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09:48 < kanzure> huh where did this come from?
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/wiki/Manufacturing_automation
09:48 < kanzure> "The following content is mirrored from the Hplusroadmap Wiki."
09:48 < kanzure> oh
09:48 < kanzure> well i guess that explains it
09:50 < kanzure> another one showing up in my search results: heybryan.org/.../2008-12-01_Bryan_Bishop_ADL_mega-super-awesome_presentation.pptx
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10:32 < kanzure> fenn: if a "function" in a function structure is compared to a part that has a greater or smaller range on acceptable units for activity on a port, what should happen?
10:32 < kanzure> i think i may prefer to call a "function from a function structure" a "ghost" because it's kinda like having an actual part except you don't, it's more like the outlines of a part
10:33 < kanzure> if the ranges on acceptable units are exactly the same, then a part may replace that ghost
10:33 < kanzure> but in many cases that will not be so
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10:39 < kanzure> guess there could be an extra attribute that says in which direction changes are allowed (if any) on the magnitude
10:39 < genehacker> heheheh
10:39 < kanzure> i.e., "this pipe accepts 40..50psi, locked"
10:40 < kanzure> er, I guess you can say "the minimum is locked, the maximum is locked"
10:40 < genehacker> you might put safety factor too
10:41 < kanzure> if you don't have these "locks", you could end up with drift.. because there may be "overlapping ranges" between mating parts
10:42 < genehacker> makes sense
10:42 < kanzure> i.e., if you say "this part will output 50 to 60 psi, " you might connect it to something that takes input of 20 to 100 psi. but the output of this second part might be "20 to 100 psi" too (or something totally different), so you end up with these values that are "drifting"
10:43 < genehacker> ok
10:44 < kanzure> has this ever happened to you when you were designing something?
10:44 < genehacker> I don't see what you mean
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10:44 < genehacker> but generally if something outputs 50 psi, it doesn't hook up to 20 psi pipe
10:45 < kanzure> well there are some devices that operate over a range of acceptable units right?
10:45 < genehacker> generally you design the whole thing to be 50 psi if it outputs 50 psi
10:46 < kanzure> oh?
10:46 < kanzure> does anyone ever design it to do otherwise?
10:46 < kanzure> like, have it internally operate at 100 psi
10:46 < kanzure> even though the input to the whole system is 50
10:46 < kanzure> and the output is 50?
10:46 < genehacker> yeah if it's a pressure amplifier
10:47 < genehacker> where you're hooking up a pump to a pump to pump a pump
10:47 < genehacker> then again I haven't designed that much
10:47 < kanzure> fenn: i guess this is more of a question of whether or not two Range objects are equal. Range(1,20)==Range(5,15) should be False, but that doesn't mean that an item within the first range is necessarily incompatible in the second range
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11:17 < kanzure> here are the possibilities i can imagine:
11:17 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/range-combos.txt
11:37 < kanzure> i guess you can specify ranges like this: >50..<70psi. this means, "a compatible range will be greater than 50 and less than 70 psi". 
11:37 < kanzure> or does compatibility of ranges change depending on context?
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12:02 < kardan> hi what happened to http://heybryan.org/mailman/listinfo/hplusroadmap ?
12:03 < kardan> "Biohack has a problem" http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap
12:03 < kardan> 404 http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/
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12:29 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_mathematical_symbols
12:29 < kanzure> kardan: the mysql db is on another machine
12:29 < kanzure> and mysqld isn't up. one moment.
12:30 < kardan> crap
12:30 < kanzure> ok there's no mysql db anyway
12:30 < kanzure> sorry :(
12:30 < kardan> what shall I do with symbols?
12:30 < kardan> its not urgent, just looked over the list of mailing lists
12:32 < fenn> kanzure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics
12:34 < kanzure> what? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics
12:34 < kanzure> http://www.decodeunicode.org/en/mathematical_alphanumeric_symbols
12:42 < fenn> with some data like "typical" and "feasible" range, typical = width of asymmetric gaussian distribution at 1 std deviation; feasible = width at n(=2?) std deviations
12:43 < fenn> a lot of machined geometrical precision distributions take the form of a trapezoid
12:44 < kardan> jep saw that, is that for me? (I see no connection)
12:44 < ybit> first day results of 600mg of adrafanil, kicks in slowly but when it does, surprise, it's just like modafinil
12:46 < fenn> what is modafinil like?
12:47 < bkero> It's like caffeine, but without all the shakes.
