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02:00 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, weather coming to you soon
02:31 < genehacker> error
02:33 < katsmeow-afk> Product quality of our company steady noise low air blower have wind amount heavy.
02:44 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_%28soft_drink%29
02:44 < genehacker> name generation problem solved
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07:41 < drazak> ah yes
07:41 < drazak> ELISA here I come
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08:52 < kanzure> meeting with ms. atacama at 2 pm today
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09:03 < kanzure> hello Trooem 
09:03 < Trooem> wow hey
09:03 < Trooem> that was fast
09:03 < Trooem> or is this somekind of autoscript
09:04 < Trooem> ...
09:04 < kanzure> no, it's me
09:04 < Trooem> oh nevermind
09:04 < kanzure> however some people suspect that i might be entirely made up of an autoscript
09:04 < Trooem> so i saw your facebook profile
09:04 < kanzure> sorry
09:04 < kanzure> it's just a bunch of crap
09:04 < Trooem> you're a big guy
09:04 < Trooem> im intimidated lol
09:05 < Trooem> sorry imon my umpc, writing on a foldable keybaord it sucks
09:05 < kanzure> umpc?
09:05 < Trooem> hehehe
09:05 < Trooem> ultra mobile micro pc type of thing
09:05 < kanzure> my fingers are too big for those
09:05 < Trooem> sony ux series
09:05 < Trooem> haha yeah you a big guy
09:06 < Trooem> i'm the little marketing asian dude so how is that gonna work for a partnership
09:06 < Trooem> lol
09:06 < Trooem> im devising plans at the moment
09:06 < Trooem> to get started earlier
09:07 < Trooem> without risking yours or my head
09:07 < Trooem> oh yeah i shouldn;'t talk on irc
09:07 < Trooem> about it
09:07 < Trooem> lol
09:07 < kanzure> you get to be the ninja, remember?
09:07 < Trooem> nevermind
09:07 < Trooem> haha i guess so
09:07 < Trooem> LOL
09:08 < Trooem> you can be the giant minotaur with the battle axe
09:08 < Trooem> and super intelligence LOL
09:08 < Trooem> i'll be the discreet illegal one err
09:08 < Trooem> with ninja stars
09:09 < Trooem> hehhe
09:10 < Trooem> i shall send you a email shortly,,...
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09:22 < Trooem> gtg get some sleep bbl
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09:35 < kanzure> he likes to talk
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10:14 < drazak> mmm elisa and pcr
10:14 < drazak> AT THE SAME TIME BITCHES
10:14 < drazak> I forgot how much I can get done if I spend a whole day at the lab
10:15 < drazak> I can run the gel for the pcr today, perfect
10:15 < genehacker> damn
10:15 < genehacker> that's productive
10:15 < drazak> and I can go out to lunch while my elisa incubates and my pcr runs
10:15 < drazak> :D
10:34 < kanzure> twiddling your thumbs while the pcr runs isn't what i call being productive :)
10:35 < ybit> any67878480: madison is about one hour east of me, right beside huntsville. i must have slept through the storm.
10:37  * ybit is off work today for columbus day :P
10:38 < ybit> think the bosses were taking off to do something today, so they needed me to. you know it's not very important if google doesn't change their logo :)
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10:40 < ybit> what do you guys do away from the computer? do you allot some time for play?
10:41 < fenn> no. fun is prohibited
10:42 < ybit> hehe, seriously, i feel like i'm unproductive by just sitting at the computer 24hr/day, my mind starts to wonder and i lose motivation to do what it is that i started out to do
10:43 < ybit> so i thought that maybe splitting my day into chunks would help, 3hrs of productive work, 1.5 hours of playtime away from the computer, repeat 3x
10:43 < fenn> does anyone else find it ironic that they only broadcast "sunrise earth" around dawn localtime
10:43 < kanzure> no we just find it sad
10:44 < fenn> ybit: try tai chi
10:45 < ybit> fenn, thanks for the reminder, i forgot to look that up. some guy @ a hackerspace was mentioning that to me. very interesting guy who graduated from g.tech a long time ago studying a.i. and worked at nasa ames
10:45 < ybit> he was also big into chinese medicine
10:46 < ybit> fenn: but what do you do?
