--- Day changed Thu Aug 13 2009 00:22 < ybit> hrm, think there's been a paper publish with something similar to that question... 00:23 < genehacker> nah seems it's basic math 00:24 < genehacker> just need to find length 00:24 < genehacker> canfind angle easily 00:37 -!- splicer [n=patrik@h55n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 00:45 < ybit> i wouldn't say basic, and the paper wasn't referring to that specific question, something similar to it though 00:45 < ybit> mason-l is also the author of uzbl_tabbed.py ftr 00:45 < mason-l> And the cookie_daemon.py (in the uzbl project) 00:46 < ybit> mason-l: soon i will go to bed, promise 00:46 < mason-l> ybit, See you later. 00:46 < ybit> hehe 00:46 < ybit> yeah, it's time 00:46 * ybit waves goodbye 00:46 < mason-l> Thats: uzbl.org if anyone is interested (and or doesn't know what ybit was referring to) 00:47 < ybit> i had mentioned it in here before 00:47 < mason-l> ah :) 00:47 < ybit> kanzure the proceeded to post about it in diyh+ i believe 00:47 < ybit> s/the/then 00:48 < mason-l> Nice 00:49 < ybit> mason-l: http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_thread/thread/cd11a83bcd3532b6/1e908ea08ba2d9f2?lnk=gst&q=uzbl#1e908ea08ba2d9f2 01:11 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:16 < genehacker> HOLY COW! 01:16 < genehacker> you guys should really go outside 01:16 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:17 < genehacker> saw some meteors that were brighter than Mars and left an ion trail that lasted acouple of minutes 01:59 < fenn> thanks for reminding me 02:46 < fenn> well that was underwhelming 02:48 < genehacker> how long did you watch and how much sky did you cover per unit time? 03:14 < fenn> let's see.. my eyeballs were scanning approximately 0.8 steradians at a luminous flux intensity of 2.9dB*m^2/W 03:15 -!- Netsplit simmons.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nsh, strages 03:16 < fenn> i saw a heron, four quick streaks, a green ion trail, and some thing that looked like a meteor but stayed in the sky too long and wobbled around a lot 03:16 < genehacker> a heron? 03:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: strages, nsh 03:17 < genehacker> I saw a chinook helicopter 03:18 < fenn> well it was a huge white bird that was really high up.. should have brought the binoculars 04:03 < genehacker> dang 04:03 < genehacker> I assume the wobbly one is a joke? 04:05 < genehacker> well switching partitions 04:08 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:17 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:22 < genehacker> http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/08/rowan-university-publishes-further.html 04:22 < genehacker> WTF? 04:59 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE78EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:59 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE78EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:32 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:38 < kanzure> it's hilarious that it took nine minutes for him to switch partitions 07:32 -!- mason_l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:34 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:33 -!- mason_l is now known as mason-l 08:54 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE78EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:20 < drazak> kanzure: all your base are belonged to the internet 09:53 < fenn> kanzure: add these to the ppt plz http://fab.cba.mit.edu/content/tools/design/web/git.html 09:53 < fenn> just the images 10:07 < fenn> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/stone-presentation/ 10:19 < fenn> kanzure: can you get this in ppt without it barfing? http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/stone-presentation/yaml.yaml 10:37 < strages> ybit: http://www.eetimes.eu/products/electromech/212902183 11:37 < drazak> kanzure: do you still have a bunch of papers on nanoparticles? 11:40 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE442F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:42 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 42fe328c4722 /core/yamlcrap.py: forgot iteritems(); fixes the "too many values to unpack" error 11:42 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r ad431bba5ea9 /packages/lego/lego.py: typo 11:42 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 9c281cccc4c2 /geom/geom.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 11:42 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE442F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:43 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE442F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:46 < kanzure> drazak: nanoparticles? hrm. you mean the eznanoparticle synthesis stuff? 11:52 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r c2435d2f8f83 /packages/threads/__init__.py: this probably has something to do with the "no module threads" error 11:52 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 3b3092f22766 /pymates/ (pymates.py rapid-test.py): ORANGE doesnt exist (on my pythonOCC at least) 11:52 < kanzure> what about PURPLE? 