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00:00 < genehacker2> that diybio post of yours was confusing
00:18 < kanzure> python wrappers to openmodelica would be nice
00:20 < kanzure> redoing pydaylight would also be neat
01:11 < kanzure> does anyone want anything from this list?
01:11 < kanzure> http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7388/referencefolder.png
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01:16 < genehacker2> yeah sure
01:17 < genehacker2> why?
01:17 < genehacker2> foundations or neural
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06:23 < drazak>  /n
07:29 < kanzure> hm apparently the IUPAC alphabets have nothing to do with IUPAC :(
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07:32 < kanzure> the scilab module in enthought supports units, but i can't find any examples
07:37 < kanzure> the brick interface here seems stupid: http://mientki.ruhosting.nl/data_www/pylab_works/pw_bricks.html
07:38 < kanzure> just strings instead of pointers to the actual objects themselves?
07:40 < kanzure> showcase: http://mientki.ruhosting.nl/data_www/pylab_works/pw_animations_screenshots.html
07:40 < kanzure> yes those are legos behind the python.. sort of.
07:41 < kanzure> pym and libermate apparently convert from matlab to python.
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09:41 < kanzure> huh, jmodelica doesn't have anything to do with java?
09:46 < kanzure> yummy: https://svn.jmodelica.org/trunk/Python/src/jmodelica/examples/pendulum.py
09:46 < kanzure> ew inline compiling
09:55 < kanzure> fenn: ever consider wrapping GNU units with python ctypes?
09:59 < kanzure> is my understanding correct? with jmodelica's python module, what they are doing is compiling modelica models into a shared library, then importing that into python via ctypes?
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10:53 < kanzure> fenn: http://twobits.net/pub/Kelty-TwoBits.pdf
10:59 < kanzure> http://jpype.sourceforge.net/ "JPype is an effort to allow python programs full access to java class libraries. This is achieved not through re-implementing Python, as Jython/JPython has done, but rather through interfacing at the native level in both Virtual Machines."
10:59 < kanzure> if only we had that for .NET :(
11:16 < kanzure> fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb/wishlist
11:16 < kanzure> there you go i guess?
11:16 < fenn> fab-at-home? wtf
11:17 < fenn> no, that's not really what i meant, but thanks anyway
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13:14 < fenn> well i finally figured out what interesting event was happening today in the ECJ building, and it wasn't in the building at all - on the plaza outside instead
13:14 < fenn> ieee 125th birthday party with cancer-inducing blue frosted birthday cake
13:14 < kanzure> isn't it pizza day?
13:15  * fenn goes to get some water and try to dilute the toxins
13:19 < genehacker> Yes
13:19 < genehacker> where's the cake?
13:20 < fenn> on the plaza
13:20 < fenn> next to the bridge
13:20 < fenn> how come they never have "yummy vegan food for engineers who dont know better day"
13:21 < genehacker> usually they have vegan options
13:21 < fenn> yeah, i guess that cake was technically vegan
13:21 < genehacker> you just have to adjust the settings
13:21 < fenn> if you consider petroleum vegan
13:21 < fenn> it's made from dinosaurs..
13:21 < fenn> but there was no opression involved so i guess it's ok
13:22 < genehacker> ???
13:25 < kanzure> what am i doing here again? didn't i do this two years ago? http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/2007-11-02.html
13:26 < kanzure> fuck same pages out of the book
13:27 < fenn> i just had an awesome idea!!111
13:27 < kanzure> ?
13:27 < fenn> ok you use a blu-ray disk as a spin coater, and spread photo protected nucleotides evenly over the cd
13:27 < fenn> then use the blu-ray diode to activate selected areas
13:27 < kanzure> um
13:27 < kanzure> is that the right wavelength for the photo labile protecting groups?
13:28 < fenn> 405nm, i have no idea
13:28 < kanzure> depends on the chemistry in use
13:28 < kanzure> there's a variety of different photolabile groups apparently
13:28 < kanzure> though i don't have a list or relative comparison paper
13:28 < kanzure> npocc would be the effective search term here
13:29 < fenn> The use of the protecting group or the nucleoside derivative according to the invention advantageously permits the use of particularly long-waved light in the light-controlled synthesis of oligonucleotides or nucleic acid chips. In thisconnection, wavelengths above 380 nm, preferably above 390 nm and more preferably above 400 nm are preferred.
13:29 < kanzure> you're reading a patent?
