--- Day changed Thu Nov 19 2009
00:00 < kanzure> trey was in here yesterday wanting to do an open source hardware semiconductor fab on the cheap
00:00 < kanzure> they should have met each other
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00:00 < genehacker> not sure if you could do a semiconductor fab on the cheap
00:00 < kanzure> cheap is relative
00:00 < genehacker> unless you could do high vacuum stuff on the cheap
00:00 < jasonwohlfahrt> this guy is crazy awesome: http://www.ph.utexas.edu/classes/coker/
00:00 < kanzure> most of the time the fabs cost billions of time
00:00 < genehacker> oh
00:00 < kanzure> yeah i took coker
00:01 < kanzure> half the class was laughing /at/ him half the time
00:01 < jasonwohlfahrt> he taught me a lot of magic tricks
00:01 < jasonwohlfahrt> haha, yeah
00:01 < jasonwohlfahrt> he's a character
00:01 < jasonwohlfahrt> looks like dumbledore from the harry potter series
00:01 < genehacker> oh yeah? well my materials processing professor shattered a raquetball today just to demonstrate what the glass transistion temperature is
00:02 < jasonwohlfahrt> nice
00:02 < genehacker> *with liquid nitrogen
00:02 < jasonwohlfahrt> love me some liquid nitrogen
00:03 < jasonwohlfahrt> my brother's friend who was a phd in chem engineering stole a bunch of chemicals to start a meth lab
00:03 < kanzure> is that how they get started?
00:03 < kanzure> i've been wondering
00:03 < jasonwohlfahrt> must be
00:03 < jasonwohlfahrt> i've heard they're an interesting bunch of people
00:04 < jasonwohlfahrt> meth addicts and chem engineering phd's that is
00:04 < genehacker> because you want to steal some chemicals to make chemicals to make synthetic DNA?
00:04 < jasonwohlfahrt> that would be neat
00:04 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: check this out re: meth labs. http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/b307b22b6a745335
00:05 < genehacker> oh I know meth lab on a chip
00:05 < jasonwohlfahrt> interesting
00:05 < genehacker> it'll be easier for the police to seize
00:06 < kanzure> let's just start with nootropics on a chip or myostatin inhibitors
00:06 < jasonwohlfahrt> my brother used to be into ketamine
00:06 < kanzure> excellent
00:06 < kanzure> he sounds interesting
00:07 < jasonwohlfahrt> he and his roomate would go into a "k hole" and watch entire seasons of buffy the vampire slayer
00:07 < genehacker> ugh
00:07 < jasonwohlfahrt> not exactly the best show
00:08 < jasonwohlfahrt> probably much better in a k hole
00:08 < kanzure> wonder what's up with my server
00:09 < genehacker> what's wrong?
00:09 < kanzure> not loading
00:10 < kanzure> it's sitting right next to me humming away
00:10 < kanzure> ybit: i find it funny that thomas basically said the same thing i did. "your paths are wrong" :) can i say i told you so?
00:12 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: if you get bored and want to read some awesome science, try this out: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ it's a dump of papers i've been reading
00:12 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool, I'm always looking for more awesome science articles
00:13 < jasonwohlfahrt> today I had a burst of creativity and started formulating a theory that explains how the universe works
00:13 < kanzure> "it does not"
00:13 < jasonwohlfahrt> exactly
00:14 < jasonwohlfahrt> if you have any good papers on the models of the universe, please share
00:14 < kanzure> hm i might have some on complexity science somewhere
00:14 < kanzure> lots of stuff by lee smolin
00:15 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool, ill look him up
00:15 < kanzure> http://www.edge.org/documents/ThirdCulture/z-Ch.17.html 
00:15 < kanzure> chapter 17 lee smolin "a theory of the whole universe"
00:16 < genehacker> the whole universe?
00:16 < kanzure> nah just 1/2 of it
00:16 < genehacker> I'd rather the basic governing equations so I can engineer it to do stuff for me
00:16 < jasonwohlfahrt> interesting
00:17 < jasonwohlfahrt> complexity theory is a huge interest of mine
00:17 < kanzure> another good author in this area is stan salthe
00:17 < genehacker> predict the drag on a 747 to within 50% of the actual value
00:17 < kanzure> http://www.nbi.dk/~natphil/salthe/
00:18 < kanzure> oops i'm violating a big rule in here
00:18 < kanzure> one of the biggest standing rules is "no philosophy"
00:18 < kanzure> even though we mostly agree on the fundamentals of complexity theory and so on
00:18 < kanzure> (we mostly spend time doing stuff)
00:18 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool
00:19 < kanzure> or, alternatively, i spend a lot of time yelling at ybit to do stuff
00:19 < jasonwohlfahrt> maybe we can discuss philosophy tomorrow
00:19 < kanzure> rawr, ybit! 
