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01:09 < katsmeow-afk> IBM’s approach of using DNA molecules as scaffolding -- where millions of carbon nanotubes could be deposited and self-assembled into precise patterns by sticking to the DNA molecules - may provide a way to reach sub-22 nm lithography.
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07:07 < kanzure> http://xkcd.com/624/
07:07 < kanzure> "GitHub for Lesbians: Just because you can't get married doesn't mean you can't commit"
07:15 < kanzure> < mollusc> [mollusc@desktop ~]$ yum search cigars
07:15 < kanzure> < mollusc> Warning: No matches found for: cigars
07:15 < kanzure> < mollusc> However am I supposed to smoke my cigar now? :3
07:15 < kanzure> < Kliment> rpmfind?
07:19 < any02554638> http://xkcd.com/18/ can be taken a couple ways
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07:49 < drazak> kanzure: ping
07:49 < drazak> fenn: ping
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08:16 < kanzure> http://www.xkcdb.com/?2220
08:16 < kanzure> drazak: pong
08:16 < kanzure> but I have to go, so screw you :)
08:22 < drazak> yeah, nevermind
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09:33 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r c3913a1 /test_transformation.py: a method for testing gp_Ax2 from an interactive session
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10:03 < fenn> apt-get install vnc4viewer xvnc4viewer
10:03 < fenn> vncserver
10:03 < fenn> xvnc4viewer
10:04 < fenn> edit .vnc/xstartup to point to your wm, i.e. icewm instead of twm (since twm isn't installed on ubuntu)
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10:14 < kanzure> added a feature request: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/55/wx-threading-like-in-ipython
10:14 < kanzure> added an issue re: some ncurses crap in bpython: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/54/parsing-introspection-ncurses-viewer-neglects
10:16 < kanzure> also added pgup/pgdown as a request: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/56/scroll-up-down-in-buffer-doesnt-work
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10:23 < kanzure> fenn: that was vnc4server not vnc4viewer
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13:19 < fenn> pipes generator http://www.oyonale.com/modeles.php?lang=en&page=20
13:25 < fenn> #macro MadPipe(rPipe,lPipe,nPipe,dPipe,box_container,box_hole,nDeco,sd,doFile,fn
13:26 < fenn> ame)
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13:39 < kanzure> window 18
13:39 < kanzure> well I fail at life
13:43 < genehacker> huh what happened?
13:44 < drazak> kanzure: you do know taht you can do /win right?
13:44 < genehacker> using winblows?
13:45 < genehacker> try hitting the computer harder
13:45 < bkero> Bahaha http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00989689000P
13:46 < kanzure> drazak: yeah
13:46 < kanzure> genehacker: no
13:50 < kanzure> pythonOCC update to 0.3 .. might as well install that since I've been recompiling everything on my end anyway
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13:54 < fenn_adl> rawr
13:54 < kanzure> a wild fenn_adl appeared!
13:54 < kanzure> quick, blastoise! use hydropump
13:55 * fenn_adl counters with smelly sock attack
13:55 < ybit> it won't work, he's not suceptible to water
13:55 < kanzure> then we'll have to use an aether-type attack
13:55 < kanzure> maxwell! use pde-solve
13:55 < fenn_adl> so, as i'll be saying in approximately another 300 seconds:
13:55 * kanzure rewrote fenn's existence
13:55 < fenn_adl> this doesn't look so bad: vacuumframe1-FILE
13:55 * kanzure starts counting
13:56 < kanzure> fenn_adl: did you look at vacuumframe1-FILE on the adl box?
13:56 < fenn_adl> so why are they referencing external files in this .repo file?
13:56 < kanzure> they are not external
13:56 < kanzure> they are actually in the dot repo file
13:56 < fenn_adl> are they afraid of using a folder or something?
13:56 < kanzure> I wrote a script to extract files from the dot repo file
13:56 < kanzure> yeah apparently
13:56 < kanzure> honestly I don't know why they wanted to put the files in the xml file
13:56 < kanzure> and base64 encode them even
13:56 < kanzure> it makes it nearly impossible for me to get to the data
13:57 < kanzure> last year I had to write some base64 decoder by hacking the repositoryEntryApp
13:57 < kanzure> just to see how the fuck they encoded the data
13:57 < kanzure> so that I may have a chance of extracting the data
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13:57 * kanzure doesn't remember whether or not he finished actually doing that
13:57 < kanzure> at least I extracted the data
13:57 < kanzure> it's somewhere on davinci.. have fun I guess
13:57 < fenn_adl> vacuumframe1-FILE.10134 looks like ascii coded binary
13:58 < kanzure> path please
13:58 < kanzure> /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo/irobot_roomba/vacuumframe1-FILE.10134 ?
