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08:32 < kardan|> hey guys, what do you think of this: http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/modulus-the-eco-friendly-laptop-well-kinda
08:33 < kardan|> you can assemble and disassemble the various parts using the snap fittings so I guess that means you can put your tool bag away. If something goes wrong you don’t have to replace the whole thing, or send it back lock stock and barrel to the manufacturer and wait impatiently for its return; you just replace the individual component. What could be easier than that?
08:56 < kanzure> ./skdb-get.py --verbose --repo http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb-packages/ lego
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10:51 < kanzure> "the colony" is lame
10:51 < kanzure> where did the machinist randomly get his drill press?
10:52 < kanzure> they just so happened to have a warehouse with solar panels, machine tools, water purifiers, and a store of beans and rice? that seems unlikely
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14:39 < kanzure> blargh
14:48 < ybit> ?
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15:06 < ybit> oi genehacker 
15:14 < ybit> so what's going on today?
15:14 < genehacker> ello ybit
15:15 < genehacker> http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=1564612
15:15 < genehacker> do you have any homing pigeons?
15:15 < genehacker> I think they might be a secure way to transfer files
15:16 < ybit> until a redneck shoots it down
15:16 < genehacker> oh dear
15:17 < genehacker> that might be a problem
15:17 < genehacker> anyway
15:17 < genehacker> I'm trying to install my textboo
15:17 < genehacker> k
15:17 < genehacker> it's pdf that's been crippled
15:17 < ybit> so i've read
15:17 < genehacker> it also doesn't work on linux
15:18 < genehacker> the website says it's good to share
15:19 < genehacker> i need a cat
15:19 < genehacker> or some other furry animal to agree to the user agreement
15:19 < ybit> smash a spider on the left click button
15:19 < genehacker> oops
15:19 < genehacker> I accidently pressed ok?
15:19 < genehacker> what should I do?
15:20 < genehacker> I don't know how to stop installation?
15:20 < genehacker> I don't know how to computer
15:20 < ybit> ps -aux | grep <some keyword which may show up> 
15:20 < ybit> kill -9 <the process id>
15:22 < genehacker> huh?
15:22 < genehacker> what does that do?
15:22 < ybit> you asked how to kill the process, was just explaining
15:22 < ybit> man ps
15:22 < ybit> man kill
15:23 < genehacker> man = manual
15:23 < genehacker> I will remember that
15:25 < ybit> random read fact: 6 qintillion 250 quadrillion electrons is in one electron
15:25 < ybit> s/electron/coulomb
15:44 < genehacker> ok
15:48 < genehacker> FSCK
15:49 < genehacker> I just accidently subscribed to keep me informed of new products!
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16:17 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r f2a6315 /doc/technical-devices.yaml: yawn
16:18 < xp_prg> hi partiers!
16:18 < xp_prg> drazak_ I am working on your program right now
16:48 < genehacker> ugh
16:49 < genehacker> textbook doesn't appear to be in PDF
16:54 < genehacker> this might mean I NEED AN INTERNET CONNECTION TO USE MY BOOK
17:02 < kanzure> why not just download the html?
17:02 < kanzure> use: wget -m
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17:10 < genehacker> what HTML?
17:11 < kanzure> how are you reading it?
17:12 < genehacker> I don't see any
17:13 < genehacker> book works without internt
17:38 < xp_prg> http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/wiki/PageName?ts=1251585470&updated=PageName
17:38 < xp_prg> help me if you want
18:04 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 25f787d /doc/technical-devices.yaml: more devices
18:17 < fenn> kanzure: can you kick "diann hindle" from atxfab?
18:23 < kanzure> done. also fixed the group settings to prevent that from happening in the future.
18:43 < fenn> while you're cracking out on lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Laboratory_equipment
18:44 < fenn> not that i know what you're going to do with these lists
18:44 < fenn> genehacker: have you ever read this? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
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18:56  * fenn unsubscribes from wta-talk
18:57  * bkero noms
18:57 < fenn> bkero how many hours do you sleep on average?
18:58 < bkero> fenn: 8 hours or so
18:58 < fenn> do you set an alarm clock for the most part?
18:58 < bkero> On weekdays when I have to go to work
18:58 < bkero> I wake up an hour later on weekends
18:59 < bkero> 3AM-10AM sleep schedule typically
18:59 < fenn> you go to work at ~11?
