--- Day changed Fri Oct 23 2009 00:00 * katsmeow-afk gives Phreedom a ping now 00:01 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Client Quit] 00:01 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:14 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit ["No Ping reply in 180 seconds."] 00:15 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:18 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:19 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:25 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit ["No Ping reply in 180 seconds."] 00:26 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:32 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-52-140.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:13 -!- mason_l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:28 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-30-101.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:24 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-24-21-45-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-52-140.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:44 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-52-140.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:16 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-44-168.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-52-140.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:53 -!- Trooem [i=Trooem@121.172.10.138] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:00 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-30-101.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:52 -!- Noahj [n=noah@ip98-182-59-157.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:53 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-44-168.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:33 -!- Trooem [i=Trooem@121.172.10.138] has quit [] 07:58 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- Trooem [i=Trooem@121.172.10.138] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:32 < kanzure> hello nchaimov 09:09 -!- Trooem [i=Trooem@121.172.10.138] has quit [] 10:07 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-44-175.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:08 < genehacker> kanzure on the .yaml files for skdb, could SKDB use the equations in the parameters section to solve for values in them? 10:09 < genehacker> as in I put the equation s_fm= (kE^n)/(n+1) in the parameters 10:09 < genehacker> change s to sigma 10:10 < genehacker> could SKDB solve for n? 10:10 < genehacker> if it was asked to? 10:10 < genehacker> or do I need to write another equation for that? 10:11 < genehacker> also, I'm beginning to think we really need a program that can read graphs 10:13 < genehacker> anyway, I'm going to put a .yaml in for metal extrusion(cold for now, hot maybe) by the end of the day 10:15 < genehacker> I'd also like to know how to tell SKDB that the yield stress of the extrusion die needs to be less than the extrusion pressure for extrusion to work 11:01 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r c4b1362 /doc/ (compile_pythonOCC hacking): updated the installation guide to reflect pythonOCC 0.3 11:01 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r e33545e / (.gitignore config.yaml core/settings.py doc/hacking readme): revamped skdb settings and configuration to use config.yaml 11:05 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:06 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-44-175.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:08 < kanzure> yeah i want to do a demo/example of solving equations with parameters 11:09 < kanzure> we've been using python "templates" to fill out equations with variables. example: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/screw.py 11:09 < kanzure> pipette information 11:09 < kanzure> ANSI/SBS 1-2004: Footprint Dimensions: http://www.sbsonline.com/msdc/pdf/ANSI_SBS_1-2004.pdf 11:09 < kanzure> ANSI/SBS 2-2004: Height Dimensions: http://www.sbsonline.com/msdc/pdf/ANSI_SBS_2-2004.pdf 11:10 < kanzure> ANSI/SBS 3-2004: Bottom Outside Flange Dimensions: http://www.sbsonline.com/msdc/pdf/ANSI_SBS_3-2004.pdf 11:10 < kanzure> ANSI/SBS 4-2004: Well Positions: http://www.sbsonline.com/msdc/pdf/ANSI_SBS_4-2004.pdf 11:18 < kanzure> there is 90 GB free on adl.serveftp.org (davinci). heybryan.org/books/Biology/ is 85 GB. what do people want on the server? 11:21 < kanzure> Manufacturing is 25 GB 11:41 < kanzure> http://mrflip.com/resources/austin/genie.JPG 11:53 < kanzure> "teachers as sickness brokers for ADHD" http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0030182 12:31 -!