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00:03 < kanzure> ybit: that url reminds me of http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/timeline/0000.html
00:03 < kanzure> or at least one of the other pages on there
00:03  * kanzure now visits ybit's link
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00:05 < kanzure> i feel like a failed evil mad scientist for not buying it
00:06 < kanzure> sold: http://www.coolbiz.com/robodude/jet.jpg
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00:44 < fenn> 
00:44 < fenn> huh
00:44 < fenn> 
00:44 < fenn> i guess control-O counts as a character in irssi
00:45 < kanzure> 
00:59 < genehacker> ?
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01:16 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-jmodelica
01:16 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-openmodelica
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03:07 < wrldpc2_> has anyone seen the singularity is near?
05:05 < flamoot> http://www.boners.com/grub/798030.html
05:05 < flamoot> 
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08:51 < kanzure> in case anyone happens to care about my musical interests:
08:51 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/music-anime
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09:37 < jonathan__> it's wierd, no one knows the building names even if they work at UT.   everyone always says "what's MBB?"  funny
09:37 < jonathan__> either that or this building is not famous
09:39 < kanzure> it's new.
09:39 < kanzure> "new"
09:42 < kanzure> jonathan__: how do your scraper scripts work?
09:43 < jonathan__> how?
09:43 < kanzure> i guess i'm asking how to use them, not how they work
09:43 < kanzure> it looks like they work by "ieee <some url here>" right?
09:43 < jonathan__> go to the web site manually, and copy the link to the first journal
09:43 < kanzure> ok so you supply a link 
09:43 < jonathan__> some of them go "forwards" and some go "backwards" in chronology, depending on how I did it
09:44 < jonathan__> the ieee ones are more manual..  you have to save the pages in html
09:44 < jonathan__> the ieee site will have some link that is like  [1 - 20]  [21 - 49] [ 50 - ....]
09:45 < jonathan__> each link is a page, must be saved manually
09:45 < jonathan__> then it spiders thru those
09:45 < jonathan__> the base url is always the same, so it only needs those pages to work
09:45 < jonathan__> a simple top-top level script could fetch those pages too, but I havent gotten around to that
09:46 < kanzure> i think at one point ieee tried to block my ip address
09:46 < kanzure> (i was using my own script)
09:46 < jonathan__> it's pretty whack that before 1995 is nearly always unavailable online
09:46 < kanzure> everyone knows the world began in 1995
09:46 < jonathan__> well, you have to use the delays...
09:47 < jonathan__> it's just good practice anyway, to limit bandwidth
09:47 < kanzure> right
09:47 < kanzure> i wasn't using delays obviously :)
09:47 < jonathan__> maybe they have some fake url's in there, however my parsing gets around it, if there is
09:47 < jonathan__> since it's only getting pdfs, it is not spidering
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09:52 < jonathan__> I need some high thermal conductivity potting epoxy
09:53 < jonathan__> the scripts dont use cmd line args if thats what you're asking
09:55 < kanzure> "since it's only getting pdfs, it is not spidering" warped definition of spidering imho.. but if it works, it works :)
09:57 < jonathan__>  Synthetic Biology
09:57 < jonathan__> the technoscience and its societal consequences
09:57 < jonathan__> Publisher	Springer Netherlands
09:57 < jonathan__> DOI	10.1007/978-90-481-2678-1
09:57 < jonathan__> Copyright	2009
09:57 < jonathan__> fluff book
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10:09 < jonathan__> my question goes unanswered: "What is the bill of materials for the open gel box 2.0 ? "
10:11 < kanzure> tito's a jerk.. he's started a company without actually having something
10:11 < kanzure> i really doubt he has a BOM
10:11 < jonathan__> he is shipping product
10:11 < kanzure> he did the design in google sketchup.. that should tell you something about him.
10:11 < kanzure> wtf?
10:12 < kanzure> arghadsl;jfal;kjfaj
10:12 < jonathan__> for at least a couple mos
10:13 < jonathan__> come on, there's no need for CAD when making a gel box, it takes more time than it is worth
10:13 < jonathan__> simple list of intructions & materials will do 
10:14 < kanzure> four prisms too hard to model for you?