11:52 < fenn> nope 11:54 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/updates-from-austin.odp 12:27 < kanzure> " Living cells use energy to move actively and spontaneously. To influence them without jeopardizing their chemical makeup was a tremendous challenge. Dogariu and Sugaya began exploring the idea of moving an entire cell by focusing on its inner mechanisms. Inside the cells there are slender rods made up of a protein called actin. 12:27 < kanzure> “Actin rods are constantly vibrating, causing the cells to move sporadically” Sugaya said. The researchers demonstrated that low-intensity polarized light can guide the rods’ Brownian motion to ever-so-slowly line up and move in the desired direction." 12:28 < drazak> kanzure: I think you had a bunch of stuff about nanoparticles 12:28 < drazak> at some point 12:41 < kanzure> any other keywords? 12:43 < drazak> not that I remember 13:17 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/updates-from-austin.pdf 13:25 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:59 < fenn> http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/951-1 13:59 < fenn> kanzuretron, scriptify! 14:01 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/bulldozer.tar 15:35 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:57 < ybit> it's times like these when i wish i hadn't deleted my mirrored content 15:58 < ybit> strages: saw it, some time last i believe 15:58 < ybit> last +year 15:59 * ybit doesn't see the Suda paper on eugen's website 16:03 < ybit> argh, hate gmail's interface. 16:27 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:46 < katsmeow-afk> Phreedom of Phreedom.org? 16:46 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: eh? 16:47 < katsmeow-afk> i was just wondering 16:47 < katsmeow-afk> you're Phreedom, and there's a Phreedom.org 16:49 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: phreedom as in the other person who wants to live on a boat 16:49 < ybit> er.. water vehicle 16:50 < katsmeow-afk> he could still be the same Phreedom as Phreedom.org, it's not an exclusing possibility 16:50 < ybit> :) 16:50 < ybit> off to work 16:51 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: not in my case ;) 16:53 < katsmeow-afk> Today, after several days of smoke from trash fires, i purchased a double bib Tyvek hood and some aerosol/fume respirator cartridges. I have fans to run off batteries to blow thru the cartridges into the hood, to have clean air to breathe and no smoke in my hair or upper shirt area. 16:55 < katsmeow-afk> now might be a good time to buy steel, if you plan on a steelboat; you can get 3/16 4x8 plate under $100 17:08 < strages> interesting idea: say I wanted to make a cloud indoors, where would I start? 17:12 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:50 < fenn> 1) get or make an orbital habitat a couple miles across 17:50 < fenn> 2) add water 18:06 < CIA-38> brain: kanzure master * r768c102 / allenbraininstitute/mouse/gene_names_by_len : removing cruft (blank lines) - http://bit.ly/2xe57E 18:11 < CIA-38> brain: kanzure master * r06d34fd / allenbraininstitute/mouse/gene_names_by_len : passed the gene name list through uniq - http://bit.ly/AtLwE 18:11 < CIA-38> brain: kanzure master * r15ccede / allenbraininstitute/mouse/gene_names_by_len : 18:11 < CIA-38> brain: Revert "passed the gene name list through uniq" 18:11 < CIA-38> brain: This reverts commit 06d34fdb04b5ef18b19f301c620e61c2256b1fab. 18:11 < CIA-38> brain: it didn't work anyway - http://bit.ly/2FRIP1 18:11 < CIA-38> brain: kanzure master * r41cc077 / allenbraininstitute/mouse/gene_names_by_len : ran the file through uniq properly this time - http://bit.ly/hmuJf 18:15 < kanzure> jonathan totally screwed this section up: 18:15 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#What.27s_all_this_about_.22open.22.2C_anyway.3F 18:28 < genehacker> a cloud of what? 18:29 < genehacker> phosgene? 18:30 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/skdb-updates/updates-from-austin.html 18:34 < kanzure> oh fuck 18:34 < kanzure> zeroday: 18:34 < kanzure> http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2009-08/0174.html 18:34 < kanzure> '- Linux 2.6, from 2.6.0 up to and including 2.6.30.4 ' 18:34 < kanzure> '- Linux 2.4, from 2.4.4 up to and including 2.4.37.4 ' 18:34 < kanzure> 'All Linux 2.4/2.6 versions since May 2001 are believed to be affected: ' 18:34 < kanzure> Linus committed a patch correcting this issue on 13th August 2009. 18:34 < kanzure> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e694958388c50148389b0e9b9e9e8945cf0f1b98 18:34 < kanzure> "This bug was discovered by Tavis Ormandy and Julien Tinnes of the Google 18:34 < kanzure> Security Team. 18:34 < kanzure> -- 18:34 < kanzure> ------------------------------------- 18:34 < kanzure> tavisosdf.lonestar.org |" 18:34 < kanzure> sdf.lonestar.org?: 18:37 < genehacker> zero day for linux? 18:37 < drazak> sdf.lonestar.org is an old shell server 18:38 < genehacker> good thing I'm on vista right now 18:38 < genehacker> oh wait 18:42 < kanzure> genehacker: so did you figure out apt-get yesterday? 