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00:04 < ybit> genehacker: yes, get keebler to make it out will ya?
00:05 < genehacker> yup, exactly what I want to do
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01:20 < fenn> so nobody has any fm2030 books?
01:21 < fenn> there sure is a lot of chatter _about_ him but very little actual content online
01:30 < genehacker> the frozen dude?
01:31 < genehacker> according to wikipedia some of his books are now in ebook form
01:32 < genehacker> http://openlibrary.org/b/OL13585005M/Telespheres
01:35 < fenn> ah i'm a fool.. they list all his works as "esfandiary"
01:37 < fenn> hm weird. "There is a problem with your library record. Please see a librarian."
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02:19 < wrldpc2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmLxjMQdHE
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10:07 < fenn> don't ask me
10:11 < kanzure> transcript from ed boyden's talk: http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/msg/aaf0a01a3360008a
10:26 < kanzure> http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0408104 Title: On a group-theoretical approach to the periodic table of chemical elements
10:36 < kanzure> it turns out that jonathan cline is already well known among the transhumanism community
10:36 < kanzure> james clement, for instance, knew him pretty well
10:36 < fenn> o rly
10:37 < kanzure> yeah he's more into the SENS sector
10:45 < kanzure> ok how about fabuntu?
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11:32 < kanzure> fabuntu it is
11:36 < fenn> fabuntu is the name of your company?
11:36 < kanzure> why nto?
11:36 < kanzure> not
11:36 < fenn> um.. well.. do you even know what ubuntu means?
11:36 < kanzure> from humanity to something
11:36 < fenn> ... right
11:37 < kanzure> " A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.
11:37 < kanzure> "
11:37 < kanzure> "Ubuntu speaks particularly about the fact that you can't exist as a human being in isolation. It speaks about our interconnectedness. You can't be human all by yourself, and when you have this quality - Ubuntu - you are known for your generosity."
11:37 < fenn> you've proven that you can copypaste
11:38 < kanzure> yay
11:40 < fenn> i think it's a bad name
11:40 < fenn> at least for what you are trying to do
11:41 < kanzure> even canonical sells support for ubuntu
11:44 < fenn> you are not canonical though
11:45 < kanzure> i'm not Canonical enough or not canonical (the word) enough?
11:45 < fenn> though ~= enough
11:45 < kanzure> er, right
11:46 < fenn> i'm having one of those moments where every word looks like it's spelled wrong
11:47 < kanzure> http://www.canonical.com/aboutus
11:47 < kanzure> (i've actually never investigated canonical)
11:51 < kanzure> http://www.humanityplus.org/read/2009/10/2009-h-summit/
12:13 < kanzure> that's being organized by alex. don't know if i'm speaking there or not yet
12:14 < genehacker> fabuntu sounds cool
12:14 < genehacker> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=fabuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
12:14 < genehacker> but it looks like it's taken
12:16 < kanzure> not really
12:16 < kanzure> it has kind of fizzled out
12:16 < genehacker> sounds a little ripoffy if you ask me
12:16 < genehacker> but it's a cool name
12:17 < genehacker> oh wait most people don't know about ubuntu
12:21 < kanzure> fab-oon-too
12:22 < kanzure> or is it fab-oont-oo?
12:26 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
12:26 < genehacker> how about naming it after those chinese copycat barons?
12:28 < kanzure> maybe another name
12:29 < genehacker> U-FAB
12:30 < genehacker> I would say U-fabit but that doesn't sound right
12:30 < kanzure> no
12:30 < kanzure> a uniquely googleable name
12:30 < fenn> we-fabit
12:31 < kanzure> fabacula
12:31 < genehacker> ufabit
12:31 < genehacker> taken nvm
12:31 < kanzure> fabacola?
12:31 < fenn> isn't there some program to do this for you?
12:31 < genehacker> fabman
12:33 < fenn> http://ygingras.net/yould
12:33 < fenn> that wasn't what i was thinking, but meh
12:33 < fenn> it just makes awful RPG-ish names
12:34 < genehacker> perhaps we could do something similar
12:34 < kanzure> thingybit
12:34 < fenn> that's the first not totally awful name yet
12:34 < genehacker> take a whole bunch of combining forms that denote stuff and fabrication and randomely put them together until we get something good
12:34 < kanzure> god we suck
12:35 < kanzure> web 2.0 name generator http://www.dotomator.com/web20.html
12:35 < genehacker> perhaps we could eliminate the ones that sound bad by taking into account vocal energy(IE how hard it is to pronounce a word, there are ways to calculate this, languages strive to minimize it)
12:36 < genehacker> talium?
