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03:07 < ybit> http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ronf/MFI/mfi-papers.html
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08:18 < kanzure> does anyone know of any neurosci papers re: "the ability to follow conversations/discussions"?
08:22 < kanzure> I guess the 2001 study "Making sense during conversation: an fMRI study" is somewhat close. 
08:27 < kanzure> ah they call it "discourse comprehension"
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08:37 < katsmeow-afk> Results 1 - 10 of about 71,900 for "discourse comprehension".
08:43 < kanzure> "argumentation" discourse comprehension isn't bringing up much
08:45 < kanzure> +chains doesn't help
08:46 < kanzure> heh Automated discourse generation using discourse structure relations http://eprints.kfupm.edu.sa/27157/1/27157.pdf
08:51 < kanzure> "Limited attention and discourse structure" is close..
08:54 < kanzure> stalk: Marilyn A. Walker
08:55 < kanzure> hm no neuroimaging studies cite Walker
08:58 < katsmeow-afk> what's the fastest hash of 10million unique strings, 50char to 400char long, hashing down to a 32bit integer, preferably with unique hashes?
09:00 < katsmeow-afk> i haven't read "Automated discourse generation using discourse structure relations" yet, but it sure sound like another way of saying "pick random phrases with selected keywords, and call it conversation"
09:06 < kanzure> there might be something related to the lateral prefrontal cortex or dorsolaterla prefrontal cortex that relates working memory to the hierarchical (or bush-like?) structure of a conversation which either can assist or impede the ability to figure out what the hell you were last talking about or why you bothered to go off on a certain tangent
09:07 < kanzure> oh that's fairly specific
09:07 < kanzure> no psych paper ever is going to use "tangent" for any other possible meaning than conversational tangents :p
09:08 < katsmeow-afk> true, and the order the branching occurs in can alter the conversation dramatically
09:09  * katsmeow-afk shouldn't point out that "Questionnably" isn't a word, so won't
09:10 < kanzure> did I say that?
09:10 < katsmeow-afk> topic of the channel
09:10 < kanzure> it was quoted from an email
09:10 < katsmeow-afk> o
09:10 < kanzure> so we're making fun of it
09:10 < katsmeow-afk> that's clear now, but not so self-evident
09:12 < drazak> so my post finally made it's way to diybio
09:12 < drazak> that only took 12 hours
09:12 < kanzure> was it your first post?
09:13 < kanzure> also, lots of people use primers for identifying the presence of particular genes or sequences
09:13 < kanzure> which is sometimes species-specific
09:13 < drazak> of course
09:13 < drazak> but you'd have to do several genes, and have it mapped in all of your organisms that you want to test
09:14 < drazak> and you'd have to do it against a housekeeping gene
09:14 < kanzure> so?
09:14 < drazak> well it's rt-pcr
09:14 < drazak> a pcr machine is 600 bucks, an rt-pcr machine is 2000 (ignoring the open hardware versions)
09:14 < drazak> big difference in my mind
09:14 < kanzure> okay
09:14 < kanzure> well, if you care about the money I guess sure
09:15 < drazak> well you have to buy one, don't you?
09:15 < drazak> or make one
09:15 < kanzure> make one :)
09:15 < drazak> right, cause it's easy to make a rt-pcr machine
09:15 < kanzure> er if you find a cheap one though, go for it
09:15 < kanzure> it should be easy to make anything
09:15 < kanzure> the only thing that is lacking are the right instructions
09:16 < kanzure> yay golgi apparatus on a cihp
09:16 < kanzure> *chip
09:17 < kanzure> from RPI, Linhardt, bloody hell. no paper reference. wtf is this, the internet?
09:37 < drazak> indeed it is apparently
09:49 < kanzure> huh I had no code that tested pymates' mating stuff?
09:49 < kanzure> was just trying to see how I was doing it before
09:49 < kanzure> ah I had pymates.compatibility()
09:49 < kanzure> that kind of sucks
09:59 < kanzure> "At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United
09:59 < kanzure> States during the World War." what?
10:00 < katsmeow-afk> selling war materiel
10:05 < kanzure> possibilities = skdb.options(screws, bearings); for option in possibilities: if skdb.processes.fastening.score(option) >= some_threshold: #do something
10:08 < kanzure> fenn: you might want to write some comments eventually about the differences between the functionality attribute on line 25 in processes.yaml versus the same attribute in packages/screw/metadata.yaml
10:09 < katsmeow-afk> hmm, where might i read up on skdb.processes.fastening.score(option) ?
10:11 < kanzure> it doesn't exist yet but skdb.processes.abrasive_jet.score(option) sort of does
10:11 < kanzure> which you can see here: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/processes.yaml
10:13  * katsmeow-afk takes a hammer to FF
10:14 < kanzure> ?
10:14 < kanzure> ff?
10:14 < katsmeow-afk> firefox
10:14 < kanzure> have you tried using uzbl?
10:14 < katsmeow-afk> still waiting on a blank new tab
10:14 < katsmeow-afk> no
10:15 < katsmeow-afk> still waiting on a blank new tab
10:16 < katsmeow-afk> to be fair, i am 3.5gb into swap space, 14 data miners running, and doing a dir /S on a drive with at least 6 million files on it, so it's  busy
10:16 < katsmeow-afk> got a tab!
10:17 < kanzure> score is more like feasibility or something
10:18 < katsmeow-afk> woah, this is detailed
10:18 < fenn> what range is score and what does it mean?
10:19 < kanzure> so I was thinking "next step" and I was wondering how exactly to consider the mating options between parts and interfaces etc.
10:19 < kanzure> so one way to rate or score these options is by glancing at the fastening process 
10:19 < kanzure> or whatever package happens to implement the fastening process/technique
10:19 < fenn> is this like machinability? (for the machining technique)
10:20 < kanzure> machinability is relative to the machine that you're using right?
10:20 < kanzure> on some mills it's impossible to machine certain shapes, yes?
10:20 < kanzure> so machinability varies with the machining-hardware-setup?
10:21 < kanzure> I was thinking of something like this instead: fastening_machine = skdb.load("fastening_machine").Machine(); fastening_machine.score(option)
10:21 < katsmeow-afk> the machine may not have the power or tool envelope, or workpiece positioning required
10:22 < katsmeow-afk> who is filling in this data, and coming up with the fields?