18:44 < genehacker> yes 18:44 < genehacker> I love linux 18:44 < kanzure> yeah? 18:44 < genehacker> yes 18:47 < kanzure> fenn: will you revert paths.py back to whenever it was working or something? 18:48 < kanzure> or fix the changes that broke it? 19:24 -!- genehackerclone [n=noko@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:36 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57 -!- splicer [n=patrik@h55n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:32 < kanzure> "intranasal stem cell therapy" 20:32 < genehackerclone> does it work? 20:41 < kanzure> "The migrating stem cells got a boost if the researchers first had the rodents snort an enzyme called hyaluronidase, whose day job is to make connective tissue more permeable. Of approximately 300,000 stem cells administered, an average of 584 reached the olfactory bulbs when the enzyme was not given; when it was, the number nearly tripled. The effect was muted for cells reaching the cerebral cortex and other areas of the brain, however." 20:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Intranasal%20delivery%20of%20cells%20to%20the%20brain.pdf (give it a few seconds to finish uploading) 20:48 < katsmeow-afk> that's not new news tho, is it? 20:48 < katsmeow-afk> wasn't that reported some yrs ago? 20:57 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 1a5c8b25ca15 /packages/lego/interfaces.py: Feature.type got overwritten by null, restore it 20:57 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 215763b12893 /packages/lego/demo.py: wrong interface name; this would just print the same thing every time 21:14 -!- jonathan__ [n=jonathan@66-90-167-249.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:14 < jonathan__> ping 21:14 -!- jonathan__ [n=jonathan@66-90-167-249.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 21:15 < kanzure> why'd they only let it go for 1 hour? 21:15 < kanzure> cells can't migrate that far in only one hour 21:21 < kanzure> maybe there's a way to deactive the nasopharyngeal mucosa 21:21 < kanzure> oh 21:21 < kanzure> glioma cells were able to migrate to the cerebral cortex (frontal cortex) 21:23 < kanzure> "viral capsids and macromolecules like albumin or liposomes injected into the striatum in rats were shown to be transported to the globus pallidus within 30 minutes (Hadaczek et al., 2006)" 21:27 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r ece46bc0d14d /core/part.py: make part1.options(part2) work 21:27 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 928d6aaee9da /packages/lego/data.yaml: didn't mean to leave part: null lying around 21:31 < ybit> kanzure: you were asking what type of clouds, i think strages is trying to do what bill gates is doing, in a smaller form atm 21:33 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 9aaed79b0e12 /core/skdb.py: make tags.yaml self-test work again 21:33 < kanzure> ? 21:33 < kanzure> part mating 21:35 < ybit> who is the mailing admin diyh+? 21:36 < kanzure> probably jata 21:36 < ybit> yup 21:42 < kanzure> can anyone give me a job 21:42 < QuantumG> as in employment? 21:43 < QuantumG> you're like the most inventive guy I know.. can't you start a cottage business of some sort? 21:44 < kanzure> how do I make people give me money? 21:45 < QuantumG> sell interesting stuff that people want :) it doesn't have to be something no-one else is selling, but that is interesting, and I know you like interesting. 21:45 < QuantumG> or do a service.. 21:46 < kanzure> that doesn't tell me how to make people give me money 21:46 < kanzure> don't get me wrong, I have a billion and one ideas 21:46 < kanzure> and lots of time to implement them 21:46 < QuantumG> people give you money because it is of more value to them to get you to do it than to do it themselves. 21:46 < kanzure> just because I am offering something you want doesn't mean you will give me money 21:47 < QuantumG> its a good start 21:49 < QuantumG> but, the thing to remember, we still live in the restricted-means-of-production economy 21:50 < kanzure> okay? 21:50 < QuantumG> if you can get access to some means of production that others cannot, you really don't have to think about how to make money. 21:50 < QuantumG> in your case, can you get access to a wet lab? 21:50 < kanzure> sure 21:51 < QuantumG> so what's the problem? pick a few protocols that people need done, put up a website to take "orders" and fulfill em 21:52 < QuantumG> people who don't have access to a wet lab or just have too much of their own wet lab work to do are your customers. 21:53 < kanzure> I'd rather sell kits. 21:54 < QuantumG> ya, so you'll be doing mailing until you hire people to do that for ya or outsource it.. but that requires volume. 21:54 < kanzure> so does doing protocols 21:56 < QuantumG> yeah. 21:58 < kanzure> does anyone have a tool that extracts images from PDFs? 21:59 < QuantumG> printscreen :) 21:59 < kanzure> I'm doing automatic image analysis on my PDF collection 21:59 < kanzure> I want to find all images that have arrows by training an image recognition association weighting engine thinger 21:59 < QuantumG> ahh 22:00 < kanzure> I guess I have this: 22:00 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/scripts/segment_image 22:01 < ybit> http://multivalent.sourceforge.net/Tools/pdf/Extract.html 22:01 < ybit> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphics/PdfRipImage-16804.shtml 22:01 < kanzure> yay 22:02 < ybit> and maybe something like http://incubator.apache.org/pdfbox/ ..there's some patches which allow image extraction from what i gather 22:03 -!