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12:37 < kanzure> fabspan?
12:38 < katsmeow-afk> fabulous?
12:38 < genehacker> faberrific!
12:38 < fenn> i'm about to put you all on ignore
12:39 < fenn> genehacker: do you remember about a year ago we had a bunch of names that i said it would be a good idea to write down somewhere?
12:39 < katsmeow-afk> makeiter
12:39 < genehacker> how long ago was that
12:39 < genehacker> and do you remember anything you said
12:39 < kanzure> ok i found it
12:39 < fenn> how?
12:39 < genehacker> dang I think we had a good one too
12:40 < genehacker> so what'd you find?
12:40 < fenn> anchor plz
12:40 < fenn> so much for saving to a file.. sheesh
12:41 < katsmeow-afk> drat, not only is makeiter a word, so is makeiterator
12:41 < genehacker> I think I did save it
12:42 < fenn> makeuniq
12:42 < kanzure> fenn: i have logs on different machines
12:42 < kanzure> fenn: the keyword is "autofac"
12:42 < fenn> well i dont have it then
12:43 < genehacker> autofac
12:43 < genehacker> oh yeah
12:43 < genehacker> that is the keyword
12:43 < genehacker> well I'm going to lunch
12:43 < fenn> that is a short story by philip k dick
12:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/domain_ideas.txt
12:43 < katsmeow-afk> sounds car oriented
12:44 < genehacker> the autofac is also something from orions arm
12:44 < fenn> i'm sure they were referencing the story
12:44 < genehacker> go read orions arm on backyarders
12:49 < fenn> if you have fabvi you have to have diyemacs
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13:28 < genehacker> you guys figure it out yet?
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14:25 < kanzure> no
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15:12 < kanzure> fabracadabra
15:14 < wrldpc2> W00T!!
15:14 < wrldpc2> pwned
15:15 < kanzure> ?
15:17 < kanzure> hey did anyone see this? http://www.fabbaloo.com/2009/09/wanna-git-skdbing.html
15:17 < bkero> A blog article on skdb?
15:18 < kanzure> looks like it
15:18 < bkero> Fancy stuff
15:18 < bkero> gg on publicity
15:18 < kanzure> but i didn't do it
15:23 < kanzure> "fabget" could be used i guess
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15:51 < kanzure> openfab?
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16:30 < ybit> one day, skdb.freefab.org will exist
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17:08 < kanzure> i now officially hate the three letters 'f', 'a' and 'b' in consecutive order
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17:33 < drazak> diyfab.org
17:33 < kanzure> what a terrible name
17:33 < kanzure> i don't think "diy" should be in the name
17:44 < ybit> diy, fab, so cliche, and yet each domain in possession has those characters. guess the reason to grab them is because it's what immediately comes to people's mind
17:44 * ybit was prescribed retalin, wonder how that will work out
17:44 < ybit> ritalin*
17:45 < kanzure> are you on ritalin right now?
17:45 < ybit> not yet, got the prescritpion today
17:46 * ybit doesn't understand why the adrafanil worked the first day, but after getting little sleep consecutively for so many days, its effect was never the same
17:46 < ybit> i even took over 1kmg one day, it just gave me a minor headache
17:53 * katsmeow-afk notes the same effect
17:53 < katsmeow-afk> on lesser doses
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18:07 < drazak> ybit: a what? kilomilligram? you mena a gram?
18:08 < drazak> learn fucking metric prefixes
18:08 < ybit> 1 thousand milligrams
18:08 < ybit> :P
18:08 < drazak> 1 gram moron
18:09 < ybit> uhuh
18:09 < ybit> for modafinil, the recommended dosage is 300 - 600 mg/day, for adrafanil it's the same
18:10 < ybit> well, 600 mg to 1200
18:11 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: did you try adarafanil or modafinil?
18:12 < ybit> grr, excuse grammar
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18:48 < genehacker> The radioisotope battery can provide power density that is six orders of magnitude higher than chemical batteries.
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19:08 < bkero> Is it rechargable and cheap? ;)
19:34 < kanzure> how about
19:34 < kanzure> "mechautomate"?
