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00:13 < ybit> note to self: don't try create a 3000x3000 image with my pre-historic machine
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03:48 < kanzure> ybit: link?
03:48 < kanzure> not to the 3000x3000 image
03:56  * bkero  eats babies.
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04:37 < ybit> kanzure: check out http://freefab.org
04:37 < ybit> skdb.freefab.org even goes to what was on dokuwiki
04:37 < Utopiah> :)
04:38  * ybit doesn't know what to think of the smiley face
04:38 < ybit> anywho, it's ugly and needs some a little css and templating, but i think it's a lot better than telling people to go to adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb
04:40 < ybit> it's hosted on the server space that bkero hooked me up with, only because i knew it would be much quicker than having to deal with virtual hosts on adl
04:40  * Utopiah explains his ":)"
04:41 < Utopiah> it was a positive expression often referred as a smile, it meant that I found motivating a more visually appealing entry page and a little demo
04:42 < ybit> yay, one person who likes the somewhat better but still ugly site
04:43 < Utopiah> ybit: a sequential process like A->B->C->Result! would make me like it even more
04:43 < ybit> Utopiah: working on that :)
04:43 < Utopiah> (even if incorrectly simple, it should provide a good start for people to dig deeper)
04:43 < Utopiah> nice
04:44 < ybit> right now, i need to put in a sticky footer and get a few css kinks knocked out
04:45 < ybit> then templating and moving away from html for awhile 
05:06 < ybit> i figured the #skdb mailing list would be better suited for skdb specific questions and perhaps avoid a few poems in the process
05:06 < ybit> #skdb might be better suited for the skdb program later on as it matures
05:07 < ybit> or not, just have to see how things evolve
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10:28 < Utopiah> ybit: so, when can I add a "build" (instead of print) link on my wiki so that it will generate the object base on the TeX schema?
10:34 < Utopiah> ( instead of merely rendering visuals with http://www.ctan.org/ )
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10:57 < ybit> Utopiah: when you build it? ;)
10:57 < ybit> but keeping coming up with ideas, i'll try my best implement as many as possible :-)
10:58 < Utopiah> then simply make modules for MediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/PmWiki with the "Build with SKDB" option that would send the description to an SKDB web service
10:58 < ybit> kanzure: i'll be coming down on thursday for sure
11:00 < Utopiah> (would make a great promotion system I think)
11:00 < ybit> indeed 
11:01 < Utopiah> by default it would query the SKDB web service but a configuration variable would allow to use a local instance
11:01 < Utopiah> (or instead of "SKDB web service" at least an explanation on installing your local instance)
11:06 < ybit> Utopiah: do we want a promotion system though :P
11:06 < ybit> We therefore argue that for increasing
11:06 < ybit> the reliability of research it is essential to assess the negative
11:06 < ybit> effects of popularity and develop approaches to diminish these
11:06 < ybit> effects."""
11:06 < ybit> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005996
11:08 < ybit> just don't be popular, duh ;)
11:09 < Utopiah> ybit: s/promotion/more efficient networking of creators/ ?
11:10 < Utopiah> because you can imagine that everytime someone use the wiki button it logs the query on the web service and generate a link back thus indexing the design making it available for the rest of the community, no?
11:13 < Utopiah> (sidenote : I don't think popularity correlates with success eiter)
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12:19 < ybit> 2hi genehacker, kanzure 
12:19 < ybit> kardan|: 
12:20 < kardan|> hi!
12:44 < ybit> :)
12:44 < ybit> how's it going kardan|?
12:44 < ybit> what have you been up to lately?
12:45 < kardan|> haha got the swine flue
12:46 < ybit> eek, you know this wouln't happen if we would just eat more bacon ;)
12:47 < ybit> i.e. kill the pigs!