13:29 < kanzure> wtf has happened to you?
13:30 < fenn> well anyway, it's possible
13:30 < fenn> MeNPOC (α-methyl nitropiperonyloxycarbonyl) protecting group
13:31 < fenn> how is there a patent on this in 2008?
13:31 < genehacker> it's 405 nm
13:32 < genehacker> it's not the photolabile groups you have problems with
13:32 < fenn> what is "it" that is 405nm?
13:33 < genehacker> it's the protecting groups needed protect certain parts of the nucleoside so you can put the photolabile group on
13:33 < genehacker> bluray uses a 405 nm laser
13:33 < fenn> so you're saying the synthesis is difficult
13:34 < fenn> (which i sort of expected)
13:34 < genehacker> getting the protecting groups is
13:34 < fenn> what do you mean 'getting' them?
13:34 < genehacker> but the protecting groups might be recyclable
13:34 < genehacker> making/buying
13:34 < fenn> obtaining the chemicals?
13:34 < genehacker> though I've only figured out the pyrimidines
13:35 < genehacker> not the purines
13:35 < genehacker> but I don't know
13:35 < genehacker> just the C-T part
13:36 < genehacker> which is described in notes.txt
13:36 < genehacker> I don't know about difficult
13:37 < genehacker> I'll have to write down all the reaction pathways
13:37 < genehacker> for the ones I've figured out so far
13:40 < genehacker> so find out how to do the purines
13:48 < genehacker> http://opus.ub.uni-bayreuth.de/volltexte/2008/461/
13:48 < genehacker> helpful paper here
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15:49 < drazak> kanzure: man do people not know how to read?
15:49 < drazak> kanzure: one person got what I was saying
15:50 < drazak> which was: instead of making a vacuum mold, just make tupperwear do what you need
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17:26 < kanzure> any ideas as to what the environment variable RMLHOME is? or what "rmlc" is?
17:29 < kanzure> yummy: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/mouse_electroporation_piezoelectric_gas_igniter.pdf
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17:31 < kanzure> ah mmc is found here: https://openmodelica.ida.liu.se/svn/MetaModelica/trunk
17:52 < kanzure> hm wonder where antlr.Tool is found
17:52 < kanzure> apparently it wasn't in the 'antlr' or 'libantlr-dev' package
17:52 < kanzure> and my /usr/share/java/antlr.jar exists
17:56 < kanzure> for whatever it's worth here's my partial install notes on openmodelica. i can't get past that antlr.Tool error. http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-openmodelica
17:58 < kanzure> ttp://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jcline/laboratory
17:58 < kanzure> -robots-tecan/Robotics-0.22beta/lib/Robotics/Tecan/Genesis.pm?revision=70&view=
17:58 < kanzure> markup
17:59 < kanzure> er
17:59 < kanzure> http://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jcline/laboratory-robots-tecan/Robotics-0.22beta/lib/Robotics/Tecan/Genesis.pm?revision=70&view=markup
18:01 < kanzure> heh i like the current picture on utexas.edu
18:01 < kanzure> http://www.utexas.edu/
18:02 < kanzure> wonder if they were already wearing orange robes?
18:10 < kanzure> svn co https://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/jcline jcline
18:10 < kanzure> he has some web scrapers in there too, although they look rather simple
18:10 < kanzure> looks like he has a shell script for each major journal hoster and just wants to fetch pdfs from their individual pages
18:10 < kanzure> instead of massive kill-them-all-with-fire scrapes
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18:22  * bkero scrape scrape
18:37 < wrldpc2> kanzure the book came back return to sender
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18:40 < kanzure> wrldpc2: uhhh
18:41 < any28502122> weather
18:41 < kanzure> let me double check on the address
18:41 < drazak> what book?
18:41 < kanzure> pretty sure i got it right
18:41 < kanzure> i know my mom's address :)
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18:53 < wrldpc2> well i think she may have sent it back because I used an anagram of your name for the Send To:  LOL!!!
18:53 < wrldpc2> "Rabbi Syphon"
18:53 < wrldpc2> She was probably like "who the fuck ... ?" and sent it back RTS
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19:46 < ybit> http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7388/referencefolder.png looks like a typical grouping of books from some torrent
19:48 < ybit> interesting.. "PyDaylight is an object-oriented wrapper for Python to the Daylight toolkit. PyDaylight adds classes, exceptions, and iterators to simplify the rapid development of new chemical analysis programs. "
19:50 < ybit> ty kanzure for mentiong open-modelica as well
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21:05 < ybit> hey you other people.. eugen:"What's the wget incantation?"
