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00:04 < fenn> Sponsored Results
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00:04 < katsmeow-afk> lol
00:07 < fenn> hmm google lively only lasted 5 months
00:07 < fenn> good riddance
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00:32 < fenn> i thought for sure i would recognize one of them http://planet.gnome.org/heads/
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00:49 < fenn> this is your biannual Second Life graphics data point http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YpXOKHanSZo/Srg8fvs31fI/AAAAAAAAA0k/sneq9WNs6Rw/s1600-h/crystal_054.png
00:49 < fenn> i think those speculars are textured on.. not so impressive
00:49 < bkero> what
00:52 < genehacker> and of course that'll load really slow
00:53 < fenn> i keep expecting video games to look better but it's some kind of inverse moore's law
00:53 < bkero> They look more brown
00:53 < bkero> Lots of gray and brown
00:53 < fenn> like the squaring of the number of pixels and overhead increases faster than the squaring of transistor density
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00:54 < genehacker> is it reasonable for a person to run 400 meters in a minute?
00:54 < fenn> yes
00:54 < fenn> a fast person
00:55 < bkero> win 44
00:56 < genehacker> crap
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01:20 < bkero> Damn it
01:20 < bkero> I'm trying to see how feasable it would be to use a cheap arduino system instead of a $300 megasquirt
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01:39 < fenn> quite feasible i'd expect
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06:24 < wrldpc2> Good morning, hplusroadmap!
07:42 < kanzure> morning
08:15 < kanzure> http://diybookscanner.org/
08:18 < kanzure> wow not only is it "photos only" but it's "really large jpg photos only"
08:18 < kanzure> how useless
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09:29 < kanzure> hm paul is five hours away
09:29 < kanzure> guess that's not going to happen
09:29 < kanzure> also he's broke again apparently
09:31 < kanzure> so does this feel natural enough for specifying dependencies? (package1 and package2) or (package3 and package4 and (gold ? mass > 20 kg & carrot < 2)
09:31 < kanzure> )
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10:20 < kanzure> hello ChristianS 
10:20 < kanzure> see the /topic i guess
10:20 < ChristianS> hi
10:21 < kanzure> so, yeah, where conditions in pyparsing
10:22 < kanzure> the idea is to pass off anything in the where clause to booleano
10:22 < kanzure> and then construct the parse tree with a branch pointing over to booleano's parse tree
10:30 < kanzure> heh "Getting started with pyparsing" (Paul McGuire) has some cooking examples that basically match the grammar i have going for dependency expressions
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11:21 < kanzure> http://www.tno-projects.pqa.nl/sesti/wiki/
11:21 < kanzure> they paid 150 000 euros for that wiki
11:21 < kanzure> (and apparently it doesn't even work)
11:21 < kanzure> i dunno if i suck at converting between currencies or what, but that's nearly $150k USD
11:22 < kanzure> for some bullshit wiki?
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11:25 < Noahj> According to XE.com that's $218,121
11:25 < Noahj> What's it supposed to do?
11:26 < Noahj> Ah, there's an about page
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11:29 < Noahj> Yep, looks like a bunch 'o bullshit
11:29 < Noahj> "A weak signal is an early indicator of future change" 
11:31 < Noahj> I doubt they'll be able to predict anything slashdot won't 
11:33 < kanzure> well they are a political organization apparently
11:33 < kanzure> so they are trying to influence policymakers apparently
11:33 < kanzure> apparently apparently apparently
11:35 < Noahj> It kind of sounds like they're trying to solve the problem that when things change in some fundamental way it takes time to adjust by making those adjustments before things change 
11:36 < Noahj> But they'll probably change things fundamentally by making those adjustments whether those previously  mentioned things that are going to change change they way they expected or not
11:36 < Noahj> Also, they should read Foundation, I hear that's sort of the premise
11:38 < kanzure> don't you have school
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11:42 < Noahj> Fab academy's M-W-F 
11:50 < kanzure> fair enough
11:51 < kanzure> is there any chance of you videotapping or making a transcript in real time? :)
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12:33 < genehacker> http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/article/2009-09/iss-could-get-its-own-electron-beam-fabrication-3d-printer
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14:49 < drazak> ybit and/or whomever: I have a farily basic list of required reagents and hardware/software(aka stuff you throw out) for a cell culture room
14:49 < kanzure> where is it?
14:50 < drazak> I have to type it up
14:50 < drazak> gimme a minute and I will, I wrote it down last night
14:50 < drazak> I need some food and some beverage in a minute, and then I'll type it up :)
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15:56 < drazak> http://drazak.net/~drazak/tissue%20culture%20room%20equipment.ods
15:56 < drazak> kanzure, genehacker ^^^^^
16:02 < kanzure> what are the tubes?
16:02 < kanzure> don't they have a brand?