10:23 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: fenn and I were thinking that different oem parts could be "mated" or "connected" in a way-- via a certain "technique"- and this technique would be defined/listed in that file that you're hovering over.
10:23 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: fenn typed it up, from a book (see the top).
10:23 < fenn> mating is just assembly
10:23 < fenn> i did a lot more than just type it up btw
10:23 < kanzure> right but we were saying that you use a technique to make an assembly
10:23 < kanzure> yes that's true
10:24  * katsmeow-afk looks impressed
10:24 < fenn> yay data
10:25 < fenn> that's only 9 out of 150 to go
10:25 < kanzure> I thought the other 141 were poorly defined
10:25 < katsmeow-afk> you realise if this level of discrimination were extended, you could compete against cyc in data?
10:25 < fenn> i dont want to compete against cyc
10:25 < kanzure> cyc is mostly wordnet on steroids
10:26 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't quantify your desires :-P
10:26 < fenn> i didnt say you did :P
10:26 < katsmeow-afk> but this degree is what's required for understanding, imo
10:26 < katsmeow-afk> so i got interested
10:26 < kanzure> let's not get philosophical
10:27 < fenn> katsmeow-afk: at this jobby-job i was supposed to be linking that process data with a sort of generic simulation of the geometry produced by a process; for example an endmill would produce a negative swept cylinder
10:27 < fenn> but it turns out opencascade is really lame when it comes to swept solids
10:28 < fenn> so now i'm at loose ends
10:28 < kanzure> what about computing the sweeps on your own?
10:28 < fenn> OCC sucking: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/prism_not_sweep3.png
10:29 < katsmeow-afk> well, i need to go afk
10:29 < katsmeow-afk> bbl
10:31 < kanzure> hm, a fastening technique and a milling technique have different considerations when they score the feasibility of some proposed input to their technique. i.e., the "input" must be different: with fastening things together, you don't need all the crazy shape data that endmilling might need
10:32 < fenn> you don't?
10:32 < kanzure> oh maybe you do
10:32 < kanzure> er is there a better example that's actually correct that I could use?
10:32 < fenn> i think the only processes that dont consider detailed geometry are things like annealing
10:33 < fenn> but even there you have to consider the maximum section thickness
10:33 < fenn> to know how fast the piece cools
10:33 < kanzure> ok the majority of techniques will probably want to score feasibility based off of geometry of their input that they test/score/rate, yes
10:33 < kanzure> but I'm trying to think of something deep in the taxonomy
10:34 < kanzure> where they have specific information that other regions of the taxonomy wouldn't necessarily require 
10:34 < fenn> ok so look at the taxonomy
10:35 < kanzure> so for electron beam welding thermal joining mass-conserving shaping techniques, for it to rate feasibility of some proposed scenario, it needs information that an endmill might not bother to check or require, yes?
10:36 < fenn> there's two main types of geometry analysis going on: collision detection/path planning, and 'fourier analysis' for computing abstract properties like heat dissipation
10:36 < fenn> electroplating too
10:37 < kanzure> all of this text is spewing out from me because I'm wondering whether or not to make Process have a score() method that all processes automatically inherit and (should) redefine for themselves
10:37 < fenn> some processes like welding have to do both kinds of analysis
10:38 < fenn> yeah except could we call it feasibility?
10:39 < kanzure> yes
10:39 < fenn> it lines up with all the *-ility terminology already existing
10:41 < kanzure> the input to the feasibility method should be an "option" object, so I was thinking every technique should define its own option class of sorts. skdb.techniques.shaping.mass_conserving.joining.thermal.welding.electron_beam.Option which has its own method for constructing a valid option object for the feasibility object
10:41 < kanzure> that Option class would inherit from a generic skdb.Option class that is used otherwise.
10:42 < kanzure> ack
10:42 < kanzure> s/feasibility object/feasibility method's input/
10:47 < fenn> um, you know "joining" would inherit from mass_conserving which inherits from shaping etc
10:48 < kanzure> ok?
10:48 < fenn> mprg originally had unique process names, but i shortened them because i thought it was silly
10:48 < kanzure> i feel like we're not talking about the same thing
10:49 < fenn> what is an option object?
10:49 < fenn> i dont like the sound of it
10:50 < kanzure> we're rating the feasibility of *something* right?
10:50 < fenn> a technique on a particular arrangement of artifacts
10:50 < kanzure> yes
10:51 < kanzure> or a vector or plane on the artifact or something (in the case of where there's only one artifact that the technique can deal with at a time)
10:51 < drazak> lol bad rt-pcr data
10:51 < drazak> 48 wells of shit
10:52 < kanzure> in the case of the feasibility of snapping two legos together, it would look at the interface mating vectors
10:52 < kanzure> what is the name of the technique that combines two legos, anyway?
10:52 < fenn> what would look at the vectors?
10:52 < kanzure> the feasibility scoring method of the technique
10:52 < fenn> "press fit assembly" unless it's those snap pins
10:53 < kanzure> assembly is an assembly though
10:53 < kanzure> not a technique
10:53 < fenn> an assembly is just the result of a technique (usually press-fit or snap-fit)
10:53 < fenn> i need to add more to the process list
10:53 < fenn> anyway think of a glued together assembly
10:54 < fenn> that uses the chemical bonding technique
10:54 < fenn> the stupid thing is people dont call a welded object a welded assembly
10:54 < kanzure> what do they call it?
10:54 < fenn> like because it's made from metal it's magically a new "thing"
10:55 < fenn> anyway i dont know why you're obsessing about assembly in particular
10:55 < fenn> there are lots of processes that have the same problems with collision detection and path planning
10:55 < kanzure> maybe you don't know what assembly means
10:56 < kanzure> when you make something out of other parts, it's an assembly
10:57 < fenn> only if you're using a CAD program
10:58 < fenn> a bucket of screws; is that an assembly?
10:58 < kanzure> sure, why not
10:59 < fenn> i'd say it isn't because they just happen to be in the same place
11:00 < fenn> there's no purpose the screws are intended to fulfill by being in the bucket
11:00 < kanzure> presence-in-the-bucket is not a purpose?