12:47 < kardan|> or chickens
12:48 < ybit> that too
12:49 < kardan|> ja, but its ok. not that high feaver i just cant concentrate very much. listening to news mostly
12:50 < ybit> you could give suggestions on how to make http://freefab.org not look so damn ugly
12:50 < ybit> trying to figure out how to make the text more readable and less like it was just thrown up (which it was)
13:04 < kardan|> the links could be clouds right of freefab
13:05 < kardan|> sudo apt-get me a sandwich should be a subtitle below freefab, so people know what the side is about
13:06 < kardan|> make the script a download able file
13:08 < kardan|> and if you have nice pictures put them on the start page
13:10 < kardan|> if you like I could do some ajax stuff for loading pages when hovering a link
13:10 < kardan|> by the way i like the winter header, its easy to pimp
13:11 < Utopiah> (Technology Review: Blogs: TR Editors' blog: Neural Prostheses Go Wireless http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24263/ October 19, 2009)
13:13 < kardan|> will be afk for some
13:14 < ybit> thanks for the suggestions kardan| 
14:03 < kanzure> ybit: the web2.0 font of choice is "arial"
14:03 < kanzure> and you're terrible at css it turns out
14:03 < kanzure> also why are you not using web.py?
14:12 < ybit> 14:03 < kanzure> and you're terrible at css it turns out
14:12 < ybit> haha, yep
14:13 < ybit> 14:03 < kanzure> also why are you not using web.py?
14:14 < ybit> because i'm just putting something up, not worrying about the underlying framework
14:14 < ybit> quicker for me that way
14:20 < ybit> ah, i see what you mean, the navbar is all over the sun atm
14:21 < kanzure> why is there a sun?
14:22 < ybit> there was no artistic direction really, that's why. "powered by"/sun...maybe?..dunno
14:40 < kanzure> does anyone else in here do css? i used to do pretty websites, but i just don't care anymore
14:41 < kanzure> any active css people i guess
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15:01 < ybit> the header doesn't look so shitty now
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15:19 < kanzure> so apparently the fix to my connectivity problem was "replace the coaxial cable with other coxial cable"
15:20 < ybit> what was wrong with the other one?
15:20 < kanzure> that is a good question
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15:30 < ybit> fenn: you're back from your training with turtle master roshi in the galapagos! w00t :)
15:31 < ybit> not much has happened since you left, i finally got paths.py to work and last night i worked on http://freefab.org which is hosting a bunch of skdb stuff
15:31 < ybit> did you enjoy your triP/
15:32 < fenn> what's the "precision positioning system" on freefab wiki.html
15:32 < ybit> that's Phreedom 
15:32 < fenn> a word of advice: don't buy peppermint ice cream
15:32 < kanzure> see i told you
15:33 < ybit> ?
15:33 < ybit> did i give you guys mint ice cream?
15:33 < fenn> ybit why did you send an empty hard drive?
15:34 < fenn> the industry term for that is "dead heading"
15:35 < ybit> i think i asked kanzure which would be better if i sent the hdd to him directly or if i retrieved over the interwebs, he decided mailing it would probably be easier
15:35 < kanzure> ybit: to be honest i have no way of easily transfering a terabyte over the web
15:35 < fenn> neither does anyone
15:37 < ybit> the whole point is to get the h+ archive going
15:38 < fenn> did anyone else see that?
15:39 < fenn> hmm ok it's dropping the connection or something
15:39 < fenn> 8% packet loss .. meh
15:39 < Phreedom> hey I transferred 1.2 TB last month ;)
15:40 < kanzure> i don't have anything on a fast connection that has more than 1 TB wired up, is what i mean
15:40 < Phreedom> oh
15:40 < Phreedom> but it's a regular home connection
15:40 < kanzure> ybit: i'm willing to do ajax. i think you should stick to doing graphics.
15:41 < ybit> :(
15:41 < kanzure> sorry
15:41 < ybit> alright
15:41 < ybit> that's fine with me
15:41 < kanzure> why does everyone suck at css? i mean everyone
15:41 < kanzure> anyway, what did you want to implement today?
15:41 < Phreedom> ajax? why not do everything in flash? :P
15:41 < kanzure> Phreedom: hi
15:41 < fenn> why not make everything a .bmp file
15:42 < kanzure> yeah a giant .bmp
15:42 < ybit> html5 and css3 should be taking care of javascript anytime soon now
15:42 < kanzure> 12000x12000
15:42 < fenn> and use hypercard for sound effects
15:42 < Phreedom> and put it into a word file
15:42 < kanzure> but with a password
15:42 < fenn> can you rot-13 encode a .bmp?