10:46 < ybit> also, some guy gave me an email address to some transhumanist girl in washington or maybe it was oregon, i should probably email her and get her in here 
10:49 < ybit> bkero, drazak, kanzure, what about you guys?
10:54 < ybit> drawing on his 35 years of training in qigong and his western scientific background as a physics professor and PhD in ME...
10:54 < ybit> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7268914786991911921#
10:54 < ybit> spiritual enlightment..well that just ruined it
10:56 < fenn> ybit: cry myself to sleep, mostly
10:57 < fenn> qigong is all about spiritual crap
10:57 < fenn> tai chi is strictly practical, unless you're american
10:57 < kanzure> ybit: s/wonder/wander/ ?
10:58 < fenn> ybit: also it's quite possible you have an unproductive environment.. TV going, people interrupting or even just in the same room can be distracting
10:59 < fenn> or IRC that blinks at you whenever some idiot says something
10:59 < kanzure> i feel like i'm tripping over myself when writing code with django
10:59 < kanzure> django is not pythonic, i'm sorry
10:59 < fenn> anyway computers are time sinks, so you probably are wasting your life if you try to use them meaningfully
11:00 < fenn> django sucks
11:00 < kanzure> i have all these hacks
11:00 < kanzure> what are these people thinking though?
11:00 < kanzure> there's so much hype around this
11:00 < fenn> what are you thinking? why are you using it?
11:00 < kanzure> if i wanted to hack together spaghetti code, i could just spit out bullshit php
11:00 < kanzure> i'm using it because people have recommended it to me i guess
11:00 < fenn> how about something like cherrypy
11:01 < kanzure> what happened to pyjs and pyjamas-desktop?
11:01 < fenn> thats just for fancy UI desktop metaphor bullshit
11:01 < fenn> making HTML is altogether different endeavor
11:01 < fenn> (imho)
11:02 < kanzure> i looked at it the other day and it wasn't what i expected
11:02 < kanzure> i thoguht it had some way to generate gtk guis from something, and then generate html from that same something
11:02 < fenn> it's basically python bindings to google web toolkit
11:02 < kanzure> *thought
11:02 < fenn> and it's really slow, which i guess doesn't matter really
11:16 < ybit> i'd always thought that if i were to use a python web app framework, i'd go with pylons.
11:16 < ybit> fenn: crying yourself to sleep doesn't sound like a fun activity :P
11:17 < ybit> i don't have blinking lights or beeps on this computer, i get to highlighted messages when i feel like it
11:18 < ybit> +for IRC
11:33 < drazak> kanzure: I wasn't really twidling my thumbs, I did some of the ELISA and then ate lunch
11:33 < drazak> both are noble causes
11:38 < ybit> more suggestions for acitivities which help to refresh the mind?
11:39 < ybit> i don't advocate it, nor do i plan on doing either, but the day after being high or spending the entire day gaming, you feel like such as waste of humanity, the next day you (or at least i) spend the entire day being productive
11:40 < fenn> don't take it for granted
11:41 < fenn> i can go weeks without doing anything productive :P
11:41 < drazak> I can't go more than a few hours without doing something productive
11:43 < bkero> ybit: sure
11:43 < ybit> bkero: go on..
11:54 < bkero> ybit: Invite her in here?
12:06 < ybit> :P
12:06 < ybit> i thought you were about to comment on 10:49 < ybit> bkero, drazak, kanzure, what about you guys?
12:06 < drazak> what was all that about
12:06 < drazak> I missed the question
12:07 < drazak> :D
12:07 < ybit> 10:40 < ybit> what do you guys do away from the computer? do you allot some time for play?