16:03 < drazak> "pretty much"
16:03 < drazak> they're all the same
16:04 < drazak> as long as you have a centrifuge that has exchangeable rotors and comes with a set of 8 or 10 of them you can get whatever ones you want
16:04 < drazak> BD sciences and corning are the major brands
16:04 < drazak> the assorted microtubes is because there's like 8 different kinds I can think of off the top of my head that are useful for various thing
16:06 < drazak> hm, I forgot incubators, didn't I?
16:10 < kanzure> $200M/yr neurotech industry bill is going before congress http://www.neurotechindustry.org/takeaction.html
16:10 < drazak> you guys can feel free to append if you think I'm missing anything
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16:16 < kanzure> drazak: i'm not going to use that list because it's not useful to me
16:16 < kanzure> let's see some catalog numbers
16:16 < drazak> I will at some point
16:16 < drazak> tonight or tomorrow
16:17 < kanzure> another good start would be giving me the names of the catalogs
16:17 < drazak> probably from sigma aldritch
16:17 < drazak> sigma aldritch, invitrogen
16:17 < drazak> those are the main ones
16:18 < kanzure> yeah but those are companies not catalogs
16:18 < drazak> wtf do you mean catalog?
16:20 < kanzure> a catalog is what lists out what they have and the specs on what they have
16:20 < drazak> link me to a biosciences catalog then :)
16:22 < kanzure> wait i thought i was asking you?
16:24 < drazak> there aren't catalogs in bioscience
16:24 < kanzure> http://www.neurotechindustry.org/membership.html hah. $35k for a corporate membership. and there's this many? http://www.neurotechindustry.org/memberlist.html
16:24 < drazak> not that I've found
16:24 < kanzure> wtf
16:24 < drazak> my uncles lab of 20 people ordered from the website and the product numbers there
16:24 < drazak> we order from websites
16:24 < kanzure> well yeah
16:24 < kanzure> but that doesn't mean they don't have catalogs
16:24 < kanzure> i'm not talking about dead tree catalogs
16:24 < drazak> I haven't seen one yet
16:25 < drazak> I know
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16:26 < drazak> http://drazak.net/~drazak/tissue%20culture%20room%20equipment.ods incase you missed genehacker 
16:28 < kanzure> huh this gets interesting results: http://www.google.com/search?q="new+lab+start-up"
16:28 < kanzure> like: http://www.mandel.ca/literature/Lab_Start_Up.html
16:29 < kanzure> and this: http://www.jhu.edu/purchasing/jhuonly/checklist.html
16:30 < drazak> sigman aldritch gives 50% off on most lifesciences products for new labs
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17:42 < kanzure> heh: http://www.geocities.com/ptmcg/python/confs/adventureEngine.py
17:48 < wrldpc2> Brian, you still need that ride?  I'd need to get a bit more data (airline.)
17:49 < ybit> 23:58 < ybit> http://diybioforum.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ&oldid=186 :: pr0n spam!
17:49 < ybit> 23:59 < ybit> where are these schematics fo a bci kanzure, from cosmeng
17:50 < ybit> 11:22 < kanzure> i dunno if i suck at converting between currencies or what, but that's nearly $150k USD
17:50 < ybit> that is definitely called sucking at conversions ;P
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18:01 < kanzure> ybit: the schematics should be in the ~bbishop/docs/neuro/ folder
18:02 < kanzure> i used google convert
18:03 < ybit> good thing odt2txt exist or i'd have to install a 385mb package to read a 20k document
18:04 < kanzure> it's not worth it
18:04 < ybit> what isn't?
18:04 < ybit> the conversion went smoothly
18:04 < kanzure> drazak's document
18:04 < ybit> i see
18:05 < ybit> drazak: , iirc, kanzure has a document with this kind of stuff
18:05 < ybit> pcr_inventory or something i i forget
18:05 < ybit> (computer is slow just typing away without seeing it being displayed)
18:05 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/docs/BOMs/
18:05 < ybit> download the rest of dexter's lab
18:06 < kanzure> er
18:06 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/
18:06 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/pcr
18:06 < drazak> ybit: that's pcr, this is for a tissue culture room to be almost fully equipped
18:06 < drazak> I'm sure there's 2 or 3 things I'm forgetting
18:10 < kanzure> http://deadlyai.org/ "society for the promotion of universal nonexistence through malicious ai"
18:12 < drazak> aka skynet
18:37 < wrldpc2> Could someone relink the frequency spectrum allocation chart that was posted 4-6 days ago?
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18:47 < ybit> wrldpc2: links from past ~4 weeks http://pastebin.ca/1588560
18:48 < wrldpc2> ty
18:49 < ybit> np, now who remembers the site which i hope i pasted in here, it helps you find chemicals on teh interwebs
18:50 < kanzure> http://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.david.r.koepsell
18:50 < ybit> if i pasted it, it was sometime last year
18:52 < kanzure> http://quemot2.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/hello-world/
18:54 < ybit> interesting vid on superkuh's youpr0n channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQn4wNa1EEY&feature=sdig&et=1254113097.05
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19:02 < kanzure> poor siberia
19:03 < ybit> it seems the green trend kics in march 2004 :)
19:33 < kanzure> superkuh: "ted smith" is complaining that your server is down.