11:00  * fenn pulls his boot out of the muck
11:01 < fenn> you were asking "what is the name of the technique that combines two legos"
11:01 < kanzure> something I've noticed all this time that you've lived here is that you don't actually have any boots, so I have absolutely no idea who keeps losing boots in mucks
11:01 < fenn> presumably you wanted to do something like press_fit.feasibility(brick1, brick2)
11:01 < kanzure> yes
11:02 < fenn> i do have boots, but there's no reason to wear them except when i expect it to drizzle philosophy
11:02 < fenn> in case i need to kick some faces in, see
11:08 < kanzure> except I don't want to say press_fit.feasibility(brick1, brick2)
11:09 < kanzure> I want to say blah = press_fit.option(brick1, brick2)
11:09 < kanzure> and then press_fit.feasibility(blah)
11:09 < kanzure> so that the "construction" of the situation that would be checked for feasibility
11:09 < kanzure> is abstracted out of the picture
11:09 < kanzure> this way, all techniques will have the same parameters to the feasibility method
11:09 < fenn> how about press_fit(brick1, brick2).feasibility()
11:10 < kanzure> this is especially useful so that you can just use the same object over a list of different techniques that don't vary significantly
11:10 < kanzure> er, wait. that doesn't actually work .. erm..
11:10 < kanzure> sigh
11:10 < kanzure> why would press_fit have an __init__?
11:10 < fenn> what doesnt work?
11:11 < fenn> because you have to press something together right?
11:11 < kanzure> the idea of using the same "option" or "blah" object across multiple feasibility methods for multiple techniques
11:11 < fenn> otherwise it's zero hands clapping again
11:11 < kanzure> this isn't a philosophical question :p
11:11 < kanzure> just trying to figure out how to structure the api
11:12 < fenn> option only works for one technique
11:12 < kanzure> why should it
11:12 < fenn> i might glue two legos together differently than press fit
11:12 < fenn> i mean the glue technique has more options
11:12 < kanzure> okay
11:12 < fenn> techniques dont need interfaces
11:13 < fenn> interfaces are handy shortcuts to a particular geometry feature, however
11:14 < kanzure> I didn't assert techniques needed interfaces
11:14 < fenn> what are 'option' objects supposed to be then?
11:14 < kanzure> a particular scenario that a technique's methods can investigate for feasibility
11:15 < fenn> arrangement of artifacts?
11:15 < kanzure> not all techniques care only about arrangement of objects
11:15 < fenn> what is 'scenario'?
11:15 < fenn> pretend for a moment that i can't read your mind
11:17 < kanzure> a scenario is what you (or a machine) construct in order to apply or execute the technique
11:17 < fenn> ...
11:18 < fenn> nice circular definition
11:20 < kanzure> there are certain things that you provide the technique
11:20 < kanzure> there are certain things that the technique provides (like the technique)
11:20 < fenn> functionality
11:21 < kanzure> "what you provide the technique" is called the scenario, which it can then score or rate for feasibility
11:31 < kanzure> interference fitting calculations: http://www.eminebea.com/content/html/en/engineering/bearings/fitting.shtml
11:33 < fenn> wow i had no idea the formula was that complicated
11:33 < fenn> what do curly braces mean?
11:34 < fenn> oh nm it's just grouping terms
11:34 < kanzure> I can never be sure that it's not:
11:34 < kanzure> (1) someone who doesn't know how to express something that requires a new syntax
11:35 < kanzure> or (2) someone who is really meaning to say something that has been said before (i.e., grouping notation)
11:35 < fenn> yay hieroglyphics
11:35  * kanzure hieroglyphs himself.
11:36 < fenn> the artist formerly known as kanzure
11:38 < kanzure> I will now be known as unicode character 1C01
11:38 < kanzure> hm.. this looks like a simpler formula: http://www.engineersedge.com/manufacturing_spec/press_fit_force.htm
11:38 < kanzure> but it's not the same problem
11:38 < fenn> gah. why does engineersedge.com always give me 403
11:39 < kanzure> what is "pressure factor"
11:43 < kanzure> apparently ipods only charge if the laptop doesn't have the lid closed
11:43  * kanzure blames the kernel
11:48 < kanzure> fenn: can I have the book now please?
11:48 < fenn> sorry for the awful url: http://192.168.1.86/irc/Machinery's Handbook 27th Edition/
11:49  * ybit has that book
11:49 < fenn> it's a good one
11:49 < ybit> Machinery's Handbook Guide - 28th Edition (Malestrom)
11:49 < fenn> in fact it's the only one :(
11:49 < ybit> mine is the 28th edition
11:49 < fenn> like CRC handbook, but for manufacturing
11:50 < kanzure> what's CRC up to these days? 87th?
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12:08 < fenn> The numbers are rounded values of the following five geometric series of numbers: 10^(N/5), 10^(N/10), 10^(N/20), 10^(N/40), and 10^(N/80), where N is an integer in the series 0, 1, 2, 3, etc.
12:09 < fenn> that's worse than the IEEE 4.7k resistor crap
12:18 < fenn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/664898/hierarchy-traversal-and-comparison-modules-for-python
12:29 < kanzure> blargh? brainvisa/toolboxes/t1mri/processes/segmentationpipeline/components/CorticalFoldsGraphUpgradeFromOld.py
12:31 < fenn> hmmm
12:31 < fenn> skdb.load(open('lego/metadata.yaml'))
12:31 < fenn> <skdb.core.skdb.Package object at 0x8a7976c>
12:32 < fenn> skdb.load(open('screw/metadata.yaml'))
12:32 < fenn> .ConstructorError: could not determine a constructor for the tag 'tag:yaml.org,2002:python:object/skdb.tag_hack'
12:32 < fenn> am i missing something? aren't they exactly the same?
12:33 < fenn> d'oh nevermind
12:36 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r8eb03bac048e /packages/screw/template.yaml: indent typo
12:36 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r61fc1a31ede6 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: another silly typo
12:36 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r76d2bd9d05ab /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: i already fixed this; time to delete template.yaml?
12:36 < fenn> looks like CIA's down
12:37  * fenn kills CIA-38 
12:37  * CIA-38 dies
12:42 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/coordinates/mn2ital/
12:50 < fenn> 404
13:25 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/coordinates/mni2tal/
13:25 < kanzure> stupid typo :)
13:26 < drazak> boring
13:26 < drazak> you guys are boring
13:26 < drazak> :P
13:26  * drazak is doing a BCA
13:27 < kanzure> drazak: contrary to popular belief, biologists aren't cool for making up acronyms
13:28 < drazak> I'm not making anything up!