12:07 < ybit> 10:42 < ybit> hehe, seriously, i feel like i'm unproductive by just sitting at the computer 24hr/day, my mind starts to wonder and i lose motivation to do what it is  that i started out to do
12:07 < ybit> 10:43 < ybit> so i thought that maybe splitting my day into chunks would help, 3hrs of productive work, 1.5 hours of playtime away from the computer, repeat 3x
12:08 < drazak> I dunno man
12:08 < drazak> I just do whatever crap I have to do whenever I have to do it
12:08 < drazak> I set timers
12:08 < drazak> "need t4o change antibodies in an hour"
12:10 < ybit> i think the problem here is that i'm not seeing progress. i probably should use org-mode more thoroughly to chart out my progress. right now, i'm disappointed in that i don't see many projects being completed. 
12:10 < drazak> dude
12:10 < drazak> I don't even know what projects I'm working on
12:10 < drazak> I come in and every time dr. lee changes his mind
12:11 < ybit> when i mention productivity, i'm referring to coding, designing, experimentation, and reading/acquiring knowledge 
12:11 < drazak> "lets work on x" next week "lets work on y" the week after "I wanted to look at Z" the week after "lets loook at X again"
12:12 < kanzure> goalism is over rated
12:15 < ybit> but i suppose there are more ways to be productive, that's all i'm listing atm.
12:16 < ybit> drazak: i suppoe what you are saying is you just do and don't think too much into how productive you are
12:16 < ybit> kanzure: and you are saying that becoming too goal orientied can waste in itself, aka meta-rot
12:16 < ybit> be wasteful*
12:16 < fenn> <- goalie
12:17 < fenn> i was the star of my soccer team in first grade
12:17 < drazak> if you have like 6 goals that you work on relatively simultaneously then you're nmot being wasteful
12:17 < kanzure> don't goalies *stop* goals from being achieved?
12:18 < fenn> kanzure: why do you have to be so negative!!!
12:18 < kanzure> maybe you were a bad player
12:18 < ybit> he was the star for the other teams ;)
12:18 < fenn> it's true... i made it all up
12:19 < fenn> those bastards never kept any records.. how am i supposed to brag about my accomplishments if they won't even publish my victory?
12:19 < ybit> they published my stats online and then deleted them
12:20  * ybit had one of the top 5 batting average in the southeast junior olympic league at one point :P
12:20 < ybit> yay! i can brag now and look idiotic, w00t
12:23 < ybit> more braggin? okay. i had a baseball scholarship and lost it because i was showing off my dunking skills and ruptured a disk in the lower back region, probably the best thing that ever happened to me
12:24 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/album_0093.jpg  see see i'm a real human, honest
12:25 < ybit> ..because i realized i wouldn't be playing sports and started pursuing my other passions: science.. read all i could and got up to speed on a lot of stuff those months while lying in bed, it helped that the local library would bring me books whenever i needed them (was a ref. librarian at the time of killing my back)
12:25 < ybit> hehe
12:25 < ybit> your pads are on backwards :P
12:25 < ybit> were you in the 'special' league ;)
12:26  * ybit also played soccer growing up
12:27 < kanzure> we all played soccer?
12:27 < ybit> it doesn't matter, but at that age, you should be playing with a size 3 ball
12:27 < kanzure> .. why?
12:27 < ybit> parents pushed for it
12:27  * ybit guesses
12:27 < fenn> because they didnt do kickball in little league?
12:29 < fenn> i think i started playing soccer with the international grad students from the chemistry department
12:29 < fenn> postdocs and stuff, at summer barbecue
12:31 < ybit> i remember mentioning some really cool science projects to my parents several times and each time i was told "oh that's nice, shouldn't you be outside playing some ball" no lie. 
12:32 < ybit> wanted to build a hoverboard once when i was ~7 and my grandfather just lied to me instead of explaining to me that he didn't know.. i eventually figured it out and wanted to plug a small motor to the skateboard, and they wouldn't go with it. 