18:59 < bkero> I go to work ~10
18:59 < bkero> Usually get there around 10:15 or so
18:59 < bkero> 3 minute bike ride
18:59 < fenn> comfy
19:00 < bkero> It's not too bad
19:00 < fenn> how many hours a week do you watch television?
19:01 < bkero> I don't own a television
19:01 < fenn> do you cook food at home or eat at restaurants?
19:01 < bkero> I have a projector with boxee media centre.  As far as watching shows that were once broadcast on television, typically about a 24-show season per week
19:01 < bkero> Eat out a lot
19:02 < fenn> so about 12 hours a week?
19:02 < bkero> 40 minute episodes
19:02 < bkero> 16 hours per week
19:02  * bkero has been watching farscape
19:02 < fenn> would you say there is a vibrant local community of people that Get Shit Done?
19:03 < bkero> Wouldn't know
19:03 < bkero> What's the purpose of this?
19:03 < bkero> Are you filling out a survey with my info?
19:03 < fenn> heh no
19:03 < fenn> attempting to isolate what's wrong with my life
19:03 < bkero> Everybody I work with gets shit done.
19:04 < bkero> Only reason I go to school here is my job
19:04 < fenn> what is your job?
19:04 < bkero> http://osuosl.org/about/people
19:05 < bkero> Being the resident crazy person
19:05 < fenn> nice buzzword soup
19:06 < bkero> Thanks
19:06 < bkero> You sure something is wrong with your life?
19:07 < fenn> well it's not what i imagined..
19:10 < fenn> maybe i just need to stop eating cooked food
19:11 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 42392af /doc/technical-devices.yaml: electronic devices (basic) added. not inclusive of anything interesting unfortunately.
19:11 < bkero> Er
19:11 < bkero> I wouldn't suggest a raw diet
19:12 < bkero> Watch some Good Eats and find something delicious and healthy to cook/nerd about.
19:41 < ybit> fenn: what do you not like about your life?
19:47 < ybit> speak up, this is therapy session time
19:48 < ybit> my guess is that it's your sleeping schedule
19:49 < kanzure> sorry, fenn's sleeping right now and can't return your call
19:52  * bkero is debugging gentoo.  Stupid gentoo is being stupid
19:52 < bkero> OpenSSL is killing X. :/
19:53 < bkero> for i in $(qlist -IvC); do sudo equery check =$i; done
19:53 < bkero> CHecking the md5sum of every package-owned file on my system
19:55 < ybit> is this thing on? hello?? *clears throat* hey fenn, it's ybit.. just thought i'd respond to one of your previous messages, maybe you should try changing your sleeping schedule, i know it helps me. another health tip is to not have caffeine past 3pm or exercise 3 hours or less before sleeping.. anyway, you'll probably never get this so i'll just say it now.. i f*(#&@ your mom last night. cheers
19:56 < ybit> but seriously, staying awake past 3am doesn't allow me to get the proper sleep that i think i need while not using modafinil or related drugs
20:00 < ybit> bkero: nice
20:03 < ybit> isn't there a su -c command or something equivalent of sudo.. i forget..
20:04 < bkero> su will let you change users
20:04 < bkero> sudo su - ybit will make me ybit
20:04 < ybit> right
20:04 < ybit> but i thought there was a way to pass an argument as well
20:05 < ybit> su username -c command is what ##linux says
20:05 < bkero> man su ;)
20:05 < ybit> i knew it was something like that
20:05 < ybit> yeah yeah
20:05 < bkero>     -c, --command COMMAND
20:05 < bkero>            Specify a command that will be invoked by the shell using its -c.
20:06 < ybit> so it makes one ask what the point of sudo is..
20:06 < bkero> Sudo still has a very important purpose
20:06 < ybit> think it's best for a large network with multiple users where a few will occasionally need root privs..