13:28 < kanzure> someone did
13:28 < drazak> it's the bicinchoninic acid assay!
13:28 < kanzure> they should just say what they mean
13:28 < kanzure> ok then say that
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13:29 < kanzure> hello El_Matarife 
13:29 < drazak> fine, I'll call it the Smith Assay
13:32 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r24bfb9dee193 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: developer email only please
13:32 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r00804c25dd77 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: bah. users.sf.net doesn't work apparently
13:34 < fenn> BCA assay is another of those funny run-on acronyms
13:35 < drazak> yeah
13:36 < drazak> it's in the incubator right now, plate reader next
13:36 < kanzure> the last biology lab I was working in was too lame to have a plate reader
13:38 < drazak> we have 2 pcr machines, an q-rt-pcr machine, a bunch of centrifuges, microfuges, some crap in the other room I have no idea what does, access to a nanodrop, a bunch of gel electrophoresis boxes, access to a flow cytometer
13:38 < kanzure> be sure to write down an inventory list
13:38 < drazak> yeah, that way I know what I'm taking when I take it
13:39 < kanzure> you're stealing from the lab? :)
13:39 < kanzure> you've learned so well from me
13:39 < drazak> I'm not actually gonna
13:39 < drazak> but if I was going to
13:39 < fenn> you can't teach someone to think for themself
13:40 < kanzure> context
13:40 < drazak> fenn: so, should I respond to you on diybio outlining how I would do the cheese test?
13:48 < fenn> hah http://www.utilitarian-essays.com/suffering-per-kg.html
14:08 < fenn> wow chickens only live 42 days on average
14:13 < katsmeow-afk> then they are killed as "fryers"
14:19 < ybit> 71.207.247.209:64738
14:19 < ybit> someone want to test my mumble server?
14:20 < ybit> i think i have my network issues finally resolved which means i should be able to ssh into this computer when scanning the books
14:20 < ybit> it was such a *duh* moment
14:24 < ybit> any takers?
14:25 < katsmeow-afk> with winscp ?
14:25 < ybit> not sure if that will connect to mumble.. think you have to use mumble
14:26 < katsmeow-afk> then i think someone else will haveto test it, i dunno what mumble is
14:26 < ybit> http://mumble.sourceforge.net
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14:27 < ybit> apt-get mumble or emerge mumble or whatever it is that you use
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14:30 < katsmeow-afk> ouch , 9,574,746 files on M:\
14:31 < katsmeow-afk> just got busy sorting them, sorry
14:31 < katsmeow-afk> dunno why, but the dir listing dump to a txt file is 667megabytes , i gotta shrink it some
14:32 < ybit> guess i'm off to grab a beer then scan and tunnel from another house
14:33 < fenn> only ten million? you're holding out on us
14:33 < katsmeow-afk> well, there's E: too
14:33 < kanzure> bah who are you people, with all your talking and your words
14:34 < fenn> read you this jibbery babble what make talky words
14:34 < katsmeow-afk> and the slithery jibe do .... things or somthing
14:36 < fenn> Did gyre and gimble in the wabe
14:36 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, those things
14:36 < splicer> be ware the jabberwok my friend
14:41 < fenn> "He knew full well, many years ago, what today's octopus wrestlers are just beginning to learn--that it is impossible for a man with two arms to apply a full nelson on an octopus; he knew full well the futility of trying for a crotch hold on an opponent with eight crotches."
14:42 < kanzure> sounds like a job for buddha
14:42 < katsmeow-afk> yea, and consider what's between the crotches on an aoctopus
14:43 < fenn> do they make eight headed mongeese?
14:43 < fenn> mongooses?
14:45 < katsmeow-afk> that animal that's smaller than a badger, but more ferocious,, not a taz devil
14:45 < fenn> hm i guess they're not really that good at catching snakes, just resistant to snake venom
14:46 < katsmeow-afk> slackers
14:51 < drazak> fenn: nice procedure :P
14:51 < drazak> fenn: I think what I'm going to do tonight is put the proceedure into steps and list required tools and what not
14:51 < drazak> could do it in YAML
14:52 < fenn> knock yourself out
14:52 < drazak> except I have nfc how
14:52 < drazak> I mean, isn't the goal of YAML to be able to put shit like that into it?
14:52 < fenn> yaml is just a data serialization format
14:52 < drazak> what the hell does that mean?
14:52 < fenn> the problem is we dont have any data structures for lab procedures
14:52 < drazak> american english please
14:53 < drazak> ah
14:53 < fenn> there's no formal way to describe a lab procedure such that a computer can do something with it
14:53 < fenn> well, there is, but only like 1 person on earth knows it
14:53 < fenn> (and it's not anyone in this channel)
14:54 < drazak> I have a pig primer for 16s
14:54 < drazak> lulz
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14:57 < drazak> I need tow rite a script that will do my blasting for me
14:57 < drazak> and then do my primerings for me from the blasts
14:57 < wrldpc2> i need to find out where there is a lot of gold near me
14:57 < wrldpc2> what was that mineral locator site?
14:58 < katsmeow-afk> none near Boston
15:00 < drazak> wrldpc2: which ben are you?
15:00 < fenn> mindat
15:01 < wrldpc2> thanks fenn
15:01 < drazak> we have 3 ben's in here
15:01 < fenn> i suggest looking in bank vaults
15:01 < drazak> fucking crazy :D
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15:10 < kanzure> Teen killed at chinese internet addiction camp 
15:10 < kanzure> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1326445&cid=28958385
15:10 < kanzure> "Reportedly it was for not being able to run fast enough."
15:10 < kanzure> Isn't that the reason why anyone gets beaten to death?
15:10 < kanzure> drazak: bioperl already does blasting for you, fool
15:11 < katsmeow-afk> and a great reason to hide in internet cafes
15:12 < drazak> kanzure: I need to write it so it can do it the way I want
15:12 < drazak> lol
15:30 < fenn> wow these utilitarians are idiots sometimes
15:31 < fenn> "with the money saved by eating beans for protein instead of chickens with lives barely worth living, you can raise a huge quantity of mice, because they are smaller.'
15:31 < katsmeow-afk> lol
15:33 < katsmeow-afk> i can't figure why you'd grow the mice at all if you are eating the beans for protein ,,,, please don't say "milk"
15:33 < drazak> fenn: does the diybio mailing list respond faster than the site? IE. have you gotten my reply to the thread yet?
