--- Day changed Sun Oct 25 2009 00:14 < ybit> 00:12 what file takes the yaml and converts it to step? 00:14 < ybit> 00:13 does it exist... 00:14 < ybit> 00:13 so what paths.py was doing was grabbing the step files from the lego packages and simply trying to match them up 00:15 < ybit> 00:14 you two haven't gotten to converting yaml to step 00:15 < ybit> you two == kanzure, fenn 01:00 < kanzure> step as in iso 10303-21? 01:01 < kanzure> step and yaml are doing two different things in skdb at the moment 01:01 < kanzure> there is no yaml representation of CAD elements if that's what you mean.. all of the geometry is in the .step files 01:33 < genehacker> a thin liquid jet traveling at mach 1 is safe amirite? 01:42 < bkero> Confirm/deny: Everybody loves a loser. 02:09 < Noahj> Deny, there's no one everyone loves 02:16 < bkero> every1 luvs jesus rite 02:24 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:30 < katsmeow-afk> lol 02:30 < katsmeow-afk> @ bkero 03:06 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-38-205.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:21 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-62-129.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:31 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-121-106.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:51 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-62-129.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:58 < ybit> kanzure: if there is no yaml representation of cad elements, what exactly were you meaning by mockup then? 08:01 < kanzure> a mockup is a template page with filled in data not necessarily dynamically generated 08:01 < kanzure> so for instance a mockup of a lego package view might show a picture of the lego step file (a screenshot, for now, even) 08:10 < ybit> that's still confusing to me, because you already have pictures of lego step files at skdb.freefab.org (skdb.html) 08:11 < ybit> the pictures showing part mating 08:11 < ybit> each part is an individual step file (you know this) 08:15 < ybit> ping, kanzure 08:23 < ybit> 21:37 < kanzure> the idea was to show an image of the cad file on the package pages and part pages 08:23 < ybit> so you are wanting package and part pages with screenshots/mockups of the different lego parts available atm.. 08:45 < kanzure> just one page. 08:45 < kanzure> nevermind. this is easy and doesn't require this much overhead. 08:50 -!- mason_l is now known as mason-l 09:05 < ybit> haha, there's no overhead, i just didn't understand what you were saying 09:06 < ybit> irc, ya know, it happens 09:12 < kanzure> where are my days going? 09:17 < ybit> toward saving humanity, i thought 09:18 < ybit> you're not considering Brain's thinking are you? ;) 09:19 < kanzure> i think the last time i checked it was september 09:21 < ybit> kanzure: how up-to-date is /doc/todo? 09:22 < kanzure> it doesn't include cherrypy todo but otherwise it's good 09:22 < kanzure> "fix BoundingBox" is a little old, fenn sorta did that 09:23 < kanzure> the "stuff to package" is still very accurate :) 09:23 < ybit> :) 09:38 < kanzure> >>> "hello world".rstrip(" " + "world") 09:38 < kanzure> 'he' 09:38 < kanzure> rawr! wtf 09:39 < kanzure> same with "hello world".rstrip(" world") 09:42 < kanzure> oh well. split and join it is.. 09:52 < ybit> sudo apt-get install libopencascade-visualization-dev libopencascade-ocaf-dev \ opencascade-wok opencascade-draw scons python-gccxml gccxml 09:53 < ybit> python-gccxml needs to go, it isn't even in debian 09:53 < ybit> pytyonocc needs a .deb 09:53 * ybit is working on autoinstall 09:53 < ybit> i.e. skdb.deb 09:54 < kanzure> i updated the installation notes for pythonocc in skdb/doc/compile_pythonOCC to reflect latest experiences and info on the dokuwiki 09:55 < kanzure> skdb.deb would be neat but it might be easier to do a python egg (i.e. just deal with setup.py) 09:55 < kanzure> and then there's an easy_deb python utility to autopoop .deb's of python eggs 09:58 < ybit> http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/zip/8BP098 :: not bad 09:58 < kanzure> have you been reading http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/music/8bit ? 10:00 < ybit> nope 10:00 < ybit> you need to include 8GB on that list 10:01 < ybit> http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/zip/8BP093 10:01 < ybit> and cornbeast: http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/zip/8BP094 10:02 < kanzure> 8bit trash is a BAD idea 10:05 < ybit> vim - microchips 10:05 < ybit> hehe 10:06 < ybit> i created a stupid video back in the day with vim's 8bit xmas mix 10:06 < kanzure> iayd "physics" isn't bad though. 