12:49 < fenn> please humor me, i don't know what caffeine does
12:51 < ybit> it makes you work faster
12:51 < ybit> you can recall items much faster as well
12:51 < ybit> but unlike caffeine i'm not shaking all over
12:54 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/uncertainfuture/index3.svg
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13:26 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/campbell/presentations/detc2007_manasi_1.0.pptx
13:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/PAR_18Sept09.zip
13:44 < fenn> it's (almost) a tarbomb.. leaves .sql and .doc file in current dir
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13:51 < kanzure> Rama Bindiganavale
14:49 < kanzure> maybe jan will understand me if i ask for 'actionary-to-language' (she gave me 'language to actionary' sort of)
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15:03 < kanzure> a lot of really nice meshing papers:
15:06 < kanzure> http://www.ann.jussieu.fr/~frey/papers/meshing/
15:50 < kanzure> hm maybe redefining MAX_INT as 0 is a bad idea
16:05 < ybit> i still can't really stand my boss, but i did get to operate a drill press and miller today
16:06 < ybit> and apparently we are going to convert to pick-up trucks to electric
16:06 < ybit> </brag>
16:11 < bkero> Hooray
16:11 < bkero> Heavy things work great as electric
16:11 < ybit> :P
16:11 < ybit> they are small pick-up trucks
16:11 < bkero> Just ask all those brilliant Ohio State University students that made a hybrid hummer
16:11 < ybit> btw bkero, i've taken your suggestion up, one of the welding projects is an electric bike now
16:14 < ybit> diff in adrafanil and modafanil, at leat in day one, adrafanil wears off and you have to take a higher dosage
16:14 < ybit> i'm taken 600mg of adrafanil today and it has worn off ~8 hours later
16:14 < ybit> s/i'm/i've
16:17 < kanzure> so i've got the system generating solutions to "pddl" problems but now i'm not sure what i'm supposed to do with this "solution"
16:24 < kanzure> hmph. there are a lot of 'sentence planners' out there, it turns out,
16:24 < kanzure> and when i look at pddl definition files it doesn't look that far off from PAR
16:24 < kanzure> so anyway, the trick now is figuring out how to get at least one of these to run
16:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/sentence-planning.txt
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17:21 < drazak> bkero: you mean 0-60 in an hour?
17:22 < bkero> drazak: Nope.  It'll never get to 60, the batteries will wear out by the time it hits 35.
17:22 < drazak> rofl
17:22 < drazak> I'm eating mediterranean pastries while my rna spins
17:22 < drazak> this lab=win
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18:01  * fenn notes that sarcasm doesn't travel well through the tubes
18:02 < drazak> man do I have a fuckton of textbooks
18:04 < fenn> burn them! burn them all!
18:04 < drazak> College Physics by Serway and Faughns
18:06 < kanzure> that book sucked
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18:31 < ybit> 17:21 < drazak> bkero: you mean 0-60 in an hour?
18:31 < ybit> 17:22 < bkero> drazak: Nope.  It'll never get to 60, the batteries will wear out by the time it hits 35.
18:31 < ybit> what are we talking about?
18:32 < bkero> electric Hummer
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18:55 < kanzure> http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Distributions.html
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19:09 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, what about the opposite assistive technology: that to cause/mandate sleep at a designated time?
19:24 < fenn> what does cran stand for?
19:24 < fenn> oh. comprehensive R archive network
19:24 < fenn> perl jocks
19:25 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: http://filebin.ca/zdfqvn/cognitive_enhancement_methods_ethics_and_regulatory_challenges.pdf
19:26 < ybit> warning, bostrom, but it has a general overview of using modafinil for alertness
19:26 < katsmeow-afk> i understand alertness, that' snot what i asked bout
19:26 < katsmeow-afk> err
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19:27 < katsmeow-afk> my paws are sore
19:30 < katsmeow-afk> wow, lotsa data
19:30 < bkero> paws?
19:30 < ybit> bkero: she's a cat
19:30 < bkero> I see.
19:30 < bkero> That's frightening.
19:31 < katsmeow-afk> meow
19:31 < katsmeow-afk> i am cognitively enhanced, but still have original equipment paws
19:31 < ybit> aww, bkero, you're scaring the poor kitty
19:31 < bkero> aineko
19:31 < katsmeow-afk> si
19:31 < ybit> who's seen the aptera electric car?
19:31 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_2_Series
19:32 < ybit> i just discovered it looking up cars to model mine after
19:32 < ybit> it was ted 2k9
19:32 < katsmeow-afk> i just ran out of "resources" , and winxp killed that adobe session
19:33 < ybit> so kill winxp?