10:14 < jonathan__> the google cad is worse, because dimensions arent obvious if they are stated at all
10:14 < kanzure> five, maybe
10:14 < kanzure> it's not even cad
10:14 < jonathan__> either way there is no BOM
10:15 < kanzure> right
10:16 < jonathan__> and no block diagram etc
10:16 < jonathan__> the schematic is silly
10:17 < jonathan__> meaningless
10:17 < kanzure> jonathan__: i have a bunch of .dwg files, do you have anything to convert these to STEP or IGES?
10:18 < jonathan__> no.   i dont use CAD 
10:19 < jonathan__> well, EE layout is a CAD but I dont consider it CAD
10:22 < jonathan__> diybio is following the standard "open source => secretive" trajectory, same as computer industry
10:23 < jonathan__> that is, if eveyrone could stop talking about the same old diy agar diy synthesis in order to discuss higher level projects
10:23 < kanzure> nobody understands skdb :(
10:24 < jonathan__> you never explained it well
10:24 < kanzure> why isn't there a repository on diybio.org yet?
10:24 < kanzure> never?
10:24 < jonathan__> never
10:24 < kanzure> didn't i explain it last year multiple hundreds of times?
10:25 < jonathan__> not well, no
10:25 < kanzure> ah, well. yes..
10:25 < jonathan__> "skdb is like apt-get for hardware" is not an explanation
10:25 < kanzure> it is if you know what apt-get is
10:25 < jonathan__> see
10:25 < kanzure> and if you don't, you should go install ubuntu
10:25 < jonathan__> see
10:25 < kanzure> because it doesn't take that much time
10:25 < jonathan__> ha
10:25 < kanzure> er not even install :)
10:25 < jonathan__> that attitude never works
10:25 < kanzure> right that's why there's an explanation on the wiki
10:25 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb
10:26 < kanzure> but that might also be useless
10:26 < jonathan__> you need to be able to explain to some random guy in a coffee shop in less than 3 sentences
10:26 < kanzure> why?
10:26 < jonathan__> thats why they call it "an elevator pitch"
10:26 < kanzure> "download hardware over the web"
10:27 < kanzure> that's what i've been saying recently
10:27 < jonathan__> hardware != web
10:27 < kanzure> nobody said that..
10:27 < jonathan__> download != hardware
10:27 < kanzure> sigh
10:27 < kanzure> i didn't say that either
10:27 < jonathan__> download != hardware != over web
10:27 < kanzure> i could do that for anything you say too
10:28 < kanzure> thats != why != they != call != it != "an elevator pitch"
10:28 < jonathan__> too many disseparate ideas in 1 sentence
10:28 < jonathan__> thats the point
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10:28 < jonathan__> "download hardware" = "what? "
10:28 < jonathan__> "what? huh?"
10:28 < jonathan__> "hardware over web" = "what? huh?"
10:28 < kanzure> it's not something they have seen before
10:29 < kanzure> if you have a better idea for a <1 sentence introduction, go for it
10:29 < jonathan__> ha, I'm not the project lead
10:29 < jonathan__> read up on elevator pitches, it will save you
10:30 < jonathan__> how would you explain it to rothenburg in 3 sentences
10:30 < kanzure> "Meir of Rothenburg (Mahram of Rothenburg), a major medieval German rabbi" ?
10:31 < jonathan__> dna orgami guy
10:32 < kanzure> rothemund
10:33 < kanzure> he and i talked over email actually, and i explained it to him as his professor's matter compiler project except not just for dna
10:33 < jonathan__> i'll tell ya, venture capitalists are equally "dumb" and they have the funding so....
10:33 < kanzure> he totally went nuts and wanted to spazz on about neil gershenfeld and fablabs
10:33 < kanzure> so i would say it was fairly successful
10:33 < kanzure> i don't think rothemund is a good target, pick someone less mainstream :)
10:34 < drazak> -/n
10:34 < jonathan__> ok, then distill that "successful" down to 3 sentences
10:36 < kanzure> drazak: ?
