--- Day changed Sun Nov 08 2009 01:09 -!- mason_l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:10 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:59 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 02:01 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- Netsplit verne.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-43, chizu, superkuh, nalioth, nsh, bkero 02:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: superkuh, nsh, bkero, chizu, CIA-43, nalioth 02:32 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- Netsplit verne.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-43, chizu, superkuh, nalioth, nsh, bkero 03:35 -!- bkero [n=bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- chizu [n=chizu@ash.osuosl.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- CIA-43 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- nsh [i=sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:36 -!- nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:04 -!- mason_l is now known as mason-l 06:11 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:54 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:55 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:56 -!- danielfalck [n=chatzill@71.111.79.148] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:25 -!- danielfalck [n=chatzill@71.111.79.148] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:38 -!- danielfalck [n=chatzill@pool-71-111-79-148.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:41 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:48 -!- danielfalck [n=chatzill@pool-71-111-79-148.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102134505]"] 11:08 -!- jm [n=j@p57B9BC16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- danielfalck [n=chatzill@pool-71-111-79-148.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:06 -!- rmond [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:10 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:10 -!- rmond is now known as strages 13:16 -!- rmond [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:18 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:31 < ybit> two seperate talks from fenn and kanzure, aye? 14:31 < ybit> when did this occur? 14:31 < kanzure> never 14:31 < kanzure> they made it up 14:31 < ybit> so they are just winging a schedule together 14:31 < kanzure> they are full of shit 14:32 < kanzure> also, andrew hessel knows nothing about open source ecology 14:32 * ybit wishes jata would spean on diy-h+ instead of diybio, nothing wrong with diybio, but i've heard enough of it already 14:32 < ybit> i thought that was nathan cravens 14:32 < kanzure> no 14:32 < ybit> the singularity summit 2k9 vids are up on vimeo 14:32 < kanzure> about damn time, i was wondering what i missed 14:33 < ybit> heh, there are only three interesting ones so far 14:33 < kanzure> chalmers wasn't terrible 14:33 < kanzure> ed was cool 14:34 < kanzure> anders wasn't bad either 14:34 < kanzure> aubrey did the typical spiell 14:34 < ybit> aubrey's new talk which it seems i will hear again in a few weeks,ed boyden, and stuart hamelhoff or however you spell it 14:34 < ybit> already saw it 14:34 < ybit> got ed and stuart queued up 14:35 < kanzure> if you want a laugh look at the one with eli and pete 14:35 < ybit> heh, yeah, i did 14:36 < kanzure> and stephen wolfram was hilarious. he's basically an animatronic robot designed for synchronous hand-waving in tune with his words 14:36 < ybit> i was a little frustrated that they were talking non-sense in the world-changing panel 14:37 < kanzure> yeah it's bullshit 14:37 < kanzure> http://www.vimeo.com/siai/videos/page:3/sort:oldest 14:37 < kanzure> but you don't go to these things for the presentations 14:37 < ybit> right 14:37 < kanzure> i only watched one or two talks. 14:37 < ybit> i'm afraid that this volunteering thing might have been a bad idea 14:37 < kanzure> why? 14:37 < ybit> i don't want to be stuck behind a camera for every damn talk 14:38 < kanzure> why would you be operating a camera? 14:38 < ybit> i don't know what i'll be doing, but i think goertzel mentioned that they need people manning the cameras 14:40 < ybit> kanzure: did you happen to log in and take a look at the code or maybe you just know off-hand where ShHealOper.i is being called 14:40 < ybit> i'm grepping this poor system to death 14:41 < kanzure> why do you not have libShHealOper.a? 14:41 < ybit> it was nowhere to be found 14:43 < ybit> do you have it? 14:43 < ybit> and OCC provided it, yes? 14:44 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:44 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:45 < kanzure> ybit: are you sure you have all of the dependencies? 14:57 < ybit> i'll send off for all of them again 14:57 < ybit> i was thinking open source media ecologies btw 14:57 < ybit> ..was and is cravens 14:58 < ybit> apt-file shows no results for libShHealOper.a 15:01 < ybit> so i have everything on dokuwiki, and i guess i should go ahead and remove the 'python-gccxml' from the wiki when i get time.. the results of reinstalling everything mentioned only resulted in three packages having upgrades 15:01 < kanzure> OSE was marcin 15:02 < ybit> kanzure, fenn: in what package is libShHealOper.a located on your systems? 15:03 < kanzure> sgeom 15:03 < ybit> it's not my grepping skills btw, i was grepping -i -r for all instances of ShHealOper 15:03 < ybit> alright 15:28 < kanzure> i don't remember this happening before 15:54 -!- jm [n=j@p57B9BC16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:02 -!- rmond [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:56 < wrldpc2> Anyone have links to research on computers being able to detect normative assertions? I realize we don't discuss AI in here :\ 16:58 < wrldpc2> if you want to laugh hysterically watch the EmTech 09 Ben Veerwayen talk ... it's fucking HILARIOUS https://www.technologyreview.com/emtech/videos/login.aspx?ETCEvent=95&y=2009 17:21 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-32-190.