19:33 < katsmeow-afk> thinking baout it
19:36 < drazak> kanzure: nothing I can do, it's the phsyics book we use, I'd like one with more calculus
19:36 < fenn> is aptera in production yet?
19:37 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: ubuntu is your friend
19:38 < ybit> at least until you upgrade and break everything, then debian becomes your new best friend
19:38 < ybit> until you realize you hate having missing packages and your computer is fast enough to run gentoo :P
19:39 < fenn> debian doesn't have missing packages
19:39 < ybit> s/packages/build conditions
19:39 < ybit> libs, flags, whatever you want to call it
19:40 < ybit> or just come to the fina realization that you don't mind building programs from source every now and then and stick with debian
19:40 < ybit> from source +manually
19:43 < ybit> and there's also the coming binary apocalypse to worry about
19:43 < ybit> so gentoo might be something to not easily discard :)
19:43 < katsmeow-afk> nah, i want a free xp clone that takes care of itself
19:44 < katsmeow-afk> i have enough hobbies, i don't need th eOSitself tobe anothe one
19:44 < bkero> So install ubuntu and be done with it. :)
19:44 < katsmeow-afk> odd how cement dries and tightenes the skin
19:44 < bkero> I just installed the newest 9.10 image.  It installed in 4 minutes, 26 seconds.
19:45 < katsmeow-afk> having weather here again tonite, like last nite : http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=BMX&region=c4&lat=33.51913834&lon=-86.80933380&label=Birmingham%2c%20AL
19:45 < katsmeow-afk> it's coming for you, ybit
19:45 < ybit> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/04/vixta-a-fedora-linux-based-windows-vista-clone/ pretty (kde) vista clone linux distro
19:45 < ybit> yeah, i noticed it while jogging awhile ago
19:47 < ybit> or maybe http://www.linux-xp.com/ is something you might be interested in
19:47 < ybit> or not since you have to buy it o.O
19:48 < katsmeow-afk> well, it lists no price, so i suppose not
19:48 < fenn> binary apocalypse?
19:53 < drazak> anyone been following the emails on diybio about purifying our own RE's?
19:53 < drazak> I think it shouldn't be too hard using a histidine tagging method, however we will need to determine a method of determining purity
19:53 < ybit> linux xp is freely available: ftp://downloads.linux-xp.com/pub/linux-xp/desktop/2008/international/
19:54 < ybit> fenn: i was hoping someone would link to the comic, i can't seem to find it
19:56 < fenn> the 2038 problem?
19:57 < drazak> also activity tests will need to be done so that concentrations can be determined, they aren't based on actual concentration, which could be determined from A280 absorbtion, but based on enzyme activity units
19:59 < ybit> fenn: no, there was a comic talking about robots and binary linux distros
20:01 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: heading for me? i think it's you who should be taking cover, eek
20:02  * ybit lies flat on his desktop "protecting" it from power surges
20:02 < ybit> off to bed, see you in the morn strages
20:04 < fenn> damn you and your robotic ambigosity
20:04 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: don't die
20:04 < ybit> yeah, damn google for not having much of a visual memory
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20:14 < kanzure> "compatibility analysis" brings up campbell's paper on "component selection"
20:18 < kanzure> does anyone have access to " Compatibility issues for mechanical system modelling with standard components" ?
20:26 < kanzure> nevermind they allow a free one-page preview
20:26 < kanzure> http://pep.metapress.com/content/p531743784704062/fulltext.pdf?page=1
20:26 < kanzure> http://pep.metapress.com/content/p531743784704062/fulltext.pdf?page=2
20:26 < kanzure> http://pep.metapress.com/content/p531743784704062/fulltext.pdf?page=3
20:26 < kanzure> etc.
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20:38 < kanzure> hello ve
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21:28 < kanzure> huh i just realized that one of my favorite papers ("A port ontology for conceptaul design of systems") is written by paredis
21:29 < kanzure> gee good thing i didn't ask him about it in person, i might have made progress
21:29 < kanzure> :(
22:01 < fenn> i knew that name sounded familiar
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23:23 < kanzure> hello branstrom 
23:24 < branstrom> hi there
23:25 < branstrom> gonna watch fringe, then take a 9 hour nap
23:25 < branstrom> ^^
23:27 < bkero> :( 
23:27 < bkero> Fringe makes me cry inside
23:31 < branstrom> It's sacrilegious but fun.