12:32 < ybit> but you can't blame the parents for everything, i could have found interests in other things i suppose, which i did: videogames > computers > programming
12:34  * ybit did have a chem set growing up, and a basic electronics kit as well. so it all wasn't put to waste, just not very efficient
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12:42 < CIA-23> djangit: kanzure master * r6f47ad1 / docs/architecture : urlconf resolution plan (next: write unit tests for urls) - http://bit.ly/TvGjT
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14:32 < drazak> kanzure: you must not read many diybio threads, I feel that most of the people on diybio are stupid enought o use those sorts of interfaces
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14:39 < ybit> kanzure's presenting a better way of doing thing things imho, though it simply is just an alternative to what you recommended drazak. there are over 900 people on the list, i'm sure some will prefer your method drazak
14:40 < drazak> I'm not saying to nto add the functionality to add programs and all that
14:40 < kanzure> http://www.moonsociety.org/moonbasesim/moonbase_analogs_net.html
14:40 < drazak> I'm saying that her idea of making ti select different running variables based on the primers is retarded
14:41 < kanzure> "A Team of Advisers, including from the Moon Society, is assisting the Air Force in Chile in designing a modular analog research team to simulate activities on both Moon and Mars in the Atacama desert near the growing complex of world-class observatories there. This collaboration has been arranged by TATA, The Astronaut Teacher Alliance based in San Diego, already involved in planning outreach for the new Inca del Sol Observatory.
14:41 < kanzure> The command module will be the wingless fuselage of a surplus Hercules C130B cargo plane. Additional modules may be soil-shielded Quonset huts (simulating buried cylinders). The design is in flux, but they have a firm target date for initial deployment of March 2010. "
14:41 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/moonmars
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14:42 < ybit> kanzure: you never went on to explain your work with the atacama desert colonization project
14:42 < kanzure> "the design is in flux"?
14:42 < kanzure> ybit: i can do better than that.. i have all of my logs from all of my chats on that project over the span of 3 years
14:43 < drazak> ...
14:43 < drazak> crazyness
14:43 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/chats/chats/agaboogamonger_Mar5th02005.html
14:43 < kanzure> but don't bother reading it, it's really not that good
14:43 < kanzure> anyway the plan was to go to the atacama and rebuild most of civilization from scratch
14:44 < kanzure> it was part of a philosophy (calxism) that roughly translates as "goalism"
14:45 < kanzure> so i and two others (sean, kurt) werew orking on this full time for a while
14:48 < drazak> what is atacama
14:48 < kanzure> a desert in chile
14:48 < genehacker> did you plan on building compressed air dome cities
14:48 < kanzure> no
14:48 < genehacker> the driest place on earth drazak
14:48 < genehacker> supposedly even bacteria have trouble living there
14:49 < drazak> lovely
14:49 < drazak> definitely the place I want to live
14:49  * drazak eyerolls
14:49 < genehacker> the spice must flow
14:50 < kanzure> so we were planning the whole infrastructure, writing code and discussing philosophy (i don't know why)
14:50 < kanzure> it has no relation to the current project
14:50 < ybit> calxia.com is dead
14:50 < kanzure> but srsly, thanks lazyweb
14:51 < kanzure> yeah it's been dead for a while
14:51 < ybit> so this calxism is?
14:51 < kanzure> what?
14:51 < ybit> 14:44 < kanzure> it was part of a philosophy (calxism)
14:51 < ybit> just wondering what this calxism was
14:51 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/calxism/
14:51 < ybit> it's a saying for how the project progressed?
14:52 < ybit> oh
14:52 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/calxism/quick.html
14:52 < kanzure> i'm going to move the index file to a .bak file so you can see the files in that directory
14:52 < kanzure> alright, have fun
14:54 < kanzure> these were from 2005, the timestamps lie :(
14:54 < genehacker> how would the atacama project work?
14:55 < genehacker> massive water recycling, greenhouses, robot factories?
14:55 < kanzure> they're using this: http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/7/7/1195771.jpg
14:55 < kanzure> yep
14:56 < kanzure> basically if i was to go back now and redo the idea of calxia i'd basically say "ok implement a space habitat on earth, using skdb as the backend"
14:56 < kanzure> that's basically the idea.
