--- Day changed Sun Aug 16 2009 00:00 < ybit> are you suggesting though that they do use nanorex? 00:00 * ybit is familiar with the site 00:00 < fenn> does tu-muenchen use nanorex? probably not 00:01 < ybit> http://cadnano.org/ 00:01 < ybit> found it 00:01 < fenn> http://cadnano.org/ is on their links page 00:01 < ybit> linked to from http://bionano.physik.tu-muenchen.de/research_resources.html 00:03 < fenn> hmm. "look at us we're open source! you must install adobe AIR to use this" 00:04 < ybit> "Adobe AIR could not be installed because this is not a supported Linux distribution. Only RPM- and Debian-based Linux distributions are supported." 00:04 < ybit> wtf 00:05 < fenn> booo hiss 00:05 < ybit> git clone git://github.com/sdouglas/cadnano 00:06 < ybit> but ya still need air to compile it -_- 00:07 * ybit considers deleting the papers from /unsorted 00:08 < ybit> i'll give it a day 00:09 < fenn> is "unsorted" particularly bad or something? 00:09 < fenn> i mean the whole damn server is "unsorted" 00:12 < fenn> the power of vegetables: http://englishrussia.com/?p=4802#more-4802 00:14 < ybit> "Djurfeldt M. The connection-set algebra?a novel formalism for the representation of connectivity structure in neuronal network models. 2009." 00:15 < ybit> i dunno, i put everything i grab in there 00:16 < fenn> connection-set algebgra == hypergraph right? 00:17 < fenn> nothing a regular graph can't do, but i admit it's simpler for some things 00:19 < fenn> haha helicopter polo http://englishrussia.com/images/helicopter_race/30.jpg 00:34 < ybit> http://www.advogato.org/article/1015.html :: A smarter CLI - Innovation by Simplicity 00:40 < fenn> that article is terribly written 00:42 < fenn> "here is 50 different ways to do the same thing. have fun!" 01:17 < kanzure> advogato.org is weird in general 01:31 < fenn> mad scientist circa 1980 http://englishrussia.com/images/soviet_b&w/124.jpg 01:32 < fenn> cyclotron i think 02:03 < ybit> 00:02 * ybit considers deleting the papers from /unsorted 02:03 < ybit> s/papers/paper 02:07 < kanzure> why would you delete them 02:07 < kanzure> oh 02:09 < kanzure> wtf? http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mik-notes.txt 02:09 < kanzure> "machine invention kit" 02:10 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE6043.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:11 < kanzure> some old content: 02:11 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/books/ 02:19 < fenn> haha first time i've been accused of being a scientist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism 02:22 < kanzure> oh looks like I saved the robot9000 thread that led that fellow over to om: 02:22 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/_r9k_%20-%20ROBOT9000.html 02:23 < fenn> bleh.. i dont know how people can stand 4chan 02:31 < kanzure> was cleaning up my ~/ on leibniz 02:31 < kanzure> was doing a good job too 02:31 < kanzure> until I hit ~/cache/ 02:33 < fenn> thar be dragons 02:34 < kanzure> aha 02:34 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/chats/%23sl4.01.log 02:34 < kanzure> logs from #sl4 back when eli did the irc thing 02:36 < kanzure> huh emil's in there 02:37 < kanzure> Oct 11 00:41 my power comes from within; I need no '@' sign 02:40 < kanzure> Oct 12 17:45 #sl4 is not logged 02:41 < fenn> if it's on the internet, you better believe it's gonna get stirred around sooner or later 03:28 < fenn> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1584 They were probably using the brains to feed the zombies they were training to invade the US and turn it into a glorious worker’s paradise. But the zombies got agitated and attacked the scientists, killing them and eating their flesh. The infantry units deployed at the base were also eaten when their bullets proved to have no effect on the living dead. 04:30 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:46 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220.253-229-53.