15:42 < kanzure> sure!
15:43 < kanzure> fenn: can you upload your inventory examples now?
15:43 < fenn> it's in skdb/inventory/schema.*
15:44 < fenn> erm. skdb/inventory/data/schema.*
15:45 < kanzure> schema.yaml looks overly verbose for something that's supposed to just be temporary until someone finds that their tool is represented in a package somewhere
15:46 < fenn> right
15:46 < fenn> like i said, i was confused
15:47 < kanzure> i have had a hard time getting people to type up their inventories
15:47 < kanzure> even when i offer, it's still a challenge to get people to agree
15:47 < kanzure> les was overly excited for me to do it but he's on the other side of the distribution somewhere :p
15:48 < kanzure> so i bet most people don't have a ready-made inventory
15:48 < kanzure> and even then, they don't like doing it
15:48 < kanzure> so at best i think we can expect a list of tools
15:48 < kanzure> sometimes terribly named
15:48 < fenn> yeah like 'milwaukee 26 incher'
15:48 < kanzure> most of the time the names mean something to the person who typed it / called out the name
15:48 < kanzure> but it's hard to figure out what it is
15:48 < kanzure> it would be neat if we could disambiguate the names
15:49 < kanzure> "here's a picture. is this what you meant?"
15:49 < kanzure> "click: [yes] [no] [go away]"
15:49 < fenn> that's not a bad idea
15:50 < kanzure> i need some edge cases for testing. people call things by many different names
15:50 < kanzure> heh get one shop full of tools and have people walk through it and name the stuff
15:50 < fenn> one of the hardest parts of maintaining a database is dealing with identical records
15:50 < kanzure> i bet we'll get different results
15:50 < kanzure> what?
15:50 < kanzure> how hard could it be to check stuff off a list?
15:51 < fenn> you'll get "sammy sosa" "samual sosa" "samuel sosa" "samuel j. sosa" etc
15:52 < kanzure> "26 inch blade saw" "sears wood-extreme-elite blade saw" "sears saw" "george coleman saw"
15:52 < kanzure> (george coleman does a band saw, right?)
15:52 < fenn> sure why not
15:52 < kanzure> "my saw will make your juices flow or your money back"
15:53 < fenn> wait are you talking about the george foreman grill?
15:53 < kanzure> ah george foreman.
15:53 < fenn> "the juices drip into this specially engineered patented drip catcher"
15:53 < kanzure> "woodchucks fly past your face at an unpredecented patented 400 miles per hour"
15:54 < fenn> steam-powered chucker?
15:55 < kanzure> no, nuclear
15:57 < kanzure> fenn: where does a scroll (scrowl?) saw go in the taxonomy? 
16:04 < fenn> reciprocating cutter
16:05 < fenn> um wrong ontolog
16:05 < fenn> multi-point cutter
16:15 < kanzure> i need to make a skeleton package creation tool (less than a wizard)
16:15 < kanzure> then inventory is turned into particular skdb package skeletons, unless a package can be pre-identified as matching
16:16 < kanzure> it should be left as "unidentified" until later so that lots of random, useless packages don't happen
16:18 < genehacker> nuclear powered wood chucker?
16:18 < genehacker> what else did I miss?
16:18 < kanzure> nuclear->steam
16:19 < genehacker> scroll saw goes under cutting
16:19 < genehacker> I just used one, and apparently I needed special permission to use it today
16:19 < genehacker> oops
16:20 < genehacker> anyway are you working on making the manufacturing taxonomy tree bloom?