14:56 < kanzure> but i got into the calxia idea before i was thinking straight about skdb
14:56 < genehacker> ok well talk to me later
14:56 < kanzure> why
14:56 < genehacker> I have to g
14:59 < ybit> so it's monday, kanzure, do you have time to help start this diy-h+ archive? :)
15:00 < kanzure> i'm not at the lab today. i think i should just upload files manually.
15:00 < kanzure> er, not manually, but from here
15:00 < ybit> http://hatta-wiki.org/
15:01 < ybit> djangit for mercurial
15:01 < kanzure> nice
15:02 < ybit> not sure how nice it really is though
15:05 < kanzure> oh it's in python :)
15:05 < kanzure> ah, cherrpy
15:05 < ybit> holy crap, aye?
15:07 < ybit> or am i the only one who says 'holy __' anymore? :P
15:13 < kanzure> http://tata1.org/Chile-agreement/1_ChileCalproposal.pdf
15:14 < ybit> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4039164/Mythbusters.S06E06.MacGyver.Special.PROPER.HDTV.XviD-FQM :: mythbusters macgyver special
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15:21 < ybit> this works better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p55A9SYrqCE
15:23 < kanzure>  retrofit MMARS habitat with necessary infrastructure (Peter Kokh, Dan Fouts, Ben Husset and local talent);
15:30 < drazak> My ELISA results look good, but the increase isn't significant
15:30  * drazak sighs
15:34 < kanzure> "This group will work on a paper to introduce the idea of an International Lunar Research Park with key roles for Contractors, Enterprises, and Academia along with the various national space agencies. The goal is to set up something that over time will naturally morph into the 1st lunar settlement."
15:34 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/international-lunar-resarch-park/
15:34 < kanzure> Dave Dietzler?
15:35 < bkero> That sounds like a place I could escape my persecution.
15:36 < kanzure> Dave Dietzler <pioneer137@yahoo.com>
15:36 < drazak> fuck ELISAs
15:44 < drazak> I want an ELISA machine
16:03 < bkero> Make one :P
16:03 < bkero> If something is worth doing, it's worth doing yourself :P
16:07 < kanzure> ben husset seems to be the author of the "moon miner's manifesto"
16:09 < kanzure> http://freespaceshot.com/ free trips around the moon (only for kids <13 yrs)
16:10 < drazak> bkero: I have nfc how
16:12 < kanzure> oh snap
16:12 < kanzure> so that's who this "peter kokh" guy is?
16:12 < kanzure> "Peter Kokh joined NSS, then NSI (National Space Institute) as "Life Member #2" shortly after it was founded by Werner von Braun in 1974."
16:12 < kanzure> http://www.lunar-reclamation.org/bio_pk.htm
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16:23 < kanzure> does anyone have a git2hg tool laying around?
16:27 < ybit> wanting to give hatta-wiki a shot?
16:30 < ybit> http://hg-git.github.com/ 
16:33 < ybit> http://wiki.darcs.net/RelatedSoftware/Tailor is what you are looking for kanzure 
16:33 < ybit> nm
16:33 < ybit> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ConvertExtension there
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17:44 < kanzure> ybit: i'm going through some old emails.
17:44 < kanzure> 2005-09-01: 
17:44 < kanzure> sacha chua emailed me
17:44 < kanzure> so there.
17:45 < drazak> do any of you knwo hwo to do a ptest?
17:53 < ybit> kanzure: um, okay, heh. what'd she want? 
18:06 < kanzure> something for her article
18:06 < kanzure> about productivity tools?
18:06 < kanzure> my first CFD book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0070016852/qid=1134278131/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-7227723-2284041?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
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19:07 < ybit> hi bct_ 
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19:13 < drazak> ybit: do you remember orgchem?
