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00:23 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 9bc1588f07a9 /packages/lego/demo.py: forgot to commit this
01:03 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 17052d3078f1 /packages/lego/demo.py: yaml output looks better because vectors are collated (this is because default_flow_style is not False but yaml_flow_style is False)
01:03 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r d24aef571b81 /packages/lego/interfaces.py: fix part list for options, and overly long repr
01:03 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 59dab83c7aa2 /core/interface.py: excise dead code; fix makes_sense
01:05 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 06ad37cb5539 /core/interface.py: wtf is a mate??
02:38 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 8a090f68f2e6 /core/interface.py: some stuff that was bugging me. i guess Mate does nothing special
02:38 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r e8fb78770c67 /core/part.py: some day i'll figure out how to not repeat this code everywhere
02:38 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 9a563e1d7813 /core/yamlcrap.py: setify really should go somewhere else since this has nothing to do with yaml. also, __setstate__ never gets called unless you do copy.copy() so i commented it out
02:38 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r e5175613af87 /packages/lego/demo.py: a more entertaining demo... shouldnt pymates do something like this?
02:38 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r aeca5bcc2865 / (core/part.py packages/lego/data.yaml): initialise interface.part after loading yaml (doesnt work??)
02:38 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r a1e07da6510a /packages/lego/demo.py: print out a list of compatible interfaces for eac interface in brick1
02:39 < fenn> kanzure: i want some screenshots of it working, dammit!
02:52 < fenn> omg it's clear from pymates you have no idea why my functions do
02:52 < fenn> next time you need help please ask for it
03:01 < fenn> 'rad' stands for radius
03:01 < fenn> in point_shape
03:02 < fenn> elevation is rotation around the x axis, azimuth is rotation around the z axis
03:02 < genehacker> how do you avoid gimbal lock?
03:02 < fenn> go away
03:04 < kanzure> fenn: you were giving me x and y
03:04 < kanzure> (rotations)
03:08 < fenn> point_shape doesn't return anything
03:08 < fenn> it does the rotations in the correct order so you dont have to figure it all out again
03:09 < fenn> why don't you just import it form paths.py and call the function?
03:10 < kanzure> real_point_shape returns the shape
03:11 < fenn> there is way too much crap going on in this script for a single transform
03:12 < fenn> where are the brick shapes actually rotated?
03:13 < kanzure> mate_parts
03:14 < kanzure> see line 147
03:14 < kanzure> or search for transformation0
03:14 < fenn> so you never actually use real_point_shape
03:14 < kanzure> I use it in draw_mating_arrows()
03:14 < kanzure> which is what I was complaining about last night
03:15 < fenn> fuck the arrows
03:15 < kanzure> well if I can't get arrows right, how am I going to be sure that the legos are right?
03:16 < fenn> because they line up like legos
03:16 < kanzure> well they didn't anyway
03:16 < fenn> because you rotated them wrong
03:16 < kanzure> and there are many ways to be wrong and still look like you line up like legos
03:20 < fenn> here's my suggestion:
03:20 < fenn> forget about the arrows, import point_shape from skdb.paths and use that to rotate the shape
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07:11 < kanzure> "When it comes to the physical world, we're acutely aware of our limitations, and we build systems to overcome them (e.g. stairs to climb vertically, wheels for easy transport, etc). When it comes to the mental world, we have this unreasonable view of ourselves as supermen. We think we are always in control, and that we are always responsible. We need to understand our mental limitations so that we can design systems (e.g. public/company policy, transportation systems, etc) to overcome them (and make the world a better place)."
07:11 < kanzure> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html
07:11 < kanzure> found from: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1330685&cid=29006243
07:12 < kanzure> "The free market sees taxation as damage and routes around it."
