--- Day changed Fri Sep 11 2009 00:03 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r d05fcd1 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: still converting graphsynth 00:03 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r c582d1e /packages/threads/generate.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 00:04 < genehacker> interesting 00:04 < genehacker> looks like they might 00:05 < genehacker> where are you ybit2? 00:18 < ybit2> genehacker: papers of itnerest that i will have to grab tomorrow 00:18 < ybit2> 23:47 < ybit2> papers to grab: 00:18 < ybit2> 23:47 < ybit2> Microfluidic systems on a printed wiring board platform 00:18 < ybit2> 23:47 < ybit2> A novel microfluidic integration technology for PCB-based devices: Application to microflow sensing 00:18 < ybit2> 23:47 < ybit2> Design and fabrication of microfluidic devices integrated with an open?ended MEMS probe for single?cell impedance measurement 00:18 < ybit2> 23:48 < ybit2> http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=yG6pAAAAEBAJ&dq=fr4+microfluidics 00:18 < ybit2> 23:48 < ybit2> Microfluidic systems in PCB technology 00:19 < ybit2> 23:49 < ybit2> Integrated microfluidic components on a printed wiring board platform 00:19 < ybit2> 23:49 < ybit2> Low cost piezo printhead based on microfluidics in printed circuit board and screen-printed piezoelectrics <- name of patent linked to 00:19 < ybit2> 23:49 < ybit2> time for bed 00:19 < ybit2> i'm in florence, alabama 00:19 < ybit2> www.api-assembled.com is the company 00:19 < ybit2> don't tell them i said it but one of the owners is an asshole, so don't recommend the business unless it benefits me :P 00:20 < ybit2> in the case of fabricating stuff for diybio, that's fun and it would be during the ~1.5 hours of free time each day i have to mess around 00:22 < ybit2> anyway, i'm not in it for profit atm, so i'll do it for as cheap as possible and probably for no profit 00:23 < ybit2> so if you don't have access to the machines from a uni, i'm probably the cheapest option for the diyers 00:23 < ybit2> "and probably for no profit" -probably 00:24 < ybit2> they freaked out when i asked to make an inventory of the place for skdb 00:24 < ybit2> not the good kind of freaking out, and they == the one asshole 00:25 < ybit2> my def of an asshole, someone who should portrays immaturity on a continual basis 00:25 < ybit2> -should 00:27 < ybit2> s/someone/an adult 00:28 < ybit2> hmm.. bad def. but i'm too tired to care. gn, talk to you all on the weekend (later today) 00:51 < kanzure> you shouldn't have said skdb, you should tell them the truth: it's a list of hardware that we'll probably never use, but they might find more useful for their day-to-day operations 00:54 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 2c49b5a /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: added a grammar rule apply method 00:55 < genehacker> generally people don't like to give out inventories of everything they have 00:57 < ybit2> i just said that it was for a project which potentially could give them more business, but i have found out that you don't do anything that will make this guy uncomfortable, otherwise he makes an ass of himself 00:58 < ybit2> i tried to explain the concept of what skdb was but was interrupted because frankly he doesn't give a damn 00:59 < ybit2> i would publish only what they wanted me to, but whatever, i'm going to learn what i need to and say to hell with this company sometime this winter 01:00 < ybit2> ..or whenever i can do what i'm doing there at my place 01:00 < ybit2> off to bed. 01:05 < ybit2> well fuck, i'll say it anyway and then go to bed. the reason this guy (not the other) is an asshole: he wants it done his way no matter if it's wrong or the long way around.. i was told to help fetch patents and i had all 5 of mine printed by the time they were able to print off 2. turns out they were going to uspto.gov and not google.com/patents.. i asked if they had heard of it and told them it's very quick and simple... i was told "listen as 01:06 < ybit2> thus the reason for me looking into working for myself yesterday 01:06 < ybit2> and the main reason they can't keep employees or grow, because one guy is strange 01:07 < ybit2> and he happens to head up the business aspect of things 01:07 < ybit2> alright, now it's time for bed and no more complaining 02:36 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:52 < fenn> "Materials & Assembly Requirements of a General Fabrication Robot: The most expensive thing are the sensors? The rest is in AI development; so it would not hurt for programmers to take a philosophy course or two" 04:52 * fenn cries 04:57 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:55 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:12 < kanzure> oh fuck that was nathan? 