19:16 < ybit> of course.. not :)
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19:16 < drazak> http://www.webassign.net/userimages/kasandbe@ncsu/CH221_08_ACS_e.gif
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19:39 < bkero> awesome ms paint.  Thanks wikipedia.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prophage.JPG
20:23 < kanzure> Total 4745 (delta 2942), reused 2044 (delta 1139)
20:23 < kanzure> importing Git objects into Hg
20:23 < kanzure> abort: Not a directory: /home/kanzure/local/hg-git/skdb-hg/doc/todo/TODO
20:27 < kanzure> (not that it matters)
20:52 < kanzure> http://github.com/blog/439-hg-git-mercurial-plugin
20:52 < kanzure> bonus points for whoever can figure out when the real comments stop and the bots start
20:52 < kanzure> the last few comments get pretty sophisticated
20:56 < kanzure> fenn: it wouldn't be the end of the world if different developers put their skdb packages in different repositories
20:57 < kanzure> but are you going to insist that all packages that i make be git?
20:57 < kanzure> er be in a git repo
20:58 < kanzure> i'm trying to sort out the architecture needed for the website
20:58 < kanzure> definitely a gallery of projects, and the documentation pages etc. would be under revision control
20:58 < kanzure> but those projects/packages could just as easily be on other wikis somewhere
20:58 < kanzure> maybe the web front should be a front-end like aptitude except for hardware?
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21:29 < kanzure> i wonder why http://kaixin001.com/ (a popular chinese social networking site) links to heybryan.org
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21:33 < genehacker> your papers
21:34 < genehacker> that's why
21:36 < ybit> so kanzure, you are switching to hatta-wiki?
21:37 < fenn> git can be converted to hg and vice-versa, but it's not something you want to do all the time
21:37 < ybit> fenn: have you two talked about switching? 
21:37 < fenn> especially because the conversion will probably get flubbed by us amateurs all the time
21:37 < ybit> djangit to hatta?
21:37 < fenn> ybit: no, i don't even know what hatta is, besides samrose likes it
21:38 < fenn> all i remember is not being terribly impressed
21:38 < ybit> okay then, what's all this conversion stuff for?
21:38 < fenn> "are you going to insist that all package tht i make be git?"
21:39 < fenn> smari thinks it's OK for no two developers to speak the same language
21:39 < fenn> i think that's a bunch of crap
21:40 < kanzure> i'm kind of embarrassed about how terrible djangit's codebase is
21:40 < kanzure> cherrpy is nice and sweet
21:40 < fenn> insecure as hell though
21:40 < kanzure> but hatta-wiki is hg-only. although it wouldn't be too hard to replace its 6 calls to mercurial
21:40 < fenn> is hatta good? i mean comparable to dokuwiki?
21:40 < kanzure> anyway, why did we need a web front?
21:40 < kanzure> no
21:41 < fenn> so ignoramuses can contribute
21:41 < kanzure> what do you mean "contribute"
21:41 < fenn> data
21:42 < kanzure> a front end to a package validator/checker?
21:42 < fenn> right
21:42 < kanzure> ok what else is on thes ite
21:42 < kanzure> *the site
21:42 < fenn> a list of packages, renderings of cad files, links between packages and idioms
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21:43 < fenn> user pages, wiki-like howto crap
21:43 < kanzure> does it bother you that we don't actually have any content to display on said site?
21:43 < fenn> look at the todo list
21:43 < fenn> yes
21:43 < kanzure> righto
21:43 < ybit> so hatta or djangit?
21:44 < fenn> it's not an either or choice
21:44 < kanzure> your git repo is compatible with both
21:44 < kanzure> (er, more or less)
21:44 < ybit> right, but the site is using which?
21:44 < fenn> don't ask me
21:45 < kanzure> i'm perfectly ok fixing up djangit a bit more, it's just going to look like shit
21:45 < kanzure> the advantage of this is that other django apps can be dropped in to add "functionality" to the site
21:45 < ybit> you tell me which one to work on
21:45 < kanzure> you're working on something?
21:45 < kanzure> djangit, fix its bullshit
21:45 < ybit> about to
21:45 < ybit> are you sure that's what we want?
21:46 < ybit> it may be quicker to use hatta if it's had more development time
21:46 < fenn> i don't see anything particularly alluring about django, but kanzure seems to think it's worth something
21:46 < fenn> all i really want is a html/python template system
21:47 < kanzure> oh?