07:19 < kanzure> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1464&tab=summary Learning Opportunities With Creation of Open Source Textbooks (LOW COST) Act of 2009
07:19 < kanzure> or see http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h1464:
07:23 < kanzure> not sure what's going on here: http://www.flatworldknowledge.com/
08:11 < kanzure> on capmetro.org under "allsystemsgo" they have a slideshow of photos of capmetro's operations
08:11 < kanzure> one of the photos is an "artist's depiction of future capmetro buses and trains"
08:12 < kanzure> not that I have anything against artists
08:12 < kanzure> but I would be much more impressed by an engineer's take on things
08:12 < fenn> silly man, why would an engineer design a train
08:12 < kanzure> oh right, he's the "conductor"
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10:07 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r b35589d95096 /core/skdb.py: return package
10:54 < draz|lab> kanzure: when is books/ getting copied to adl.serveftp?
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11:30 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r 6d2347409c50 /pymates/pymates.py: committing before I cause some serious damage
11:30 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r 4f9281e10595 / (core/skdb.py paths.py): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
11:30 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r 9eae5750183e /paths.py: fix fenn path stuff, show an arrow
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12:10 < kanzure> fenn: what should I be doing?
12:10 < kanzure> fenn: it would be helpful to replace point_shape with something else because at the moment part.interfaces[num].point isn't being updated. the points are different, but you can't really be sure what transformation to apply to get the real location of the interface points for some given shape in part.shapes[]
12:15 < fenn> what are you doing (in general)
12:16 < fenn> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_crystallography.png
12:19 < fenn> guh. serial vs parallel mates
12:29 < ybit> but physics over the last 100 years - and especially
12:29 < ybit> over the last couple of decades - has increasingly shown us that the
12:29 < ybit> world is neither continuous nor infinite; it has solid finite limits
12:29 < ybit> on almost everything.  Even more remarkable is that we've pretty much
12:29 < ybit> reached some of those limits"
12:29  * ybit doesn't life definite statements
12:30 < ybit> s/life/like
12:30 < ybit> just say 'it seems at this moment that we _may_ have reached reached some of these limits
12:31 < ybit> _at this moment_ as well
12:31  * ybit is sick
12:31  * ybit caught something from all the little kids and stinky grown-ups looking for school supplies last night
12:32 < ybit> literally, it was difficult to breathe around some of the customers
12:32 < genehacker> heh that's funny fenn
12:32 < ybit> let's hope i'm working in a cleanroom soon
12:32 < genehacker> was it h1n1?
12:33 < genehacker> if you turn up immune to it
12:33 < genehacker> can I get some of your antibodies?
12:33  * ybit is using some right now
12:34 < ybit> it's illegal to share meds, but come on down (to florence, al) and i'll give you a few. it's not like it's the first time i've shared teh goods
12:34 < fenn> kanzure i'm working on adding a transform to each mate, fwiw (so we dont replicate work)
12:36 < genehacker> I was only joking ybit
12:36 < ybit> yeah.. uh.. i was too... ;)
12:40 < kanzure> 1151: preparation of sonicated salmon sperm DNA
12:40  * kanzure thought of genehacker
12:41 < genehacker> it's a highly useful waste product of the salmon fishing industry!
12:41 < genehacker> though we can't rely on such sources
12:42 < genehacker> with global fish stocks the way they are
12:47 < genehacker> i see why you don't use alibre kanzure
12:48 < genehacker> wine isn't compatible with it
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13:20 < fenn> is there a way to make load_CAD shut up?
13:42 < kanzure> not to my knowledge :(
13:44 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/protocol-online/library-of-protocols.txt this list might be incomplete because of a perl script error regarding wide characters (and because I'm in a hurry), but it's about ~2000 lines that associate titles to the protocols
13:51 < fenn> you fucker
13:51 < fenn> run john on your own computer
13:52 < fenn> hmm i guess it's been going for a week already?
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14:26 < genehacker> huh kanzure you aren't torrenting on fenn's computer now are you?