06:12 < kanzure> argh 06:13 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit ["The action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt structural changes in the lipid bilayer of neurons."] 06:16 < fenn> these guys are totally kicking our collective ass http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=284 06:18 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:21 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]"] 06:38 < bkero> fenn: damn 06:40 < fenn> this was the first post i read from bunnie about shenzhen: http://www.bunniestudios.com/wordpress/?p=147 06:41 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:43 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:45 < Utopiah> http://www.shanzai.com/ has twitter and even a youtube channel 06:50 < bkero> Heh bandit gadgets 07:13 < kanzure> fenn: campbell would like some yaml folding please 07:13 < kanzure> does kate do it? 07:22 < fenn> yes 07:22 < fenn> um 07:22 < fenn> i had to modify the syntax file :\ 07:24 < fenn> in .kde/share/apps/katepart/yaml.xml after add 07:24 < fenn> i dunno what editor campbell likes 07:26 < kanzure> microsoft buttrape 2011 07:26 < kanzure> well he has a shell login, he can deal I guess 07:27 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:28 < fenn> does vim do yaml folding? i can never remember how to do code folding in vim 07:52 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:30 -!- superkuh_ [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:30 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:35 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:57 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@wsip-70-184-88-89.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:20 -!- flamoot [n=root@bas1-barrie18-1242381478.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:27 -!- superkuh_ is now known as superkuh 09:54 -!- any54444979 is now known as katsmeow-afk 10:23 -!- wonklab [n=jeargle@angara.scs.uiuc.edu] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 10:39 < kanzure> transform description language: http://ivan.tubert.org/caos/doc/tdl.html 10:40 -!- flamoot [n=root@74.13.34.250] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:40 < kanzure> http://ivan.tubert.org/caos/moldb.zip 10:50 < fenn> there's that damn verb-is-a-noun thing again 10:51 < katsmeow-afk> i have a hard time convincing people that (outside main clauses), "the" and "a" are prepositions 10:51 < fenn> i went to "the" store 10:51 < katsmeow-afk> but that's a main clause 10:52 < fenn> ok please provide a correct example 10:52 < katsmeow-afk> i just woke up, get back tome later :-) 10:52 < fenn> for some unknown reason i'm feeling awesome today 10:52 < Utopiah> out of curiosity, any already batch-uploaded 1Gb of research papers at http://www.scribd.com/ to manage (and link for internal reference) and read all online? 10:52 < Utopiah> (no idea if they have API, if it's legal, etc...) 10:53 < fenn> scribd is awful, why would anyone use it? 10:53 < Utopiah> suggestion? 10:53 < fenn> what's the intended purpose? 10:54 < Utopiah> avoiding that a friend upload her entire collection in my wiki but still be able to use refs without being limited by paywalls where she legally got the papers 10:55 < fenn> scribd doesn't make copyright infringement any more legal 10:55 < Utopiah> well, point isn't to share with the entire world 10:55 < fenn> then just copy the relevant papers? 10:56 < fenn> buy a 4GB flash card for $5, mail to your friend, have her mail it back 10:57 < Utopiah> IMHO having online links to official journals and offline pdfs is better but maybe she has other ideas in mind, I know that you can link directly to certain page in pdfs and admit that would be nice, but won't go well with paywalls 10:57 < kanzure> oh man fenn's on fire today. 10:57 * fenn procrastinates furiously 10:58 * katsmeow-afk puts off procrastinating 10:58 < fenn> too late 10:59 < fenn> your deadline has passed 10:59 * kanzure puts off putting off procrastinating 10:59 < katsmeow-afk> 10:59 < kanzure> recursion depth exceeded 10:59 < kanzure> er, stack overflow 10:59 < fenn> your stack only has two levels? 