16:21 < kanzure> fenn: also i was using this idea of 'distributions' of packages. the main distribution should include stable packages. another one should be partial packages that are useless skeletons and junk
16:21 < kanzure> this is especially useful on the web when people commit changes to packages and we don't want them fucking up everything in the system
16:21 < kanzure> (but they still want to use *their* latest changes)
16:22 < genehacker> and would it be legal to scan pictures from my materials processing textbook and put them into  SKDB, so people can actually understand the porcesses
16:22 < kanzure> no but if you scan them one of us can turn it into an svg diagram
16:23 < genehacker> what do you mean by svg diagram?
16:23 < genehacker> what if I color it?
16:23 < kanzure> svg is a way of reprsenting graphics with vector art
16:23 < genehacker> that's what my dynamics textbook did, paint over other pictures to make them look slightly different
16:23 < genehacker> or at least I think so
16:25 < fenn> yeah there should be a package readiness level
16:26 < fenn> but a better name than that
16:26 < kanzure> i think separating them by distributions is important too
16:26 < kanzure> so both a readiness level and a place to put them
16:26 < kanzure> there's no reason ten thousand skeletons should be in the main distribution, everyone will always be wondering why nothing works
16:26 < genehacker> anyway could you write a program that allows you to click on parts of the taxonomy tree and opens up the corresponding yaml and displays the information in an easy to read format?
16:27 < kanzure> yes
16:27 < fenn> it's called code folding
16:27 < genehacker> good
16:27 < fenn> anyway, that's the plan
16:27 < kanzure> it's the next big thing from 30 years ago
16:28 < genehacker> could you also write a program that makes it easy to write .yaml files for the tree?
16:28 < kanzure> genehacker: fenn hasn't seen your files
16:28 < genehacker> if you do both of these things, then I have crazy idea for filling in the tree
16:28 < genehacker> the casting.yaml is the only one I have
16:29 < kanzure> he hasn't seen it
16:29 < fenn> yaml is already so easy i'm afraid of what would happen if we tried to make it easier (bloat)
16:29 < fenn> is it in git?
16:29 < kanzure> no
16:29 < kanzure> it was on pastebin somewhere
16:29 < fenn> thanks a bunch
16:30 < kanzure> sorry i don't memorize pastebin links :p
16:31 < genehacker> I want to make SKDB look like a useful study tool for materials processing and get my friends addicted to it
16:31 < fenn> that was more directed at genehacker
16:31 < genehacker> and then implement a program that makes people add knowledge to it
16:31 < fenn> is materials processing like mining technology?
16:31 < genehacker> no
16:32 < genehacker> materials processing is manufacturing processes to turn materials into products from raw materials like plastic, metals, ceramic powder, etc
16:32 < genehacker> basically it's studying almost everything in your manufacturing taxonomy
16:33 < fenn> bleh
16:33 < fenn> 'something happens'
16:34 < genehacker> anyway
16:34 < genehacker> http://pastebin.com/md593f2c
16:34 < genehacker> am I doing it right?
16:34 < genehacker> I'm going to try to do wire drawing right now
16:35 < genehacker> as in make a .yaml for it
16:36 < genehacker> can I put greek symbols in yaml?
16:36 < fenn> please only ascii
16:37 < kanzure> i think it barfed on unicode once? i don't recall
16:37 < fenn> it ought to work but it will mess up units
16:37 < fenn> and i don't really see the need
16:38 < genehacker> ok so I'll put everything in ascii then
16:38 < kanzure> how do we match names to different packages? maybe each package could have a list of aliases for its parts?
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16:40 < genehacker> link to the taxonomy file again?
16:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/processes.yaml
16:48 < genehacker> no the taxonomy tree
17:00 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/taxonomy.yaml
17:02 < fenn> genehacker: what does this mean? geometry: 7, R,B,S,T,F,Sp,U
17:03 < genehacker> it's a geometry classification from my book
17:04 < fenn> could you scan that in low-res for me?
17:04 < fenn> or find an equivalent link online explaining it
17:06 < genehacker> hold on
17:07 < genehacker> http://imgur.com/KOeOi
17:07 < genehacker> it's all here
17:08 < genehacker> first number is spatial complexity value and the letters are geometry descriptions
17:19 < genehacker> ok I finished the .yaml for wire drawing, how can I post it on skdb?