19:35 < kanzure> i think i choked while pronouncing it
19:37 < ybit> what about pybiomechautomate? ;)
19:39 < ybit> or pyautomatebiomech or pamba for short
19:40 < katsmeow-afk> pybiomechfabautodyimate?
19:40 < ybit> hehe
19:40 < ybit> or just skdbus
19:41 < katsmeow-afk> adrafinal, 300mg por un comprime` , it does help alertness, and 7-keto dhea gave energy, but the energy was shortlives, and i wonder if the boost in accuity now is trading it against the long term
19:42 < katsmeow-afk> pimabuite
19:44 < ybit> ssma "sudo make me a..."
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19:45 < ybit> skdbuilders
19:45 < ybit> skdbmake
19:48 < katsmeow-afk> Makers-R-Us
19:50 < ybit> ffuck, or flying ferrets utilize computers knowledgeably
19:51 < katsmeow-afk> lol
19:51 * ybit has always wanted a company to be called 'go fuck yourself'
19:55 < ybit> ah, the wonders of nnimap. what mua do you all use?
19:55 * ybit thinks he has asked this once
19:55 < ybit> fenn, i know you're a pine nut
19:55 < drazak> mua? make up artist?
19:56 < ybit> mail user agent
19:56 < ybit> ya know, gnus, mutt, pine and alpine, unix mail, etc.
19:57 < drazak> aye
19:59 < ybit> cron + mua of choice is helpful if you aren't aware of it
19:59 < drazak> in another channel I'm in uses muas for make up artists
19:59 < drazak> it's a photography channel
20:00 < ybit> ##photography?
20:00 < ybit> er, i mean #photogeeks?
20:00 < drazak> aye
20:00 < ybit> i'm in there as well :P
20:00 < drazak> do you know where I can find translations for ecce romani II?
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20:01 < ybit> not a clue, have you tried google eecce romani (II|2) +(torrent|ebook|pdf|rar|zip) ?
20:02 < drazak> I'm googling it
20:02 < ybit> s/google/googling
20:02 < drazak> not finding much
20:03 < ybit> p2p file sharing clients, usenet, or emailing and PMing people who may have it
20:04 < ybit> and lastly to the library and scanning it yourself
20:04 < ybit> or whatever it is
20:04 < drazak> I have the textbook
20:04 < drazak> I wnat the translations
20:07 < kanzure> mechanii?
20:08 < drazak> what?
20:13 < ybit> ooh, a latin twist on the name, i almost like if the implications of a dead language weren't tagged to it
20:16 < ybit> it almost sounds japanese just because of the Wii
20:17 < ybit> and when you think japanese, you have to think futuristic tech or perverted grown men, either way it's kind of intriguing
20:20 < ybit> ..in a weird oriental way
20:20 * ybit finally got gnus working on this debian machine
20:21 < ybit> what nntp server do you ladies and gentlemen use?
20:24 < ybit> guess it doesn't matter
20:25 < ybit> it wasn't gnus having problems, it was my imap server syncing properly
20:25 < ybit> servers*
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20:42 < ybit> so i'm a little behind, but i did find it: http://www.newzbot.com/
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22:12 < genehacker> what are you looking for?
22:47 < ybit> genehacker: more newsgroups with decent content
22:47 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: how much are you estimating to build your houseboat?
22:48 < genehacker> oh nvm
22:50 < katsmeow-afk> it's not classified as a houseboat, it's classified as a trimaran yacht
22:50 < katsmeow-afk> houseboats have a bathtub hull
22:51 * ybit was looking at prices of yachts, it seems quite expensive
22:52 < katsmeow-afk> very
22:52 < ybit> oh, genehacker, drazak was looking for a translation of eecce romani 2
22:52 < ybit> for a damn cheap yacht...
22:52 < ybit> 22:41 ~$8k starting off
22:52 < ybit> 22:41 then you have to install solar ~$13k
22:52 < ybit> 22:41 and you need to redo the broken down yacht ~15k^
22:53 < ybit> my terribly inadequate estimate
22:53 < katsmeow-afk> 15K is all? new engine, drive, prop, rudder willc ost you that much
22:53 < ybit> i was waiting for you to correct my figures :)
22:54 < katsmeow-afk> it's not all in materials, half the cost is it sittin on someone's land while you do the out-of-water stuff, and some sites charge $2k to take the boat out, and then $2k to putit back in
22:54 < ybit> that's another problem i ran across, marina fees
22:55 < katsmeow-afk> $13k for solar is 2kw pointed directly to full noon sun , less if you buy more efficent panels to fit them all on the boat at once
22:55 < ybit> rvboatlife mentioned some site in N.C. where you could stay two nights
22:56 < katsmeow-afk> marina fees to live quietly, no boat overhauling, is $350+
22:56 < ybit> ..for free, and i'm sure there's others
22:56 * ybit knows nothing about boating
22:57 < katsmeow-afk> Fla has state parks with docks, you can tie up for the cost of camping for 30 days per park per year, and there's 13 parks on the Gulf/Atl
22:57 < katsmeow-afk> and some inland
22:57 < ybit> what price?