00:19 < kanzure> hm i need to go make some dinner and fall asleep
00:19 < kanzure> bbl
00:19 < jasonwohlfahrt> me too, see ya tomorrow sir. nice chatting with you, genehacker
00:20 < genehacker> I may not be able to see you tomorrow
00:20 < genehacker> or are you just meeting with bryan?
00:20 < jasonwohlfahrt> i'm down for meeting whoever
00:20 < jasonwohlfahrt> i'm meeting bryan tomorrow
00:20 < kanzure> genehacker: saturday is the event
00:20 < jasonwohlfahrt> what your name, btw
00:21 < jasonwohlfahrt> I'm just wondering if ive met you before
00:21 < genehacker> not quite sure if I've met you
00:22 < jasonwohlfahrt> I guess well meet up on saturday then
00:22 < jasonwohlfahrt> see you soon
00:23 < genehacker> indeed
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11:11 < kanzure> fenn: do you want to reply to marcin or should i?
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12:17 < ybit_> right... here's an annoying story... my brother needed a keyboard, and i thought he was going to grab my spare keyboard but he grabbed the one on my computer... and it turns out the spare keyboard has keys which don't work themselves so i can't login and it seems my ssh daemon is down, grr
12:18 < ybit_> sent a request to freecycle and some friends, here's hoping i get a working keyboard immediately after work
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14:54 < fenn> i wonder if dyndns is just fucking with me
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15:45 < ybit> fenn, kanzure what do you have your paths set to?
15:46 < ybit> in pythonOCC-0.3/src/wrapper/environment.py
15:47 < ybit> OCC_INC = '/usr/include/opencascade'^M OCC_LIB = '/usr/lib'
15:47 < ybit> and OCC_LIB = '/usr/lib'here
15:48 < ybit> i also made all instances of OCC_LIB /usr/include/opencascade as well
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17:48 < ybit> my computer is louder than my music blasting through the speakers
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17:54 < jasonwohlfahrt> should be over to your place between 6:30 and 7:00, @kanzure
17:59 < ybit> jasonwohlfahrt: in irc, we use the convention i used just now :)
18:00 < ybit> if you have a decent irc client, you just type the minimum number of characters of the username for it to be unique and then just presstab
18:00 < ybit> but i suppose the @username convention could be used
18:01 < ybit> i've also seen username, at the beginning and [username] at the end
18:01 < ybit> so ignore me?
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18:50 < kanzure> hello
18:51 < ybit> hi
18:51 < kanzure> i think you should read the notes that fenn and i have written for installing pythonocc
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19:58 < ybit> sorry i couldn't resist: http://ybit.ath.cx/images/skdb-tshirts.png
20:03 < ybit> i followed the skdb install notes
20:03 < ybit> did the sed replacement for environment.py, still same results
20:03 < ybit> maybe i need to replace something in my .bashrc
20:18 < genehacker> let's make the t-shirt design after we make the website ok?
20:20 < ybit> bah
20:20 < ybit> i think the website just needs to be a hatta wiki
20:20 < ybit> i'm not too concerned about its apperance and creating tshirt mockups is so flippin simple, it's why i couldn't resist
20:21 < ybit> wish i could say the same about building pythonocc, grr
20:24 < kanzure> hatta is only good for hg repositories
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22:04 < ybit> legoland, near irvine: http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a&q=Carlsbad,+CA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Carlsbad,+CA&gl=us&ei=0BQGS7CWFo7p8Qb3h4jCCw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ8gEwAA
22:05 < ybit> http://www.legoland.com/california.htm
22:05 < ybit> does lego.com have a listing of lego numbers?
22:06 < kanzure> no :(
22:06 < kanzure> you can find a catalog here: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/master-catalog.txt
22:06 < ybit> ldraw has id numbers in its catalog which is helpful
22:06 < kanzure> check out that file, ybit
22:06 < ybit> got it
22:07 < genehacker> excellent, shall we release the lego replicator there and begin the plan?
22:07 < ybit> first time to come across: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A*_search_algorithm
22:07 < kanzure> matt talks about a* constantly :(
22:08 < genehacker> is saturday the day?