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:22 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 17:23 < ybit> anyone able to view the files on this page? http://sourceforge.net/projects/techiebrain/files/ 17:30 -!- any69671647 [n=someone@99-195-186-212.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:31 -!- nsh [i=sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:33 -!- nsh [n=nsh@72.232.176.59] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:48 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@99-195-186-212.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:07 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE6B56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:24 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE44D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:55 * ybit wrote 'software' 4 times in less than 4 sentences :-\ 19:04 < kanzure> did you just watch the silly eff video about autonomous vehicles? 19:11 < drazak> dude have you guys seen the calc 1 in less than 20 minutes video? 19:20 < kanzure> no.. but that sounds about the right length. 19:26 < genehacker> where 19:27 < genehacker> is that silly video? 19:28 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:32 < drazak> youtube indoubtably 19:49 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:02 < ybit> kanzure: no i haven't it watched it yet, i saw some software for it and i wondered 20:18 < ybit> fenn, kanzure: in what package is SalomeGeometry? 20:18 < ybit> SGeom 20:18 < ybit> ..iow 20:19 < ybit> libopencascade-visualization-dev or libopencascade-dev, or..? 20:29 < kanzure> sgeom is a separate package, but you shouldn't need it 21:22 < kanzure> http://godplaysdice.blogspot.com/2009/01/synonym-following-game.html 21:28 < kanzure> http://www.mail-archive.com/wn-similarity@yahoogroups.com/msg00374.html 21:29 < kanzure> http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/api/nltk.wordnet-module.html 21:34 < kanzure> wtf is nltk doing? "please use nltk.download() to grab the corpora" 21:35 < kanzure> and then this ancient tk (gtk? i'm not sure) gui pops up /during/ my interactive python session 21:35 < kanzure> to download some packages 21:35 < kanzure> http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/nltk_data/index.xml 21:36 < kanzure> they claim to have the brown corpus.. http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/nltk_data/packages/corpora/brown.zip 21:59 < ybit> thanks for the synonym following article kanzure 22:00 < ybit> wow, all of the links actually 22:01 < kanzure> i need a way to cluster words based off of synonyms and their semantic context.. i.e. rake,garden should be clustered 22:01 < ybit> tk isn't gtk, it's for tcl 22:01 < kanzure> tcl is the graphical one, right? 22:01 < ybit> tcl is the lang 22:05 < ybit> sorry, but it's philosophy time... 22:05 < ybit> i have an injured grasshopper in my room 22:05 < ybit> should i kill and take it out of its misery or 'set it free' where it will be easy prey? 22:06 < ybit> if i 'set it free' i'm feeding another animal, but the grasshopper will die a slow death probably 22:06 < kanzure> hm not sure how to get nltk.wordnet 22:06 < ybit> nobody, come on.. 22:06 < ybit> s/,/? 22:09 < ybit> where's xp_prg when you need his infinitesimal wisdom 22:10 < ybit> ping: any69671647, bkero, fenn, and you other animal lovers 22:11 < kanzure> come on guys this is a grasshopper emergency! 22:11 < ybit> heh nah, it isn't going anywhere, poor fellow 22:12 < fenn> obviously the most compassionate thing to do would be to take care of it for ever and ever 22:12 < ybit> fsck you fenn 22:12 < ybit> anyone else? :) 22:14 < ybit> actually i think i will 22:14 < ybit> do grasshoppers easily regrow their limbs? 22:15 < ybit> i could keep it for however long it takes to regrow the limbs, just for the fun of it, and then release it into the wild so that it may be ran over by a car 22:21 < kanzure> yes we regrow our limbs 22:23 < fenn> you aren't a grasshopper 22:23 < kanzure> that's what sensei calls me 22:28 < ybit> fenn trained under turtle master roshi, and kanzure is training under a grasshopper sensei, i really don't know what to think of this channel anymore ;) 22:36 < ybit> ..and i'm the only one who still uses emoticons it seems 22:38 < kanzure> aha. http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/howto/wordnet.html 22:40 < ybit> if i don't need sgeom, then why am I getting such an error, and what is calling it, argh. 22:41 < kanzure> why didn't you get this error before 22:42 < ybit> i don't know 22:43 < ybit> everything still works fine of course, it's just complaining when attempting to create a deb 22:47 -!- any69671647 is now known as katsmeow-afk 22:47 -!- katsmeow-afk is now known as katsmeow 22:55 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:18 -!- danielfalck [n=chatzill@pool-71-111-79-148.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102134505]"] 23:30 < genehacker> grass hoppers have about as much capacity for feelings as a complex computer program 23:36 < ybit> yeah, but it's fun to pretend 23:37 < ybit> and plus i get to play with it 23:37 < ybit> i mean how often do you get to play with grasshoppers? 23:38 < genehacker> protip 23:38 < genehacker> : 23:39 < genehacker> show it some windows 98 field of stars screensavers or star wars battle scenes 23:39 < genehacker> observe results and reverse engineer it's eyes 23:42 < ybit> yeah, i'll get on that 23:48 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-32-190.public.utexas.edu] has quit [] 23:55 < ybit> i fail as a mad scientist 23:55 * ybit searches ebay for a microscope 23:56 < ybit> yeah, i don't have one, which is why i fail