13:58 < fenn_adl> heh googling "10134" points to a lego kit
13:58 < fenn_adl> yes
13:58 < kanzure> are you sure that's not base64?
13:58 < fenn_adl> i dont care what you call it
13:58 < fenn_adl> it's some sort of binary coding in ascii
13:59 < kanzure> ok thought you were referencing some particular encoding scheme
13:59 < fenn_adl> so anyway what's the point of that?
13:59 < kanzure> of putting files into an xml file?
13:59 < fenn_adl> when they could just store the actual binary file
13:59 < fenn_adl> it's not in the xml file
13:59 < kanzure> you're looking at the xml files that I "cleaned"
13:59 < fenn_adl> huh?
14:00 < fenn_adl> the -FILE.* stuff is your work?
14:00 < kanzure> yes I extracted those from the xml files
14:00 < fenn_adl> oh.
14:00 < kanzure> this one should have the stuff in the XML: /home/bryan/lab/repo/irobot roomba.repo
14:00 < fenn_adl> i thought they had seen the light or something
14:00 < kanzure> no
14:00 < kanzure> er wait
14:00 < kanzure> that .repo file doesn't have it either
14:00 < kanzure> was there any external data for the roomba?
14:01 < kanzure> oh there it is
14:01 < kanzure> it's near the end (line 5180)
14:01 * fenn_adl abuses the lan
14:01 < fenn_adl> ew that's all on one line
14:01 < kanzure> yes
14:02 < kanzure> 3990342 chars
14:03 < kanzure> somewhere my perl scripts are resting away
14:03 < kanzure> the ones that extracted the data from the repository
14:04 < kanzure> but honestly I'm not too interested in storing all of this binary data in a git repository
14:04 < kanzure> because it kind of totally misses the point
14:04 < kanzure> maybe storing them externally would be okay?
14:04 < fenn_adl> i dont understand xml
14:04 < kanzure> like, static content belongs at a static URI
14:04 < fenn_adl> why do you need to say color twice?
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14:04 < kanzure> fenn_adl: because these guys probably generated the XML from the database
14:04 < kanzure> and in the database table, I bet they have a table called Color
14:04 < kanzure> with a cell/column called "ColorName"
14:05 < kanzure> so when they dump the data to xml, they probably just use the column name as the attribute name in the XML element
14:05 < kanzure> nice to see you fenn
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14:30 < fenn_adl> /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo2/irobot_roomba
14:31 < kanzure> /home/bryan/lab/read_indices.pl
14:31 < kanzure> and make_pretty_3.pl
14:31 < kanzure> and make_pretty_2.pl
14:32 < kanzure> and extract_internal_repo_files.pl
14:32 < kanzure> also, I have no idea what this might be: base64decode.pl
14:32 < kanzure> huh these sound actually useful
14:33 < kanzure> extract_internal_repo_files.pl has some comments
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14:39 < kanzure> rob's repo stuff is now officially known as ..
14:39 < kanzure> uh
14:39 < kanzure> stonerepo
14:39 < kanzure> http://designengineeringlaboratory.org/
14:40 < kanzure> delrepo
14:40 < kanzure> ok.
14:41 < kanzure> fenn_adl: can you talk to me in the channel instead?
14:42 < kanzure> hm vim was showing a <95> thingy that was really a single character
14:42 < kanzure> I think this is the source of the encoding errors in monodevelop in SearchIO.cs (in graphsynth, in case anybody else is wondering what svn repo I'm talking about)
14:45 < fenn_adl> glug
14:46 < fenn_adl> stuff in /home/bryan/lab is not part of any other project right?
14:46 < kanzure> um
14:46 < fenn_adl> erm. the del repo scripts at least
14:46 < kanzure> stuff in /home/bryan/lab/ has all sorts of crap
14:46 < fenn_adl> base64decode.pl and extract_internal_repo_files.pl etc
14:46 < kanzure> do you mean just those files? yes, just those perl scripts were only a part of this particular "XML dot repo file cleansing" project
14:47 < kanzure> you can move those into a subdir if you want
14:47 < kanzure> nothing else really calls them
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14:54 < kanzure> uh oh
14:54 < kanzure> where's the actual svn repository?