10:59 < kanzure> :( 10:59 < kanzure> don't laugh 11:00 < katsmeow-afk> it's a 6502, whadya expect? 11:02 < kanzure> my procrastination module seems to be an alternating series, so if you take the limit of it you'll find that it diverges to infinity instead of converging to "no work" or "work" (which unfortunately are only symbolic bounds and not anything actually useful) 11:04 * katsmeow-afk looks for that sadistic Schrodinger 11:08 < kanzure> more xml crud .. http://www.chemaxon.com/jchem/doc/user/config_downloadables/chemaxon_reaction_library_demo.zip 11:08 < kanzure> (tarbomb) 11:13 < fenn> why do they call it a tarbomb when it's always a zip file? 11:15 < katsmeow-afk> praps because in the olden days, win95 could not open .t* ? 11:16 < fenn> a tarbomb is when you extract an archive and it dumps files all over the current directory 11:18 < katsmeow-afk> and dos32 fs had limits 11:18 < katsmeow-afk> fat32 11:18 < katsmeow-afk> and win95a had fat16 11:22 < fenn> hah "this week on campus: Objectivism Society hosts video on abolishing publicly funded schools" 11:22 < fenn> in other news, worcestershire sauce is nothing like A1 steak sauce 11:26 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:32 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:39 < kanzure> cracking zip files is slow 11:39 < kanzure> http://www.chemaxon.com/jchem/doc/user/config_downloadables/chemaxon_reaction_library.zip 11:39 < kanzure> can anyone crack that? I've been using fcrackzip but, again, it's slow 11:39 < kanzure> maybe there are some analysis tools that can figure out the password length, etc.? instead of my random guesses on length bounds 11:42 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:44 < kanzure> http://blueobelisk.sourceforge.net/wiki/Blue_Obelisk_Blogs 11:56 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:03 < kanzure> just called orr ravitz over the phone 12:04 < kanzure> he sent me this long, verbose email about how I am a "competitive threat" to http://symbiosys.ca/ 12:05 < fenn> competetive threat to .. salmon fishing? 12:06 < kanzure> well, orr and his team made "route designer", the retrosynthesis engine thingy 12:06 < fenn> well, too fucking bad 12:06 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Route%20designer%20-%20a%20retrosynthetic%20analysis%20tool%20utilizing%20automated%20retrosynthetic%20rule%20generation.pdf 12:06 < kanzure> well I made this "negative comment" in an email about Route Designer 12:06 < kanzure> saying it was a black hole 12:06 < kanzure> and he said "it is very much alive and hope you will publish a public retraction" 12:06 * kanzure giggles 12:07 < fenn> maybe he should publish a comment saying they're still alive 12:07 < fenn> wouldn't that be the appropriate thing to do? 12:07 < fenn> "news just in: sumerian is actually not a dead language, you'll have to take my word for it" 12:09 < kanzure> he also said that I was making the problem too easy 12:09 < kanzure> that it is "much, much harder than that" 12:09 < kanzure> "getting the data is half the battle" 12:09 < kanzure> and he kind of laughed 12:10 < kanzure> but honestly graph grammars seem to be the way to do it 12:10 < kanzure> get the data, implement as a graph grammar, start from there 12:10 < kanzure> "maybe if you guys are having so much trouble, you would be interested in hiring me" 12:10 < kanzure> but the conversation was cut short :/ 12:15 < fenn> getting the data is half the battle? wtf 12:15 < fenn> just type in your favorite reaction mechanisms 12:15 < fenn> it doesn't need to be 100% complete (whatever that means anyway) 12:16 < kanzure> no I said getting the data is half the battle. 12:16 < fenn> well, whoever said it needs to take a chill pill 12:16 < kanzure> yes you can type them in but getting that into a usable format is going to take a long time 12:16 < kanzure> that is a "battle" 12:16 < fenn> nonsense 12:16 < kanzure> you want to sit there typing in a few hundred reactions all day? 12:16 < fenn> if you really sit down to do it, this sort of drudgery goes faster than you think 12:16 < kanzure> ETA? 12:17 < fenn> find a reaction mechanism, type it up in yaml, multiply by 0.7 times how long it took you to enter it 12:17 < fenn> times number of mechanisms 12:19 -!- |kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE2D06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:19 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["leaving"] 12:20 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE7683.