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01:32 < kanzure> so the skdb website is now running opencascade simultaneously
01:32 < kanzure> suprisingly the site doesn't take forever to load
01:32 < bkero> I'm eating kittens.
01:32 < kanzure> you're eating dirt
01:32 < kanzure> and you like it
01:32 < bkero> pssh
01:32 < bkero> These kittens are probably a bit dirty
01:33 < bkero> So yea
01:33 < kanzure> you planning on heckling me at the conference?
01:33 < kanzure> did you decide it's too far?
01:33 < bkero> If I make it down there
01:33 < bkero> Yea
01:34 < bkero> Oh wait!
01:34 < bkero> I might have winter break then
01:34 < bkero> In which case I'd just drive down
01:35  * bkero makes a mental note of looking at a calendat next time he's next at a computer.
01:35 < bkero> calendar*
01:42 < genehacker> eating kittens
01:43 < genehacker> seems you've been spending too much time online
01:47 < genehacker> I want a tundish
01:47 < genehacker> does skdb have a list of refractories?
01:59 < genehacker> if not
01:59 < genehacker> time to add one
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09:46 < kanzure> hello lazzareth__ 
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10:06 < kanzure> fenn: do you know how to pass locals() to a cheetah template?
10:25 < fenn> that's a good idea.. but no
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12:44 < kanzure> http://neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-explicit-self-has-to-stay.html
12:58 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 640fa5d /clients/web.py: really bad unit tests for cherrypy
13:03 < fenn> '/home/some/page/new/' should be '/home/some/page/new' or '/home/some/page/new?foo=123&bar=456'
13:05 < fenn> how do you know 'new' is the command in the second example? (/x/y/z/new/1/2/3)
13:06 < fenn> i dont like the reserved keywords.. for example what if i have a directory 'source'?
13:12 < fenn> i like the @cherrypy decorators
13:13 < fenn> what is 'vpath' in PackageFront? and what is PackageFront?
13:15 < fenn> where does PackageIndex come from?
13:15 < kanzure> PackageIndex comes from templates/
13:15 < kanzure> templates/ is currently not committed
13:15 < kanzure> vpath in the "default" methods is the second argument..er.. i mean, def blah(stuff, goes, here, *vpath, **keywords)
13:16 < kanzure> this sets positional arguments into vpath
13:16 < kanzure> and keyword arguments into keywords
13:16 < fenn> from templates import *
13:16 < fenn> ImportError: No module named templates
13:16 < kanzure> positional arguments in http://blah.com/blah/goes/here/ are "blah goes here". the keyword arguments are the GET or POST variables.
13:16 < kanzure> fenn: i told you it's not committed
13:16 < fenn> i was debugging concurrently with the explanario
13:17 < kanzure> explanidad?
13:17 < kanzure> nevermind
13:17 < kanzure> if you want to quickly make templates/ do this:
13:17 < kanzure> mkdir templates
13:17 < kanzure> touch templates/__init__.py
13:17 < kanzure> touch templates/IndexTemplate.tmpl
13:17 < fenn> a primitive invertebrate organism resembling a proper explanation
13:17 < kanzure> cd templates; cheetah compile IndexTemplate
13:18 < fenn> well i still wouldnt have PackageIndex or whatever
13:18 < kanzure> easy_install Cheetah; easy_install TurboCheetah;
13:18 < kanzure> oh, well, touch templates/PackageIndex.tmpl
13:18 < fenn> you can apt-get cheetah
13:18 < kanzure> they are not interesting
13:18 < kanzure> and contain just "foo" and "bar" respectively
13:21 < kanzure> my output on CherryBase.default should be helpful
13:21 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/x/y/z/
13:21 < fenn> is the _url stuff from cherrypy?
13:22 < kanzure> no that's me
13:22 < kanzure> class Url is totally me
13:23 < fenn> shouldnt you do somethink like: for (k,v) in url.__dict__: setattr(self, k, v)
13:23 < fenn> erm. copy(v)
13:23 < kanzure> yes
13:24 < fenn> that whole thing is sorta confusing
13:24 < kanzure> sorry, where?
13:24 < fenn> i dont think you should call it a url, whatever it is
13:24 < fenn> you've got commands and paths and so on
13:25 < fenn> "a url is parsed into a Url." is just weird
13:25 < kanzure> cherrypy gives the *blah argument as a tuple to a method
13:25 < kanzure> so then i convert this tuple and play around with it with Url
13:25 < kanzure> but i'm open to calling it something else
13:25 < kanzure> s/tuple/n-uple/
13:25 < fenn> url = Url(extra)
13:26 < fenn> that's where you're getting the data
13:26 < kanzure> ok and extra was the *extra argument
13:27 < fenn> well it's weird because it's not a url anymore, it's a path and a command right?