10:36 < kanzure> jonathan__: would you help me?
10:36 < jonathan__> with?
10:37 < kanzure> a "not terrible" elevator pitch
10:37 < jonathan__> no one else can help you, since it is your project it has to be your pitch
10:38 < jonathan__> you can solve this by trial & error, worst case.  that is wht postdocs do
10:38 < kanzure> postdocs don't have friends like you
10:38 < jonathan__> they tell random peope about their project, until the idea is finally distilled down
10:38 < kanzure> doesn't seem that way from reading papers
10:39 < kanzure> so "downloading from the web" is not distilled?
10:39 < kanzure> i mean, "downloading" isn't distilled enough?
10:39 < jonathan__> a conclusion like "well if they dont know apt-get then they need to go install or read blah blah" is the first wall to break thru
10:39 < kanzure> what's wrong with the "download hardware" statement?
10:39 < kanzure> i can easily explain apt-get, but it's just me saying it and why would they believe me?
10:40 < kanzure> i mean it sounds fairly extraordinary when you think about it
10:40 < jonathan__> there is no correct answer to "what is wrong with the X statement?"
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10:41 < jonathan__> the only measurement is: do people 'get' it or they 'dont get it'
10:41 < kanzure> how can i tell if they do or do not get it?
10:41 < jonathan__> thus the primary way of finding the working pitch is just to practice
10:42 < jonathan__> then see if random people get it or dont get it, and try different ways of explaining it
10:42 < jonathan__> obviously they need to be new people, otherwise they are tainted
10:42 < kanzure> hah
10:42 < jonathan__> you have the perfect environment for this..  pick random undergrads
10:43 < jonathan__> but pick ones who are not enginers..  maybe pick english majors or something
10:43 < jonathan__> you dont know the major apriori of course, tho basically it means, dont pick the nerdy looking people
10:44 < drazak> kanzure: typo, I was doing /n
10:51 < kanzure> nathan is so funny. "am i going to have to make an index.html so you can't peruse!!!"
10:52 < kanzure> "nathan.. you gave me root on the server."
10:54 < drazak> McCorkle?
10:54 < kanzure> yes
10:55 < kanzure> hm i need a way to distinguish my nathans
10:58 < kanzure> drazak: there is a way to inject bare DNA through the tail of a rat and have it puncture the cells of the kidney (haptocytes)
10:59 < kanzure> just thought i'd mention that re: your latest post
11:01 < drazak> sure
11:01 < drazak> but it's a bitch
11:01 < drazak> I think nathan has a problem reading
11:01 < drazak> "transdermal" = through the skin
11:07 < kanzure> the harwell subroutine library has a terrible license
11:09 < kanzure> what's the point of ipopt if it doesn't provide any solvers with its code base?
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14:17 < genehacker> now what are you talking about with english majors?
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14:25 < jonathan__> use them for experimentation
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14:41 < genehacker2> on?
14:43 < kanzure> that took forever.
14:43 < kanzure> adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-jmodelica
14:44 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-jmodelica
14:45 < kanzure> oops, didn't upload it. the lag is affecting my brain.
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14:55 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/screenshots/2009-09-21-jmodelica.png
14:55 < kanzure> (that's the pendulum problem running)
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16:50 < ybit> kanzure: that robotwisdom link is neat, wish it would go past 2004 though :)
16:51 < ybit> jmodelica or openmodelica, still deciding?
16:53 < kanzure> chemical informatics: http://code.google.com/p/cinfony/
16:54 < kanzure> ybit: uhrm. well, jmodelica works, but i'm not sure if it does anything other than optimization problems
16:54 < kanzure> http://openbabel.org/wiki/Using_OpenBabel_from_Python
16:54 < kanzure> http://rdkit.org/
16:54 < kanzure> (one of the openbabel professors got back to me and suggested some links)
16:55 < ybit> 10:17 < kanzure> jonathan__: i have a bunch of .dwg files, do you have anything to convert these to STEP or IGES? 