20:06 < bkero> sudo lets you let a user act as any other user, not just root
20:06 < bkero> and it restricts what commands a user can run
20:07 < bkero> also s/user/user and group/
20:07 < ybit> "20:06 < bkero> and it restricts what commands a user can run" yeah.. that's why i was thinking it's for larger networks
20:07 < bkero> I have some users on my systems that are allowed to only use root privs to restart ircd
20:08 < ybit> i personally have no use for it since i only have myself as a user on this comp and i don't have any other services which require a seperate user account
20:09 < bkero> sudo also plays nicer with pipes
20:10 < bkero> I give certain sudo privs to some of my daemons users in case they need to do something outside of their own perms
20:10 < bkero> (IE if the apache user needs to grab some resources belonging to nagios that regular perms won't fix)
20:11 < ybit> never used nagios
20:11 < bkero> Use it all the time at work and at home
20:21 < genehacker> ?+
20:22 < genehacker> fenn how doe that sleep logger thing of yours work?
20:24 < kanzure> "hydraulic fuse"
20:27  * bkero saw one of his favorite people in the world do a talk on sleep labs at DefCon
20:27 < bkero> You guys want the talk?
20:27  * bkero didn't realize you guys were into sleep
20:29 < ybit> bkero: sure, upload please
20:29 < ybit> i bet it's already uploaded somewhere...
20:30 < bkero> Not really, the talks are usually kept offline
20:30 < bkero> I just have the presentations from them
20:30 < bkero> They want to sell them, they'll come online in a few months
20:31 < parolang> bkero: What's the synopsis?
20:31 < parolang>  
20:33 < bkero> parolang: You can build a decent sleep lab at home :)
20:33 < parolang> ah :)
20:33  * parolang reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep
20:34 < ybit> 12:26 < ybit> note to paralong: time firefox  6.05s time uzbl 0.15s
20:35 < bkero> parolang: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/defcon-17-ne0nra1n-hacking_sleep-part1.pdf
20:35 < ybit> ty
20:35 < parolang> ybit: Is that startup time?
20:35 < bkero> She did a talk last year that got me interested in EEGs
20:35 < bkero> (she made her own)
20:37 < parolang> bkero: thanks, checking it out now
20:38 < kanzure> dung borer:
20:38 < kanzure> hollow taper dung borer
20:38 < kanzure> wtf?
20:38 < bkero> parolang: There's also a part 2, modify the url accordingly :)(
20:38 < bkero> :)
20:38 < bkero> and a badass demonstration
20:39 < fenn> bung borer
20:39 < ybit> where's the part on "How to Build Your Very Own Sleep Lab"
20:40  * bkero hasn't read the entire slideshow yet, it was included in the demonstration and overall presentation
20:40 < kanzure> dung borer sounded more manly
20:41 < ybit> parolang: yeah, that's startup
20:41 < ybit> bkero: is this the girl with pink hair and fairy wings?
20:42 < parolang> ybit: Sounds good :)
20:42 < ybit> bkero: ah yes, ne0nrain, yup, that's the girl
20:43 < bkero> ybit: Yes
20:43 < bkero> Have you met her/know of hre?
20:43 < bkero> *her
20:43 < bkero> Canadian who's a bit whimsical in the brain pan.
20:44 < ybit> i've seen 1 or 2 presentation on the interwebs from her
20:44 < bkero> Which ones?
20:44 < bkero> The EEG and another?
20:44 < ybit> eeg and the one before that i believe
20:45 < ybit> well...
20:45 < ybit> -eeg
20:45 < ybit> the one i can remember is the one where they had volunteers come up and they played a game which monitored how anxious or excited they would become
20:46 < ybit> search the logs, i'm sure i linked to it :)
20:46 < bkero> ybit: The building a sleep lab is in part 2
20:48 < ybit> http://defcon17sleeplab.googlepages.com/
20:49 < bkero> awesome
20:50 < ybit> hmm, i've a atmega 328... wonder what the diffs are
20:58 < bkero> Wow, wireless heart rate monitors are < $20?
21:05 < parolang> Wow, I think I definitely need to get a handle on my sleep.  It explains a lot.
21:06 < ybit> http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/ 
21:06 < ybit> i didn't know about http://sleepdex.org
21:07 < parolang> Yeah, I'm reading sleepdex now.
21:07 < ybit> was looking for the previous pdf/poster on rest released from harvard on how to rest.. almost certain i posted a link here
21:11 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_auto_parts
21:12 < ybit> A $672 electric car, built by two DIYers..hmm
21:12 < ybit> http://ecomodder.com/blog/a-672-electric-car/
21:12 < ybit> http://www.forkenswift.com/
21:15  * bkero likes his $250 electric bike
21:15 < ybit> being healthy isn't american, are you a terrorist or something?