17:25 < kanzure> two ways: email, or figure out how to use git and commit it
17:26 < ybit> took me awhile, but i've realize mochikit is the way to go for ajax... waiting on the cherrypy essentials book to download as it supposedly has a decent section on mochikit integration
17:27  * ybit was going to just use php and jquery
17:28 < genehacker> I'll just email it for now?
17:30 < genehacker> ok sent
17:32 < ybit> kardan|: hows about you save me sometime and do the ajax loading for me, aye? :)
17:34 < kanzure> what ajax loading do you need done, ybit?
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17:34 < timschmidt> hi all
17:34  * kanzure points out that he has done ajax bullshit in the past
17:35 < timschmidt> kanzure asked me to drop in and relay a bit of conversation we've had.
17:36 < timschmidt> first conversation: http://pastebin.com/m73a19727
17:37 < timschmidt> second: http://pastebin.com/m68421155
17:42 < ybit> thanks timschmidt 
17:42 < timschmidt> np
17:42 < ybit> btw, how's it going?
17:43 < ybit> you, your project, anything else that the question may pertaini to
17:43 < timschmidt> excellent.  The MiRUG group has printed off a few new extruders, and we've met twice this month.  We're meeting again tomorrow.  We should have three, maybe 4 fully functional repstraps tomorrow.
17:44 < fenn> i was calling them 'skills'
17:44 < fenn> sourceforge has a skill ontology which rather sucks, and is mostly about computer stuff
17:44 < timschmidt> we're meeting for the first time in a high school metalshop that's fully equipped with CNC mills, waterjet, lathes, etc.
17:44 < fenn> i'm sure there are better systems for describing what a person knows how to do
17:44 < timschmidt> fenn: fair enough.
17:45 < ybit> kanzure: grr, why didn't this highlight when you mentioned my name. i was thinking that the four main pages "faq", "skdb", "install", and "wiki/share" would just be a simple transition, no reloading/loading required
17:45 < timschmidt> I think defining points and force vectors sucks...  something better would be amazing.
17:45 < kanzure> ybit: that's easy to do without ajax
17:45 < fenn> timschmidt: i was thinking of looking at various role playing systems for inspiration (dungeon and dragons or gurps)
17:45 < kanzure> ybit: you can do that with something known as css "visibility"
17:45 < ybit> hah, what's with you knowing css :P
17:45 < kanzure> ybit: so encapsulate the content in a div element with a custom class name, and set style="visibility:hidden"
17:46 < fenn> timschmidt: the original idea was to be able to translate between human and robot movements if necessary
17:47 < kanzure> then you can have a javascript action somewhere in a link element's href to say, or maybe in the onclick attribute, javascript:document.getElementById("class name here").visibility="show" or something
17:47 < fenn> timschmidt: but telling a human 'move z -0.15 meters' doesn't really work (as much as kanzure would like it to)
17:47 < genehacker> ugh so you got rid of the robot part?
17:47 < genehacker> oh
17:47 < timschmidt> fenn: agreed entirely.
17:47 < ybit> kanzure: that's ajax
17:48 < kanzure> no it's not
17:48 < kanzure> ajax uses XmlHttpRequest
17:48 < kanzure> blah why do i know this
17:49 < timschmidt> fenn: As much as I like the idea of being able to translate from one set of instructions into N different sets intended for humans, computers, etc.  I don't think it's realistic.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  I think a much more realistic system would allow humans to do the translation ahead of time, package all the various ways of saying the same thing together into a single package, and allow skdb...
17:49 < timschmidt> ...to determine which set you want at runtime.
17:50 < kanzure> sentence planning algorithms can re-arrange a sentence for you, or even paragraphs
17:50 < kanzure> i.e. SPUD
17:50 < kanzure> http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/~mdstone/nlg.html
17:50 < kanzure> but you have to encode the information in a computational representation (it doesn't take a sentence as input)
17:51 < kanzure> but you shouldn't have to be a computational linguist to write instructions for skdb
17:51 < timschmidt> There's a big difference between exploiting the deterministic nature of a language, and speaking said language.
17:51 < kanzure> so?
