13 < kanzure> Smari: there was this nice game written in python+pygame called "vecron" or "velcron"
21:13 < kanzure> it was a randomly generated 2D asteroids clone
21:13 < kanzure> but with enemies and a terrain/map
21:14 < kanzure> I added a shoot-through-walls feature, but it kind of sucks because I didn't spend enough time on it
21:14 < genehacker> installed it
21:15 < kanzure> how?
21:15 < genehacker> .deb
21:15 < kanzure> which one?
21:15 < bkero> win 22
21:16 < kanzure> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
21:16 < kanzure> that might help
21:16 < kanzure> maybe it was Plato that I was thinking of
21:16 < kanzure> hm
21:16 < genehacker> hold on implementing random walk search algorithm
21:16 < kanzure> ?
21:17 < genehacker> that's what I did
21:17 < kanzure> ok just not sure which deb you used
21:17 < kanzure> there's a way to install it for firefox specifically
21:19 < genehacker> got it
21:20 < genehacker> works much better than winblows
21:20 < genehacker> now just tell me how to access files from winblows
21:20 < genehacker> and my transformation will be complete
21:21 < kanzure> try /media
21:21 < genehacker> where?
21:21 < kanzure> open up your file browser 
21:21 < kanzure> and type /media in the address bar
21:21 < kanzure> or just type /
21:21 < kanzure> and look around for stuff like: mnt, host, media
21:21 < genehacker> got it
21:21 < kanzure> it will be in one of those
21:22 < genehacker> nope
21:23 < genehacker> not there
21:23 < kanzure> ok open up a terminal
21:23 < kanzure> type cd /
21:23 < kanzure> then type ls -1
21:23 < kanzure> then tell me what you see
21:24 < genehacker> bin
21:24 < kanzure> is that all?
21:24 < genehacker> no
21:24 < genehacker> there's a bunch
21:25 < kanzure> do you see mnt, media, or host?
21:25 < genehacker> media
21:25 < genehacker> yes
21:25 < kanzure> type "cd media"
21:25 < kanzure> then type ls -1
21:25 < kanzure> then tell me what you see
21:25 < genehacker> but in media is only cd rom
21:25 < kanzure> okay, go back and see what's after media
21:26 < genehacker> it's in host
21:26 < kanzure> there you go
21:26 < kanzure> genehacker: you may want to read about pgp and how ssh works
21:27 < genehacker> there's nothing in my docs?
21:27 < kanzure> what path? to see your path type "pwd"
21:28 < genehacker> nvm adapted
21:29 < genehacker> blarg alibre doesn't work with linux
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21:30 < kanzure> genehacker: have you tried running it with wine?
21:31 < genehacker> now
21:31 < genehacker> no
21:31 < kanzure> wine lets you run (some) windows programs in linux
21:31 < kanzure> wine is "wine is not an emulator"
21:32 < genehacker> can wine run on windows?
21:33 < kanzure> what would that do?
21:33 < kanzure> wine runs windows apps, so if you're on windows, you should just run them anyway
21:34 < genehacker> no but is it possible?
21:35 < genehacker> well I'll be damned
21:35 < kanzure> try cygwin I guess
21:35 < kanzure> but I wouldn't recommend it
21:35 < genehacker> open office works with that weird vista format
21:36 < genehacker> so how do I get wine to work?
21:36 < kanzure> sudo apt-get install wine
21:36 < genehacker> ok
21:44 < genehacker> now time to pimp ubuntu
21:45 < kanzure>     raise LinAlgError, 'Singular matrix'
21:45 < kanzure> [[0 0 0 0]..]
21:46 < kanzure> [[ 0  0  0  0] [ 0  0  0 10] [ 1  1  1  0] [ 0  0  0  1]]
21:48 < kanzure> ok yep 
21:50 < kanzure> import numpy
21:50 < kanzure> numpy.matrix([[1, 0, 0, 0], [0, 1, 0, 0], [0, 0, 1, 0], [0, 0, 0, 1]]).I
21:50 < kanzure> works. don't get a 'singular matrix' error
21:53 < kanzure> histoplasmosis
22:05 < kanzure> T = A * B.I
22:05 < kanzure> A = B * T
22:05 < kanzure> but I have this backwards
22:05 < kanzure> in the code, my "A" is really #2
22:05 < kanzure> er..
22:06 < fenn> B^-1
22:06 < fenn> is how you say the inverse
22:06 < kanzure> B^-1 = B.I in numpy
22:06 < fenn> oh
22:08 < kanzure> but my T is actually being calculated as B * A.I
22:19 < kanzure> OCC.gp.gp_Ax3(o_point, o_n_vec, o_vx_vec)
22:20 < kanzure> o_point = OCC.gp.gp_Pnt(point[0], point[1], point[2])
22:20 < kanzure> 141     o_n_vec = OCC.gp.gp_Dir(i[0], i[1], i[2])
22:20 < kanzure> 142     o_vx_vec = OCC.gp.gp_Dir(j[0], j[1], j[2])
22:20 < kanzure> 143     ax3 = OCC.gp.gp_Ax3(o_point, o_n_vec, o_vx_vec)
22:20 < kanzure> 144     the_transform = OCC.gp.gp_Trsf()
22:20 < kanzure> 145     the_transform.SetTransformation(ax3)
22:20 < kanzure> 146     the_toploc = OCC.TopLoc.TopLoc_Location(the_transform)
22:22 < kanzure> OCC.gp.gp_Trsf(ax3) ?