21:05 < ybit> what's he talking about?
21:06 < ybit> i was thinking rsync [options] blah
21:06 < drazak> wget
21:06 < ybit> i know what it is silly
21:06 < drazak> well what I mean is
21:06 < drazak> wtf does it mean
21:06 < ybit> :P
21:06 < drazak> kardan: what's the link to your mailing lists again?
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21:06 < ybit> drazak: windows or linux?
21:06 < ybit> which do you use
21:07 < drazak> er
21:07 < drazak> fucker
21:07 < drazak> kanzure: what's the link to your mailing lists (aka the ones you're subscribed to)
21:07 < drazak> ybit: linux
21:07 < ybit> you are asking what wget is right?
21:07 < ybit> http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/
21:07 < drazak> nope
21:07 < ybit> oh
21:07 < drazak> I'm not asking what it is
21:07 < drazak> I'm saying what does that question mean
21:08 < ybit> http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html
21:08 < ybit> it's the for the rsync mirrors of interesting content
21:08 < ybit> related to diyh+
21:09 < ybit> papers,books, possibbly sites and videos 
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21:26 < ybit> There was a fellow in
21:26 < ybit> #wrongplanet that underwent some surgery to get a tube sticking out of
21:26 < ybit> his abdomen or chest to get food into his system. Not sure how much
21:26 < ybit> these operations cost, or how much the food-slop costs that he's now
21:26 < ybit> eating all the time.
21:26  * ybit could ask my mum or granfather the costs of such things since gramps is on this stuff now
21:26 < ybit> nobody probably cares though :)
21:27 < genehacker2> huh?
21:27 < ybit> genehacker2: don't worry about it
21:27 < genehacker2> you mean he can eat without having to eat?
21:27 < genehacker2> was this for medical reasons or for upgrade reasons?
21:28 < genehacker2> I'd like an intravenous feed so I'd never have to eat again
21:28 < ybit> Long-term, in vivo incremental/gradual scans might become available,
21:28 < ybit> using swarms of nanoagents who migrate into the CNS and record in
21:28 < ybit> situ.
21:29 < genehacker2> ok cool, but how do you make the nanoagents
21:29 < ybit> how do you make this transistion though, you still have biolobical parts functioning...
21:29 < ybit> genehacker2: i was hoping you could tell me :)
21:29 < genehacker2>  and how do you make 'em move and talk
21:30 < genehacker2> well there's bulk micromachining
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21:30 < genehacker2> but it's bulk micromachinging, so you'd need to scale it up
21:31 < genehacker2> maybe use small picnic table sized wafers the semiconductor industry is working on
21:31 < genehacker2> problem is making 3d stuff
21:32 < genehacker2> though getting them to move and talk is more of an issue
21:32 < ybit> geez, the rate of replies is too fast, hows about you keep the reply-rate low for people who have to work with no internet access ;) :( <-re;DIY DNA synthesis and nanoscale structures
21:33 < ybit> genehacker2: don't stop, keep going
21:33 < genehacker2> oh dear
21:33 < ybit> you were fixing to propose some method for communication between these 'agents'
21:33 < genehacker2> guess I'm running at 5 seconds per seconds
21:33 < genehacker2> ybit you do know I'm not human right?
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21:34 < ybit> "Procedural CAD using Python bindings to Open Cascade" http://groups.google.com/group/diykeyboard/browse_thread/thread/79767bd8defe79d8
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21:35 < genehacker2> communication method I have no idea
21:35 < ybit> genehacker2: you are like the bunny from rainbows end, right? except you happen to be using a defunct os :P
21:35 < genehacker2> hehehehehe
21:36 < genehacker2> maybe it was to deceive you
21:36 < ybit> argh, i need my neorunner asap so i can read ebooks or whatnot while free @ work
21:36 < genehacker2> well communication is hard on that scale
21:37 < genehacker2> not just the algorithms but sending a signal
21:37 < ybit> oh, boo, the occ thread above is lame
21:37 < genehacker2> that technology is quite far off
21:37 < kanzure> that link sucks ybit
21:37 < ybit> kanzure: indeed
21:37 < ybit> it's not just lame, it's fail?