- tnazmul [n=Tanin_Na@146.6.84.133] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:37 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/component-list/component_terms.yaml 12:37 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/component-list/interfaces.yaml 12:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/lego/grammar.yaml 12:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/lego/data.yaml 12:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/data.yaml 12:48 < ybit> got to love how when you try to get a conversation back on track, it ends 12:48 < ybit> (diy sem/fib) 12:49 < ybit> maybe i'll post a few more things about it though 12:49 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/core/supplemental_units.dat 12:53 * ybit prefers cheetah over mako 12:54 < ybit> atm 12:56 < kanzure> ybit: rsync has been configured on davinci, enjoy 12:56 < kanzure> the rsync name is "papers" 12:56 < kanzure> please use something like this: rsync --verbose --times --progress --stats --compress --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh --recursive --times --perms --links --delete --exclude "*bak" --exclude "*~" . bryan@adl:papers 12:57 < kanzure> and you probably want to change the last two parameters 12:57 < kanzure> actually, switch it the other way around 12:57 < kanzure> ybit@adl.serveftp.org:papers /path/to/your/folder/ 12:58 < ybit> gracias 12:58 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/ for more fun 13:12 < kanzure> doesn't seem to be working for me. 13:12 < kanzure> i have new local files but it doesn't upload them? 13:27 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["leaving"] 13:27 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:27 -!- tnazmul [n=Tanin_Na@146.6.84.133] has quit ["Leaving."] 13:34 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 13:35 < ybit> kanzure: is this you? http://groups.google.com/group/skdb/ 13:40 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:42 < Phreedom> hi guys 13:47 < ybit> oi Phreedom 13:55 < kanzure> ybit: not to my knowledge 14:02 < ybit> odd 14:10 < ybit> kanzure: first project being developed for skdb? 14:10 < kanzure> my guess was thermocycler, but then i remembered dave rauchwerk's project 14:11 < kanzure> in particular the whiteboard drawing pulley thinger 14:11 < kanzure> i don't remember what these are technically identified as 14:11 < kanzure> maybe "cool toy" 14:18 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-172-171.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:20 < ybit> kanzure: which thermocycler? 14:20 < ybit> there have been so many mentioned on diybio 14:20 < ybit> hi genehacker 14:27 < kanzure> ybit: well, it would have a lightbulb 14:27 < kanzure> hm why are these folks implementing STEP for an ARM processor? 14:38 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-172-171.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:55 -!- Noahj [n=noah@ip98-182-59-157.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:04 < katsmeow-afk> how to get $875 million in usa .gov loans for your projects : 1) call them "electric vehicle oem", 2) read http://www.abcnews.go.com/Business/print?id=8901510 17:13 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-44-175.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:38 < genehacker> kanzure, you wouldn't happen to have an inventory of tools in the ME machine shop would you 17:41 -!- strages_ is now known as strages 18:29 < kanzure> genehacker: no :( 18:32 < genehacker> dang 18:33 < genehacker> I forgot how to use the lathe 18:33 < genehacker> or at least what lever does the feedrate 18:33 < kanzure> the levers are stupid 18:33 < kanzure> i couldn't stop laughing when the machinist was showing me it 18:34 < genehacker> that lathe doesn't make sense 18:35 < kanzure> aren't they all like that? 18:38 < genehacker> anyway I want to make some stuff on the lathe 18:38 < genehacker> oh shit 18:39 < genehacker> I think I know why I was having trouble machining stuff 18:39 < genehacker> I was trying to machine pure aluminium 18:40 < genehacker> you know what I'm wondering? 18:41 < genehacker> how the heck did they machine weird curved stuff before CNC machines and tracing machines? 18:46 < kanzure> stan on diybio gave a nice PCR purification protocol.. but wouldn't the ethanol destroy the DNA? 18:46 < kanzure> genehacker: a jig probably 18:47 < kanzure> genehacker: feel free to take an inventory of the ME machine shop. 18:47 < kanzure> it would also be pretty cool to know which brands/model-numbers they are using down their 18:47 < ybit> no django, si? 18:47 < ybit> all cherrypy now.. 18:47 < genehacker> also, I think a reprap might be able to make anything indirectly 18:48 < kanzure> ybit: yes, just cherrypy 18:48 < genehacker> where's that PCR protocol? 