22:23 < kanzure> todo: irssi + bpython integration
22:24 < CIA-73> skdb: kanzure * r88bfb288ad4d /pymates/ (models/blockhole.yaml notes pymates.py): almost got coordinate transforms rolling
22:32 < kanzure> illegal medical stuff? doing stuff in the u.s. a good idea or not?
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22:36 < genehacker> heheh
22:39 < kanzure> "we synthesized 500 pounds of modafinil in menlo park today" --HQ twitter feed, 2010. RIP.
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22:47 < bkero> lol
22:48 < bkero> Modafinil is the medical name of provigil, isn't it?
22:53 < kanzure> electrical infrastructure
22:53 < kanzure> shipping container modular design
22:53 < kanzure> pallets
22:53 < QuantumG> Modafinil used in a randomized double-blind study showed that normal healthy volunteers between the ages of 30-44 showed general improvement in alertness as well as mood. In the three-day study, counterbalanced, randomized, crossover, inpatient trial of modafinil 400 mg was administered as well as a placebo to the control group. The conclusion demonstrated that modafinil may have general mood-elevating effects in particular for the adjunctive use
22:53 < QuantumG>  in treatment-resistant depression.
22:54 < QuantumG> translation: Google puts it in the water cooler.
22:55 < bkero> kanzure: you mean like http://www.sun.com/emrkt/blackbox/story.jsp
22:58 < kanzure> multi-connector backend for pneumatics, hydraulics, electricity, fiber optics, 
22:59 < kanzure> pallets in shipping containers
23:06 < kanzure> are all containers welded together?
23:13 < kanzure> cost of SU8?
23:13 < kanzure> resolution?
23:19 < kanzure> "we get to tell you what's not going to happen in terms of transhumanist technologies.. unless you can tell us how. otherwise, we're going to go work on it"
23:27 < kanzure> get list of projects from papers@postbiota.org
23:32 < kanzure> Direct confinement of individual viruses within polyethylene glycol (PEG) nanowells 
23:36 < kanzure> gene silencing via light
23:37 < kanzure> purely protein pluripotency (stem cells)
23:37 < kanzure> natural competence of e.coli
23:37 < kanzure> genetic transformation via pollen
23:37 < kanzure> DNA gun (converted .22 caliber gun)
23:37 < kanzure> genetically encoded fluorescent sensors of membrane potential
23:37 < kanzure> MagA (MRI tag)
23:37 < kanzure> *reporter tag
23:38 < kanzure> mechanosensitive ion channels (activated mechanically- like through magnetically guided particles)
23:38 < bkero> Haha man, Reno 911 is good.
23:39 < kanzure> Production of recombinant proteins in plant root exudates 
23:41 < kanzure> The bladder as a bioreactor - urothelium production and secretion of growth hormone into urine  
23:41 < kanzure> The mammary gland - bioreactor for the production of recombinant proteins  
23:41 < kanzure> Towards a Spiderman suit - large invisible cables and self-cleaning releasable superadhesive materials  
23:41 < kanzure> Chaperonins govern growth of Escherichia coli at low temperatures 
23:41 < kanzure> Emergence of novel color vision in mice engineered to express a human cone photopigment  
23:42 < kanzure> Mammalian expression of infrared fluorescent proteins engineered from a bacterial phytochrome  
23:42 < kanzure>  Rapid evolution of novel traits in microorganisms  
23:42 < kanzure> retrosynthetic analysis
23:45 < kanzure> Visualization of targeted transduction by engineered lentiviral vectors 
23:46 < kanzure> Do-it-yourself microelectrophoresis chips with integrated sample recovery 
23:46 < kanzure> Integration of microcolumns and microfluidic fractionators on multitasking centrifugal microfluidic platforms for the analysis of biomolecules 
23:46 < kanzure> Kidney-targeted naked DNA transfer by retrograde renal vein injection in rats  
23:47 < kanzure> rapamycin
23:47 < kanzure> Resistance to diet-induced obesity in mice with synthetic glyoxylate shunt  
23:47 < kanzure> total synthesis of rapamycin
23:49 < kanzure> git remote add some_name bryan@adl.serveftp... master
23:50 < kanzure> git pull some_name
23:51 < CIA-73> skdb:  * r3a4096a211a7 /trans-tech: ideas for h+
23:51 < CIA-73> skdb:  * r708b55cca80b / (21 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
23:58 < CIA-73> skdb:  * r51ea97c09a0c / (trans-tech trans-tech.yaml): make it load as yaml