21:37  * ybit nods yes
21:38 < ybit> thought it was something to do with keyboard bindings with occ, oh well
21:39 < kanzure> skdb has some keyboard bindings in paths.py
21:40 < genehacker2> have you gotten skdb to automatically design stuff yet
21:40 < kanzure> it depends on what you're asking
21:40 < kanzure> i mean, technically, we can make it randomly add bricks together
21:40 < kanzure> and we can make it add other parts together
21:40 < kanzure> but is that useful?
21:41 < genehacker2> any part I through at you?
21:41 < kanzure> imho i think the 'download a piece of hardware' thing is cooler
21:41 < kanzure> yeah you can add a part to skdb if you want
21:41 < kanzure> we can walk you through it
21:41 < genehacker2> cool
21:41 < genehacker2> It's a puzzle
21:41 < kanzure> you're a puzzle
21:42 < genehacker2> a puzzle for skdb to solve
21:42 < genehacker2> downloading a piece of hardware is cool
21:42 < genehacker2> when you have hardware to download
21:44 < genehacker2> sorry I'm in business mode, just got back from i2p rapid
21:44 < ybit> btw, what's with all this reprap isn't the final end to all ends or something
21:44 < genehacker2> it isn't
21:44 < ybit> genehacker2, you were saying you were just realizing this
21:45 < genehacker2> it can't make itself yet
21:45 < ybit> but with mendal it is supposed to be able to create it's own parts
21:45 < ybit> because of the metal extrustion head thingie
21:45 < ybit> s/extrustion/extrusion
21:45 < genehacker2> current goal seems to be make mendel cheap
21:45 < genehacker2> forget about replication make it cheap
21:46 < genehacker2> I want total replication
21:46 < ybit> and mendal can't do this? (i haven't looked yet)
21:46 < genehacker2> reprap can also only make stuff out of plastic
21:46 < genehacker2> the surface finish sucks
21:47 < genehacker2> if they can improve the surface finish, it might be possible to do high quality investment casting
21:48 < genehacker2> if you're willing to have a foundary in your backyard and most importantly if your neighbors are
21:52 < ybit> fsck the neighbors
21:52 < ybit> the go-ahead to restore a house for myself was given sometime yesterday :P
21:53  * ybit plans on decking it out in diytech
21:53 < ybit> and there's a nice level lot to go along with it which makes for a nice place to build a garage lab
21:54 < genehacker2> so here in [redacted] an investment casting company might get shut down becuase people worried about the nasty fumes from investment casting
21:54 < genehacker2> happens to be near a neighborhood
21:55 < ybit> hmm
21:55 < genehacker2> really, how are we going to make steel in our backyards?
21:55 < ybit> build a furnace?..
21:55 < genehacker2> it's a bit more complicated than that
21:55 < ybit> sure sure
21:55 < genehacker2> steel is something you really need to scale up to be cheap
21:56 < ybit> my dad and i are considering the farm for this type of stuff
21:56 < genehacker2> yeah you need a farm but then
21:57 < genehacker2> you aren't going to be making I-beams for that warehouse of yours
21:57 < ybit> fsck the warehouse :(
21:57 < genehacker2> taht you want to build because this is ahypothetical situation
21:57 < ybit> it's going to be scalled down to just metal working and electronic/lab thingie in my sideyard
21:57 < ybit> scaled*
21:58 < genehacker2> unless there's some new way to make steel or what not
21:58 < ybit> or metal @ farm and electronicFab @ garage, dunno
21:59 < ybit> yeah, because there's always new ways being invented :P
21:59 < genehacker2> not really
21:59 < ybit> thus the silly emot
21:59  * ybit loves the confusion of text
22:00 < ybit> s/loves/enjoys
22:00 < genehacker2> unless there's someway to grow something as strong as steel or we can get molecular manufacturing to work
22:00 < ybit> "molecular manufacturing to work" one day
22:00 < ybit> nanoengineer + skdb ftw?
22:01 < genehacker2> yeah
22:01 < genehacker2> some biocatalyst that makes carbon-nanotubes would be nice
22:02 < genehacker2> hmmm...
22:02 < genehacker2> maybe there's a way around steel
22:03 < genehacker2> grow stuff which you turn into composites
22:07 < ybit> off to bed... on the bright side i get to test out adrafinil tomorrow
22:07 < ybit> 22:03 < genehacker2> grow stuff which you turn into composites
22:07 < ybit> that is an interesting thought
22:08 < ybit> btw, olmifon has a braile writing on the front box which is neat 
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22:58 < kanzure> hello glytch_afk