21:47 < kanzure> i used to hack together these websites in php that were absolutely terrible
21:47 < kanzure> but they were mostly a templating system
21:47 < kanzure> with cracks and crannies filled in with database queries
21:47 < ybit> fenn: /me is in the need of such a system as well
21:48 < kanzure> mysql_connect, mysql_select_db, mysql_query, mysql_fetch_array, is all one ever needed to know.. back in 2002.
21:48 < fenn> some html_repr method wouldn't be too awful?
21:48 < ybit> but i don't want to work on two systems, so i'll implement whatever it is that fabgalaxy implements :)
21:48 < kanzure> fabgal?
21:48 < ybit> no
21:48 < fenn> galfab
21:48 < ybit> :P
21:48 < fenn> the hentai video game where you make the perfect fembot
21:49 < ybit> though i must say you might get a lot more people interested in it, if only because they were mislead to believe they would receive something else
21:49 < ybit> aka nerds implementing 'mad science'-like gal
21:49 < ybit> er, weird science*
21:50 < kanzure> do we really not have any useful content for a website?
21:50 < kanzure> jeebus
21:50 < fenn> guess i'm a perv.. i have a thing for chii
21:50 < kanzure> i tried to get into chobits once,
21:50 < ybit> plenty of content
21:50 < kanzure> but it was hard without reading the manga or watching the anime
21:50 < kanzure> ybit: where?
21:50 < ybit> the interwebs
21:50 < kanzure> no i mean in skdb
21:51 < fenn> yeah i tried playing with computers but using a mouse or keyboard is just too hard
21:51 < kanzure> ?
21:51 < ybit> kanzure: you ready to walk me through the directory tree?
21:52 < ybit> now i have something to do, get paths.py working
21:52 < kanzure> it's mostly self-explanatory
21:52 < kanzure> do any of the folders not make sense?
21:53  * ybit just took a look. nope
21:53 < ybit> looks self-explanatory
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21:53 < ybit> and plus iirc, most of smari's work is in clients
21:54 < kanzure> and inventory? maybe
21:55 < ybit> kanzure: what were you saying about combined.dat?
21:55 < kanzure> i was asking if you have that file
21:56 < ybit> oh yeah, it's there
21:56 < ybit> the complaint is about def units_happy(self, call_string, rval):
21:56 < ybit> that function
21:56 < ybit>   File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/core/units.py", line 60, in units_happy
21:56 < ybit>     raise UnitError, str(call_string) + ': ' + str(rval)
21:56 < ybit> skdb.core.units.UnitError: pi/2 radians: Unknown unit 'pi'
21:56 < ybit> *** glibc detected *** python: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x09f59270 ***
21:56 < kanzure> that complaint still happens?
21:56 < kanzure> if you look at combined.dat do you see "pi" in there?
21:56 < ybit> yeah, i haven't looked at it since the other day
21:57 < ybit> no
21:57 < kanzure> supplemental.dat there?
21:58 < kanzure> do you have units installed yet?
21:58 < ybit> heath@togetic:~$ pastebinit /home/heath/projects/skdb/core/combined.dat
21:58 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/f564d39e8
21:58 < ybit> there's supplemental_units.dat
21:58 < ybit> yes, i have units installed
21:58 < kanzure> check it for "pi" in supplemental_units
21:58 < ybit> nope
21:59 < kanzure> units '2pi'
21:59 < kanzure> units -v
21:59 < ybit> heath@togetic:~/projects/skdb/core$ pastebinit supplemental_units.dat 
21:59 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/f4177ee47
21:59 < kanzure> is togetic still online?
21:59 < ybit> heath@togetic:~/projects/skdb/core$ units '2pi' Definition: 6.2831853
21:59 < ybit> heath@togetic:~/projects/skdb/core$ units -v
21:59 < ybit> 2411 units, 71 prefixes, 33 nonlinear units
21:59 < ybit> yeah
21:59 < kanzure> units version?