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:21 < fenn> http://miningdrugs.blogspot.com/2007/04/publishing-chemical-picture-means-not.html 12:21 < fenn> halfway the right idea 12:22 < kanzure> haha 12:22 < kanzure> OCR for chem. sigh. 12:23 < kanzure> code committed two hours ago. huh. 12:29 < fenn> what code? 12:29 < fenn> route designer? 12:30 < kanzure> no for the ocr chem thing you just linked to 12:30 < kanzure> the one on sf.net 12:30 < fenn> i linked to something? 12:30 < fenn> i thought it was just a rant about people not publishing data 12:30 < kanzure> miningdrugs? 12:30 < kanzure> "Two new computer vision algorithms trying to create knowledge from 'stupid' pictures are" 12:30 < kanzure> so let me get this straight 12:31 < kanzure> I don't read anything 12:31 < kanzure> you read everything thoroughly 12:31 < kanzure> and somehow I was the one who picked up on this? 12:31 < fenn> well i don't really care about chemistry for some reason so i sort of skim it 12:32 < kanzure> this is about the only thing worthwhile with chemistry as far as I can tell 12:32 < fenn> but i thought the magritte pipe picture was a useful communication tool 12:32 < kanzure> that and figuring out what hardware and glassware to set up in what configuration for what synthesis 12:32 < fenn> what about predicting chemical/material properties? 12:32 < kanzure> yeah 12:32 < kanzure> what about it? 12:32 < fenn> isn't that useful? 12:32 < kanzure> I don't know any algorithms that do that 12:32 < fenn> really? that's terrible 12:33 < kanzure> guess you could search for "ab initio material" on google scholar if you wanted to see if there was anything for that 12:33 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:33 < fenn> it doesn't even need to be ab initio, just general trends so that you can extrapolate from known data points 12:33 < fenn> i.e. i know the viscosity of PEG-40 so what's the viscosity of PEG-200? 12:34 < kanzure> what *is* the viscosity of PEG-40 for that matter? 12:35 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:36 < fenn> you and your hard questions 12:38 < fenn> hey is there a vectorization algorithm that gives you back stroked lines? (not their borders) 12:38 < fenn> like if i vectorize a minus sign i should get back one line, not a rectangle 12:47 < kanzure> nice system: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~alan/worknote.htm 12:54 -!- bdale [n=bdale@winfree.gag.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- bdale [n=bdale@winfree.gag.com] has left #hplusroadmap ["Client exiting"] 12:55 < bkero> kanzure: We can do all that now on top of Linux 12:55 < kanzure> working notes? 12:56 < bkero> A lot of that effort was being done around the same time(maybe a bit later) at MIT. 12:56 < kanzure> working notes can be saved to a file, yes 12:56 < bkero> Processes and end goals that the working notes describe 12:56 < bkero> Such as detachment 12:56 * fenn mumbles something about Wave 12:57 < bkero> Is it open to the public yet? 12:58 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 4b2d6b8 /packages/threads/generate.py: ooify Helix, draw corners of valley and crest 12:58 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r cae5be1 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 12:58 < fenn> i doubt it 12:59 < kanzure> did you edit graphsynth.py? 12:59 < fenn> no i just didnt know i should have pulled until it was too late 12:59 < fenn> i have trouble going from 'ok i should commit my changes' to a fully formed commit message 12:59 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:59 < fenn> often it takes looking at various files multiple times to figure out what i just did 13:00 < fenn> expecting me to remember to pull before doing anything is too much 13:33 < fenn> i don't get it.. BRep_Tool segfaults whenever i try to do anything with my helix 13:33 < fenn> i just want the damn end points 13:41 < fenn> well this is probably a clue, the endpoints have the same address: [ >, >] 13:57 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:07 < fenn> welp i got the endpoints.. why didn't that work before? 14:09 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/scrapers/methods-in-organic-chem/ 14:15 < kanzure> the timestamps are interesting 14:21 < kanzure> the beilstein database uses a nice yaml-like format 14:21 < kanzure> http://library.dialog.com/bluesheets/html/bl0391.html 14:21 < kanzure> scroll down to: Reaction Id: 9178597 14:22 < fenn>