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:31 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:43 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- mage2 [n=mage@66.179.208.36] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:51 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE6043.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:05 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220.253-229-53.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:20 -!- Netsplit simmons.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mage2 08:43 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220.253-229-53.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 09:32 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:40 < kanzure> fyi, http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/cline/ some stuff I had forgotten that I got from jonathan 09:41 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 09:43 < kanzure> this looks interesting: Sensory Organ Replacement and Repair Gerald E Miller.pdf 09:44 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:45 < kanzure> Engineering and Manufacturing for Biotechnology Marcel Hofman Philippe Thonart.pdf 09:48 -!- kardan [n=kardan@p54BE2B38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:51 < kanzure> Biotechnology/Cell and Tissue Culture Laboratory Procedures - Alan Doyle.pdf 09:51 < kanzure> Biotechnology/Fruit and Vegetable Biotechnology - Victoriano Valpuesta.pdf 09:51 < kanzure> Biotechnology/Modern Advances in Chromatography - Springer.pdf 09:52 < kanzure> Botany/Carnivorous plants of the world - James Pietropaolo.pdf 09:52 < kanzure> Cell and Molecular Biology/Embryonic Stem Cells, Methods And Protocols - Kursad Turksen.pdf 09:53 < kanzure> Cell and Molecular Biology/Membrane Protein Protocols - Barry S. Selinsky.pdf 09:56 < kanzure> neat :) 09:56 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE6043.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:04 < kanzure> also, http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/kegg/ is interesting. for some reason it has a large amount of code that I completely forgot I wrote. 10:31 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:48 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:04 < kanzure> also of possible interest: 11:04 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/neurocog/oreilly/ 11:09 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:40 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 12:19 < drazak> kanzure: would the speed of my fan increase more if I doubled the freq or the voltage? 12:42 -!- mage2 [n=mage@66.179.208.36] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- Netsplit simmons.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mage2 13:09 < kanzure> http://www.biomag.hus.fi/tms/Thesis/dt.html modeling of transcranial magnetic stimulation. 13:15 -!- Phreedom_ [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:17 < drazak> so, where do you get the certification to work with radioactive materials? 13:18 < kanzure> supposedly I am "certified" to work with p32 at the university 13:18 < kanzure> but I only attended two hours of lecture about nuclear radiation 13:18 -!- Phreedom_ is now known as Phreedom 13:20 < drazak> huh 13:34 < fenn> i just filled out some forms and took a multiple choice test 13:34 < fenn> from the university radiation safety office 13:37 < kanzure> In [8]: pymates.start(); from copy import deepcopy,copy; lego_pack = pymates.load_package("lego"); lego_pack.load_data(); brick1 = deepcopy(lego_pack.parts[0]); brick2 = deepcopy(lego_pack.parts[0]); brick1.post_init_hook(); brick2.post_init_hook(); brick1.load_CAD(); brick2.load_CAD(); blah = pymates.mate_first(brick1); pymates.OCC.Display.wxSamplesGui.display.DisplayShape(blah); 13:37 < fenn> gah 13:37 < fenn> haven't you ever heard of import? 13:37 < kanzure> huh? 13:38 < fenn> from demo import * 13:38 < kanzure> yeah but that's the smart way to do it 13:39 < fenn> so what happens? 