15:34 < drazak> oh, see, there it goes
15:35 < drazak> much faster today
15:35 < fenn> i haven't received a reply to my reply to you
15:36 < fenn> it arrived
15:38 < drazak> cool
15:40 < drazak> I gotta ask the bioinformatics guy something when he's done talking to some other dude
15:44 < drazak> see reply, fenn 
15:50 < kanzure> drazak: to make the reply get to him faster, you can cc him
15:50 < drazak> I could
15:50 < drazak> but that sucks for email management
15:52 < drazak> hm
15:52 < drazak> I should be able to generate a biopython based blaster/primerer pretty easy
16:16 < drazak> fenn: algurkey!
16:18  * fenn wonders whether to point genehacker at the transparent aluminum article
16:19 < fenn> reminds me of 'Angel Light'
16:22 < kanzure> he'll read everything wrong and start bouncing invisible electrons off of massless aluminum or something because it's transparent right?
16:24 < fenn> weird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electride
16:25 < drazak> what is the python program for making primers?
16:25 < fenn> supposedly sodium electride is transparent
16:25 < kanzure> fenn: YAMLObjectMetaclass on line 251 in __init__.py of yaml shows how to unload previous tags (er, sort of, you'll have to make an inference, but it's an easy inference)
16:26 < fenn> can you access cls.yaml_loader?
16:26 < kanzure> it might involve something with yaml.Dumper
16:27 < kanzure> drazak: http://docs.google.com/www.biopython.org/DIST/docs/presentations/biopython.pdf
16:28 < kanzure> see pg 24
16:29 < kanzure> wow they made this unnecessarily long
16:30 < fenn> print skdb.Unit.yaml_loader.yaml_constructors
16:30 < kanzure> yep that's it
16:31 < drazak> kanzure: how do codon tables help me?
16:31 < kanzure> page 24 should be something about automatic design of primers
16:31 < kanzure> codon biases can help you figure out how to make particularly unique primers, fi that's what you're asking
16:31 < kanzure> *if
16:32 < drazak> we are looking at different pages
16:32 < drazak> :D
16:32 < drazak> your link doesn't work for me
16:32 < kanzure> http://www.biopython.org/DIST/docs/presentations/biopython.pdf
16:33 < drazak> ok
16:33 < drazak> thanks
16:34 < fenn> grapeseed flour is $22/kg
16:34 < fenn> not quite powdered wine but it sounds interesting
16:34 < drazak> ok
16:34 < drazak> so if I can get everything into fasta format
16:34 < drazak> I can just use this shit in this documentation to make my primers
16:34 < drazak> yay
16:35 < kanzure> it's nice when things work
16:36 < drazak> so basically what I need it to do is search for a protein and for a species and have ti respond back with all of the acension numbers, and then from that download the fasta page for the gene
16:37 < drazak> once I have the fasta page I can have it do the primer3 shit 
16:37 < kanzure> there might be a module in biopython that already queries ncbi for ascension numbers for proteins
16:37 < drazak> well, I'm looking for the gene that codes the protein
16:38 < kanzure> you can go from the amino acid sequence back to DNA
16:38 < drazak> and in bio.entrez.nucleotide there is
16:38 < kanzure> god I'm starting to sound like a bioinformatics guy
16:38 < drazak> I can also search "vegfa AND sus scrofa"
16:38 < drazak> dude the bioinformatics guy at the lab has nfc what biopython is
16:38 < drazak> apparently they wrote their own batch blaster
16:38 < kanzure> lots of biologists do that
16:39 < kanzure> I mean, they reinvent the wheel
16:39 < kanzure> constantly
16:39 < drazak> yeah
16:39 < drazak> he's a CS major
16:39 < drazak> or something
16:39 < drazak> I dunno what he is
16:39 < kanzure> that's disappointing
16:39 < drazak> but he's giving up coffee
16:39 < drazak> fucking nut
16:39 < drazak> NO COFFEE?
16:39 < drazak> as a computer AND biology guy?
16:39 < drazak> that's like being a mouse and not liking cheese
16:39 < kanzure> speaking of people who like cheese..
16:41 < drazak> so apparently
16:42 < drazak> I don't remember how to do jack shit in python
16:42 < drazak> :(
16:42 < kanzure> what are you trying to do
16:42 < drazak> write a script that batch proceses all this shit, I have a list of genes that I need primers for
16:42 < kanzure> I meant what did you mean by "so apparently"
16:43 < drazak> I don't remember how to read and write from files
16:43 < kanzure> open()
16:43 < drazak> I just don't remember jack shit apbout it
16:43 < kanzure> help(open)
16:43 < drazak> lol
16:44 < genehacker2> coffee?
16:44 < genehacker2> I don't drink it
16:44 < genehacker2> I take caffeine intravenously
16:45 < genehacker2> topic
16:45 < genehacker2> oh
16:45 < genehacker2> technoanarchy?
16:45 < genehacker2> is that what we're calling it?
16:46 < genehacker2> I call it free-technology
16:46 < drazak> yeah, he gave up caffeine
16:46 < drazak> and thus coffee
16:46 < drazak> he drinks mint tea
16:46 < genehacker2> oh
16:46 < drazak> we were in the coffee/printer/whatever room
16:46 < drazak> and he was like
16:46 < drazak> "yeah, I gave up coffee, and caffeine..."
16:46 < genehacker2> I have used tea for my caffeine supply
16:46 < genehacker2> well this isn't that relavant
16:47 < genehacker2> what'd I miss
16:47 < drazak> he drinks mint medley caffeine free tea
16:48 < genehacker2> maybe he's moved on to transition drugs
16:48 < kanzure> genehacker2: the /topic is a quote from an email to openmanufacturing. we're making fun of the quote.
16:49 < genehacker2> oh
16:49 < genehacker2> technoanarchy is sort of where I'm trying to go with the gene synthesizer
16:49 < genehacker2> hence my emphasis on being able to make all reagents from scratch
16:50 < genehacker2> IE, it won't be something that can be regulated
16:51 < drazak> hmm
16:51 < drazak> why won't Entrez.read(handle) not working
16:52 < kanzure> drazak: it's entirely possible that it's a scraper and entrez has changed. can you search your python/site-packages/biopython/ dir and figure whether or not there are some unit tests to see if it works at all?