16:55 < ybit> is that from the diy-CNC guy that you, kanzure, linked to yesterday?
16:55 < kanzure> ybit: they are on adl:/home/achiestdragon/
16:55 < kanzure> yes
16:58 < kanzure> hm paredis wants to do a proposal with campbell
16:59 < ybit> 0:33 < kanzure> he totally went nuts and wanted to spazz on about neil gershenfeld and fablabs
16:59 < ybit> as in liked fablabs or didn't?
16:59 < kanzure> liked.
17:00 < ybit> 10:41 < jonathan__> the only measurement is: do people 'get' it or they 'dont get it'
17:01 < ybit> they usually get it, what exactly is wrong with the explanation right now? i don't think there's anything wrong with 'download hardware from the web, hardware package management system similar to apt-get, etc'
17:02 < kanzure> ybit: no it was not from the diy-CNC guy, btw.
17:02 < kanzure> different people, sorry
17:02 < ybit> people understand the elevator pitches that have been presented, i don't think measuring if it's successful based on if they contribute any to the project is a correct measurement 
17:02 < ybit> ah, okay
17:03 < ybit> people understand diybio, but many people don't contribute
17:04 < ybit> maybe they feel like they can't contribute anything and are waiting for someone else to do the work? :-\
17:04 < ybit> as nykodemus has pointed out to me :)
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17:11 < kanzure> this is what i am hoping jmodelica is capable of : http://www.iti.de/uploads/pics/scr_Modelica_02.jpg
17:13 < kanzure> huh dymola is owned by dassault? doesn't dassault do solidworks?
17:13 < kanzure> oh they do CATIA
17:14 < kanzure> nice overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modelica
17:14 < drazak> next time I'm at the lab when nobody else is I'm going to try agar vs. agarose vs. polyacrylimide for dna, image the results, and post them
17:15 < drazak> I should try pre-run agar too, and pre-run then remelted and re-set agar
17:22 < kanzure> "job requirements: you know your way around wireshark and you have published one public exploit picked up by security team. 'nough said."
17:22 < kanzure> that was a job posting from a security company in austin today
17:23 < kanzure> the guy who posted it contributes to the bodyhacking mailing list, a transhuman-friendly group here in austin
17:24 < drazak> an article in scientific american this month mentioned h+
17:41 < kanzure> hah. "richard mendez: first webmaster of utexas.edu"
17:44 < genehacker> where's that?
17:45 < kanzure> http://utexas.edu/teamweb/
17:45 < kanzure> i was looking around at stuff because i was annoyed that ecac.engr.utexas.edu doesn't remember that i registered with them last year
17:45 < kanzure> so i can't use their spiffy resume generator dealy to update my pdf file
17:48 < genehacker> going to expo?
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17:51 < rook> what about fibonacci indexed-placeholders in programmed array's in c/c++ or java
18:07 < kanzure> hello rook
18:07 < rook> hi
18:07 < kanzure> why would i use fibonacci numbers as indices in an array?
18:09 < Utopiah> number thery applied to data structure indexing? o_0
18:19 < fenn> drazak: why not just do it next time you're at the lab? it's not like you're cooking up LSD
18:20 < drazak> fenn: weird looks mostly
18:20 < drazak> fenn: and "why are you doing that's
18:21 < fenn> SCIENCE
18:23 < drazak> yeah well
18:38 < rook> oh, i write code too, fibonacci numbers -- i was wondering myself what would happen with visualization of the output when fibonacci number sequence 11235.. .were used to place the index of some visualization, where the 11235 numbers would simply represent the amount of times to shift [0..1..3] in a direction in the array, if the array index of the array, if the ends of the array are reached by the index [playhead] bounce back n' forth , e
18:38 < rook> r.. circular buffer?
18:38 < rook> sry its like 1/2 in the middle of dinner time, i didn't mean to be rude or anything, i hope i didn't offend anyone
18:58 < kanzure> why are you here?