13:39 < fenn> i mean, does the geometry code work yet? 13:39 < kanzure> hold your horses 13:39 < fenn> niiiiih 13:45 < CIA-38> skdb: kanzure * r b6962cb / (core/part.py demo.py geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): trying to load a part and mate it with an imaginary origin interface 13:45 < kanzure> no it doesn't work at all 13:52 < drazak> fenn: I hope it's like that at our state/university 13:59 < kanzure> fenn: are there any interfaces defined for the first (0th) lego piece that are on the side of it 13:59 < kanzure> side of the model, I mean 14:11 -!- mage2 [n=mage@66.179.208.36] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:12 * kanzure tries to make sense of http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/CR/htm/CR.14.htm 14:14 < kanzure> hah 14:14 < kanzure> " 14:14 < kanzure> Art. 14.04. WHEN FELONY HAS BEEN COMMITTED. Where it is shown by satisfactory proof to a peace officer, upon the representation of a credible person, that a felony has been committed, and that the offender is about to escape, so that there is no time to procure a warrant, such peace officer may, without warrant, pursue and arrest the accused." 14:14 < kanzure> for some reason this is written like a game 14:14 < kanzure> "the peace officer may, without warrant, pursue" 14:16 < kanzure> "Art. 49.04. DEATHS REQUIRING AN INQUEST. (a) A justice of the peace shall conduct an inquest into the death of a person who dies in the county served by the justice if: (6) the person dies without having been attended by a physician;" 14:22 -!- Netsplit simmons.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mage2 14:26 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_in_the_Big_City "Angry Scientist. He often goes into fits of rage at General Specific when he calls him a 'Mad Scientist', (ANG-GU-REE!!, I am an ANG-GU-REE scientist!!), and on one occasion he is called the 'Angry Chemist', at the end of season 1 he considers calling himself "The Scientist With Some Issues"." 14:41 < drazak> kanzure: have you seen regenesis? 14:56 < kanzure> nope 14:58 -!- kanzure changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: ANGRY. I'm an ANGRY scientist. 15:05 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] 15:50 < bkero> Angry 15:50 < bkero> kanzure: You should. 15:50 < bkero> drazak: Regenesis high five. 15:50 < bkero> kanzure: It's on Hulu :) 15:50 < drazak> it's awesome 15:50 < drazak> if I had a choice of any fake lab on tv or in a movie 15:50 < drazak> I'd pick the regenesis lab 15:50 < bkero> Heh 15:51 < bkero> It has a lot more of a scientific basis than anything else I've seen on television or in a movie. 15:51 < drazak> yeah 15:51 < bkero> Which is terrible because now I have high standards. 15:51 < drazak> when it was live on tv there was a interactive thing on the web 15:51 < drazak> where you had to find the flaws in their science 15:51 < bkero> During the first two seasons. 15:51 < drazak> and it was on forums and crap 15:51 < drazak> (I missed out of all of that) 15:52 < bkero> It won the interactive fiction award for television for the two years they did it. 15:52 < drazak> nice 15:52 < bkero> They had a bigger scientific advisory board than cast. :) 15:53 < bkero> and it was put on by the Ontario Genomics Institute. 15:53 < drazak> I'm rewatching it for the thrid or fourth time 15:54 < drazak> also: they never EVER change the setting on their pippeter 15:54 < drazak> s 15:54 * bkero gets to start taking a giant regimen of biochem classes in 3 weeks. :/ 15:54 < drazak> I spend like, 1/4 of the time it takes to do anything changing the setting on my pippeters 15:54 < drazak> bkero: let me know if you need help 15:55 < bkero> Are you some sort of fancy biochemist? 15:55 < drazak> I work in a lab and have read 3 biochem textbooks, but sadly, I'm still in HS 15:55 < bkero> :) 15:55 < kanzure> reading books doesn't get you out of high school 15:55 < kanzure> using your legs and walking out, does 15:56 < drazak> :P 15:56 < bkero> Getting your GED and enrolling in college does. 15:56 < drazak> yeah, but then I get less college money 15:56 < bkero> Do you? 15:56 < drazak> yeah 15:56 < bkero> Or is that the carrot they're using to keep you in high school. 