14:54 < kanzure> apparently /var/www/adl/ hasn't been updated since 2008-08-08
14:54 < kanzure> and I'm fairly certain campbell has made some changes since then, right?
14:54 < fenn_adl> dunno
14:54 < kanzure> fenn_adl: see also unbase64_CDDs.sh
14:55 < fenn_adl> i think /var/www/adl is it
14:55 < kanzure> check the "svn log" on that or something
14:55 < kanzure> or "svn changelist"
14:55 < kanzure> or "svn info"
14:56 < kanzure> oops, svn changelist doesn't do what I thought it would, sorry
14:56 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 86e22ca /import_tools/del_repo/readme: short explanation what these files are about
14:56 < CIA-32> skdb: Bryan Bishop * r 20d9e80 /import_tools/del_repo/ (3 files): yay revision control
14:56 < fenn_adl> hah
14:57 < kanzure> how do I get the equivalent of "git log" in svn?
14:57 < fenn_adl> svn log
14:57 < kanzure> nope
14:58 < kanzure> just shows me the last three or something
14:58 < kanzure> and even then doesn't show anything descriptive
14:58 < kanzure> because campbell doesn't actually tell us what he's committing
14:58 < fenn_adl> r94 is current?
14:58 < kanzure> yes
14:59 < fenn_adl> 2009-08-20 14:53 transactions
14:59 < fenn_adl> that was in /var/www/adl
14:59 < kanzure> what?
14:59 < kanzure> okay looks good
14:59 < kanzure> but I would like to see the log though
14:59 < fenn_adl> /var/www/adl/db/transactions
14:59 < kanzure> just for seeing what he's been up to
14:59 < fenn_adl> what log?
14:59 < kanzure> there's no quivalent to "git log" ?
14:59 < fenn_adl> does campbell do commit messages?
14:59 < kanzure> not really
15:00 < kanzure> but maybe there's something like "git log -p"?
15:00 < kanzure> gah I have to be the only guy on the planet that is asking for git->svn instead of svn->git
15:00 < fenn_adl> svn log
15:00 < fenn_adl> fenn@adl.serveftp.org's password:
15:00 < fenn_adl> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
15:00 < fenn_adl> r94 | bryan | 2009-08-20 14:53:14 -0500 (Thu, 20 Aug 2009) | 1 line
15:00 < fenn_adl> make fundamental classes and interfaces compile under monodevelop under linux without WPF (added some preprocessor directives)-- this will break the compilation on Windows, but it is avoidable by doing some platform specific ifdef preprocessor directives that I completely don't know how to do.
15:00 < kanzure> yeah that's just the last few commits though
15:00 < fenn_adl> there's only 94 commits
15:00 < fenn_adl> mine goes all the way back to r1
15:00 < kanzure> oh I have to do --incremental apparently
15:00 < kanzure> btw what's your svn version?
15:01 < kanzure> mine seems to be: svn, version 1.5.1 (r32289)
15:01 < fenn_adl> 1.5.4
15:01 < kanzure> how is it that you're ahead of me on everything but you're not on experimental? or something
15:01 < fenn_adl> what's "non-incremental" log?
15:01 < kanzure> it's one that goes into the future (maybe)
15:01 < fenn_adl> this is ubuntu, which is typically ahead of debian stable but behind debian unstable
15:01 < fenn_adl> i'm not sure where testing is relative
15:01 < fenn_adl> to ubuntu*
15:02 < kanzure> bah, all this package wrangling is what package managers are supposed to be doing for me
15:02 < kanzure> and if not the manager software then at least the package maintainers
15:03 < fenn_adl> package wrangling?
15:04 * fenn_adl reads m
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15:04 < fenn_adl> s|m| http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian |
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15:14 < fenn_adl> hmm @ http://lego.bldesign.org/LSculpt/
15:15 < fenn_adl> that link is a must-see
15:19 < genehacker> kanzure do you have a nice attributes file format yet?
15:20 < genehacker> a nice file format that list out say voltage requirements and torque output for say a stepper motor
15:20 < genehacker> and other stuff like is said stepper motor corrosion resistant
15:22 < fenn_adl> wow the guy who wrote that is "at the University of California, Berkeley. I work in the Human Engineering Laboratory on the exoskeleton project."