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19:22 < ybit> kanzure: thanks for anime music, i forget how nice it is for background music
19:23 < ybit> because i don't understand a word so i'm not distracted by what they say and it's upbeat
19:31 < drazak> infected mushroom is good for that too
19:31 < drazak> I lost all my IF though :(
19:36 < ybit> some girl was telling me about 'infected mushroom' the other day while she was rubbing my leg, don't ask why
19:37 < ybit> 19:31 < drazak> I lost all my IF though :(
19:37 < ybit> eh?
19:39 < ybit> think i've heard these guys before
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19:57 < drazak> they're good
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20:15 < ybit> options for a hackerspace atm:
20:15 < ybit> 1) Take the house, build a garage which friends are welcome to use (can't make it an official hackerspace where people can come at anytime during the night for neighbors' sake)
20:15 < ybit> 2) Form the NPO, get stuff donated to build a warehouse on the farm, and run the risk of the property being sold 
20:15 < ybit> 3) Find an unused warehouse and pay rent
20:15 < ybit> 4) Go to Spain and eventually get around to forming one there
20:15 < ybit> leaning toward 1 or 2
20:15 < kanzure> how about you come down to austin
20:16 < ybit> warehouse there?
20:18 < ybit> take that as a no :(
20:18 < genehacker> we got one
20:19 < ybit> http://pastebin.ca/1574698
20:19 < genehacker> no goodies though
20:19 < ybit> still working through that mess and a sugar shock at the same time 
20:20 < ybit> that's the last time i have 4 biscuits with jelly, 3 cornbread muffins, sugared down ketchup and blueberry cheesecake ice cream, _ever_ :)
20:20 < ybit> genehacker: seriously? what's the square footage?
20:21 < genehacker> ask kanzure
20:21 < kanzure> 3000sqft
20:21 < drazak> hm
20:21 < drazak> maybe I should come down to austin
20:21 < drazak> help you guys set up the warehous
20:22 < ybit> kanzure: woah, that's not bad, how tall is the ceiling?
20:23 < kanzure> tall enough to lug big stuff
20:23 < ybit> even a 16 foot tall airplane?
20:23 < ybit> ~40ft wingspan
20:23 < kanzure> yes
20:23 < kanzure> 40ft ? hm.
20:23 < kanzure> no, the garage door is only 40 by 15 or something :p
20:24 < ybit> renting or owned?
20:24 < drazak> although you guys would all be mad at me
20:24 < kanzure> renting
20:24 < drazak> I'd buy commercial crap
20:24 < ybit> drazak: why so? :P
20:24 < ybit> oh, bah, nah
20:24 < kanzure> drazak: if you have money to buy it, that's not terrible
20:24 < drazak> used or refurbed
20:24 < drazak> kanzure: it's called a job
20:24 < kanzure> what job?
20:25 < drazak> I dunno
20:25 < drazak> I'd have to go to college down there
20:25 < drazak> and then find a job from that
20:25 < kanzure> it sucks here
20:25 < drazak> aye
20:25 < drazak> I could make some money doing data entry
20:25 < drazak> it's boring as shit
20:25 < ybit> i figure if i form a npo (yuck) then businesses will assist me in building a warehouse. i haven't had problems in the past with businesses helping npos and charities out
20:25 < drazak> but you can do it online
20:25 < ybit> jobs are boring.
20:26 < ybit> grants for research are fun though
20:26 < drazak> yeah well
20:26 < drazak> need a helluva a good grant
20:26 < drazak> which we couldn't get easily
20:26 < drazak> well that's not true
20:26 < drazak> there's some stuff at natures website where you can write proposals and get like 5 grand each
20:26 < drazak> I could do that shit
20:28  * ybit is thinking that if the warehouse is built on the farm, there's already a well dug, just need pipes to transport the water to the building using pipes that are donated, setup a few solar panels (donated *fingers crossed*), etc. go off the electrical grid and the only bills to pay would be property tax
20:28 < ybit> the members' money wouldn't all go to bullshit bills, just prop tax, rest toward building things
20:30 < kanzure> so, it's not that hard to get a small loan under $50k
20:30 < ybit> ..for?