15:56 < bkero> I'd ask FAFSA on that one. 15:56 < drazak> I dunno 15:56 < bkero> Can't hurt to ask. 15:56 < drazak> I only have 1 more year 15:56 < drazak> so I don't really care 15:57 < bkero> But you could be taking college this year instead. ;) 15:57 * bkero stops being a bad influence. 15:57 < drazak> college is going to be boring the first 4 years 15:57 < bkero> Depends on what you do with it. 15:57 < bkero> I'm having a great time on my 4th year of undergraduate. 15:57 < bkero> I'm at a great lab though. 15:57 < drazak> are you at osu? 15:58 < drazak> biochem lab, computer lab, etc? 15:58 < bkero> www.osuosl.org 15:58 < drazak> ah, you're in the open source lab 15:58 < bkero> The girl on the front page is my ex girlfriend :P 16:00 < drazak> not as hot as my ex 16:01 < bkero> She's dual majoring in computer science and electrical engineering, and builds electric vehicles. 16:01 < drazak> she's dual majoring bio and chem, and pitches softball 16:02 < bkero> Different tastes. 16:04 < drazak> and she's hotter than your ex 16:04 * drazak runs 16:05 < bkero> That's great 16:06 < drazak> I kid 16:06 < drazak> anyway I kinda want all 11 seasons of MASH 16:06 < drazak> but the torrent is slower than me to wake up in this heat 16:59 < fenn> email takes too long. *complain* 17:01 < kanzure> what do you do when /list is too big? 17:01 < fenn> go to www.freenode.net or /list 17:02 < kanzure> is there a way to pipe it to a file without having to write a program that imports some esilly irc-lib 17:05 < fenn> hm ok nevermind, i thought www.freenode.net had a list of channels 17:05 < fenn> they dont even list registered channels 17:06 < drazak> kanzure: start a log of your status window, do /list, then stop the log 17:07 < kanzure> start a log? 17:07 < kanzure> oh right 17:07 * kanzure has logging already on 17:07 < kanzure> but sometimes the /list is too large 17:07 < kanzure> for instance, efnet has 12,000 channels 17:07 < drazak> fleanode has a lot 17:08 < drazak> fleanode has 27000 17:08 < fenn> how do you know that? 17:08 < drazak> /lusers 17:08 < kanzure> freenode has only a couple thousand 17:09 < fenn> i guess you'd have to count only channels with >2 people 17:10 < kanzure> efnet.org currently says 28,443 channels 17:10 < bkero> freenode has a focus though 17:11 < kanzure> not saying the channel count means anything 17:11 < kanzure> I just want the damn list 17:16 < fenn> look a snowman # 17:16 < fenn> aw 17:16 < bkero> unicodesnowman for you 17:25 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:31 < bkero> Fucking biology textbooks 17:31 < drazak> lol 17:31 < bkero> $604 for one course, $506 for another. 17:31 < drazak> sucks 17:31 < bkero> Fucking TORRENTS 17:32 < drazak> kanzure doesn't have the textbook you want? 17:32 < bkero> Dunno 17:32 < bkero> kanzure: ^ ? 17:32 < drazak> he has hundreds of textbooks 17:32 < drazak> he needs actual names 17:32 < bkero> Biology, author is Campbell, 8th edition 17:33 < bkero> I found 7th ed online 17:33 < bkero> WHAT THE FUCK THE PDF IS 765MB 17:33 < drazak> rofl 17:38 < bkero> Plus. Textbooks are useless without a quick 'find' feature. 17:40 < ybit> bkero: like one of my chemistry books in which every page is a .swf file 17:40 < bkero> ybit: I would fucking KILL EVERYTHING 17:42 < ybit> hehe, yep 17:43 < kanzure> yes I have the 8th 17:43 < kanzure> that's a scanned book, bkero 17:43 < bkero> kanzure: GIMME 17:43 < kanzure> sorry, wait, I have 6th and 7th 17:44 < bkero> I wonder if the prof will care 17:45 < bkero> kanzure: I'm also looking for one called 'Investigating Biology' by Morgan 17:45 < bkero> Hell, let me just make a little list and pastebin it 17:46 < bkero> Biology - 8th Edition, Campbell 17:46 < bkero> Investigating Biology - 6th Edition, Morgan 17:46 < bkero> Chemistry - 11th Edition, Brown 17:48 < bkero> Found chemistry, write edition. So now I just need to find the Morgan book and a more recent edition of the Campbell book. 17:48 < nsh> wtf 17:48 < nsh> a book full of swf... 17:49 < nsh> that's -- fucking criminal 17:49 < bkero> ybit: Did you see if there's some equally-stupid way of extracting text from SWFs? 17:49 < bkero> kanzure: I would appreciate if you had some smaller books for these though. 