17:52 < timschmidt> I guess I'm implying that it would take a full-blown AI to properly translate from a master set of instructions suitable for computer consumption into an adequate human-readable set.
17:52 < timschmidt> but I could easily be wrong.
17:52 < fenn> timschmidt: i just been reading the first one.. "how to represent pouring epoxy into a screw shaped mold" should be no more difficult than any other process representation
17:53 < fenn> there's already thread-rolling, which is in no way a sequence of vector movements or whatever
17:53 < timschmidt> hobbing too
17:54  * ybit was afk, kanzure, you're right, but over the past couple of years, javascript has been immediately associated with ajax in my head
17:54 < ybit> attempt #2 at cooking and not forgetting about it
17:54  * fenn monitors his rice processing ... process
17:55 < timschmidt> my $20 rice process is self-monitoring.
17:55  * ybit has been playing around with wordnet as well, but not for that purpose
17:59 < genehacker> wait you're using sentences as input?
18:00 < fenn> "a 'motion object' may specify several different targets, and have instructions for each. One target could be a CNC machine"   is similar to STEP-NC (at least the philosophy)
18:00 < fenn> STEP-NC stores both the generic source data and the machine-specific trajectories in the same file
18:00 < fenn> (one or both may be missing)
18:00 < genehacker> heck I could just send you a copy of my notes and you could use that make .yamls
18:01 < fenn> there's an intermediate representation called 'cutter location file' which derives from APT (the CAM language)
18:01 < kanzure> ambiguity much?
18:01 < fenn> me?
18:01 < kanzure> APT
18:01 < fenn> "APT (the CAM language)" ought to be specific enough
18:02 < kanzure> yes but what were they thinking?
18:02 < kanzure> either them or the other guys
18:02 < kanzure> nevermind
18:02 < fenn> those damn 1950's engineers ought to know better!
18:02 < fenn> 'automatically programmed tools' has a nice ring to it though
18:02 < timschmidt> In my head, I was thinking of standard debian packages containing translated description text for different written languages.  Same thing.
18:02 < kanzure> yes
18:03 < fenn> can anyone explain the reason behind a small frying pan?
18:03 < fenn> why not just have two big frying pans?
18:03 < timschmidt> small fries?
18:04 < timschmidt> (I'll go stand in the corner now)
18:05 < fenn> it was a good try
18:07 < genehacker> small frying pans allow for frying in smaller spaces
18:09 < timschmidt> like here: http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/
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18:14 < timschmidt> Only tangentially related to the group, but I bought one of these recently: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45861
18:16 < timschmidt> amazing amount of useful information here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9x20Lathe/
18:16 < timschmidt> and here: http://www.bedair.org/9x20camlock/9x20project.html
18:19 < genehacker> ok finished .yaml for extrusion, sending to kanzure
18:20 < timschmidt> also, one of the best write-ups on CNC conversion I've read anywhere: http://ns2.huboftheearth.com/9x20/Engineering9x20_CNC.html
18:29 < ybit> Im an German Computer Scientist Student.
18:29 < ybit> We use this group for a Database Developing
18:29 < ybit> Project. SKDB is a german acronym for
18:29 < ybit> Special chapters (German "Kapitel") of Databases.
18:29 < ybit> Therfore i'm not able and willing to close this
18:29 < ybit> group.
18:29 < ybit> yours faithfully
18:29 < ybit> Martin Papenfuß
18:29 < ybit> Heath Matlock schrieb:
18:29 < ybit> Hi, what is this group for? We have a similar project, and we would really like to use this mailing list's group url name.
18:29 < ybit> the skdb mailing list
18:30 < genehacker> mailing groups are so 90s
18:30 < ybit> genehacker: mind pasting the yaml?
18:30 < genehacker> we could just start a google group instead
18:31 < ybit> lol
18:31  * ybit doesn't explain 
18:31 < genehacker> sure
18:31 < ybit> thank you
18:32 < ybit> timschmidt: http://ns2.huboftheearth.com/9x20/Engineering9x20_CNC.html  is down or is that the wrong address?