FTL 14:23 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 86df554 /packages/threads/generate.py: some progress on finding endpoints; still confused why the for loop doesn't work but endpoints() does 14:23 < fenn> i shouldn't have to be worrying about memory addresses 14:23 < kanzure> oh that's just the dialgor site's thingy 14:25 < fenn> so now that i have all the edges, i should just be able to make a helical face right? (crosses fingers) 14:50 < kanzure> http://directory.adeptscience.com/productid/CS-CS-STUD/4/1161/CS-CS-STUD.html hm.. 14:51 < kanzure> chemsynth one year personal internet subscription: $599 14:51 < kanzure> hahah 14:51 < kanzure> http://scistore.cambridgesoft.com/ScistoreProductPage.aspx?ItemID=5221 14:52 < kanzure> wow $4k for a CD? 15:04 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 00ba356 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: finished graphsynth grammar rule features, moving on to rule sets 15:22 < fenn> as far as java graph visualization goes this is not bad: http://goosebumps4all.net/34all/gallery.html 15:27 < fenn> i guess most of the magic comes from http://prefuse.org/ 15:28 < fenn> oh.. bah. 34all is not free software.. how did they manage that? 15:33 < bkero> You should give up this java habit of yours. It's not healthy. 15:36 < fenn> recommendations for interactive graph visualization? 15:45 < fenn> i guess that's a no then, bkero 15:45 < fenn> prefuse is BSD fwiw 15:49 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r f510125 /packages/threads/generate.py: try to make a helical face; fails with StdFail_NotDone 15:49 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 1142b10 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 15:49 < fenn> kanzure: graphsynth.py is 1400 lines, don't you think that's a little silly? 15:53 < genehacker> kanzure what are you doing with chemistry? 15:54 < kanzure> fenn: what? 15:54 < kanzure> genehacker: retrosynthetic analysis 15:55 < genehacker> with graphsynth? 15:55 < genehacker> ok 15:55 < kanzure> um no 15:55 < fenn> close but no cigar 15:55 < bkero> fenn: I was AFK 15:55 < kanzure> right now I'm just looking for some files of at least 100+ reaction mechanisms in some computational format 15:55 < genehacker> organic chemistry .org 15:55 < genehacker> not in a good format though 15:56 < kanzure> it's a squatter 15:56 < genehacker> ok once you get it working figure out how to synthesize diisopropylamine 15:56 < genehacker> and Diethyl sulfate 15:58 < genehacker> they're part of the dependency tree to make a protecting group for making photolabile phosphoramidites 15:58 < bkero> For interactive graph visualiation there's Graph Gear, matplotlib, OpenLazlo, graphviz, and a few others 15:59 < kanzure> graphviz is not interactive 15:59 < kanzure> fail 15:59 < fenn> graphviz is so not interactive 15:59 < bkero> Graphviz is made interactive through the python bindings/agraph library 15:59 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:59 < kanzure> bkero: were the layout algorithms rewritten? 16:00 < fenn> by "interactive" i mean you can move nodes around and stuff 16:00 < fenn> or at very least click on them and get a callback 16:00 < bkero> Something wrong with Graph Gear? 16:00 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:00 < fenn> never heard of it.. looking 16:02 < genehacker> though might only work with the pyrimidines 16:02 < genehacker> if I understand what the paper said correctly 16:02 < fenn> bkero: graph gear is javascript, so uh, how is it better than prefuse? 16:03 < fenn> eh, well i gotta go sit on a bus for an hour.. ttyl 16:06 < bkero> It's slightly more compatible, you don't have to write crap in java, it's got a nicer toolkit than prefuse, and it's clusterable. 16:06 < bkero> http://flowingdata.com/2008/09/08/interactive-graph-visualization-system-skyrails/ 16:09 < bkero> Oh yea, and it's more stable than prefuse. :P And has a release newer than a beta back from 2007. 16:09 < genehacker> whoa 16:09 < genehacker> that's something else 16:09 < genehacker> if you had some stereo goggles 16:09 < bkero> I like skyrails :) 16:09 < genehacker> is it free? 16:10 < genehacker> and is it compatible with what we're doing? 