16:52 < kanzure> why does my wisdom tooth socket hurt?
16:52 < kanzure> or, not hurt, but why is it sensitive today but not yesterday?
16:52 < kanzure> maybe it's something to do with all this yawning
16:53 < QuantumG> you're getting old
16:53 < kanzure> gah I suck
16:56 < drazak> kanzure: nah, the rest of it seems to work
16:56 < drazak> I think I did something wrong somewhere
16:56 < kanzure> what is handle?
16:56 < drazak> a variable
16:56 < drazak> I think
16:56 < kanzure> ..
16:56 < drazak> I assume it is
16:56 < drazak> it acts like a variable
16:56 < kanzure> what did you set it to?
16:56 < drazak> it's used like a variable
16:57 < drazak> handle = Entrez.esearch(db="nucleotide", term="vegfa AND sus")
16:57 < kanzure> do help(handle)
16:58 < kanzure> or do type(handle) and see what type it is
16:58 < kanzure> if it's NoneType you're screwed :)
16:58 < kanzure> or None
16:58 < drazak> instance
16:58 < fenn> so helpful
16:58 < kanzure> hah
16:58 < kanzure> okay, do blah = handle
16:58 < kanzure> then do type(blah)
16:58 < drazak> hold on
16:58 < kanzure> drazak: it may help to use ipython or bpython as your interpreter
16:58 < fenn> yeah right
16:58 < kanzure> no?
16:59 < kanzure> sarcasm?
16:59 < fenn> that would involve scary things like installing software
16:59 < kanzure> to get it: hg clone https://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/
16:59 < fenn> or *gasp* compiling it
16:59 < drazak> >>> results = Entrez.read(handle)
16:59 < drazak> Traceback (most recent call last):
16:59 < drazak>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
16:59 < drazak>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/Bio/Entrez/__init__.py", line 286, in read
16:59 < kanzure> or easy_install bpython
16:59 < drazak>     record = handler.run(handle)
16:59 < drazak>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/Bio/Entrez/Parser.py", line 95, in run
16:59 < ybit> fucking a, go me. i have it setup correctly
16:59 < drazak>     self.parser.ParseFile(handle)
16:59 < drazak> xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: no element found: line 1, column 0
16:59 < drazak> k
16:59 < kanzure> huh
16:59 < kanzure> looks like it's wanting a file handler
16:59 < ybit> yup, i'm tunneled. from a damn mac at my friend's house
16:59 < kanzure> so you should say handle = open("some/file/goes/here")
17:00 < drazak> no
17:01 < drazak> I'm doing exactly what it says to do in the biopython tutorial
17:01 < drazak> this is how it outlines doing a search
17:01 < drazak> but it doesn't work
17:01 < kanzure> it may be that they defined "handle" earlier in the presentation
17:01 < drazak> not the one you gave me
17:01 < kanzure> pg 24?
17:01 < drazak> no
17:01 < drazak> the actual tutorial from the biopython home page
17:02 < drazak> and I don't think they did because they give each codesnippet from the start, importing entrez from bio
17:03 < drazak> page 87 and 88
17:06 < drazak> OH
17:06 < drazak> I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
17:06 < drazak> it couldn't find it
17:06 < drazak> so it gave me shit
17:07 < drazak> if it can't find it it will return shit
17:07 < drazak> I ran it with a different search and it seems to run fine
17:18 < drazak> kanzure: can you give me an example open() usage?
17:18 < drazak> it doesn't like my syntax
17:20 < kanzure> my_file = open("/some/file/here","r")
17:20 < kanzure> my_file.write("jerks")
17:20 < kanzure> my_file.close()
17:20 < drazak> oh
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17:20 < drazak> I'm missing quotes
17:20 < drazak> got it
17:21  * kanzure clobbers drazak with rtfm stickers
17:21 < katsmeow-afk> tv news just said we have a new element called Molly-b-denum
17:21 < drazak> dude
17:21 < drazak> I haven't done python since I was 13
17:21 < drazak> katsmeow-afk: they mean old element Mol-ib-den-um
17:23 < drazak> katsmeow-afk: >>> blah = open("/home/drazak/blah","r")
17:23 < drazak> >>> blah.write("stuff")
17:23 < drazak> Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
17:23 < drazak> IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor
17:23 < drazak> er
17:23 < drazak> kanzure: ^^
17:23 < kanzure> maybe the arguments go the other way around
17:23 < kanzure> do help(open)
17:23 < drazak> the open is fine
17:23 < drazak> it's the write
17:23 < kanzure> oh, why are you doing "r" then?
17:24 < kanzure> you should do "w"
17:24 < kanzure> or "rw" if you want read+write
17:24 < drazak> I did rw
17:24 < drazak> well
17:24 < drazak> I tried r and rw
17:24 < kanzure> it says you did r
17:24 < drazak> I've done it r, rw, and rwx
17:25 < kanzure> how about ">w" ?
17:25 < drazak> all give the same error
17:25 < kanzure> "File <stdin>" just doesn't sound right for this sort of error
17:25 < drazak> a
17:25 < drazak> I need a
17:25 < drazak> except that did nothing
17:25 < kanzure> a+?
17:26 < drazak> just a
17:28 < katsmeow-afk> drazak, i know
17:29 < katsmeow-afk> i was relating how STUPID the southern usa is
17:29 < katsmeow-afk> they don't know the word, and either can't figure out a dictionary, or can't think thru to use one to pronounce the unknown word properly
17:39 < katsmeow-afk> claim that positive self-deception is a normal and beneficial part of most people’s everyday outlook. They suggested that average people hold cognitive biases in three key areas: a) viewing themselves in unrealistically positive terms; b) believing they have more control over their environment than they actually do; and
17:39 < katsmeow-afk> c) holding views about the future that are more positive than the evidence can justify. The typical person, it seems, depends on these happy delusions for the self-esteem needed to function through a normal day. It’s when the fantasies start to unravel that problems arise.