15:23 < fenn_adl> and his personal lego models are pretty badass
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15:37 < kanzure> genehacker: yeah there is
15:43 < kanzure> genehacker: just tell me when you want to take a look at it
15:44 < kanzure> ldraw-parts-library-unix-complete.tgz
15:44 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/ldraw-parts-library-unix-complete.tgz
15:51 < kanzure> fenn_adl: try /home/bryan/leocad-notes
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16:01 < kanzure> :%s/34//g
16:01 < kanzure> :%s/32//g
16:01 < kanzure> :%s/(34|32|36)//g
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16:19 < genehacker> I'd like to take a look
16:19 < genehacker> is it simple?
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17:09 < fenn> yo ho ho and a barrel of cats
17:09 < kanzure> no
17:09 < kanzure> no cats
17:09 < kanzure> genehacker: it's so simple it will make your mother weep
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17:45 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/Physiology/01-04-07,%20Muscle%20Contraction.html
17:49 < kanzure> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/anneal/www/matt3.gif
17:53 < kanzure> opie:Matthew Campbell:mc76@andrew.cmu.edu
17:56 < fenn_> aha. seb kuzminsky http://highlab.com/family/2009.05.05.april/index.html
18:01 < fenn_> seb's pictre reminded me of (xabier barandiaran) a debian maintainer(?) i met at an artificial life conference: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/167392239_2d9bff3501.jpg?v=0
18:02 -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn
18:05 < genehacker> speaking of artificial life
18:05 < kanzure> genehacker: ok, here's your link
18:05 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/metadata.yaml
18:06 < kanzure> see also:
18:06 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/
18:06 < genehacker> I'm wondering what a search algorithm would find as an optimal space fighter design
18:06 < kanzure> space fighter?
18:06 < genehacker> yeah
18:06 < genehacker> a space fighter
18:06 < kanzure> like, "clutter it up! clutter it up!"
18:06 < kanzure> ?
18:07 < genehacker> perhaps it will find something with retractable radiators that looks like it has wings
18:07 < genehacker> after all thermal dissipation is a big problem in space
18:07 < genehacker> well it's not related
18:08 < genehacker> I like that file format
18:08 < genehacker> trying to figure out how I'd write one up for my stepper thing though
18:11 < genehacker> you might be able to extract dependencies from thingiverse if it ever takes off
18:14 < genehacker> now if you only had a nice gui for making templates we'd be set
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18:19 < kanzure> it was not obvious that "svn info" takes an argument (the file name)
18:19 < kanzure> and that it defaults to the current directory
18:20 < kanzure> so that was why I was seeing that the "last changed rev:" was so old
18:20 < fenn> genehacker: ah, you mean star wars designs aren't realistic enough for you? :)
18:20 < fenn> read "footfall" by niven+pournelle
18:20 < fenn> they have an orion ship with EMP-powered gamma ray laser fighters
18:21 < fenn> the aliens have high power solid state lasers and some kind of fusion rockets
18:23 < fenn> here is a drawing of it http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=977
18:25 < fenn> the laser thingies were launched from tubes with steam pressure.. i think they were just cylinders about 1.5m diameter 10m long with the human in a little sphere on one end
18:26 < fenn> peroxide rockets
18:27 < fenn> must admit i'm skeptical about attaching a space shuttle to the side of it
18:28 < genehacker> yeah
18:29 < genehacker> I just finished a game with a spaceship that was semi-real
18:29 < genehacker> had wing things
18:30 < genehacker> so that gave me an idea of how to solve the radiator achilles heal
18:30 < genehacker> have retractable radiator fins that only open when firing
18:30 < fenn> there's a linux video game which obeys newtonian gravitation
18:30 < fenn> it's really fucking hard
18:31 < genehacker> what's it called
18:31 < fenn> everything we've been taught about spaceships has been a lie
18:31 < QuantumG> I'm doing some GA this morning for rocket guidance simulation
18:31 < genehacker> cool
18:31 < genehacker> yeah the game I played was 2d
18:32 < QuantumG> doesn't work real well, but I'm too lazy to learn how to do it myself
18:32 < genehacker> do you know PID control?
18:32 < genehacker> 10 year olds can learn how to program PID based control systems
18:32 < genehacker> I've seen it happen
18:33 < genehacker> fenn is that game 3d?
18:35 < genehacker> I'd really like to see a 3d space game that's reality based
18:37 < fenn> well i can't find it again
18:37 < fenn> it was 2d with really crappy graphics, i think the background was white
18:37 < fenn> might have been java based
18:37 < fenn> or maybe just sdl
18:38 < fenn> PID is hard to understand until you sit down and play with it
18:38 < genehacker> did it have triangular crafts and planets?