22:57 < katsmeow-afk> afaik, you can legally drop anchor in nooks and crannies off the ICW, over nite, but expect the cops to drop in unexpectedly
22:58 < katsmeow-afk> $2 - $5 / nite, iirc
22:58 < katsmeow-afk> you get to use a campsite if there are some free, and washing/restroom facilities on land
22:59 < katsmeow-afk> beware, some sites are under-docked, and people have been known to triple park their boats (crawling over yours to get toland)
23:00 < katsmeow-afk> also, for liveaboards, some Fla land communitied have been trying to outlaw dropping anchor in the ICW overnite, but their efforts have been overturned in court
23:00 < katsmeow-afk> there were a lot of marinas for liveaboards, but no new ones have been approved on 20 yrs, some old marinas still exist
23:01 < katsmeow-afk> you can expect boarding by cops to inspect the boat for everything
23:01 < katsmeow-afk> you better have land-based paperwork too, showing a permananent land-based residence
23:02 < katsmeow-afk> if you go out of 200 miles EEZ, and return, they will jail you for indeterminate time (months) if you do not have passport on you
23:03 < katsmeow-afk> many marinas have some form of ethernet
23:04 < katsmeow-afk> once marina that looked interesting in Boston had pilings in their harbor with power, water, wired internet, for $300/mo, and pumpout boats came to you when you called
23:04 < ybit> this is good info katsmeow-afk, keep it coming please :)
23:04 < katsmeow-afk> newpapers and mail couldbe delivered
23:05 < katsmeow-afk> some marinas have a water taxi, so you don't need to put your dinghy in the water and worry about where to tie up to go get a pizza
23:05 < katsmeow-afk> some have mailboxes, and at least a few will open and fax your mail to you
23:07 < katsmeow-afk> land bases satinternet is cehapcompared to boat-basedsatinternet, because of the dynamic pointing requirements and saltwater intrusion problems, expect to pay $k's more for boat-based
23:08 < katsmeow-afk> 50ft seems to be a general length break point for marinas for dock tieups
23:08 < katsmeow-afk> hauling out a 50ft boat is expensive, most sites cannot haul a cat or tri out for any amount of money
23:09 < katsmeow-afk> most marinas are shallow, if you have a sailer, it better have a retractable centerbd
23:09 < katsmeow-afk> most marinas want liability insurance, some will not allow docking of a hull that overhangs or juts under a dock
23:11 < katsmeow-afk> many have 2 forms of power: 20a@120vac, or 50a@240vac , you pay for which you want, price per kw is individual per marina, most are unmetered
23:11 < katsmeow-afk> if they see you liveabd and have an ac, expect to pay a lot
23:12 < katsmeow-afk> you do not want to swim in a marina, the water will be fouled with anti-algae boat paints and prolly sewage
23:13 < katsmeow-afk> some marinas are first-come, most charge reasonable for months, double for day rates, and a month off for a yr paid in advance, no refunds
23:14 < katsmeow-afk> keeping up with wildlife protected areas will be a serious pita, all of SE Alaska coast became federally protected sea otter habitat today, no idea what that means for small boaters
23:15 < katsmeow-afk> if a cop plane ovreflies you in the everglades area, and sees you kicking up silt with the prop, they WILL send a boat for you and WILL take your boat from you
23:16 < katsmeow-afk> if you anchor in coral *anywhere* in usa waters, expect to lose your boat
23:16 < katsmeow-afk> there are two protected coral banks south of the Ms/Lo line way out in the Gulf
23:17 < katsmeow-afk> the *entire* keys from Miami almost to Tampa is in multiple overlapping protections
23:18 < katsmeow-afk> if you are in the ICW with a sailer, be prepared to demast to clear inoperative lift/swing bridges
23:19 < katsmeow-afk> if you think you see a huge area of clear water you can sail across for any reason, doesn't mean you can, it may be military training ground,, err, water
23:20 < katsmeow-afk> there's numerous munitions dumping grounds off Fla, and btw it's illegal to be on the water with out CG charts of the water and bottom