10:06 < kanzure> i didn't expect anyone to actually listen to this 10:06 < kanzure> i'm surprised you know them 10:07 < ybit> i'm surprised there aren't more people that listen to it 10:07 < kanzure> it's kind of for robots only 10:07 < ybit> skdb-dev@freefab.org forwards to yours and fenn email as well 10:10 < kanzure> oh joy 10:10 < kanzure> :p 10:15 < kanzure> any progress on a .deb? 10:18 < ybit> sorry, was reading wired 10:19 < ybit> kanzure: but feel free to edit this as you see fit: http://pastebin.com/mc3f5afe 10:20 < kanzure> er are you just making the description file for the .deb? there's actually a fairly involved sequence of commands the debian peeps want you to follow 10:20 < kanzure> i was following their tutorials but got sleepy 10:21 < ybit> no that's the description, i figure you know the dependencies better than myself 10:21 < kanzure> anyway, the first sentence in the description sounds lame. how about "open source hardware package manager" or something 10:21 < ybit> done 10:22 < kanzure> the dependencies are basically everything in the pythonocc install notes plus: units, python-graph (python-igraph?), i think that's it 10:22 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure you're right about python-gccxml not being needed? 10:24 < ybit> that pastebin was wrong, my bad 10:24 < ybit> oh well 10:31 * ybit backtracks 10:32 < ybit> probably should follow prcisely what debian.org says and not tldp.org 10:33 < kanzure> incomplete notes on debian packaging: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/debian-packaging 10:45 < ybit> 0% [1 libc-bin 40960/694kB 5%] 3413B/s 1h18min24s 10:45 < ybit> o.O 10:57 < kanzure> hm i wish i could nest optfunc.run() calls 10:57 < kanzure> paul fernhout sends: http://clojure.org/ 11:09 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-38-205.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:12 < ybit> you know with such rapid development, i don't know if a debian package makes sense 11:12 < ybit> hi genehacker 11:13 < ybit> git clone is the way to go imho 11:14 < kanzure> most projects have a script that builds a debian package for them 11:14 < ybit> good, and i'll just create an autoinstall.sh real quick 11:15 < kanzure> i dunno if autoproject and python's setup.py are compatible or if they play nice 11:32 < ybit> scons wasn't needed was it 11:32 < kanzure> i used it for pythonOCC<0.3 11:33 < kanzure> but setup.py worked on 0.3 for me 12:08 < ybit> http://freefab.org/install.html 12:12 < kanzure> hrm how do i turn off your css 12:13 < ybit> now look at it 12:13 < kanzure> it's too hard to read the actual text. 12:13 < ybit> i.e. Refresh that mo' 12:13 < ybit> the text is too small? 12:13 < kanzure> it's like size pt 8 12:13 < ybit> i think the default was 11 12:14 < ybit> wait, no it's 12 12:14 < kanzure> btw you might want to edit http://freefab.org/autoinstall to put the user in a new directory so we don't tarfuck them 12:14 * ybit takes a look 12:14 < ybit> heh, alright 12:15 < ybit> wait, pythonocc extracts into its own dir 12:15 < ybit> and the script changes to that dir 12:17 < kanzure> eventually we'll clean up the script 12:17 < kanzure> i'd like a ./configure, make, make install (i.e. autoproject setup) pattern going on here, since there are some values you have to configure, like where to put things 13:15 < ybit> todo later today (after yet another bday party): mv freefab to cherrypy and cheetah 14:08 -!- Utopiah [n=libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has quit ["testing unicode+layout config"] 14:10 -!- Utopiah [n=libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:14 < kanzure> jijiutoBUtopiah: do you know nonifier.ovh.net? 14:16 < Utopiah> was that a sentence? 14:17 < kanzure> maybe. davinci was acting up. anyway, what is ovh.net and why are you on it? 14:18 < Utopiah> cheapest most reliable french (and maybe european) host for dedicated servers 14:18 < Utopiah> never had any problem and pay 13e/month for 1,2G/512MB/50Gb without quota 14:19 < Utopiah> (dedicated, not VPS) 14:19 < Utopiah> netboot, own kernel, whatver you want, works well 14:20 < Utopiah> (plus I might be bias but there is no recommendation for me so I won't gain anything if you use it or not) 14:20 < Utopiah> s/I/it/ 14:21 < Utopiah> cf http://www.ovh.com/fr/produits/rps1.xml (100mbits line) 14:25 < kanzure> i see. i recognized it because opencascade.org is hosted on ovh, IIRC 14:26 < Utopiah> very likely, I think since few years now it became a major datacenters in Europe 15:00 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-38-205.