22:00 < kanzure> i have 1.87
22:00 < ybit>  units --version
22:00 < ybit> GNU Units version 1.87
22:00 < kanzure> check /usr/share/misc/units.dat on line 581
22:00 < kanzure> sorry line 757
22:00 < kanzure> (just search for 3.14)
22:00 < ybit> circlearea(r)   [m;m^2] pi r^2 ; sqrt(circlearea/pi)
22:01 < ybit> that's l581
22:01 < kanzure> line 757 is more important
22:01 < ybit> i see
22:01 < kanzure> is it there?
22:01 < ybit> yeah
22:01 < ybit> it recognizes pi, we knew that from units '2pi'
22:05  * ybit wasn't trying to offend ya. come back! :P
22:05 < fenn> pi/2 radians is from threads.py right?
22:06 < fenn> or are you running paths.py?
22:06 < ybit> fenn: i'm trying to run paths.py
22:07 < fenn> hmm SetRotation
22:07  * fenn blames kanzure
22:08 < ybit> seems it's from geom.py
22:08 < ybit> /home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py:    def SetRotation(self, pivot_point=Point([0,0,0]), direction=Direction([0,0,1]), angle=Unit("pi/2 radians")):
22:08 < ybit> /home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py:    def __init__(self, pivot_point=Point([0,0,0]), direction=Direction([0,0,1]), angle=Unit("pi/2 radians"), parent=None, description=None):
22:08 < fenn> paths.py shouldn't even be using geom.Transformation
22:09 < fenn> kanzure: i haven't run it in a month or so, so if paths.py doesn't work it's probably something you did
22:09 < ybit> the traceback: http://pastebin.ca/1617124
22:09 < ybit>   File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/__init__.py", line 1, in <module>
22:09 < ybit>     from geom import *
22:09 < ybit>   File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py", line 123, in <module>
22:09 < ybit>     class Transformation(gp_Trsf):
22:09 < ybit>   File "/home/heath/projects/skdb/geom/geom.py", line 166, in Transformation
22:09 < ybit>     def SetRotation(self, pivot_point=Point([0,0,0]), direction=Direction([0,0,1]), angle=Unit("pi/2 radians")):
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22:11 < fenn> i'm guessing somewhere in the mountain of steeming doodoo that is OCC_shape
22:14 < fenn> omg why does skdb take 10 seconds to load
22:15 < fenn> ybit launch a python shell and do import skdb; angle=skdb.Unit("pi/2 radians")
22:16 < ybit> good call
22:16 < ybit> same error
22:19 < fenn> i don't get any error. why?
22:20  * ybit grabs the latest
22:21 < ybit> well, that didn't do anything :P
22:26 < ybit> L22-37 might be of relevance 
22:26 < ybit> ..of units.py
22:27 < kanzure> fenn: paths.py crashes for me because of driver issues. when i reboot into 2.6.26, it works just fine
22:31 < ybit> heath@togetic:~$ cat /proc/version 
22:31 < ybit> Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-19) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009
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22:43 < ybit> can you do that?
22:43 < ybit> [+-
22:43 < ybit> ]
22:44  * ybit thought you were supposed to give two characters if you use -
22:46 < ybit> am looking at sci = '([+-]?\d*.?\d+([eE][+-]?\d+)?)
22:49  * ybit doesnt' like cathal garvey's lack of citing sources
23:06 < ybit> will a few of you send me stats from ping -c 3 http://ybit.ath.cx
23:07 < ybit> 3 or more
23:09 < fenn> ybit: http://pastebin.ca/1617199
23:10 < ybit> ty fen
23:10 < fenn> digital camera noise fingerprinting: "Fridrich's lab analyzed 2,700 pictures taken by nine digital cameras and with 100 percent accuracy linked individual images with the camera that took them."
23:13 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/images/ew.png
23:33 < kanzure> http://protoforge.org/
23:38 < kanzure> http://sourceforge.net/projects/protoforge/
23:38 < kanzure> it kind of sucks though
23:38 < kanzure> what's the point?
23:39 < kanzure> various crappy blog posts: http://blogs.seds.org/oed/
23:45 < ybit> take your pick for a name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth
23:52 < ybit> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythological_creatures look at See Also
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