13:27 < kanzure> it wasn't a url to begin with i guess
13:33 < kanzure> #cherrypy says it is a "virtual path" or "path segment"
13:35 < kanzure> (#cherrypy is on oftc)
13:40 < kanzure> 13:36 <@fumanchu> that's a term from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt
13:40 < kanzure> 13:36 <@fumanchu>       path-abempty  = *( "/" segment )
13:40 < kanzure> 13:37 <@fumanchu> so in '/foo/bar/baz' there are 3 segments
14:40 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/x/y/z/
14:40 < kanzure> "extra" is the "virtual path" 
14:40 < kanzure> yes
14:41 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/x/y/z/
14:41 < fenn> x/y/z/ is the virtual path, but is it also command keyword arguments?
14:41 < kanzure> but in this case: http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units123/x/y/z/   the virtual path is units123/x/y/z
14:41 < kanzure> the reason why /units/x/y/z did not have "units" in the virtual path was because "units" was in the object tree
14:41 < kanzure> in the case of /x/y/z/ there are no commands in the virtual path
14:41 < fenn> why would i want "extra"?
14:41 < kanzure> i consider "edit" to be a command
14:42 < kanzure> as a cherrypy developer?
14:42 < fenn> what does "extra" represent?
14:42 < kanzure> it is the "virtual path" that cherrypy gives the "default" method (CherryBase.default in web.py)
14:42 < fenn> why not web.py/units?x=inch&y=furlong
14:43 < kanzure> er that works..
14:43 < fenn> x and y are keywords
14:43 < kanzure> yessir
14:43 < kanzure> not positional
14:43 < fenn> sfw
14:44 < kanzure> please note
14:44 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/?one=50+m&two=2km
14:45 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/?ZZZZZ=50+m&xxxx=2km
14:45 < kanzure> the keyword variable names do not matter in my example
14:45 < kanzure> so don't confuse it with /units/x/y/z
14:45 < fenn> ok.. i understood that
14:45 < fenn> what does units/x/y/z mean?
14:45 < fenn> what are x/y/z
14:45 < kanzure> in this case they are random mashings of my keyboard
14:45 < fenn> i just dont get what avirtual path is supposed to be
14:45 < fenn> it's not an object, it's not a file, it's not a command.. wtf is it!
14:46 < kanzure> look again
14:46 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units/x/y/z/
14:46 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/app/web.py/units123/x/y/z/
14:46 < kanzure> in one case "units123" is part of the virtual path
14:46 < kanzure> in the other "units" is not a part of the virtual path
14:46 < fenn> that's just because units123 wasn't found
14:46 < kanzure> yes
14:47 < kanzure> so it "goes as far as it can"
14:47 < kanzure> and then it calls farthest_matched_thingy.default(virtual_path, keywords)
14:47 < fenn> bleah
14:47 < fenn> you have no idea what a virtual path is, do you
14:47 < kanzure> i just told you
14:48 < kanzure> the virtual path is everything that was not matched to something in the cherrypy object tree
14:48 < fenn> it's "something that's not there"
14:48 < kanzure> well it doesn't have to be a "something"
14:48 < fenn> sounds more like a "nonexistent path" to me
14:49 < kanzure> it can be whatever farthest_matched_thingy wants to interpret it as
14:49 < kanzure> so for instance one valid "virtual path" is a SHA string
14:49 < kanzure> (you shouldn't/will not have an object with the same name as that SHA ;-))
14:49 < fenn> do you actually have a valid use case in mind for this?
14:49 < kanzure> yes specifying the SHA 
14:49 < fenn> not the SHA thing, but vpath in general
14:50 < kanzure> originally yes but now that /package/screw/data/edit has "data" as a File object, File.edit can probably take over 
14:50 < kanzure> originally i was going to use virtual paths to figure out what page a user wanted to edit
14:50 < fenn> why doesn't it say "path is: (
14:50 < kanzure> where?
14:50 < fenn> why doesn't it say "path is: ('web.py', 'units')"
14:51 < fenn> instead of x, y
14:51 < kanzure> that made sense until you asked "instead of"
14:51 < fenn> since x, y is the "virtual path" (thereby implying there is a real path)
14:51 < kanzure> web.py is "broken off" by cherrypy i think
14:51 < kanzure> or possibly apache?
14:51 < kanzure> probably cherrypy
14:51 < fenn> fine, then just "path is: ('units')"
14:52 < kanzure> the output is misleading
14:52 < kanzure> really that should say "virtual path is: "
14:52 < fenn> ok
14:52 < kanzure> hm that probably screwed you up
14:52 < fenn> no
14:52 < kanzure> it has great screwup potential
14:52 < fenn> yes
14:54 < kanzure> i'm not sure if "default" is going to be used like this now that fumanchu has shown me __getattr__, which makes much more sense for what we want to do
14:54 < kanzure> though it is peculiar that cherrypy insists on hijacking the getattr of a class for its nefarious purposes..
14:54 < kanzure> why not just a "__cpgetattr__" or something
14:55 < kanzure> http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/RestfulDispatch
14:55 < kanzure> http://www.cherrypy.org/wiki/PageHandlers#OtherDispatchers
14:56 < fenn> how does it hijack __getattr__? i mean when does that get turned on?