14:43 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 7c52d66b63b6 /packages/threads/metadata.yaml: package needs name for package_file i guess
14:43 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 4226f25f028f / (7 files in 3 dirs): split stuff that depends on OCC into its own module.. this is the only way to include things from inside core/
14:46 < kanzure> there's no reason that package needs a name.. package_file should be able to figure out the package's name because when a package is instantiated it gets a package_name variable
14:46 < kanzure> or at least it's supposed to get a package_name variable (even when loaded via yaml)
14:47 < fenn> please explain with valid python
14:48 < fenn> you know all this module stuff is really annoying
14:52  * draz|lab making SDS-PAGE gell
14:57 < kanzure> origin interface: orientation=<0,0,1> at (0,0,0)
14:57 < kanzure> or actually, orientation = <0,0,-1> at (0,0,0) so that everything is "right side up" when it's put into the system)
15:54 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 2c11b0062458 / (geom/geom.py paths.py): add a transform to the Part
15:54 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 09425a01f6be / (geom/geom.py paths.py): key binding, fight some more with transforms
15:57 < fenn> todo: write some unit tests for interface transforms
16:00 < wrldpc2> what was this stuff about atherosclerotic plaques as being a good compression strategy for vital compounds
16:01 < wrldpc2> i need as much data on atherosclerotic plaques as possible.
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17:08 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/protocol-online/full-librar.txt full index of all pages (for realz this time)
17:08 < kanzure> arr
17:08 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/protocol-online/full-library.txt
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17:30 < fenn> that's only like 500 more than last time (around 2000->2500)
17:40 < ybit> fenn: you mentioned ocr for these books... i don't know if that's the way to go...
17:40 < ybit> there are images to consider..
17:41 < ybit> maybe something more suited for this would be a script to straighten the images and then just concatenate the files into a pdf
17:41 < fenn> " show the `best match so far' as search strings are typed:                                          
17:41 < fenn> set incsearch 
17:41 < ybit> though it would be nice to have the text in plain text format
17:42 < ybit> straighten, crop, fix the contrast, etc.
17:43 < ybit> has anyone setup gnus with dovecot, offlineimap, and some mta?
17:44  * ybit has been having troubles with dovecot
17:45 < ybit> some prefer courier to dovecot
17:46 < ybit> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FuzzyOcrPlugin :: This plugin checks for specific keywords in image/gif, image/jpeg or image/png attachments, using gocr (an optical character recognition program). 
17:47 < ybit> ...for email
17:47  * ybit assumes
17:49 < ybit> foss ocr programs: http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ :: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9676  
17:50 < ybit> <-tesseract-> http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ :: http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html :: Clara http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_7668.html
17:51 < fenn> i haven't had much luck fos FOSS OCR
17:51 < bkero> ybit: tesseract is the only one worth a damn
17:51 < bkero> and tesseract is a MOTHERBITCH TO SET UP
17:51 < ybit> quirky is the word linux journal used
17:51 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r 5da2d5afacf7 /readme: update the readme to reflect new directory structure
17:51 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r 4150900e41dd /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: clean up analytical-instrumentation
17:51 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r 676387fba22a /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: yamlification of analytical-instrumentation
17:51 < bkero> Well, to set it up on gentoo
17:51 < bkero> I had to make ebuilds for 3 packages that weren't there
17:51 < kanzure> tesseract is terrible for OCRing papers
17:52  * kanzure is speaking from experience
17:52 < bkero> That didn't have any point releases, so I had to roll back to a specific commit in revision control
17:52 < bkero> Then patch that
17:52 < bkero> Then isntall those, rename libraries, fix makefiles
17:52 < bkero> Have a hemmorage, sacrifice 3 cats
17:52  * kanzure leers at CIA
17:52 < kanzure> oh
17:52 < bkero> Then it might work
17:52 < kanzure> good bot
17:54 < ybit> 17:49 < bkero> Have a hemmorage, sacrifice 3 cats
17:55  * ybit thinks twice about tesseract being mostly vegeterian and all ;)
17:57 < ybit> who did you have to pray for when sacrificing cats? almighty tux or 17:51 < ybit> 17:49 < bkero> Have a hemmorage, sacrifice 3 cats
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17:57 < ybit> stallman
17:57 < ybit> grr
17:58 < ybit> stupid putty pasting
17:58 < ybit> joke isn't funny now if it ever had a chance of being so.
