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02:22 < bkero> Anybody have experience with audio stuff?
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10:04 < ybit> 21:08 < kanzure> something about training under turtle master roshi
10:04 < ybit> :P
10:04 < ybit> 21:10 < kanzure> also a better picture of the interesection problem would be hawt (also the graph exported in yaml)
10:06 < ybit> i ran into another error last night after knocking myself out for bed (nothing significant i'm sure), i'll have to take a look this afternoon, not sure exactly where the paths.py graphs|yaml are located if created either, but if you don't tell me, i can find out i'm sure
10:07 < ybit> interesting bits of conversation last night it seems
10:07 < ybit> bkero: what kind of audio stuff?
10:08 < kanzure> heh what if we allowed only digital power tools in the instruction generation? no qualms about twisting screws and other bullshit, just "attach. press the button." (we can assume press-the-button is something we don't have to teach, right?)
10:09 < kanzure> ybit: under the menu there should be a "save" thingy. it doesn't generate yaml but it does make a file called output.dot i think
10:11 < kanzure> the problem i've been having with instruction representation is that in some cases you want to break it all the way down to force-body diagrams
10:11 < kanzure> and in those situations, it is not ideal for human consumption
10:11 < kanzure> you can't quite tell a human, "apply a torque in this direction".. well, you could, but that kind of sucks
10:12 < kanzure> (and fenn likes to bring up another problem with that, which i presently forget)
10:12 < kanzure> but with digital power tools, a single button press works just as well
10:12 < kanzure> any kinematic mechanism that needs to implement the motion that the digital tool does, can and should
10:14 < kanzure> but we don't need to represent its motion :) yay
10:16 < kanzure> if someone makes a motion representation library and people can easily understand what the motions are, then motion comparison, equivalence, and augmentation would be nice to have, but i don't think we should rely on it when we have discrete solutions already (like power tools)
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10:18 < kanzure> maybe i'll write a "motion bootstrapping library"- starting with the most simple motion to understand, and work a path out to more complex motions that amplify human strength (like by using simple machines that you have constructed)
10:18 < kanzure> in the mean time it is too complicated to figure out which "simple motions" are required to build a power tool, or acquire one from the hardware store
10:19 < kanzure> does anyone want to model up a consumer power toolset for skdb?
10:43 < kanzure> ybit: what time are you arriving in austin?
10:48 < kanzure> ybit: larry (travel dude) suggests going through phoenix. i need to know when you'll be arriving in austin so i don't leave before then.
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12:07 < bkero> ybit: Some amps
12:15 < katsmeow-afk> this is often done by mechanics : [10:14] <kanzure> you can't quite tell a human, "apply a torque in this direction".. well, you could, but that kind of sucks
12:15 < katsmeow-afk> at least, by intelligent ones
12:16 < katsmeow-afk> stupid ones say "turn it this way" and demo the direction, and the part is often over rotated
12:18 < katsmeow-afk> re: motions to get power tool: some Ai projects have done this already, if i can remember which ones
12:19 < katsmeow-afk> done in the 60's even,, Erasamon?
12:20 < katsmeow-afk> under the ehading of "how to get from outside the window looking in, to inside the building beside the table" and such things
12:20 < katsmeow-afk> shortest linear direction wasn't acceptable : thru the wall
12:22 < katsmeow-afk> i think Cyc did it too, for function/action domains: HowToEatInRestr......
12:23 < katsmeow-afk> fastfoodtakeout vs sitdowninside , etc
12:23 < katsmeow-afk> <1> lets got do drivethru McDonalds
12:23 < katsmeow-afk> <2> car required
12:24 < katsmeow-afk> <1> ok, lets steal that Bentley
12:24 < katsmeow-afk> <2> check fuel
12:24 < katsmeow-afk> <3> ok, everyone pick a window to climb thru
12:24 < katsmeow-afk> <1><2> done
12:24 < katsmeow-afk> <3> the window i picked wasn't open, but i managed
12:25 < katsmeow-afk> <4> you guys are in the wrong Bentley
12:26 < katsmeow-afk> <2> we need a driver
12:27 < katsmeow-afk> <3> how do we see outside from this position?