14:56 < kanzure> if there is a custom __getattr__ defined, it uses it
14:56 < fenn> ok, so you just do that manually
14:56 < kanzure> right i figure that some packages might want their own custom __getattr__ for something 
14:56 < kanzure> (who knows)
14:57 < kanzure> so it wouldn't be nice to force cherrypy upon them
14:57 < fenn> having a hard tim following the restfuldispatch example
14:57 < kanzure> a hard who?!
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15:46 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r f1aaea9 / (clients/web.py core/package.py): working on Packages view for keeping packages together
15:50 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 387957a / (clients/web.py core/package.py core/skdb.py): rename Packages to PackageSet
15:54  * kanzure configures apache for local testing
15:54 < kanzure> better than pushing code that i haven't checked
15:58 < fenn> is it easier to set up cherrypy with its own web server?
15:59 < kanzure> i tried it and it didn't work
16:00 < kanzure> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-wsgi, then edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and add in AddHandler wsgi-script .py for a certain <Directory> element in the config file
16:04 < kanzure> i need a better way to deal with extra_paths at the top :(
16:05 < fenn> what is all that for?
16:06 < kanzure> apache doesn't have the right pythonpath variables apparently
16:06 < fenn> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages should already be in sys.path
16:06 < fenn> i thought you werent using mod_python
16:09 < kanzure> i'm not
16:28  * drazak sits on kanzure 
16:28 < fenn> i just want to point out that web.py is a server, not a client
16:32 < kanzure> it is not a server
16:32 < fenn> is too
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16:32 < kanzure> cherrypy has a built-in server if you want
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18:31  * drazak is still at the motherfucking lab
18:31 < drazak> I should do some inventory
18:31 < drazak> but I'm tired as hell
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20:23 < kanzure>     metaclass conflict: the metaclass of a derived class must be a (non-strict) subclass of the metaclasses of all its bases
20:23 < kanzure>     metaclass conflict: the metaclass of a derived class must be a (non-strict) subclass of the metaclasses of all its bases
20:30 < kanzure> TypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases module.__init__() takes at most 2 arguments (3 given)
21:31 < kanzure> when you request /packages/lego/part/1 from web.py,
21:31 < kanzure> you can see the opencascade "loading step file" message crap (like how long it takes to load each step file) in the server logs
21:31 < kanzure> pretty cool :)
21:37 < drazak> kanzure: what do you think of a primer on pipetting and other basic techniques?
21:38 < kanzure> i have never seen a primer on pipetting
21:39 < drazak> I've seen a couple
21:42 < kanzure> what's the normal HTTP response code? not 302, but what?
21:44 < kanzure> 405?
21:44 < kanzure> ah, 200
21:44 < kanzure> heee unit tests :)
21:52 < ybit> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101185
21:53 < ybit> bkero: know of anything better, you're always up on this kind of stuff :-)
21:53 < ybit> ..for this price or less
21:54 < ybit> last time we talked about laptops, you suggested the t4220, but i want performance from the lappy
21:54 < kanzure> Writing memories with light-addressable reinforcement circuitry
21:54 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Writing%20memories%20with%20light-addressable%20reinforcement%20circuitry.pdf
21:58  * kanzure tries to hook up to heybryan.org:8080 but finds a wild gnurd living there
21:58 < kanzure> hmph
22:02 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r ca0e58e / (6 files in 3 dirs): partial package view on cherrypy server
22:30 < bkero> ybit: ew core solo
22:33 < bkero> ybit: http://cgi.ebay.com/FUJITSU-P1620-CORE2-DUO-1-2GHZ-2048MB-40GB-VISTA-WIFI_W0QQitemZ290360066579QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item439acf0213
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22:40 < ybit> huh, i was thinking it was dual
22:42 < bkero> Core Solo
22:42 < bkero> Big ol' pile of horse shit
22:42 < ybit> i just don't see me paying that much for those specs when for $75 you can get 210 more gig of storage and an extra gig of ram
22:42 < ybit> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834200027
22:42 < bkero> Higher resolution, tablet
22:42 < bkero> Better battery life
22:42 < bkero> It's an ultra-low voltage
22:43 < bkero> Higher PPI
22:43 < bkero> Dock
22:43 < bkero> Dual battery charger, case
22:44 < ybit> wonder if that's the screen made for outdoors, because there were two screens for that model
22:45 < bkero> I have one.  It's resistive touch, matte
22:45 < bkero> You can get active digitizers on ebay for about $50
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22:53 < drazak> kanzure: I haven't been flamed for bitching about synbio... yet
22:53 < drazak> I need to put together a more well written bitch about synbio
22:54 < ybit> bkero: the only reason i can think to have a tablet notebook (unless it's the n900 touch tablet/phone/gps/camera) is for drawing a facial hair on my personal pictures 
22:55 < ybit> though i imagine it is useful, sometimes, in reducing prototyping in something like inkscape
22:55 < ybit> +time
22:57 < ybit> bkero: anything else it's useful for?
23:07 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r f5f329e /clients/ (templates/PackageView.tmpl templates/__init__.py web.py): PackageView, another template, etc.
23:10 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 633a0f7 /clients/web.py: forgot to include the right template
23:17 < ybit> i also forgot to mention that the tablet is ddr2, most notebooks at that price now have an extra gig and are running on ddr3