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01:44 < katsmeow-afk> cost of electricity to run it 24-7 for a year :  $820 (cheaper residential rates)
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08:07 < kanzure> http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/nanoshite/
08:09 < kanzure> "shaman charlatanic temple-prostitutes"
08:16 < kanzure> "Yes. Hype. I work at a Tier-I research university, and although there are plenty of good things going on here, a significant fraction of the labs prefer to stretch the truth. I've seen NASA do it too. Their product is actually what they can put in Powerpoint, not what is reality. Sad truth is, it works. There are enough people out there to buy it to make it a successful short term strategy. If your reading it in the popular press, I would give it a 50/50 for being worth a damn."
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09:10 < kanzure> can anyone else access this?
09:10 < kanzure> http://128.83.20.60/Wel2224/20090902-110005-Wel2224/pres_vars.js
09:10 < katsmeow-afk> yeas
09:11 < katsmeow-afk> but i didn't dl it
09:11 < kanzure> what?
09:11 < kanzure> okay.
09:11 < katsmeow-afk> huh?
09:12 < katsmeow-afk> woah, http://2-wit.media.mit.edu/?page=2  is a royal mess
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11:20 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r ba078b1 /doc/todo: updated todo
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11:26 < kanzure> hey wonklab
11:27 < wonklab> yo
11:38 < kanzure> a presentation by andrew hessel on "pink army stuff" http://adl.serveftp.org/sweden%20SALSS%20%20august%2021%202009.mov
11:38 < wonklab> Scientists are saying they've identified magnetic monopoles.
11:39 < wonklab> We'll all have to learn different Maxwell's equations.
11:39 < wonklab> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss'_law_for_magnetism#Modification_if_magnetic_monopoles_exist
11:39 < wonklab> del*B = 0 is for old folks.
11:39 < wonklab> People who don't know what's up.
11:55 < kanzure> fenn: 3D exploded view diagram stuff: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Automated%20generation%20of%20interactive%203D%20exploded%20view%20diagrams.pdf
12:00 < kanzure> does anyone know where I can find "Folding a fish, making a mushroom: the role of diagrams in executing assembly procedures." ?
12:02 < wonklab> Publisher: Psychonomic Society, Austin, TX
12:03 < wonklab> I can't seem to get to it online.
12:07 < kanzure> ok got it
12:07 < kanzure> http://www.psychonomic.org/search/view.cgi?id=2865
12:08 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r d174759 /doc/proposals/assemblies.txt: fix outdated info
12:08 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 7e8418e /doc/todo: begin merging
12:08 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r afc8252 /doc/todo: merge old list into working copy, delete obsolete info
12:09 < fenn> kanzure: something screwed up with that last paper
12:11 < fenn> wonklab: "magnetic monopole" stuff is bullshit, sorry
12:11 < fenn> it's like how they went 7 times the speed of light, as long as you consider "group velocity"
12:11 < fenn> it's just semantics
12:11 < fenn> applied to sensationalist journalism
12:21 < wonklab> So you think magnetic monopoles don't emerge in that situation?
12:24 < wonklab> The researchers seem to believe they've split the magnetic dipole.
12:24 < wonklab> And people have been trying to do this for forever.
12:25 < wonklab> The monopole corrections to Maxwell's equations are pretty old, too.
12:31 < fenn> no i think they're just finessing the definition of 'monopole'
12:31 < fenn> there's always pairs of these monopoles in the experiment
12:31 < wonklab> Yeah, they've just been pulled apart.
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12:32 < wonklab> But aparently that's pretty similar to the style of monopole that Dirac proposed back in the day.
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12:36 < wonklab> I guess the question is whether the magnetic monopoles are far enough apart that it looks like you have magnetic flux lines emanating from a point.
12:49 < drazak> blah
12:50 < drazak> the PI is gone and he wanted me to run experiments by him
12:50 < drazak> I think he has radar for leaving at the most annoying times
12:50 < drazak> "hm, I asked someone to ask me about something when they figure it out, I think I'm just gonna leave and then they can fuck it up by the time I get back, yeah!"