18:38 < genehacker> yeah
18:38 < fenn> it wasn't slingshot
18:38 < genehacker> just something I saw
18:38 < genehacker> yeah that's what rigidchips lets you do
18:38 < fenn> celestia has a realistic motion mode
18:39 < drazak> kanzure: who thefucksays paywall
18:39 < fenn> me
18:39 < fenn> what do you call it?
18:40 < fenn> "toll booth on the information superhighway"?
18:40 < fenn> more like highway robbery
18:42 < genehacker> heh
18:42 < genehacker> so what do we do when bandwidth is free?
18:43 < fenn> it is practically free
18:43 < genehacker> no
18:43 < fenn> as far as journal articles at least
18:43 < genehacker> when it is free
18:43 < fenn> you can download 500 journal articles in the time it takes you to sip your coffee
18:43 < genehacker> fast and free
18:43 < fenn> the wifi is free with the coffee
18:43 < fenn> so are you paying for the coffee or the bandwidth?
18:44 < genehacker> well per entertainment hour it's incredibly cheap
18:44 < genehacker> cheaper than drugs
18:45 < fenn> btw orionsarm.com has a lot of realistic space concepts
18:47 < genehacker> but I will not consider it free until it's fast enough for me to ship a telerobot with stereo cameras and manipulators across the pacific ocean to the austrailian outback and get the full experience of being there without being there
18:47 < genehacker> cool
18:47 < fenn> you drive a hard bargain
18:48 < genehacker> apparently 0.50 peso coins have an cycloidal pattern on there edges
18:48 < genehacker> they are almost cycloidal gears
18:50 < genehacker> oh wait just the pattern on the inside
18:56 < fenn> engine turning?
18:56 < genehacker> huh?
18:57 < fenn> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/Guilloche.jpg
18:58 < genehacker> yup
18:58 < genehacker> that's it
18:58 < genehacker> that cycloidal pattern around the side
18:59 < fenn> sorry i guess that's guilloche not engine turning
18:59 < fenn> i guess i was thinking 'rose engine turning'
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20:52 < kanzure> fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo.txt or /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo.txt
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20:57 < kanzure> jr;;p s[;ocer
20:57 < kanzure> hello splicer
20:57 < splicer> hi kanzure
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21:29 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/gp-ax2-test.txt
21:36 < kanzure> ok refresh
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21:48 < kanzure> ok yet another one
21:49 < kanzure> fenn: when it has no text for the result, it's a standard constructor error
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23:19 < genehackerclone> ugh
23:19 < genehackerclone> blue singularity of death windows error
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23:25 < ybit> 13:38 < drazak> kanzure: you do know taht you can do /win right?
23:26 < ybit> you can also make your own command such that /w represents /win so all you have to do is /w 18
23:32 < ybit> katsmeow: you weathered teh storm with no damage?
23:33 < katsmeow> afaik
23:33 < katsmeow> i have not been outside to verify, it's all dark out there
23:42 < genehackerclone> heh
23:43 < genehackerclone> I can see storms in ohklahoma
23:48 < ybit> http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/ just saw the video to this instructable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drMZqmyXQc&feature=related
23:48 < ybit> 0
23:49 < ybit> that's cool that you recieved a diving cert. genehackerclone, bet that was lots of fun
23:50 * katsmeow looks jealous
23:51 < ybit> http://www.instructables.com/id/My_30_Milling_Machine/
23:51 < ybit> okay, i have to build something like this if it's only $30
23:52 < ybit> sleepy time
23:53 < katsmeow> how does one take a heavy steel rod,a nd make it so it accepts milling bits at one end?
23:53 < katsmeow> bore it 1/2 inch, slot it, taper it, and put a collar over it to collapse it onto the bit's shank?
23:54 < fenn> drill a hole in the end and add a set screw?
23:54 < fenn> (that's what i did)
23:55 < katsmeow> surely that's not accurate enough
23:55 < fenn> accurate enough for what
23:55 < katsmeow> whatever people say it's not accurate enough for whatever i do with it
23:55 < fenn> it acted like a pneumatic piston when pushing the shank into the hole
23:55 < katsmeow> drill a vent hole :-)
23:55 < fenn> nah i was too entertained by it
23:55 < katsmeow> heh
23:57 < fenn> katsmeow: i step drilled it by 1/8"s and then one letter size under before a final pass with 3/8" bit (i have 3/8" shank end mills)
23:59 < katsmeow> what size was the shaft?
23:59 < fenn> 1.25 i think