20:30 < kanzure> to just do my shit
20:31 < kanzure> maybe i'll get the loan and a few of you can come down here to work on skdb
20:31 < drazak> I couldn't work on skdb though
20:31 < ybit> didn't you look at this already?
20:31  * ybit could :)
20:31 < drazak> I'm biology only ;P
20:31 < kanzure> no
20:31 < kanzure> drazak: why not
20:31 < ybit> drazak: skdb has bio though
20:31 < drazak> kanzure: I don't know how to program and my documentation writing sucks
20:31 < kanzure> you don't do programming?
20:32 < drazak> I've said this like 10 times
20:32 < ybit> drazak: might as well start now
20:32 < drazak> :P
20:32 < ybit> it's not too difficult, seriously, start with some python tuts
20:32 < drazak> I know enough to know what a piece of code does, and enough to write little hackish scripts
20:32 < kanzure> what do you not know?
20:33 < drazak> it's not difficult, I know, I just can't do it
20:33 < drazak> kanzure: I can't think the right way to do it
20:33 < drazak> I think parralel, not linear
20:33 < kanzure> what does that mean
20:33 < ybit> re:grants, kanzure, what grants are you referencing? didn't you already look into this?
20:33 < kanzure> no not grants
20:33 < kanzure> a loan
20:34 < ybit> oh, yeah, slightly diff... hmm..
20:34 < drazak> I can't go A-F I go A-B and C-D and E-F and then B-C and D-E
20:34 < drazak> we could get grants
20:34 < drazak> it's not that hard to get grants if you can write and think andread
20:34 < genehacker> so kanzure I got an idea for some stuff you could sell as a kit
20:34 < kanzure> drazak: it's not hard if you have previous grants to back it up
20:35 < kanzure> genehacker: so?
20:35 < genehacker> or something to sell interim
20:35 < drazak> kanzure: nah, just start with small ones
20:35 < drazak> kanzure: 100k grants, not 4mil grants
20:35 < ybit> depends on what for, i've heard from it's easy and i've heard it's difficult 
20:35 < drazak> it's difficult
20:35 < kanzure> drazak: have you done it?
20:35 < drazak> but if you apply for 5 grants you'll likely get one
20:35 < genehacker> kanzure you might consider selling repraps
20:35 < drazak> kanzure: I've done westerns and such for 3 grant applications
20:35 < ybit> genehacker: i thought of doing the samw
20:36 < drazak> kanzure: and helped outline two of them
20:36 < kanzure> drazak: the NSF guys told me the chances are more like %5
20:36 < drazak> kanzure: depends on the grant
20:36 < kanzure> genehacker: i don't want to sell repraps. go away.
20:36 < genehacker> ok
20:36 < ybit> 20:36 < drazak> kanzure: depends on the grant
20:36 < ybit> is what i was saying
20:36 < drazak> kanzure: certain grants are easy
20:36 < kanzure> bullshit
20:36 < drazak> well
20:36 < drazak> certain grants have 30% acceptance
20:36 < kanzure> show me
20:36 < ybit> selling repraps isn't bad, especially if it's by word of mouth
20:37 < drazak> nystem grants for non-cell systems are 30% acceptance
20:37 < kanzure> i don't want to sell repraps
20:37 < kanzure> you guys suck
20:37  * kanzure goes away
20:37 < ybit> :P
20:37 < drazak> nystem for cell systems are like 10%
20:37 < drazak> we get 1/3 of every nystem grant we apply for
20:37 < genehacker> you're a molecular biology lab
20:39 < drazak> we're a cardiology lab
20:39 < drazak> half of what we do is an animal model
20:39 < genehacker> aren't you at a university
20:40 < drazak> yup
20:40 < kanzure> ok then shut up
20:40 < genehacker> well I'm outta here
20:40 < drazak> lol
20:41 < ybit> OT: anyone carry a gun on them?