13:11 < fenn> email ftw
13:15 < drazak> he doesn't answer his email when he's not here
13:24 < ybit> cell phone ftw, email is so 20th century :)
13:29 < ybit> alright, time to install this 1tb hdd
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14:25 < kanzure> can anyone get "State space representation of manufacturing operation plans in the presence of flexible routing capability" ?
14:46 < kanzure> all these assembly planners suck
14:59 < xp_prg> kanzure that is common place using mrp
15:00 < kanzure> what?
15:00 < kanzure> speak english
15:00 < xp_prg> manufacturing resource planning *sigh*
15:01 < kanzure> sorry the sentence still doesn't make sense
15:01 < xp_prg> www.graysonconsulting.biz
15:01 < xp_prg> listen to my adempiere talks
15:01 < xp_prg> they talk all about it
15:01 < xp_prg> or wikipidea it
15:02 < kanzure> wikipedia the sentence?
15:02 < kanzure> why would I do that
15:02 < xp_prg> so you can know what I am talking about?
15:02 < xp_prg> I specialize in mrp algorithms
15:02 < kanzure> or you can fix your damn fucking sentence
15:03 < xp_prg> you need this algorithms for what your doing or the specification/planning will be too tightly coupled
15:03 < kanzure> you're a moron
15:03 < kanzure> shut the fuck up
15:03 < kanzure> don't talk to me unless you're willing to use english
15:03 < kanzure> "kanzure that is common place using mrp" is not a good sentence at all
15:03 < kanzure> and ignoring my requests for you to fix it isn't a good way to get on my good side
15:04 < xp_prg> in short you need to specify you parts as follows:
15:04 < kanzure> so you're not talking with me are you
15:04 < kanzure> guess it's my fault for assuming 
15:04 < xp_prg> bill of materials
15:04 < xp_prg> sub bill of materials
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15:04 < xp_prg> resources that parts will be made on
15:04 < kanzure> xp_prg: you're a moron
15:05 < kanzure> skdb has a more useful format
15:05 < kanzure> how about you go read it instead of assuming you know it?
15:05 < xp_prg> routes combine the resources and the parts to create the final part
15:05 < kanzure> can you stop talking?
15:06 < xp_prg> there is no better format, that is the standard format for all manufacturing/assembly algoirthms
15:06 < kanzure> not mine :)
15:06 < kanzure> now fuck off
16:01 < ybit> think i f'd the electron gun on the crt monitor -_- the very thing i was after.. maybe not though
17:02 < ybit> this physics guy @ work claims a photolith device can be made for a few hundred, i told him to write down the parts list and get back with me
17:05 < ybit> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5663076/description.html :: US Patent 5663076 - Automating photolithography in the fabrication of integrated circuits
18:18 < kanzure> ybit: yes it doesn't cost a lot. the trick though is figuring out the opitcs, like the condenser lense.
18:26 < kanzure> ew a patent is the first search result (#6700644)
18:39 < kanzure> homogenizer, condenser stop, condenser lens
18:39 < kanzure> sometimes a projection lens
18:49 < kanzure> maybe you can do photolithography with a water drop lens. those usually get 1.5 to 2x projection.
18:54 < kanzure> does anyone know how to build a condenser?
18:58 < kanzure> some really old lanterns: http://www.artgallery.sa.gov.au/noye/Lantern/Lighting.htm
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20:16 < kanzure> maybe a plastic condenser
20:32 < wrldpc2> Bryan: book is in the mail
20:32 < kanzure> I'm looking forward to it
20:32 < wrldpc2> Have you guys seen Inglourious Basterds?
20:33 < kanzure> no
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20:34 < wrldpc2> good film ... nitrocellulose film features prominently
20:35 < wrldpc2> apparently back in the day if you had film canisters of this stuff you couldn't bring them on to public transportation because of their low-grade explosive potential 
20:36 < wrldpc2> not quite explosive i suppose ... just highly flammable
20:38 < wrldpc2> How this relates is the lanterns in that link you posted reminded me of the projectors from the film.
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22:24 < genehacker> kanzure want some football tickets?
22:24 < genehacker> *want a football ticket?
22:25 < genehacker> or what about you fenn?