16:11 < Utopiah> bkero: it has TV-show-quality 16:11 < genehacker> heh 16:11 < genehacker> looks like something from ghost in the shell 16:11 < bkero> Or Cowboy Bebop or Lain 16:11 < bkero> :) 16:11 < Utopiah> I wish :/ 16:12 < Utopiah> in the end, sticking with the CLI anyway 16:12 < genehacker> what 3d drivers does it use? 16:12 < bkero> sdl 16:12 < genehacker> blast 16:12 < bkero> and GL 16:12 < bkero> glut32 and sdl_image 16:12 < genehacker> don't think my Nvidia card can render stereo for that 16:13 < genehacker> I need to learn to program better 16:13 < bkero> Not liking wine 16:13 < bkero> There's a linux library in here, why is there no ELF executable? :/ 16:29 < bkero> Seems like this guy would open it if he knew anything about open source 16:30 < kanzure> "A list of indexed journals is available from Beilstein. Beilstein's literature coverage before 1980 was much more extensive, with over 2,000 journals plus patents being examined. In 1980 Beilstein stopped patent coverage and dropped its journal coverage to only 80 titles, a number that increased gradually thereafter. " 16:39 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:52 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:16 < katsmeow-afk> what's wrong with this statement: Scientists say the Greenland ice sheet, which is up to 2 miles (3 kilometers) thick and covers an area almost the size of Mexico, is losing about 7 billion cubic feet 17:17 < katsmeow-afk> answer: it's insignificant, it's 1/3 mile cubed 17:17 < kanzure> fenn: didn't you look up the depth of polar ice caps today? and it was something like 20m? 17:17 < bkero> That's at the pole, not Greenland though. 17:18 < katsmeow-afk> well, that was Greenland, and there is no north polar ice cap 17:18 < bkero> Even a constant 1/3 mi^3 per year is pretty significant 17:19 < katsmeow-afk> from all of Greenland?? 17:20 < bkero> Hard to say what 'losing' is. Is that aggregate loss over the course of a years thawing and refreezing? 17:20 < katsmeow-afk> didn't say 17:20 < bkero> I'd say that's pretty damn important 17:20 < katsmeow-afk> prolly has no clue 17:22 < katsmeow-afk> "How you engineer for a sea level rise of 30 centimeters is quite different as to how you would ... deal with a sea level rise of 1 meter." 17:22 < katsmeow-afk> a silly foot is "quite different" ?? 17:22 < genehacker> pah global warming is the least of our worries 17:22 < bkero> Erm, that's 2 feet of difference 17:22 < bkero> 30cm = 0.98 feet, 1 meter = 3.3 feet 17:22 < katsmeow-afk> looking at the rule in my hand, 12 inches = 30cm 17:23 < katsmeow-afk> 30.5 17:23 < genehacker> ocean acidification might be worse 17:24 < katsmeow-afk> usnavy report says per cu ft, there's 200x more co2 in ocean water than in the atmosphere 17:25 < katsmeow-afk> i don't see how 17:26 < katsmeow-afk> i gotta go, bbl 17:27 < bkero> Even with high co2 absorption, you still have problems calcifying things 17:29 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:29 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:33 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/scrapers/mocdb.zip (75MB) 17:34 < genehacker> molecule database? 17:34 < bkero> Mustang Owners Club of Great Britain? 17:34 < kanzure> about 20,000 reaction mechanisms 17:34 < kanzure> in png format :( 17:34 < genehacker> from where? 17:34 < kanzure> methods in organic chemistry (MOC) 17:35 < genehacker> have you tried organicchemistry.org? 17:35 < kanzure> it's squatted 17:36 < genehacker> http://www.organic-chemistry.org/synthesis/ 17:36 < genehacker> this 17:36 < genehacker> had name wrong 17:36 < genehacker> http://www.organic-chemistry.org/protectivegroups/ 17:36 < genehacker> argh 17:37 < genehacker> they don't have information on the t-Butyldiphenylsilyl ether (TBDPS-OR) 17:37 < genehacker> protecting group 17:37 < genehacker> which we need to know about to make photolabile phosphoramidites 17:37 < kanzure> so it looks like the idea is to pop and pick anything not in a ring off of a molecule via single bond reactions either addition or removal 17:38 < genehacker> well what do you want to synthesize? 17:38 < kanzure> if that's true then you don't need big-fancy reaction mechansims 17:38 < kanzure> *mechanisms 17:38 < kanzure> and only the small ones which could be combined to make larger rules if necessary 17:39 < genehacker> well from my chem teacher organic chemistry is weird because we don't know why somethings happen 17:43 < genehacker> so you're trying to do retrosynthetic analysis so we can make different chemicals we might need from scratch 17:44 < kanzure> yes 18:10 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:19 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 18:21 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["leaving"] 19:57 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@70.184.88.89] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:26 -!