985MB scanned books are excessive. 17:50 < kanzure> you should start by checking out http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/ 17:51 < bkero> Nice collection 17:52 < flamoot> http://www.spaceelevatorblog.com/?p=1261 17:53 < fenn> hum. $604 for a single textbook? 17:53 < bkero> Combined textbooks 17:53 < fenn> you could probably just bribe the professor for less 17:53 < bkero> $168, $92, $243, and $101 17:54 < fenn> i thought you were a CS major 17:55 < bkero> I am 17:55 < fenn> why don't you just study biology if you're interested in it? 17:55 < bkero> There's a great bioinformatics cirriculum here, and lots of internship opportunities :) 17:55 < bkero> and I do anyways :P 17:56 < bkero> also the university requires a minor to receive the CS major. 17:56 < bkero> --or another major 17:56 < fenn> oh 17:56 < fenn> is that because it's a B.A.? 17:57 < bkero> BS 17:57 < fenn> weird 17:57 < bkero> Yea 17:58 < bkero> Biology minor for one year sets me right in line to get a BS in Bioresource bioinformatics/genomics, and hooked up with a nice research job. 17:59 < bkero> and I know some folks down at UCSD who could accept me in their lab if I wanted to transfer down there. 17:59 < flamoot> NICE 17:59 < flamoot> i'll stop you 17:59 < flamoot> these people might not have the courage 17:59 < flamoot> but i do. 17:59 * flamoot steps in front of bkero 17:59 < flamoot> now. 17:59 < flamoot> hush 17:59 < bkero> I've been stopped. 18:00 < flamoot> there there 18:00 * bkero cries over IRC bullies. 18:00 < flamoot> yes. 18:00 < flamoot> yes 18:00 < bkero> Also why am I being stopped? 18:00 < flamoot> it's just gone on long enough 18:00 < kanzure> bkero: if you're going to UCSD, check out the College of Creative Studies 18:00 < bkero> It's either idle chatter or dead silence in this channel, take your pick. ;) 18:01 < flamoot> ,_, 18:01 < bkero> kanzure: I've never heard of it, what's it about? 18:01 < kanzure> it's where disgruntled angry irc addicts go to let their university leave them alone and let them do their thing 18:01 < fenn> bkero: sorry i blew my wad on some mailing list, now i dont really feel like discussing H+ nar-nar 18:01 < bkero> kanzure: Sounds like paradise. 18:02 < bkero> fenn: hah, no problem 18:04 < fenn> i guess you can read the thread yourself if you want: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/283e69c619c5ad7f 18:05 < bkero> First Q is WTF is this on the openmanufacturing list? :P 18:06 * fenn blames kanzure 18:06 < kanzure> you're the one who hasn't fixed the code 18:07 < QuantumG> "Calling one of the best innovators and most public dreamers of the age a necromancer is something that calls all your words into question. " 18:07 < QuantumG> You shall not question our prophet! 18:08 < kanzure> gah 18:08 < kanzure> how can anyone like that guy 18:08 < bkero> NERD RAGE 18:08 < QuantumG> he's a smart guy.. and so was Ron L. Hubbard 18:08 < kanzure> what makes him smart 18:08 < fenn> Hubbard L. Ron 18:09 < fenn> a.k.a. "El Ron" 18:09 < fenn> as we say in texas 18:09 < ybit> http://www.iolanguage.com/ 18:09 < kanzure> ybit: see #io 18:09 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language) 18:09 * kanzure just went through all freenode channels today so has #io fresh in his mind 18:09 < ybit> and factor 18:09 < QuantumG> ybit: Io would be a good language if Steve would just stop changing it 18:14 < ybit> bkero: no, i didn't have time to mess around with the tools avialable, and eventually had to give into the system and buy a book at the time 18:15 < ybit> i like how everything's a command in tcl 18:15 < bkero> Sad 18:17 < ybit> does the podcast with joseph jackson and paul fernhout have anything interesting? 18:17 < ybit> otherwise it's just noise disturbing me 18:17 < fenn> dunno, havent even looked at it 18:17 < fenn> maybe if i had an ipod or something i'd listen to it on the bus 18:17 < ybit> so far it's everything which has been discussed on the mailing lists 18:17 < kanzure> I listened to it for a few seconds and then decided I didn't care 18:18 < kanzure> got through paul's photocoppier machine story 18:18 < fenn> ooh a story! please share! 