20:42  * ybit is considering it. i've already got a few shotguns, but i was thinking of obtaining a handgun with alt bullets (the one which paralyze)
20:42 < ybit> ones*
20:43  * ybit has never used the shotguns except as a wee little man
20:43 < ybit> pepper spray just doesn't cut it for me either, especially if the intruder has a gun and is several feet away making the spray ineffective
20:44 < drazak> shotguns are nice
20:44 < drazak> what kind of shotguns do you have?
20:45 < ybit> dunno, i know they're 10 gauge 
20:46 < ybit> i do know how to use them if need be, but i'd much prefer a handgun w/ alt bullets
20:47 < drazak> 10 gauge?
20:47 < drazak> that's rare
20:47 < drazak> iirc
20:49 < ybit> i don't think so
20:50 < ybit> btw, there's some 'open source' ak-47 designs floating around supposedly 
20:51 < drazak> they don't really make shells for it anymore
20:51 < drazak> it's the biggest gauge availible
20:51  * ybit is curious where swig defines compiler flags
20:51 < drazak> the most common is 12, then 20, then .410, then 28
20:52 < ybit> i knew "the most common is 12, then 20" not "then .410, then 28"
20:53 < genehacker> wtf
20:55  * ybit can't find i686 in setup.py, plenty of i386 and -m32 though
20:55 < ybit> genehacker: what are you wtfing over?
20:57 < genehacker> oh nothing
20:59  * ybit makes a skeptical look toward to genehacker 
20:59 < ybit> fsck grammar
21:00 < genehacker> I think I just broke math
21:00 < drazak> ybit: my uncle is a competition skeet shooter
21:02 < ybit> genehacker: g?del beat you to it ;)
21:02 < ybit> drazak: i played that on nintendo once :P
21:03  * ybit was flawless lying on the bed and shooting gangsta style
21:03 < ybit> ...while the gun was on the screen :)
21:03 < drazak> ...
21:04 < drazak> I used to shoot a 20
21:04 < ybit> 20 what?
21:04 < ybit> what gun that is
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21:09 < ybit> rook is from the atl area it seems
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21:35 < ybit> atm, i'm being fucked in every hole by both pythonOCC's build systems
21:36 < fenn> welcome to the club
21:36 < fenn> is this your first time?
21:36 < ybit> fenn: yes
21:36 < ybit> #    ECA = ['-O0','-march=%s'%architecture]^M
21:36 < ybit> i could have swore i had a successful build on gentoo awhile back, oh well
21:37 < ybit> anywho, if i can findout where that is being declared, i might be able to work around the m32/i686 error
21:37 < kanzure> pastebin the output 
21:37 < kanzure> i have recently become a makefile and autoconf ninja
21:38 < ybit> 20:19 < ybit> http://pastebin.ca/1574698
21:39 < kanzure> togetic?
21:40 < kanzure> my pikachu can totally womp on your togetic
21:40 < ybit> also http://pastebin.com/m739a6b48 is the scons build
21:40 < ybit> hells no he can't, there's about to be a throw-down in here
21:40 < kanzure> you don't have stdlib.h ?
21:41 < kanzure> wtf mate? isn't that in build-essentials or something?
21:42 < ybit> i already have build-essential
21:42  * ybit locates
21:42 < kanzure>  try libstdc++
21:48 < fenn> this is good, keep track of packages you have to install (and plz dont add packages that didnt solve the problem)
21:52 < ybit> well it's funny, installing python-dev fixed the scons problem awhile back, seems it was uninstalled recently and now i have the same error. so i re-installed, same error presents itself, guess i will try libstdc++ in just a bit
21:52 < ybit> um, yeah /usr/include/stdlib.h
21:53 < ybit> so that lib dir just needs to be specified
21:59 < ybit> where does setup.py get it's i686/m32 shiz? it's not from sconstruct obviously
22:00 < fenn> btw ybit you know about apt-file right?
22:00 < ybit> yeah
22:02 < kanzure> try environment.py
22:02 < ybit> Checking whether c++ compiler "gcc" works...no
22:02 < ybit> Checking for swig ...(cached) yes
22:02 < ybit> Checking for C++ header file libstdc++... no
22:02 < kanzure> can you read the configure file to see what the actual check is?