- ybit [n=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["leaving"] 20:26 -!- ybit2 [i=ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 20:40 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:43 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]"] 21:04 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:14 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:21 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statistically_superlative_countries 21:25 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@70.184.88.89] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:57 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:58 < ybit> Earlier Berkeley studies estimated that by the end of 1999, the sum of human-produced information (including all audio, video recordings and text/books) was about 12 exabytes of data.[18] 21:59 < ybit> http://www.cio.com/article/29802/Juan_Enriquez_on_Patient_Health_Information 21:59 < ybit> The 2003 Berkeley report stated that in 2002 alone, "telephone calls worldwide on both landlines and mobile phones contained 17.3 exabytes of new information if stored in digital form" and that "it would take 9.25 exabytes of storage to hold all U.S. [telephone] calls each year."[13] International Data Corporation estimates that approximately 160 exabytes of digital information were created, captured, and replicated worldwide in 2006.[19] 22:01 < katsmeow-afk> and replicated? 22:02 < ybit> kind of like what i just did 22:03 < ybit> and google's cache probably helps these figures 22:03 < katsmeow-afk> ah 22:14 < ybit> o.O $2k for http://tools.tycoelectronics.com/ammoktema.html 22:19 < ybit> http://www.google.com/products?q=automatic crimpers $600 is the lowest 22:20 < katsmeow-afk> to crimp what? 22:23 < ybit> anything that's crimpable 22:24 < ybit> i want one, i've used a few at work, and it saves time 22:27 < ybit> http://www.newark.com/ 22:27 < katsmeow-afk> oh 22:28 < katsmeow-afk> i think i paid $20 for my ethernet crimper 22:37 < ybit> http://www.emlinq.com/equipment.htm 22:38 < ybit> a company which freely shares what equipment they have, imagine that 22:44 < ybit> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/obscuretools 22:46 < katsmeow-afk> i useto have a Resistor lead forming tool. 22:47 < katsmeow-afk> bent a lot of pins with a manual chip inserter, then tossed it 22:47 < katsmeow-afk> You slide the chip into the end of the tool, put it where it goes, and press the button to push it into the baord. lol 22:47 < ybit> http://www.dansdata.com/tools.htm 22:47 < katsmeow-afk> the tool works just as well, lol 22:47 < ybit> i've got an ic popper, never knew what the heck it was until just now 22:48 < ybit> wasn't mentioned in the soldering system's manual 22:50 < ybit> 22:47 < katsmeow-afk> the tool works just as well, lol, lead forming tool or manual chip inserter? 22:51 < katsmeow-afk> chip inserter 22:52 < katsmeow-afk> his description, "baord", the inserter works as well as that 22:53 < katsmeow-afk> the resistor former wasn't worth the trouble either, actually, unless you reeally have 1000's of resistors to do, and theya re wearing the skin off your fingers 22:53 < katsmeow-afk> it won't do 1/4 watts well 22:54 < katsmeow-afk> heck of a selection of roach clips : http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/CTGY/hemostat-forcep-serrated 22:55 < katsmeow-afk> i mean transistor lead heatsinks 22:59 < ybit> PLCC chip puller, that would have saved me from burning my hands in a soldering pot several times :P 23:00 < katsmeow-afk> use a bent screwdriver or dental gouge 23:01 < katsmeow-afk> the gouge is prolly a lot cheaper than bending jewlers screwdrivers tho 23:01 < ybit> i use bent tweezers atm 23:02 < ybit> much like these http://www.abeadstore.com/s.nl/it.A/id.312/.f 23:04 * katsmeow-afk waits for the puter to cool off before going there 23:05 < ybit> this i did not know about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_for_Two 23:06 < ybit> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/tennis 23:09 < kanzure> wasn't there a crimper from the oomlout folks? 23:09 < kanzure> oh it was just a wire stripper