17:39 < drazak> flight of the bumbleebee people
17:39 < drazak> flight of the bumblebee
17:43 < katsmeow-afk> thing is, given that, it's a total wonder to me why adults don't understand why psychiatric drugs can *cause* suicide in teens
17:44 < katsmeow-afk> they are trying hard to be properly deluded adults so they can function, and the drugs stop that , so they are *less* functioning
17:44 < fenn> the correct way to say it is 'molly is the num' not molly b de num
17:45 < katsmeow-afk> molly be damned
17:45 < katsmeow-afk> well, the unsinkable molly be floats
17:46 < fenn> damn. i managed to keep a song fragment in my head for 41 minutes while searching for it
17:46 < katsmeow-afk> i went into a doc office once and said i needed a drug to make me psychotic, to believe the world was a wonderful place, so i could be cheery, and the doc said since i knew the problem i wasn't qualified to get the drugs
17:47 < katsmeow-afk> so i asked for a drug to make me forget the problems, and asked for buspar, and got it
17:47 < katsmeow-afk> took it at 1/3 recommended dose, i didn't wanna be a southern moron
17:48 < kanzure> I'm not convinced that general reasoning about what everyone else is thinking, is useful or not.
17:48 < fenn> yeah you might just forget everything
17:49 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, it causes whatever you are thinking about the most to get disconnected
17:49 < fenn> right
17:49 < fenn> scary shit
17:49 < katsmeow-afk> interesting drug, needs an anti-drug
17:49 < fenn> um, adderall?
17:50 < katsmeow-afk> noonehere wold prescribe that for me, i can't afford now to goto a doc for it, and i can't afford the drug
17:50 < katsmeow-afk> had to cancel health insurance to pay lawyers over the neighbor's dogs
17:52 < katsmeow-afk> damned news: "bizzare mind of the shooter" ,, i was like "well duh, who didn't see that coming? is this the first time this has happened or what??"
17:52 < katsmeow-afk> afk
18:17 < kanzure> fenn: the problem is that if you load metadata.yaml first,
18:17 < kanzure> and then data.yaml, you get all this bullshit for data.yaml
18:17 < kanzure> instead of screws or something
18:17 < fenn> can you load the classes before metadata.yaml?
18:17 < kanzure> what?
18:18 < kanzure> why would I do that?
18:18 < fenn> import screw; yaml.load(open('metadata.yaml'))
18:18 < kanzure> why would I do that too
18:18 < fenn> because then the classes (and their tags) would be defined before you call tag_hack
18:19 < kanzure> that's not what I'm doing.
18:19 < fenn> so what
18:19 < kanzure> well it's stupid
18:19 < fenn> whatever you're doing is not working
18:19 < kanzure> you already know that the class name is "screw" from the metadata
18:19 < fenn> no, you havent loaded the metadata yet
18:19 < kanzure> in your way
18:20 < fenn> tag_hack has to be called before loading metadata
18:20 < kanzure> that's right
18:20 < kanzure> and then we're done with tag_hack
18:20 < kanzure> so we have to turn it "off"
18:20 < fenn> so how do you know what the class is called?
18:20 < kanzure> it's specified in the metadata
18:20 < fenn> gah
18:20 < kanzure> under the "classes" attribute
18:20 < kanzure> so after the metadata is loaded, that's it
18:20 < kanzure> "tag_hack" should be turned off, the dummies should be unloaded
18:20 < fenn> ok, so then remove it from yaml_constructors
18:20 < kanzure> right
18:21 < kanzure> people should not name their songs "Africa"
18:22 < fenn> hey at least you know what it's called
18:24 < kanzure> how does that help
18:25 < kanzure> if anything this makes it worse, because now I'll be searching through millions of pages about "Africa"
18:25 < fenn> well i've been searching for a song stuck in my head for the last hour and half
18:25 < fenn> by fast-forwarding through 10 albums
18:27 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_(Toto_song) guess this might be it
18:28 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57z0-599ZQQ
18:28 < kanzure> gah
18:28 < kanzure> yeah that's what I was thinking of
18:29 < fenn> are you sure it wasnt http://192.168.1.86/irc/africa.mp3
18:30 < kanzure> do not name your songs after continents
18:30 < kanzure> gah
18:30 < kanzure> this is not a hard rule to understand
18:30 < fenn> but it's about africa!
18:30 < kanzure> also, I am forming a coalition against the misuse of gah
18:32 < fenn> wow i feel sorry for you
18:32 < fenn> that is terrible
18:32 < kanzure> it's horrible.
19:17 < drazak> kanzure: can arrays contain strings?
19:37 < fenn> aha. yaml.loader.Loader.yaml_multi_constructors['!screw']
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20:04 < fenn> bpython has packages in debian unstable at least.. is this new?
20:05 < fenn> and testing
20:08 < kanzure> drazak: yes
20:10 < fenn> kanzure would you mind doing 'sudo route add 192.168.1.86 eth1:1' on leibniz
20:11 < kanzure> ok
20:12 < kanzure> that do the trick?
20:12 < fenn> yes, thanks
20:15 < fenn> for future reference it's still slow but good enough for what i'm doing right now
20:16 < drazak> kanzure: yeah, I know what I was doing wrong wnow
20:17 < drazak> kanzure: so I know how to load all of the shit I want to search in nucleotide into an array
20:18 < fenn> it's actually a list
20:20 < drazak> it probably is
20:20 < drazak> :D
20:20 < drazak> I know shitall about python
20:23 < fenn> hm. kanzure did you actually type eth1:1 or just eth1?
20:33 < kanzure> eth1:1
20:33 < kanzure> also, wtf: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Low-hanging%20fruit%20for%20human-level%20artificial%20intelligence%20augmentation%20-%20Biohack.html
20:33 < kanzure> did I just happen to totally forget about that?
20:34 < fenn> i believe you've linked to it several times in the last month
20:35 < fenn> oh wait i must be thinking of something else
20:39 < kanzure> doesn't seem to have as much content as I hoped it would
20:43 < kanzure> bkero: Stalk down "John Bruno" sometime and ask him about KYNA.
20:44 < drazak> programming is harder than it looks
20:44 < kanzure> the trick is to make it look easy
20:44 < fenn> come on, python is probably the easiest language in the universe
20:45 < kanzure> me agrees
20:45 < drazak> I have zippo programming experience
20:45 < drazak> :D
20:45 < drazak> zero
20:45 < drazak> zilch
20:45 < fenn> then it's amazing you can do anything at all :)
20:45 < kanzure> and you run linux?