22:03 < ybit> afk, bbl
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23:20 < flamoot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRslKeT0EmQ During a routine Speech Kasparov is stopped in his tracks by an adapted Pico 
23:20 < flamoot>                  Helicopter with a giant Penis. 
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23:22 < ybit> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libTKWOK-6.3.0.so /usr/lib/libTKWOK.so
23:24 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/m4dd304a5
23:24 < ybit> gots to enjoy sharing one computer in a household
23:25 < fenn> why only one computer?
23:26 < ybit> anyway, i realized that i was previously using the dir what was extraced from the tarball, forgot i had even used a tarball at one time.. so the most recent pastebin is from the svn v.
23:26 < fenn> apt-file search libTKDCAF
23:26 < fenn> the answer should be libopencascade-draw
23:26 < ybit> fenn: i have other comps, but only one that is currently functional, and this one is the fastest of all of them o.O
23:26 < fenn> i thought that would have gotten pulled in by default tho
23:27 < ybit> cpu MHz		: 1132.914
23:27 < ybit> cache size	: 256 KB
23:27 < ybit> amd athlonx xp :P
23:27 < fenn> i'd rather use a release because then i can tell people what to do and expect it to work
23:27 < fenn> svn could be broken (probably will be too)
23:28 < fenn> oh wait a minute, you just had to ln -s the 6.3.0 libs
23:28 < fenn> i thought i listed all of those
23:29 < ybit> except for TKDCAF it seems :)
23:30 < kanzure> ok andrew wants to pay me a few hundred bucks to fuck up pinkarmy.org
23:30 < fenn> to what end?
23:30 < ybit> so everyone there can have username-afk?
23:31 < kanzure> just random sysadmin bullshit
23:31 < fenn> that doesnt sound like it's really solving any problem
23:31 < kanzure> why not?
23:31 < ybit> glad you reminded me, if i ever get free time, i need to read hessel's stuff or just watch the presentation vid
23:31 < fenn> er.. does he have a business plan yet?
23:32 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/pinkarmy.html
23:32 < fenn> there are 7 people signed up
23:33 < kanzure> sorry, what?
23:33 < fenn> $40 life membership would mean he's squandering it all on sysadminning
23:33 < fenn> that's not a business plan
23:33 < kanzure> is this a business?
23:34 < fenn> is it?
23:34 < kanzure> doesn't look like it
23:34 < fenn> hrm
23:35 < fenn> if you're trying to get paid somehow you need to go where money is going
23:36 < ybit> down the toilet?
23:36 < ybit> *comedy drums*
23:36  * ybit waits for the tomato slinging
23:37 < kanzure> maybe i should stop being excited about the system
23:37 < kanzure> and more excited about .. ? what's supposed to  be the alternative?
23:38 < ybit> btw..
23:38 < ybit> E: Couldn't find package libopencascade-draw
23:38 < ybit> it doesn't exist
23:38 < kanzure> did you update your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
23:38 < ybit> yup
23:38 < ybit> heath@togetic:~$ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
23:38 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/f50c1b3a
23:42 < ybit> aha
23:42 < ybit>     else:^M
23:42 < ybit>         ECA.append('-march=%s -m32'%platform.machine())^M
23:52 < ybit> just had to remove (without quotes) ' -m32'
23:52 < ybit> then
23:52 < ybit> ln -s /home/heath/builds/opencascade/ros/inc/* /home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin
23:53 < ybit> so here's where i'm at now:
23:53 < ybit> heath@togetic:~/builds/pythonOCC/src$ pastebinit fuck.txt 
23:53 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/f6aeda4f8
23:56 < ybit> hrm, seems ln -s /home/heath/builds/opencascade/ros/src/Standard/* /home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin has alredy been done
23:57 < ybit> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin/Standard_Size.hxx': File exists
23:57 < ybit> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin/Standard_Static.hxx': File exists
23:57 < ybit> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin/Standard_Stream.hxx': File exists
23:57 < ybit> etc