18:19 < kanzure> no 18:19 < fenn> fascist 18:19 < kanzure> facist 18:19 < ybit> he thinks the neatest innovation he's seen come about is how printers were large and very few had them back in the day.. now everyone has them.. he sees the 3d printer that will have a similar future 18:19 < fenn> thanks lazyweb 18:20 < QuantumG> 'cep that printers are useful 18:20 < QuantumG> and the average joe knew what they were for. 18:21 < ybit> so for bookmarks... 18:21 < ybit> http://crm114.sourceforge.net/ 18:21 < ybit> http://www.fourmilab.ch/annoyance-filter/ 18:22 < ybit> and maybe.. 18:22 < ybit> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ 18:22 < ybit> http://bayesclasses.sourceforge.net/Bayes++.html 18:22 < ybit> and since i don't use apache... 18:22 < ybit> http://code.google.com/p/ncache/ 18:22 < ybit> and thanks for mentioning http://wn-similarity.sourceforge.net/ kanzure 18:23 < ybit> that is the wordnet which you were thinking of right? 18:23 < QuantumG> kitchen bread makers remain $99+ items, and I can't remember the last time I saw one. 18:23 < kanzure> ybit: there's a mroe general one out there 18:24 < fenn> bread maker doesn't even measure out the ingredients, and the bread sucks 18:24 < QuantumG> ya. It was an interesting fad. 18:24 < QuantumG> dunno why anyone is still making them. 18:24 < QuantumG> still tooled up for it I guess 18:24 < fenn> because now there is a "market" 18:24 < fenn> someone needs to take it to the next level 18:25 < fenn> open source auto-cook 18:25 < fenn> i'm quite serious 18:25 < QuantumG> the "I have all the appliances I need, I know, I'll buy a bread maker" market? 18:26 < QuantumG> cooks use too many ingredients. 18:26 < QuantumG> 90% of cooking is sourcing ingredients 18:27 < ybit> ugh.. something about a moon and paul graham... open source.. we discussed it last week, the group is related to luf iirc.. 18:36 < ybit> http://pexpect.sourceforge.net/pexpect.html 18:37 < ybit> Pexpect is a Python module for spawning child applications and controlling 18:37 < ybit> them automatically. Pexpect can be used for automating interactive applications 18:37 < ybit> such as ssh, ftp, passwd, telnet, etc. It can be used to a automate setup 18:37 < ybit> Libes' Expect, but Pexpect is pure Python. 18:37 < ybit> scripts for duplicating software package installations on different servers. It 18:37 < ybit> can be used for automated software testing. Pexpect is in the spirit of Don 18:40 < fenn> QuantumG: well perhaps we just need a robotic grocery store that delivers 18:42 < fenn> what i meant by "market" was "well we know people have bought breadmakers in the past, so here's some money for setting up a bread maker factory" 18:42 < kanzure> http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=13340&org=CMMI 18:49 < kanzure> huh http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/policydocs/pappguide/nsf09_29/gpg_1.jsp#ID2 18:49 < kanzure> so "unaffiliated individuals" are, in fact, allowed to submit grant proposals 18:49 < fenn> yep 18:49 < kanzure> "Unaffiliated individuals should contact the appropriate program before preparing a proposal for submission. " 18:51 < fenn> "It should present the merits of the proposed project clearly and should be prepared with the care and thoroughness of a paper submitted for publication." 18:51 < kanzure> the contact before preparing a proposal? 18:51 < fenn> no, that was talking about the full proposal 18:51 < kanzure> there's a pre-proposal too that matters kinda more 18:51 < kanzure> once you get the go-ahead you might as well write the proposal 18:52 < fenn> i think that's mostly so they can get a sense of how many people are going to apply 18:55 < fenn> fwiw it might be advantageous to be affiliated with some non-profit smokescreen 18:56 < kanzure> like hplus? 