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:24 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-121-106.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:27 < ybit> oi fenn 16:32 < Utopiah> (Beyond Tomorrow: 3D printers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-oW_kRST0o June 2009) 17:25 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-251.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:37 < kanzure> ybit: http://freefab.org/ 17:38 < ybit> yeah what happened? 17:38 < kanzure> i de-fucked it 17:38 < kanzure> on that note, why is the banner 1024px wide? 17:38 < ybit> lol 17:38 < ybit> that isn't defucked 17:38 < kanzure> didn't yo momma ever tell you to never use absolutes in CSS? 17:39 < ybit> http://imgbin.org/images/876.png 17:41 < ybit> "why does this site's layout suck so much?" because you f'd it good and hard a few mins ago? 17:41 < ybit> :P 17:42 < kanzure> i think it looks better. 17:42 < kanzure> less absolutes 17:42 < kanzure> less massive 1024x400+ image 17:42 < kanzure> dunno why you made it 1024px when it doesn't even fit on your screen though 17:43 < ybit> haha, it fit fine before 17:45 < kanzure> you're welcome to mess it back up if you want to 17:45 < ybit> http://imgbin.org/images/877.png 17:45 < ybit> compare 17:46 < ybit> the navbar css is suckage 17:46 < ybit> and the footer needs to extend to the edges 17:46 < ybit> also the the buttons need some type of highlighting method 17:47 < ybit> the plan was... 17:47 < ybit> mv ff to cherrpy/cheetah 17:47 < ybit> mochikit ajax transitions or the css transitions kanzure mention 17:47 < ybit> logins and nowwiki 17:47 < ybit> a walkthrough on building stuff and editing docs 17:47 < ybit> video explaining what ff is 17:48 < ybit> when mochikit or css transition gets thrown in, the buttons/links are being edited 17:48 < ybit> and i think another page called 'build' needs to between 'install' and 'share' 17:48 < ybit> but i'll take a look at your source 17:49 < ybit> it might be less thrown together then mine 17:59 < ybit> kanzure: you did get the footer the entire width, wtf did i do wrong 17:59 < ybit> booking from southwest.com is cheaper than travelocity and kayak 18:00 < ybit> $134 each way 18:00 < kanzure> you can set margin-left and margin-right to 0, for instance 18:02 < ybit> ah 18:02 < ybit> i just set the width to 100% 18:02 < ybit> it wasn't in a container either 18:03 < ybit> kanzure: so you just don't like the whiteness? 18:03 < ybit> it would be nice to find a happy medium, something we both like 18:05 < ybit> same with AA, $134 18:08 < kanzure> the whiteness? 18:09 < kanzure> if you're trying to go for the web 2.0 look, you have to have rounded corners around your content i think 18:09 < kanzure> it's like a rule 18:11 < drazak> roffles 18:36 < ybit> rounded corners was big in 2004ish? 18:36 < kanzure> what's big now? 18:36 < ybit> smashingapps.com usually tells me 18:37 < ybit> the font i used for the header is 'in' this year 18:37 < ybit> the font size and and layout was standard good practice 18:38 < ybit> anywho, /me gets to reading 18:46 * ybit hopes the site is presentable, i.e. it has everything mentioned above by nov. 19:16 < kanzure> https://www.dunkindonuts.com/ 19:17 < kanzure> http://happywebbies.com/ 19:18 < kanzure> http://pixelmatrixdesign.com/ 19:18 < kanzure> http://pinchzoom.com/ 19:19 < kanzure> http://creamscoop.com/ 19:20 < kanzure> http://naldzgraphics.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/weblay13.jpg 19:20 < kanzure> hah: http://www.psdcore.com/tutorials/web-layouts/modern-web-20-web-layout/ 19:20 < kanzure> oh man. you people are still using photoshop for this? http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/how-to-design-the-web-in-a-high-def-world/ 19:23 < kanzure> http://lecaid.com/ 19:24 < kanzure> http://www.unouplus.com/ 19:24 < kanzure> some of this is flash, sorry 19:25 < ybit> http://www.siiimple.com/ 19:25 < ybit> not sure but i think that's the website i used to go to for examples 19:25 < kanzure> http://lemonstandapp.com/ 19:26 < ybit> http://www.minimalsites.com/ 19:26 < ybit> or that? 19:26 < ybit> dunno, but there are some good write-ups on minimal web design 19:26 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-121-106.