12:27 < katsmeow-afk> <1> my locker key won't fit the ignition
12:28 < katsmeow-afk> <5> are we there yet?
12:28 < genehacker> a power tool set?
12:28 < genehacker> Kanzure, you know what you should do about that?
12:28 < genehacker> you should ask some engineering students to do it for you
12:28 < katsmeow-afk> no, for the steps required for almost anythng a human would do
12:29 < katsmeow-afk> for sitting down at table: requires a sit-on-thing
12:29 < genehacker> how do you determine if the power tool can reasonably fit into the space?
12:32 < katsmeow-afk> know the dimensions
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14:02 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 5f74ae3 / (6 files in 2 dirs): dot repo file utilities and tools
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16:58 < ybit> 10:43 < kanzure> ybit: what time are you arriving in austin?
16:59 < ybit> well, i was thinking of coming in on thursday and spending a day there so i wouldn't have to get up so early for a fligth on friday, i'll look at the flight times and get back with you
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18:03 < ybit> 10:48 < kanzure> ybit: larry (travel dude) suggests going through phoenix. 
18:03 < ybit> this phoenix? http://www.phoenixair.com/home.php
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18:44 < ybit> new papers: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/?C=M;O=D
18:45 < ybit> the last error last night http://pastebin.com/m3bc0b119
18:59 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/code/problems/ has an example of what i was talking about yesterday, these legos can't fit together, or at least i'm not seeing how this is correct
19:03 < ybit> notice both connectors for the legos don't have holes, if the cylindrical shaped lego had a hole in one of its connectors or whatever you call them, the rectangular lego might be able to fit into that.. 
19:18 < ybit> this isn't always, the case, the past two times i've rant it, parts match up just fine
19:25 < ybit> ignore comma splice and s/rant/ran
19:30  * ybit notices that 'connectors' are actually called anti-studs in this case
19:31 < ybit> s/anti-//
19:49 < ybit> diff anti-stud stud-cup?
19:50 < ybit> anti axle?..
19:52 < ybit>     anti stud: !lego_feature
19:52 < ybit>         comment: this typically has 3 or 4 contact points, but is not round
19:52 < ybit>         complement: [stud, technic stud]
19:52 < ybit>         example: 3005
19:52 < ybit>         technique: press_fit
19:52 < ybit>         kinematics: revolute
19:57 < kanzure> ybit: feel free to come earlier. i don't know when i want to arrive, i guess the 5th.
20:00 < ybit> any good recommendations on drafting/eng drawing? maybe there's a huge flippin' glossary with these terms
20:02 < kanzure> the reason why cgraph.dict doesn't have self.interface1.part in it is probably because you commented it out on a previous problem.
20:03 < kanzure> all of those images in http://ybit.ath.cx/code/problems/ look absolutely fine to me
20:03 < ybit> kanzure: nope, this is a fresh skdb install
20:03 < kanzure> ybit: these terms come from the LDRAW book (yes there's a book)
20:04 < ybit> online and free?
20:06 < kanzure> no
20:06 < ybit> Virtual LEGO: the official LDraw.Org guide to LDraw tools for Windows
20:06 < kanzure> i saw it on austin talley's shelf, he's one of the been-there-forever grad students at the MAD LAB.
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20:13 < ybit> i don't think that's the book, or at least google isn't finding 'anti-stud'|"anti stud" in it
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20:21 < ybit> dirty mind activate! http://www.ldraw.org/gallery/album01/lcd_18a.gif
20:22 < ybit> http://www.ldraw.org/gallery/album01/lcd_19.gif
20:35 < ybit> alex never responded, i'm guessing he isn't interested as you suspected kanzure 
20:36 < ybit> nor did he join the om mailing list
20:36 < ybit> infolibs.com available
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20:37 < ybit> partm8
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21:06 < ybit> meh
21:06 < ybit> oi strages_ 
21:06 < ybit> you going to phraknic?
21:13 < ybit> phreaknic*
21:15 < kanzure> ybit: fad-lab.com
21:16 < ybit> taken
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