23:20 < katsmeow-afk> you drop anchor on a bomb and it detonates, it's your fault
23:22 < ybit> almost certain to have some questions for you tomorrow, thank you very much for the info katsmeow-afk
23:22 < ybit> time to call it a night here
23:22 < katsmeow-afk> Lake George in Fla has a nice state park on it's entire west side,, the lake was also training grounds for aerial torpedo and bomb dropping
23:22 < katsmeow-afk> during WW1 and 2
23:23 < katsmeow-afk> in between and after
23:24 * katsmeow-afk waves gnites to ybit
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23:25 < katsmeow-afk> most bays, estuaries, etc can be deceptive in : currents, depth, tide flows
23:26 < katsmeow-afk> most have wrecks, these wrecks may cost you an anchor when it get tangled
23:28 < katsmeow-afk> in related new, LosAngles will be dredging it's bay and depositing 400,000cu yds of fill on a 3 mile long swath to cap over 130 tons of ddt off the coast there, expected operations 2010-2012
23:29 < katsmeow-afk> re: right of way of sailing boats: does not apply to comemrcial boats avoiding you on the oceans/gulf or in dredged areas, they may cut your boat in two, or swamp you with 20ft waves, and do not haveto throw you a life vest
23:30 < katsmeow-afk> and it's generally illegal as hell to anchor anywhere on the mississippi shores now, due to mesh retaining mats being hauled up with anchors
23:32 < katsmeow-afk> many smaller rivers, beware of barge "trains", they geenrally park along the shore at dark, they will not see your small boat, will not call out on the radio,
23:32 < katsmeow-afk> and have more than enough tonnage to mash you into the river bottom permanenetly
23:32 < katsmeow-afk> it's happened
23:33 < katsmeow-afk> it's up to you, whereever you are, to park where you are not an obstruction to anyone else
23:33 < katsmeow-afk> or they may park on you
23:34 < katsmeow-afk> the Atl is a bigplace, the area from Bahamas to Mediterranean is often used as military training grounds
23:35 < katsmeow-afk> do not expect emergency signalling equipment to work, especially the kind that automagically transmistts when it gets wet
23:36 < katsmeow-afk> it may still work, but transmit it's burp while underwater, and do so only once, despite the blinky lites
23:36 < katsmeow-afk> thee's 2 bands of emergency alerts, one is being phased out 08/09
23:36 < katsmeow-afk> don't buy a cheap alert system for a band no one is monitoring
23:39 < katsmeow-afk> anything on a tower, mast, flying bridge, may be fried by lightning, keep handheld stuff clear of the permanently mounted electronics stuff
23:39 < katsmeow-afk> if you do not have a radar reflector, it's your fault for getting yourself run over
23:40 < katsmeow-afk> military ships arenot required to avoid you
23:40 < katsmeow-afk> i have video where they don't even avoid themselves
23:41 < katsmeow-afk> technically, there should be someone at all times scanning the horizon, meaning awake at the throttle to get out of someone else's way
23:41 < katsmeow-afk> some boats do a min awake, 10 min sleeping, i hear it's rough
23:42 < katsmeow-afk> it is not rare to snag a submarine in a net, and they will keep going and likely pull you under
23:44 < katsmeow-afk> no matter why you are fishing, there's strictly enforced catch rules, know what fish you just caught and if yo can keep it at the time of catch, and have fishing permits for that location
23:45 < katsmeow-afk> basically: CYA and scour the internet and CG stations for rules, you will be small fry and easy to put in jail
23:46 < katsmeow-afk> have 2 sat positioning systems, they better agree if you have any question about where you are
23:47 < katsmeow-afk> some countries that may accept you with open arms last yr, may not this yr
23:47 < katsmeow-afk> if you goto another country, clear customs, have radio gear for that place
23:48 < katsmeow-afk> there's flotillas of private boats in some places, like from Fla (Jax, Miami, etc) to Bahamas , because of pirate attacks
23:49 < katsmeow-afk> you hit bottom , in some places, in some countries (Bahamas, Bermuda, etc), you goto jail