21:16  * ybit readies his 10 gauge shotgun
21:16 < fenn> oregonians are all terrists
21:17 < bkero> Haha, they bought and gutted a forklift
21:18 < ybit> anyone have experience with dbpedia? would it be easier to grab lists using dbpedia sparql queries or just downloading a copy of wikipedia to me hdd?..
21:18 < ybit> i'm going to say sparql
21:27 < ybit> http://dbpedia.org/page/Category:Auto_parts
21:27 < ybit> turns out it's easy to manipulate lists with dbpedia
21:53 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r a4b95b0 /doc/technical-devices.yaml: finished typing up book
21:58 < fenn> let's see this book
21:58 < kanzure> it's missing a lot
21:58 < ybit> 3025 lines
21:58 < ybit> 3035*
21:59  * ybit wants pics
21:59 < kanzure> they are in the book
21:59 < ybit> boooh
22:00 < ybit> todo: scrape pictures for technical-devices.yaml
22:00 < genehacker> kanzure in a proprietary viewer no doubt
22:00 < genehacker> going to pester the representative till I get a PDF
22:01 < genehacker> that works on linux
22:03 < genehacker> thanks fenn 
22:03 < genehacker> fenn how does your sleep logger work?
22:04 < fenn> i thought you already asked that
22:04 < genehacker> I'm thinking of doing obsessive life logging and making an uberschedule to cover all tasks
22:04 < fenn> basically it works by obsessive life logging
22:05 < genehacker> I'm stuck in an endless recursion of time at the moment
22:05 < kanzure> todo task management is not the same thing
22:05 < genehacker> how is data entered?
22:05 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/todo.html <-- do not do this
22:05 < fenn> genehacker: i have a file that has a bunch of entries like: 1910 2000 watch naruto, food lentils+rice+tomatoes+sour-cream 3.5c
22:06 < fenn> that wasn't by choice, btw, kanzure forced me to
22:06 < kanzure> hey >:"(
22:06 < ybit> broke out the whip again aye?
22:06 < genehacker> dear god
22:06 < kanzure> (that's a naturo smiley)
22:06 < ybit> :P
22:06 < genehacker> watch naruto
22:06 < ybit> already have, i'm good
22:06  * ybit kept with his caloric intake for, maybe, 3 or so months
22:07 < genehacker> I won't ever let that one past you
22:07 < genehacker> so basically I want to schedule everything
22:07 < kanzure> no you don't
22:07 < ybit> don't do it genehacker 
22:07 < ybit> org-mode will rot your brain
22:07 < kanzure> it crippled me
22:07 < fenn> schedules are stupid
22:07 < kanzure> and it will cripple you too
22:07 < genehacker> is there some reason why it won't work?
22:07 < genehacker> what do you mean crippled?
22:08 < kanzure> you don't want to schedule based off of time, do you?
22:08 < kanzure> what's the point of that
22:08 < kanzure> you should schedule stuff based off of when you will have tools
22:08 < genehacker> I have the tools
22:08 < kanzure> then why isn't it done?
22:08 < genehacker> I'm not talking about hobbies
22:08 < ybit> i have more of a through these days, do this, and if a task isn't completed, it's rolled over to the next 'immediate' todo list created
22:08 < kanzure> neither am I
22:08 < genehacker> I'm talking about school
22:09 < kanzure> yeah me too
22:09 < genehacker> and homework and stuff
22:09 < kanzure> I usually write programs to help me do my homework
22:09 < genehacker> what would said program do?