18:48 < kanzure> but to be honest that doesn't mean much[Bin an email from stan. it wasn't for PCR. 18:48 < kanzure> blah 18:48 < kanzure> in an email from stan. it was n't for PCR. 18:49 < kanzure> jfajfadl;f so apparently i can't type 18:49 * ybit is wanting to work on the wiki and have it running tonight 18:49 < kanzure> which wiki? 18:49 < ybit> was afk, 18:49 < ybit> um.. didn't know there were more than one 18:49 < genehacker> it looks like he wants to sell PCR stuf 18:50 < ybit> the skdb wiki?... 18:50 < genehacker> also, drazak said that the problem with pcr is getting it consistent 18:50 < kanzure> so which part is going to be all "wikied out" and which part isn't? 18:50 < ybit> ya know, what djangit was supposed to be 18:50 < kanzure> the way that i was thinking of doing it was let different views exist on site.com/package/lego/blah/yaml 18:50 < kanzure> and then you could do something like: site.com/package/lego/blah/edit 18:50 < kanzure> well i don't know if every page is supposed to be editable or not 18:51 < kanzure> it would certainly rock if that was the case but 18:51 < kanzure> consider editing python over the web maybe 18:51 < ybit> that would be a pita 18:51 < kanzure> perhaps that's not the best idea? since that would let them load up code immediately 18:51 < kanzure> and to be honest, i don't think anyone is going to dump instructions like that anyway :p 18:52 < kanzure> maybe they will. who knows. 18:52 < kanzure> what if we let people upload instructions in a cheetah template 18:53 < kanzure> this way, parametric instructions are still possible (since cheetah can have some logic embedded in it) 18:53 < kanzure> ideally the logic would never be in the template but i don't think this is going to be the case 18:54 < kanzure> oh wait, i forgot 18:54 < drazak> /q genehacker 18:54 < drazak> er, sorry 18:54 < kanzure> so yeah, let them upload whatever they want there 18:54 < kanzure> package maintainers can come by and scoop it and polish it up 18:55 < kanzure> anywho, i don't know how to relate this to the wiki model 18:56 < kanzure> yes everyone should be able to edit any piece of data in any package if they want to 18:58 < kanzure> no, not everyone wants to use your stupid changes to the cnc machine package 18:58 < kanzure> (gah got disconnected) 18:59 < kanzure> so how do you sandbox changes but let certain users pick certain commits for their usage? 18:59 < kanzure> say you go in and you edit the lego package 19:00 < kanzure> and you want to add a new custom lego piece to the lego package library of parts 19:00 < kanzure> now, you might be a total moron (or you might not be) and you add something 19:00 < kanzure> a package maintainer, sometime in the unknown future, would come by and yell at you and totally laugh at it 19:00 < kanzure> the reason you put it there in the first place was so that you could use it 19:00 < kanzure> so supposedly you want to go include it in another project maybe 19:01 < kanzure> and using the skdb package creation wizard (which doesn't exist yet) i guess you would specify the commit hash of your latest changes to it? how would this work 19:03 < kanzure> i guess it could be like github: you clone/fork the entire part, and then make your changes, and refer to your clone 19:03 < kanzure> different distributions will have different versions of parts 19:03 < kanzure> so "skdb main" will have whatever the skdb package maintenance task force super team decides is "suitable for use" 19:04 < kanzure> but others might want to use a distribution of parts that are from the bleeding edge of the iron presses 19:05 < kanzure> site.com/distrib/main/, site.com/distrib/kanzure/screw/catalog/yaml, and then site.com/package/screw/catalog/yaml would really be like going to site.com/distrib/main/ 19:05 < kanzure> ok cool 19:06 < kanzure> can anyone poke a hole in that 19:06 < kanzure> the "distribution" would be specified in the package metadata. "this package is part of the __blah__ distribution" (in less words) 19:11 < ybit> " the skdb package maintenance task force super team" made me laugh :) 19:11 * ybit was playing around with hatta just now 19:12 < ybit> trying to figure out the default template to work for our needs 19:12 < kanzure> default template is "plain text" my friend.. 19:15 < kanzure> why would people use this site again? 19:20 < kanzure> do people actually use thingiverse for anything? jeebus 19:22 < kanzure> genehacker: why do you use thingiverse 19:25 < kanzure> "I used to tell people I was majoring in 'nuclear forestry' and watch 19:25 < kanzure> their faces puzzle over that. " 19:25 < ybit> the only reason i come back to a site is a:) i've yet to download it or b:) i'm too lazy to open a terminal 19:25 < kanzure> ybit: have you ever met a machinist? 19:25 < ybit> and i just feel like clicking away for a few mins 19:25 < kanzure> a real one 19:25 < ybit> yeah :) 19:25 < kanzure> (not like fenn) 19:26 < kanzure> they can't even open a file 19:26 < ybit> yup 19:26 < kanzure> so, again, why are people using thingiverse 19:26 < ybit> then again there are machinists on linuxcnc and cnczone 19:26 < kanzure> i said not like fenn :) 19:27 < ybit> then there are a bunch of fenn clones running around the web it seems 19:27 < kanzure> cnczone is a weird anomaly, where woodworkers intersect the internet or something and signals cross (things explode) 19:27 < kanzure> why are people using instructables, for that matter 19:27 < kanzure> oh lookie i have a giant fucking