- tarbo2_ [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:05 < kanzure> Journal of Source Code for Biology and Medicine: http://www.scfbm.org/ 22:09 < ybit> nice 22:12 -!- tarbo2 [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:20 < ybit> b 22:45 -!- any68844263 [n=someone@99-194-252-61.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:46 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-23-249.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:46 -!- any68844263 is now known as katsmeow 22:58 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 002897ca8eca /unittests/test_package.py: unscrew tests 22:58 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r f7c2809a4355 /unittests/tests.py: threads is a package now 22:58 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 851f7863b824 /packages/screw/ (data.yaml metadata.yaml): use standard container for screw 22:58 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 4aa1038e93bc /unittests/test_package.py: maybe someday these will be useful 23:35 < genehackerclone> does anyone here know about network booting? 23:36 < ybit> genehackerclone: what are you wanting to do? 23:36 < genehackerclone> turn on my computer from Mexico 23:36 < genehackerclone> so I can VNC into it 23:37 < QuantumG> wake-on-lan 23:37 < QuantumG> no, I don't know anything :) 23:37 < genehackerclone> ok 23:38 < QuantumG> Wake on LAN must be enabled in the Power Management section of a PC motherboard's BIOS setup utility. 23:38 < QuantumG> In addition, in order to get WoL to work it is sometimes required to enable this feature on the interface card. Details of how to do this depend upon the operating system and the device driver. 23:39 < QuantumG> you need to know the MAC address of the ethernet card in that computer 23:40 < QuantumG> http://www.depicus.com/ 23:40 < QuantumG> http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/wol-mini-howto-3.html 23:40 < genehackerclone> only have wireless 23:40 < genehackerclone> this will not work out 23:41 < genehackerclone> thanks for the info though 23:41 < QuantumG> :) 23:42 < QuantumG> some people I know run a company selling a product called "Greentrac" which tracks how active your computers are and allows admins to set different power profiles for different times of day/week. They use wake-on-lan to wake up the machines which have been shutdown by the profile. 23:43 < fenn> wake on lan != boot from network (or turn on computer from network either) 23:43 < genehackerclone> now I just need a good VNC client... 23:43 < fenn> you know what ssh is right? 23:44 < QuantumG> fenn: it isn't boot from network.. it *is* turn on a computer that has been appropriately shutdown by sending a magic packet across the lan. 23:44 < genehackerclone> no I don't 23:44 < fenn> *bonk* 23:45 < genehackerclone> it's a network communication protocol 23:45 < genehackerclone> that's all I know 23:46 < fenn> ssh -X will let you run stuff from a remote computer 23:46 < genehackerclone> and see the screen? 23:46 < fenn> it's not exactly like vnc but same general idea 23:46 < fenn> you just see the program you're running, not the whole screen 23:46 < genehackerclone> and not as vulnerable to attack as VNC? 23:46 < fenn> not nearly 23:47 < genehackerclone> I wonder how vulnerable VNC is without encryption and if I should even worry 23:47 < QuantumG> even with encryption it blows 23:48 < genehackerclone> how so? 23:48 < QuantumG> if you care about security, you should ssh into the machine and port forward the VNC port to your local machine 23:48 < QuantumG> password protection of VNC is a joke 23:49 < QuantumG> initially they were sending the password plaintext 23:49 < QuantumG> someone pointed that out 23:49 < QuantumG> then they switched to sending the password hashed 23:49 < genehackerclone> shit 23:49 < QuantumG> which is exactly the same 23:49 < genehackerclone> that is a joke 23:49 < fenn> that's pretty funny 23:49 < QuantumG> I don't know if they've moved to a trivial challenge/response yet 23:51 < fenn> the only thing vnc is good for is screencasting 23:51 < QuantumG> yeah, it's great.. it's just not secure :) 23:51 < QuantumG> setting up my mum's computer without going over there.. gold 23:51 < fenn> hmm ok 23:51 < fenn> if you're into that sort of thing 23:54 < genehackerclone> screencasting as in use a program from far away? 23:54 < fenn> no, as in making a movie 23:55 < fenn> i've had bad luck with existing tools (it might have gotten fixed tho) 23:55 < QuantumG> ahh.. 23:55 < QuantumG> VNC also has the session sharing stuff 23:55 < QuantumG> that's awesome 23:56 < QuantumG> we used to run it on our build machine 23:56 < QuantumG> and have 4 people vnc'd into the same machine at the same time 23:56 < fenn> gross