18:33 < genehacker> updated it just now too
18:33 < fenn> ns2. sounds like a nameserver
18:33 < fenn> probably a screwy address
18:34 < genehacker> http://pastebin.com/m782ebb23
18:34 < genehacker> extrusion
18:34 < fenn> looks like the page used to be at nerdulator.net
18:35 < genehacker> http://pastebin.com/d41661c22
18:35 < ybit> http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:3sXxM9k3UwIJ:ns2.huboftheearth.com/9x20/cnc.html+ngineering9x20_CNC.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a
18:36 < fenn> when are spammers going to start impersonating polite, intelligent, netiquette-aware people with interesting things to say?
18:37 < genehacker> I'm going to start on rolling.yaml, but I'd like to know where I can put information sendzimir rolls and different roller configurations
18:38 < fenn> if something is significantly different, it should be its own process
18:38 < genehacker> and fenn, sheet, structural, and foil rolling don't really differ that much from eachother
18:38 < fenn> yeah but thread rolling is different
18:39 < genehacker> if you mean structural rolling as rolling out shapes then it would be different
18:40 < genehacker> but as far as I can tell sheet and foil rolling really don't differ that much
18:42 < genehacker> hmm... if you mean aluminum foil rolling, it's a little different in that the final rolling step runs 2 ply sheets through the rollers, but mathematically it looks the same as sheet rolling
18:43 < genehacker> though the foil ends up with a rough side and shiny side
18:44 < fenn> yeah i knkow
18:51 < genehacker> ok then
19:07 < bkero> http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/fall.jpg <-- sidewalk in front of my apartment
19:09 < fenn> nice photo.. makes you wonder why they bother running gasoline powered blowers in front of your window at 9 am every day
19:11 < genehacker> because people could slip on the leaves and fall and sue the people not blowing away the leaves for not blowing away the leaves
19:12 < genehacker> hmmm... can we have an obvious hazard classification for safety in process files?
19:12 < fenn> maybe they should sue the people slipping and falling on leaves for slipping and falling on leaves
19:12 < kanzure> what classification does MSDS use for hazards?
19:12 < kanzure> they have a system i think
19:12 < genehacker> because the hazard in rolling is pretty obvious
19:12 < bkero> Nobody runs blowers around here
19:13 < fenn> lucky
19:13 < genehacker> don't stick finger in rolling mill because it will proceed to decrease the thickness of it
19:13 < fenn> 'moving parts' not good enough?
19:14 < genehacker> ok
19:14 < genehacker> that's good enough
19:15 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/m3280f611
19:15 < ybit> when running python demo.py in the lego package
19:25 < ybit> meh, demo.py runs fine
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20:17 < ybit> fenn, kanzure: default package view mockup from the lego or screw package.. what are you guys wanting exactly?
20:19 < fenn> i was hoping to do more of a bottom-up 'prettifying', and then put things together in various ways at the end
20:19 < fenn> javascript code folding is a good start though
20:23 < kanzure> ybit: put in a happy yellow lego brick somewhere :p
20:25 < ybit> grr, one computer sucks 
20:25 < ybit> guess i will go watch the history channel for a bit :\ (no science channel for me *frowney*)
20:26  * ybit actually hasn't watched t.v. in ages
20:26 < ybit> http://freefab.org/wiki.html
20:27 < ybit> kanzure: you are wanting me to make a brick and save the cad file somewhere?
20:28 < ybit> we are have one of those iirc..
20:28 < ybit> s/are/already
21:25 < timschmidt> ybit: the page is working for me
21:37 < kanzure> no i want you to show a picture of the screenshots we have
21:37 < kanzure> er
21:37 < kanzure> the idea was to show an image of the cad file on the package pages and part pages
22:39 < genehacker> do you have any cad files to show images of?
22:43 < kanzure> yes we have legos
22:43 < kanzure> i thought that's what the mockup page would be?
22:50 < genehacker> ok
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23:43 < ybit> oh okay
23:43  * ybit needs a laptop -_-
23:43 < ybit> mythbusters was on, so it wasn't too bad