22:25 < genehacker> it's a very good ticket
22:25 < genehacker> you could give it to someone who wants it if you don't
22:26 < genehacker> I'm not in austin right now so I can't give it away there
22:53 < ybit> http://web.jfet.org/inGrid/ 
22:55 < ybit> http://fffff.at/eyewriter/
22:57 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeY_KkZRlDc homemade delta robot
23:05 < ybit> the first skdb project should be... http://www.flickr.com/photos/brickjournal/sets/72157605651816828/
23:06 < ybit> s/project/package
23:06 < kanzure> what happened to your book scanner you were wanting to do?
23:06 < drazak> kanzure: do you mind if I make /var/www/drazak/?
23:07 < kanzure> you can use http://adl.serveftp.org/~drazak/ by making ~/public_html
23:07 < drazak> kanzure: doesn't work
23:07 < kanzure> wtf?
23:07 < drazak> kanzure: I tried that yesterday
23:07 < ybit> http://www.theworkshop.ca/ruralskills/knife/2/forge.htm diy forge construction
23:07 < ybit> oh i still want to do it
23:08 < kanzure> ybit: for diy forge construction, see backyardmetalcasting forums
23:08 < kanzure> they banned me because they thought I was a spam bot when I tried to register
23:08 < ybit> probably will be a month or two before i get to it, next paycheck is going toward items for my neorunner
23:08 < kanzure> so I haven't bothered
23:08 < drazak> kanzure: try it, http://adl.serveftp.org/~drazak/
23:08 < kanzure> yes I see
23:09 < drazak> kanzure: are you sure UserDirs is on?
23:09 < kanzure> mod_userdir is not installed
23:10 < drazak> ahah
23:15 < kanzure> fenn: okay it should work now
23:15 < kanzure> er
23:15 < kanzure> drazak: it should work now
23:15 < drazak> ty
23:33 < genehacker> you know what the first skdb project should be?
23:34 < genehacker> making a flint knife
23:34 < genehacker> because that's what we started with
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23:35 < ybit> a screw is simple, but not so simple to make
23:35 < ybit> might be able to automate the building of some lego structure with a delta robot?
23:43 < kanzure> have you installed skdb yet?
23:44 < ybit> yeah
23:44 < ybit> think i installed it the day the git repo was available
23:44 < kanzure> have you run it yet?
23:45 < ybit> requires pythoncc iirc
23:45 < kanzure> that might be a first step before suggesting projects
23:45 < kanzure> actually certain parts don't require pythonocc at all
23:45 < kanzure>  maybe making a modification to a current package or something
23:45 < ybit> like yaml and python files
23:45 < ybit> my python isntall if f'd
23:45 < kanzure> well if you don't have pythonocc, it will just yell at you, but it will not crash
23:46 < ybit> have been trying to get around to it asap, installing arch so i don't have to waith on compiling 
23:47 < ybit> it's taken me this entire week just to fix a few broken deps on this system :-\
23:47 < kanzure> why are you using gentoo anyway?
23:47 < fenn> ok stupid python question time
23:47 < kanzure> you don't seem to have the time to hunt down dependencies
23:47 < ybit> i like the idea of USE flags
23:47 < fenn> i have class A: def foo(bar): return bar*123.456
23:48 < ybit> custom compiling eveverything... which you can do in arch if you so choose
23:48 < kanzure> fenn: I think the first parameter is always "self"
23:48 < fenn> class B(A): stuff = foo(789)
23:48 < kanzure> unless you do something like @static ? (don't hold me to this)
23:48 < fenn> it's not a method, just for building class specific data
23:48 < fenn> and i "can't call @staticmethod object"
23:48 < ybit> right, i don't have time for it which is why i'm turning to a binary distro
23:49 < fenn> oh alsoin class A i have stuff = foo(123)
23:49 < kanzure> try foo(self, bar) and see how that goes?
23:49 < fenn> there is no self
23:49 < fenn> i need this data for __init__
23:49 < kanzure> it's a nonstatic class method
23:49 < ybit> supposedly dependency resolution is built into gentoo, but so far the portage and paludis have just gotten in my way
23:49 < kanzure> isn't there a self for all nonstatic class methods?
23:49 < fenn> if it's a class method i can't call it in class A
23:50 < kanzure> hm
23:50 < fenn> i think i should just use a regular function, nevermind
23:50 < fenn> i'm just annoyed
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