17:58  * ybit waves hands angrily at putty
18:00  * ybit had an excuse to use the soldering station today. k-mart is installing hidden cameras because they suspect some employees are stealing, so i got to repair a spycam today
18:01 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r 68684a01d528 /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: bah, cleanup
18:01 < ybit> didn't get to go soldering, gramps became worse today :|
18:01 < ybit> </tweet>
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18:24 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r bee06af5baec /doc/BOMs/analytical-instrumentation: more cleaning
18:51 < kanzure> MeSH tree 2009: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2009/MB_cgi
19:09 < kanzure> "Laurie later revealed that he initially thought the show's central character was Dr. James Wilson. He assumed that House was a supporting part, until he received the full script of the pilot episode.[39] The son of a doctor, Ran Laurie, he said he felt guilty for "being paid more to become a fake version of [his] own father."[34] From the start of season 3, he was being paid $275,000 to $300,000 per episode, as much as three times what he had previously been making on the series.[40][41] By the show's fifth season, Laurie was earning around $400,000 per episode, making him one of the highest paid actors on network television.[42]"
19:09 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(TV_series)
19:42 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r df6b3bb73e08 /doc/proposals/biology-protocol-ontology.yaml: biology protocol ontology, not sure what to do with this
19:44 < kanzure> dissociated cultures of cerebellar neurons: http://www.protocol-online.org/cgi-bin/prot/view_cache.cgi?ID=2624
19:45 < kanzure> http://www.jove.com/index/details.stp?ID=152 Culture of Mouse Neural Stem Cell Precursors (video protocol)
19:46 < kanzure> doesn't look like UT has access to currentprotocols? wtf? http://www.currentprotocols.com/cell-culture
19:46 < genehacker> odd
19:47 < genehacker> intravenous administration of adenosine causes feelings of doom
19:53 < draz|lab> kanzure: UT doesn't
19:53 < draz|lab> kanzure: I don't thing UB does either
19:53 < draz|lab> kanzure: aka I tried to get to current protocals the other day from your server
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20:19 < kanzure> "Microfluidic culture platform for neuroscience research"
20:29 < kanzure> http://natureprotocols.com/
20:43 < drazak> kanzure: you get nature protocals though?
20:43 < drazak> we don't at the lab
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21:03 < kanzure> various new neuro papers:
21:03 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/?C=M;O=D
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21:11 < QuantumG> Most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough money not to quit. 
21:11 < QuantumG> Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people's stuff.
21:11 < QuantumG>  - George Carlin
21:19 < kanzure> yawn
21:19 < kanzure> say something interesting please
21:21 < fenn> i found this amusing
21:21 < fenn> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/125449
21:36 < genehacker> choosing random wikipedia article
21:37 < genehacker> "Bullet hell" (?? danmaku?, lit. "barrage" or "bullet curtain") is a shoot 'em up in which the entire screen is often almost completely filled with enemy bullets.[9] This type is also known as "curtain fire",[16] "manic shooters"[5] or "maniac shooters".[17] This style of game originated in the mid-1990s, and is an offshoot of scrolling shooters.
21:46 < ybit> what's the best way to share your local files?
21:47 < ybit> and let friends be notified of updates? 
21:47 < ybit> rss|atom|rsync|git?
21:47 < ybit> |wget --mirror
21:51 < kanzure> probably rsync
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21:59 < ybit> i like how you can make comments when committing via git, wonder how this could be done with rsync
21:59 < CIA-38> brain: kanzure master * re17e9c4 / neuron-types.yaml : different types of neurons - http://bit.ly/JYvah
21:59 < ybit> meh, doesn't matter unless it's code or a todo.org
22:00 < ybit> and both can be handled through git
22:01 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/neuron-types.yaml
22:03 < ybit> sache just refers me back to tags bbdb and emacs on her site
22:07 < kanzure> if you were going to give yourself a new sense, what would it be?