20:45 < drazak> yes
20:45 < kanzure> huh
20:46 < drazak> I mean
20:46 < drazak> I can write a little bash script
20:46 < drazak> but that's scripting
20:46 < fenn> i guess you dont know what bash is capable of
20:47 < kanzure> btw this is the work that I was thinking of duplicating for pyscholar: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Semantic%20Search%20Facilitator.html
20:57 < kanzure> huh I have fabuntu on leibniz
21:07 < bkero> kanzure: Who's Jon Bruno and KYNA?
21:07 < kanzure> someone at ohio state
21:07 < kanzure> KYNA is an interesting regulator of cortical acetylcholine
21:07 < kanzure> whatever he's making, take some of it
21:11 < fenn> i'd like to see an x-ray of a NXT servo in this lineup: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=226615
21:13 < fenn> or one of those really tiny lego motors
21:24 < bkero> Haha
21:32 < kanzure> I have a new hobby: reading old science fiction that I wrote and hid somewhere (and then proceeded to entirely forget about) on my terabytes of hard drive storage
21:41 < fenn> my new hobby is sneaking bad scifi onto kanzure's hard drive
21:41 < kanzure> uh oh
21:41 < ybit> i eat llamas
21:42 < ybit> ..since we're talking about hobbies
21:43 < ybit> my secret job is to make everyone realize that irc is wasteful and that they should be working instead of playing
21:43 < QuantumG> fuck you
21:43 < ybit> :)
21:43 < ybit> hmm, that smiley face kind of looks gay after that comment
21:44 < ybit> not that there's anything wrong with being gay, kanzure, please don't take offense
21:44 < QuantumG> .|.
21:45 < ybit> \o/
21:45  * katsmeow-afk is fascinated that males prefer to do things with each other, but it's not being "gay"
21:45 < kanzure> lesbians are hot, deal with it
21:45  * ybit lost his virginity to a lesbian
21:46 < ybit> damn ca priv. keys not creating, grr
21:46 < katsmeow-afk> err, women who are bi aren't lesbian
21:47 < ybit> it was experimental...
21:47 < katsmeow-afk> praps they told you that to turn you on
21:47 < ybit> she's straight-up gay now
21:47 < fenn> maybe she thought he was a girl
21:47 < ybit> guess i confirmed to her that guys aren't what they are all cracked up to be?
21:47 < fenn> or perhaps was totally turned off by the experience
21:47 < ybit> no no, we had discussed this beforehand while sober
21:48 < ybit> right, i made sure she stayed gay
21:48 < fenn> your contribution is duly noted
21:48 < ybit> ty ty
21:50 < katsmeow-afk> now, what's her phone number?
21:50 < katsmeow-afk> :-P
21:51 < ybit> i'll give it to you the next time we are both together and high, which should be a few days from now
21:51 < kanzure> how do I do newlines in my regular expressions in vim, anyway?
21:51 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't have that scheduled
21:51 < kanzure> ah, \r
21:51 < ybit> afk for a bit
21:54 < kanzure> "At the intersection of the now-cancerous galaxy and the next merging galaxy (where many exploding stars and rearrangements of materials and peoples has been occurring for the last fifty million years) there has been this militant, tactical group of pathologists that are trained to fight the spread of the disease throughout the galaxy and to carefully nudge the galaxy back on track towards spore"
21:55 < fenn> does anyone recognize these legos? http://img.lugnet.com/ld/30364.gif http://img.lugnet.com/ld/30365.gif
21:56 < kanzure> no
21:56 < fenn> i'm guessing from the part number that it's fairly new
21:57 < fenn> seems to only be in star wars kits
21:57 < wrldpc2> those legos look familiar
21:57 < wrldpc2> i want to say drawbridge or castle sets
21:59 < fenn> here's more pics http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/30364 http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/30365
22:00 < wrldpc2> has anyone in here read any of bucky's books?
22:00 < fenn> i read "operating manual for spaceship earth"
22:01 < fenn> and i think i read about half a page of synergetics volume 1
22:02 < wrldpc2> cool ... does anybody in here take any nootropics?
22:03 < wrldpc2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CX717
22:05 < wrldpc2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampakine
22:05 < wrldpc2> forgive the wiki links but whateva
22:08 < kanzure> what's your favorite place to order from?
22:10 < wrldpc2> my friend boris recommended some random place but the site itself was shit.  Can't recall.
22:10 < wrldpc2> this was a while ago
22:15 < ybit> <off-topic> not really important, but thought i'd mention it: looking back at the past 2 years, i only get high ~4-6 times/year and drunk about the same number of times. usually it happens a few days from each other too.
22:15 < fenn> yeah and i'm not addicted to chocolate, i havent eaten any for two whole weeks
22:16 < fenn> well, except for three chocolate chip cookies last week
22:17 < ybit> hah, i swear 
22:18  * ybit doesn't eat chocolate often either
22:20 < ybit> or meat. and who was it complaining about vegans killing animals in a lab?.. it could just be a health decision, it's a lot easier to keep up with what nutrients are consumed as a vegetarian. it's hard to tell exactly what you exactly one gets in a piece of meat
22:20 < fenn> jeez searching for 'toothed joint' brings up exactly the lego interface i was looking for, first hit
22:24 < ybit> i drink and consume mj often, i just typically constrain its use 
22:24 < ybit> </off-topic>
22:26 < ybit> any geeky something i could wake up to now that i use this computer as my alarm clock as well?
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22:27 < ybit> maybe a few good talks? or even a text-to-audio conversion of something...
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22:28 < fenn> music with a nice long slow intro
22:28 < fenn> bach cello suites would be good
22:28  * ybit has a huge collection of nature sounds that has been being mixed with music
22:29 < ybit> now that's an idea, classical music interwoven with these songs
22:29 < ybit> time for sleep 9h && mplayer *m3u 
22:29 < ybit> later
22:29 < fenn> i have some samples of AK-47 being fired if that would help
22:30 < ybit> haha, maybe that should be something to wake up after pressing snooze?..
22:30 < fenn> 'at' might be more reliable than sleep
22:31 < fenn> whatever floats your boat
22:31 < ybit> so i've been told
22:32 < ybit> but why would at be more reliable?
22:33 < fenn> power goes out; computer boots up and at daemon keeps going (sleep is dead and forgotten meanwhile)
22:33 < ybit> oh
22:33 < fenn> or you could do a cron job
22:34 < ybit> noted