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["wah"] 19:26 < kanzure> why does either one of us have a background in web design? 19:26 < kanzure> i hate the webs :( 19:27 -!- fenn [i=fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:27 < kanzure> fenn probably crashed his poor laptop on your ginormous 1024px banner, ybit 19:29 < ybit> netbooks have a res of 1024 19:29 < kanzure> my cell phone doesn't 19:29 < kanzure> neither does links2 19:29 < ybit> if you get a chance, check out the silkscreen font 19:30 < ybit> it works wonders 19:30 < kanzure> is that its name? 19:30 < ybit> great for viewing on screen and on the phone 19:30 < ybit> yeah 19:31 < kanzure> so do people still make psd templates and then cut it up into individual images for their CSS files? 19:31 < kanzure> do kids still do that these days? 19:31 < ybit> http://pixelfonts.style-force.net/ 19:32 < ybit> i made a template using inkscape 19:32 < ybit> it would be nice if browsers would just read my svg, it is xml after all 19:33 < ybit> http://kottke.org/plus/type/silkscreen/ :: silkscreen 19:34 < fenn> the hard drive kept spinning up, logging your inane yammer to disk 19:34 < ybit> i would really dig a minimalist design with pixel fonts 19:34 < fenn> so i switched to davinci 19:34 < ybit> wb 19:34 < ybit> but i'm not a power css user atm 19:35 < ybit> and yui's grid layout is nice, great for ensuring support for multiple devices 19:36 < fenn> i wish people would focus more on making webpages work correctly, rather than look pretty 19:36 < ybit> example? 19:37 < ybit> well, i guess you mean when you resize a window and there are overlapping elements 19:39 < ybit> http://webshots.org is nice too 19:43 < fenn> bet: 1 cookie that in 5 years web pages will commonly be SVG 19:44 < kanzure> http://preview.clickswitch.net/platino/index.html 19:44 < kanzure> http://www.goplanapp.com/ 19:44 < kanzure> http://www.serj.ca/ 19:44 < kanzure> http://glue.be/en/ 19:51 < ybit> an svg site: http://svg.nicubunu.ro/ 19:52 < ybit> http://apike.ca/prog_svg_webpage.html 19:52 < ybit> anywho.. kanzure, do you want to agree on a template or site that we may both try to replicate with a twist? 19:53 < ybit> fenn: are you willing (nobody's wanting to) to do a little web dev? 19:54 < ybit> http://www.smashingapps.com/2009/09/16/23-colorful-and-smart-examples-of-beautiful-web-designs.html 19:55 < ybit> favs from the picks: http://www.howhost.com/en/ and http://www.piipeonline.com/ 19:58 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@84.190.87.95] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:58 < ybit> http://www.tutorial9.net/resources/minimalism-around-the-web-design-inspiration-wordpress-themes/ 20:00 < ybit> http://line25.com/articles/50-inspiring-examples-of-minimalism-in-web-design 20:00 < kanzure> someone did a nice render of iron man: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=132&t=642540 "in 6 days" 20:03 < fenn> ybit: i dont even want to look at those links 20:05 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@84.190.67.116] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:05 * fenn looks .. yep just as awful as i expected 20:05 * fenn likes his gray on gray 20:09 < fenn> apparently "minimalist" means "words words words" 20:10 < fenn> hah "nobody really wants websites anymore. they want answers" 20:11 < bkero> No, they want solutions 20:11 < bkero> Catch up on your buzzwords 20:12 < fenn> must.. capture.. market value 20:13 < bkero> Must...shit all over your buzzwords. 23:18 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: branstrom, zvader, fenn, bkero 23:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fenn 23:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bkero 23:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: zvader 23:26 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-ed1ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:33 < kanzure> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/web/test.html 23:33 < kanzure> please use that for your template 23:34 < katsmeow-afk> great open source hardware? 23:36 < kanzure> it's a reference to the GOSH! conference, "grounding open source hardware" (it did anything but) 23:36 < katsmeow-afk> ah 23:37 < kanzure> huh kuniholm is making an osh search engine. wonder why he hasn't said hello in a while.. 23:42 < genehacker> is there even that much open hardware to search