22:07 < kanzure> todd kinda cheated by implanting giant magnets in his fingertips
22:07 < kanzure> infrared vision might be nice
22:07 < kanzure> ybit: haha, so much for all that productivity
22:09 < ybit> meh, i kind of figured she was referencing her own maintained projects when she mentioned the other scripts in the linux world
22:09 < ybit> ..article
22:09 < ybit> \o/ Home-made Taq polymerase purification protocol
22:10 < ybit> anyone here aside from me going the gnus|bbdb route?
22:10 < kanzure> not at the moment, too busy acting like I'm being productive
22:10 < ybit> i've been having trouble with nnimap and ssl :|
22:10 < genehacker> I want a distance sensor on my back
22:11 < ybit> and yet kmail works in seconds -_-
22:11 < ybit> genehacker: rfid 
22:11 < ybit> kmail+dovecot that is
22:11 < genehacker> No I want an ultrasonic sensor hooked up to a tactile stimulator
22:12 < kanzure> nice overview: http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/neurotransmitters_niemczycki.txt
22:12 < genehacker> also want a radiation sense
22:12 < kanzure> hm
22:12 < kanzure> a geiger counter?
22:12 < genehacker> *ionizing radiation
22:12 < genehacker> yes
22:12 < genehacker> a geiger counter
22:13 < ybit> re:pretending to be productive, well you and fenn have sure fooled me
22:13 < genehacker> so if I drive past a uranium deposit I'll know
22:13 < kanzure> have you even tried running the code?
22:13 < kanzure> :p
22:13 < ybit> every flippin hour i recieve about ~5 txts from twitter about skdb
22:13 < kanzure> oh, did I not turn that off?
22:13 < kanzure> why are you getting text messages
22:13 < ybit> nah, but it's cool
22:14 < kanzure> does it wake you up at three in the morning?
22:14 < ybit> because i subscribe to people.. because sometimes i get distracted from thinking about my todo.org at work
22:14 < ybit> heh, i turn my cell ringer to alarm only at night
22:16 < ybit> very nice overview of neurotransmitters
22:29 < genehacker> kanzure automatic design discussion in reprap
22:30 < genehacker> topic: PCB autorouters suck
22:31 < genehacker> similar problems might arise for automatic design
22:32 < fenn> undoubtedly
22:36 < ybit> so.. apparently i've just recieved a lump sum of money but won't recieve it until i'm in my thirties..
22:36 < ybit> yay for money i may never recieve
22:37 < kanzure> that's how I felt when my dad died
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22:57 < ybit> wget http://dl.torrentreactor.net/download.php?id=1345063&name=Four+Tet+4+Album
22:57 < ybit> fast download and good music
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23:52 < ybit> local huntsville makers channel is lame, all they talk about is movies and previous/upcoming meetings to discuss even more about movies
23:54 < genehacker> >_>
23:54 < genehacker> more like watchers channel
23:55 < ybit> people might say that this channel just tweets about nothing if it weren't for some of you actually contributing relevant content
23:55 < ybit> [Wed May 27 2009] [17:46:18] <brim-ackis>       plotters, saws, engravers, hammers, ossiliscopes, etc
23:55 < ybit> that's what their shop consists of
23:56 < ybit> in the process of obtaining a welder
23:56 < ybit> sounds kind of lmae
23:56 < ybit> lame*
23:56  * ybit has that and more here
23:57 < genehacker> did you just say engraver?
23:57 < genehacker> what sort of engraver?
23:57 < genehacker> automatic?
23:57 < genehacker> if it's not automatic then it's useless as far as I'm concerned
23:57 < ybit> dunno, join #makerslocal and ask but don't be surprised if they completely ignore you and continue conversating about some movie they are or were watching
23:58 < genehacker> what sort of movie?
23:58 < ybit> i dunno
23:58  * ybit ignored that part
23:58 < genehacker> surely not the ones in theaters
23:59 < genehacker> you need to know what people discuss before you can derail their conversation