18:56 < fenn> right 18:56 < bkero> It's not hard to establish a nonprofit 18:57 < fenn> it's not hard to apply for a grant either :\ 18:57 < kanzure> none of these grants look like the right thing 18:57 < fenn> EDI looks like the right thing 18:57 < kanzure> and none of these subdivisions of NSF look interested in skdb 18:57 < kanzure> EDI? 18:57 < fenn> http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=13340&org=CMMI 18:58 < kanzure> CMMI? 18:58 < kanzure> ah 18:58 < kanzure> "design theory" 18:58 < fenn> CMMI is a division, EDI is a program 18:58 < kanzure> recent awards through that program: http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/progSearch.do?SearchType=progSearch&page=2&QueryText=&ProgOrganization=&WT.si_n=ClickedAbstractsRecentAwards&WT.si_x=1&WT.si_cs=1&WT.z_pims_id=13340CMMI&ProgOfficer=&ProgEleCode=1464&BooleanElement=true&ProgRefCode=&BooleanRef=true&ProgProgram=&ProgFoaCode=&RestrictActive=on&Search=Search#results 18:59 < fenn> nice url 19:00 < kanzure> "Collaborative Research: Quantifying Creativity in Automated Design through a Multiagent Coordination Framework" 19:06 < fenn> quantifying? 19:06 < fenn> is that the k-means thingy? 19:07 < kanzure> so, somehow these categories apply: CMMI, EDI, "cyberinfrastructure", manufacturing, manufacturing base research, cyberinfrastructure/science, cyber engineering systems, mechanical sciences & eng-res., mechanical systems, 19:09 < kanzure> /var/www/papers/outgoing/VisualizeIT-2009-JCISE.docx 19:09 < kanzure> er, that's the paper that we wrote I guess 19:16 < kanzure> Proposal Number: CBET-0742677; CBET-0742693; CBET-0742698; CBET-0742791 19:36 < fenn> kanzure: on leibniz could you copy /home/bryan/manufacturing/pythonocc/pythonOCC/build/lib.linux-i686-2.5/OCC/ to /usr/share/pyshared/OCC/ 19:37 < fenn> and maybe also /home/bryan/manufacturing/pythonocc/pythonOCC/build/OCC/ 19:37 < fenn> and link pyshraed/OCC to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ 19:43 < bkero> kanzure: Did you ever OCR textbooks? 19:43 < fenn> oh. i thought OCC was not installed because i get this when running paths.py: ImportError: No module named DataExchange.STEP 19:44 < bkero> !game 19:46 < fenn> bkero: you have a dog, a bunny, a baby and a jar of poison candy. how do you get them all across the river if you can only take one at a time? 19:46 < drazak> well the bunny will eat the dog, and the baby will eat the poison candy, unless the baby is in the presence of the bunny 19:48 < bkero> dog, baby, bunny, poison candy? 19:48 < drazak> dog eats the bunny 19:49 < bkero> You said it backwards 19:49 < drazak> well, you know what I meant 19:49 < drazak> no, baby, bunny poison candy, dog 19:49 < bkero> Nice excuse :P 20:09 < fenn> bah it seems they broke pythonOCC again 20:10 * fenn downgrades 20:15 < kanzure> hey uh, why don't I have "tree" installed? 20:27 < fenn> uh /me generates an excuse 20:27 < fenn> "Sysadmins unavailable because they are in a meeting talking about why they are unavailable so much." 20:29 -!- elias` [n=c@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit ["leaving"] 21:04 < fenn> i wasn't serious when i said "maybe by tomorrow i'll have pythonOCC installed" but it's starting to look that way 21:05 < kanzure> heh found "spanish.cpp" on the hdd somewhere 21:05 < kanzure> apparently I wrote a crossword puzzle solver for spanish crosswords .. while I was in class and before the crossword puzzle solution was due that day. 21:05 < fenn> bitchin 21:07 < fenn> i'm pretty sure we weren't allowed to use laptops in school 21:07 < kanzure> we were, we just weren't allowed to access the wireless network 21:07 < kanzure> by "we" I guess I mean me, and the one or two times someone else brought a laptop in the entire four years 21:08 < fenn> all right why does heekscad segfault immediately 21:09 < kanzure> are you in /home/bryan/manufacturing/heekscad/HeeksCAD/heekscad-read-only/ ? 21:09 < fenn> no this is on tub 22:16 < kanzure> Horribly simple polyphasic sleeping pattern data collector 22:16 < kanzure> Author: Bryan Bishop 22:16 < kanzure> Date: March 11th, 02006 @ 12:58 AM 22:16 < kanzure> huh 22:16 < kanzure> in log.php found in a backup of ~/home/bbishop/ on leibniz 22:31 -!