19:34 < superkuh> Oh. So it is.
19:34 < superkuh> One moment.
19:35 < kanzure> he also reminded me that i have a copy of my collections in korea on a fast connection:
19:35 < kanzure> http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/
19:37 < superkuh> Okay. Back up. I switched servers and forgot to switch the port forwarding.
19:45 < ybit> superkuh: he also reminded kanzure to tell you to tell ybit a site for obtaining chemicals
19:46  * ybit is watching himself give a talk, odd.
19:46 < superkuh> ybit: Do you mean a supplier or a list of suppliers?
19:46 < ybit> superkuh: either or
19:47 < ybit> the one i'm thinking let me select between organic or inorganic chemicals
19:47 < superkuh> http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/chemicals/
19:47 < ybit> then i could search the list and it would give me a link to companies which provided it
19:48 < ybit> arg! that be the one! wow, so it must have been you i shared it with? or maybe many people know of it
19:48 < ybit> anywho, thanks superkuh.
19:49 < superkuh> I've known of it for many years, since before it was a website and just existed on the sciencemaddness.org forums.
19:49 < ybit> it's kind of funny and sad watching me realize that half the people listening to me talk either aren't interested or don't have a clue wtf i'm talking about
19:50 < ybit> and i squirm /fidget a lot it seems
19:50  * ybit quits tweeting about himself
19:54 < ybit> oh, right, thanks superkuh x10, haven't been able to find that link in the logs (mostly because i'm still looking for the password for the main encrypted log file :P
20:19 < ybit> has anyone went through http://grinding.be/ ..is it worth my time to sort through it at some point?
20:20 < wrldpc2> Why don't we do AI?
20:20 < wrldpc2> Barring the definitional obstacle of intelligence.
20:21 < wrldpc2> nvm
20:21 < katsmeow-afk> what if you used your own definition of intelligence,, and what would that be?
20:21 < wrldpc2> I'd like to know what Bryan's definition is.
20:29 < wrldpc2> gmaps won't let me streetview through to la guardia.
20:30 < wrldpc2> it's wonky.
20:41 < kanzure> my definition is that it's bullshit
20:41 < kanzure> thanks for asking
20:41 < kanzure> hm have you been?
20:50 < wrldpc2> to la guardia?
20:50 < kanzure> yeah
20:50 < wrldpc2> no.
20:51 < kanzure> alright then
21:09 < kanzure> thanks for volunteering
21:10 < kanzure> i threw this together for the profile page they wanted: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/BryanBishop.html
21:10 < kanzure> when i first saw pgp i thought they wanted my public key
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21:21 < kanzure> hello Phreedom_ 
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21:27 < ybit> hmm
21:27 < ybit> http://www.synbio.org.uk/hardware/diy-lab-equipment.html
21:28 < kanzure> wow all of those suck
21:28 < kanzure> except the magnetic stirrer
21:29 < ybit> yeah yeah
21:29 < ybit> they are also ~1.5 years old
21:30 < fenn> wrldpc2: dunno if anyone replied.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_allocation
21:45 < ybit> the future hackerspace/lab place here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Choghazanbil2.jpg
21:45 < ybit> not really, but it is made out of mud :)
21:49 < fenn> are you going to pull a marcin and make your own bricks?
21:52 < ybit> considering it, right now, i'm gathering the costs of different building methods
22:01 < ybit> http://small-scale.net/yearofmud/2009/08/21/you-can-build-this-cob-house-for-3000/
22:01 < ybit> for just $3k! o.O
22:02 < ybit> that's awfully small to be spending 3k on
22:02  * ybit wonders how much it would cost to use the wood on the property
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22:36 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: you know of any state regulations of putting in your own plumbing, electricity, etc.?
22:36 < kanzure> there's regulations for shops apparently
22:42 < ybit> http://www.byohouse.com.au/projects/cost.htm 
23:10 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: you can shed some light on this, what kind of cost am i looking at for just a ~5k sq ft building?
23:11  * ybit should call http://www.clearspan.com/fabric/structures/home tomorrow
23:20 < ybit> i'm guesstimating $300k for just 3000sq ft
23:21 < ybit> er, $250k for 4000sqft.
23:36 < ybit> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070716202952AAsgDrY the answer chosen is a 12k sq ft arena built for 40k, not including labor (which is free here)
23:36 < ybit> how did they spend 20k to do most of the labor themselves...
23:39 < ybit> tweet tweet tweet
23:39  * ybit tweets himself to bed
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