22:09 < kanzure> anyway, life logging and todo scheduling are two different things
22:09 < ybit> http://dpaste.com/87164/
22:09 < kanzure> well it's usually custom for the task
22:09 < parolang> org-mode++
22:09 < ybit> an overview of my todo
22:10 < genehacker> give a task
22:10 < kanzure> integration
22:10 < kanzure> sympy does this if you know how to use python
22:10 < kanzure> symbolic integration too
22:11 < genehacker> it's rather hard to have a program for everything in engineering classes
22:12 < genehacker> especially thermo
22:12 < kanzure> genehacker: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/technical-devices.yaml
22:12 < kanzure> yeah it wouldn't be one program for everything
22:12 < kanzure> it would be one program for a particular problem type
22:12 < kanzure> or something
22:13 < genehacker> tried to do that at one point
22:13 < genehacker> didn't work out
22:13 < kanzure> try orgs-mode I guess
22:14 < kanzure> I used to use hnb, which is like a pathetic form of org-mode
22:14 < fenn> man i wish i knew about GNU units when i was in school
22:14 < genehacker> some statics problems are mostly just figuring out how to input the data into the equation
22:14 < kanzure> but biologists don't use units, fenn!
22:14 < fenn> or symbolic math programs
22:14 < genehacker> GNU units?
22:14 < kanzure> genehacker: are you on ubuntu at the moment?
22:14 < fenn> it's just called 'units' but that's sorta overloaded
22:14 < genehacker> they have those on TI 89s
22:14 < genehacker> no
22:14 < genehacker> I can read my textbook
22:14 < kanzure> when you're back on ubuntu,
22:14 < kanzure> do: sudo apt-get install units
22:15 < genehacker> TI 89 <3
22:15 < fenn> man i keep hoping genehacker will listen and remember to what i keep saying
22:15 < kanzure> then run: units 5mg kg
22:15 < genehacker> what does units do?
22:15 < kanzure> convert units
22:15 < genehacker> kanzure
22:15 < genehacker> that's awesom
22:15 < fenn> or any expression with units in it
22:15 < genehacker> WHY DIDN'T I KNOW ABOUT THIS BEFORE
22:16 < fenn> BECAUSE I TOLD YOU
22:16 < genehacker> I use google for that
22:16 < fenn> google isnt as good
22:16 < genehacker> can it convert from useless non metric units like slugs?
22:16 < fenn> yeah, the data file is 4700 lines long
22:17 < fenn> it's in /usr/share/misc/units.dat
22:17 < genehacker> sweet
22:18 < genehacker> if units exists is there a steamtables?
22:18 < fenn> no
22:18 < fenn> that's why we're writing skdb
22:18 < genehacker> there is
22:19 < genehacker> to do steamtables?
22:19 < fenn> ... and other stuff, yes
22:19 < genehacker> no there isn't 
22:19 < genehacker> nevermind
22:19 < genehacker> damn
22:19 < genehacker> I hate tables
22:20 < fenn> yeah most tables can and should be done with a formula instead
22:20 < fenn> unfortunately for me all the books ever provide is a table
22:20 < fenn> so i guess i should write something that takes a table and returns a formula
22:20 < genehacker> you can't do that with certain things
22:22 < kanzure> hm maybe sympy has a regression engine?
22:22 < genehacker> like steamtables
22:22 < genehacker> though you might be able to do some program voodoo stuff that I don't know how to do
22:22 < kanzure> genehacker: there's a way to look at data and figure out a symbolic equation that more or less fits the data
22:24 < fenn> what's so special about steam?
22:24 < fenn> it's nonlinear, sfw?
22:24 < genehacker> good point
22:24 < genehacker> yes it is nonlinear
22:25 < genehacker> also learned some fluids stuff can only be experimentally determined
22:25 < fenn> you can still come up with a formula
22:26 < fenn> even a piecewise formula is better than a table
22:26 < fenn> it's not like you're doing a cryptographic hash
22:27 < genehacker> yeah
22:28 < genehacker> heh stallman's future is funny and scary
22:30 < genehacker> the soviet union had copyright laws?
22:32 < fenn> heh, no
22:32 < fenn> it was illegal to own any sort of printing device
22:32 < fenn> or to publish without permission
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22:35 < genehacker> those commie bastards
22:37 < genehacker> Perhaps I should summon stallman
22:40 < genehacker> to fight the evil textbook company in an epic battle
22:44  * ybit doesn't have enough emacs xp for its necromancy mode
22:46 < genehacker> xp?
22:46 < genehacker> necromancy mode?
22:46 < genehacker> BURN THE HEATHEN, BURN HIM NOW!
22:46 < ybit> in my case, it's more like heath'n since my middle name starts with an n
22:47 < ybit> btw, wikipedia is your best friend genehacker 
22:47 < ybit> ya know, aside from man and google
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