- davidnunez_ [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:40 -!- davidnunez__ [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:47 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:49 < kanzure> so after cleaning up a good portion of my backups, randomly forgotten directories and other server miscellanea, wc -w *.txt in my docs folder (of things I've written) spits out 65,294 .. but this isn't including all of the stupid crap in the dot doc files. 22:50 < fenn> you might as well convert doc while you're at it, if it matters to you 22:51 < kanzure> wvHtml goes from doc to html, any better ideas? 22:51 < kanzure> it's just kind of annoying to only be able to get html out of it. :( 22:53 * ybit is uploading mprg to adl 22:56 -!- davidnunez_ [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:00 < ybit> mason-l: did you take a look at the post from kanzure on uzbl xpath and scraping? 23:00 * ybit sent you the link 23:01 < ybit> http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_thread/thread/cd11a83bcd3532b6/1e908ea08ba2d9f2?lnk=gst&q=uzbl#1e908ea08ba2d9f2 23:01 < mason-l> pyscholar? 23:04 < ybit> what exactly are you proposing, kanzure. why not just have some type of extension where you type a key such as "A" for archive and uzbl downloads the page to you ~/archives/sites 23:04 < ybit> s/you/your 23:04 < QuantumG> I was looking for a BSD licensed html renderer the other week.. didn't find one 23:06 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 4149e80 /packages/lego/ (brick_thick.stp data.yaml): add 2x4 brick, remove old 2x2 brick data 23:06 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r 81a8a40 /packages/lego/ (brick_thick_single_hole.stp data.yaml gear_pin1.stp): added technic pin and technic beam 23:06 < CIA-38> skdb: fenn * r fc1e07a / (10 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of adl.serveftp.org:/var/www/skdb 23:11 < kanzure> ybit: beause saving the page sucks 23:11 < kanzure> HTML is bloat 23:11 < kanzure> just get the data that you need and put it in a format that you already use 23:11 < QuantumG> ya 23:12 < ybit> but how to know what data you need automatically 23:12 < kanzure> you don't 23:12 < QuantumG> http://www.radiotelemetry.co.uk/pdf%20files/DS152%20TX7433%20Miniature%20Transmitter%20Radio%20Module%20Data%20Sheet.pdf 23:12 < kanzure> you look at the page once 23:12 < QuantumG> that's pretty sweet 23:12 < kanzure> and the idea is to select the elements on the page to extract the xpaths 23:13 < kanzure> then test it real quick to make sure it grabs the right data 23:13 < ybit> ah 23:13 < kanzure> then you're done 23:14 < kanzure> the advantage is that when the page changes its formatting, as it inevitably will, 23:14 < kanzure> you ask the user if he wants to deal with the issue at the moment, if yes pop up uzbl unobtrusively 23:14 < kanzure> presently it takes me way too long to write proper scraping utilities 23:15 < kanzure> as a result I'm more tempted to just go manually look over the webs 23:18 < ybit> have you tried using twill? ya should 23:19 < ybit> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/Manufacturing_Processes_Reference_Guide.tar.bz2 23:20 < ybit> ~340mb 23:21 < ybit> will need to crop, align, and reduce the size of the images 23:22 < ybit> a few other image adjustments and concat. into a pdf file 23:23 < ybit> one more book to go 23:44 < fenn> cool, thanks 23:57 < ybit> http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/xmonad-contrib-bluetilebranch/0.8.1/doc/html/XMonad-Actions-TopicSpace.html 23:57 < ybit> """Turns your workspaces into a more topic oriented system. 23:57 < ybit> This module allows to organize your workspaces on a precise topic basis. So instead of having a workspace called work you can setup one workspace per task. Here we call these workspaces, topics. The great thing with topics is that one can attach a directory that makes sense to each particular topic. One can also attach an action which will be triggered when switching to a topic that does not have any windows in it. So you can attach your mail client to