22:19 < ybit> thanks for action.py
22:20 < kanzure> that sounds random
22:20 < kanzure> why what's up?
22:24 < ybit> nothing it was one of the more interesting reads this past hour
22:24 < ybit> i keep flipping between .deb and assembly instructions
22:25  * kanzure flips ybit like a pancake
22:25 < kanzure> *hiissss*
22:25 < genehacker> so saturday is the meetup day?
22:25 < kanzure> oh
22:25 < kanzure> yes
22:25 < ybit> i burn easily, i wouldn't make a good pancake
22:25 < genehacker> I'll bring a powerstrip
22:25 < kanzure> thanks genehacker 
22:26 < genehacker> extenstion radius is 25ft
22:26 < kanzure> genehacker: call 830-237-7348 (jason from yesterday) for a ride later
22:26 < ybit> wow, that's a long powerstrip
22:28 < genehacker> I think it's 25ft
22:28 < genehacker> bought it awhile back trying to optimize my dorm room for max efficiency 
22:29  * kanzure read "dork room"
22:30 < genehacker> the idea was to move the refrigerator on top of a bookcase type thing to gain some more area, but this proved to be impractical
22:31 < genehacker> you wouldn't be able to tell it was a dork room by looking at it
22:31 < genehacker> but my room mate is an ME...
22:44 < ybit> Man Builds a Full-Sized LEGO House [18 Pics]. He used bricks pieced together by 272 LEGOs. Over 3,000,000 bricks were used so that’s about 816,000,000 LEGO pieces. 
22:44 < ybit> http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=43295
22:45 < genehacker> are they glued together?
22:51 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV19wqtfyF0
22:51 < ybit> ^ An incredible knitting machine built entirely out of Lego blocks. 
22:51 < genehacker> oh that one?
22:51 < genehacker> I could watch that for days
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23:00 < genehacker> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
23:00 < genehacker> guess who was here on campus today kanzure?
23:00 < genehacker> John W. Szostak
23:00 < genehacker> damn
23:01 < genehacker> had a class anyway
23:01 < genehacker> *jack
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23:05 < kanzure> szostak was on campus?
23:05 < kanzure> wah
23:06 < kanzure> well i missed stallman when he showed up
23:06 < kanzure> so whatever
23:06 < genehacker> damn
23:06 < genehacker> too bad those creationist people didn't show up today
23:06 < genehacker> Szostak could have owned them
23:07 < genehacker> oh wait just about anyone who knows anything can
23:29 < ybit> sharpie microfluidics application: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajz8dJzjBWE&NR=1 
23:29 < ybit> lego cd writer
23:31 < genehacker> wouldn't that be an application of the lego cd writer?
23:32 < genehacker> no polar corrections lame
23:32 < ybit> automated lego warehouse: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2837375/automated_lego_warehouse/
23:34 < genehacker> damn that video is too short
23:34 < genehacker> so awesome though...
23:34 < ybit> lego "air conditioner" http://web.archive.org/web/20060412183344/http://www.nathanbrickartist.com/carrier_convention.html
23:35 < ybit> and http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2006/03/air_conditioner_make_out.html
23:35 < genehacker> doesn't work
23:36 < ybit> http://www.noob.us/entertainment/lego-mindstorms-automatic-car-assembler/
23:36 < genehacker> shame there aren't metal legos
23:36 < ybit> lego automatic car assembler ^
23:36 < genehacker> AS SEEN IN KINEMATIC SELF-REPLICATING MACHINES
23:41 < ybit> and yet more automated assembly videos, i just want to know if there are cad files or assembly instructions for these machines somewhere
23:42 < ybit> Lego Technic
23:42 < genehacker> you could make them...
23:43 < genehacker> build from the pictures
23:43 < genehacker> surely you've tried to build lego models just by looking at what's on the box haven't you?
23:44 < ybit> of course, but i never did legos
23:44 < genehacker> WHAT?
23:44 < genehacker> oh dear
23:45 < genehacker> well you must download at least several technic packets to your matter compiler immediately 
23:45 < genehacker> from SKDB
23:45 < genehacker> oh wait
23:45 < genehacker> we can't do that yet
23:45 < genehacker> anyway what's blocking us from hosting lego models on SKDB, the file format right?
23:46 < kanzure> we already do lego models
23:49 < genehacker> ok why don't you have all basic technic in there?
23:49 < kanzure> because we don't have technic pieces
23:49 < kanzure> only a few basic lego models
23:50 < genehacker> that isn't useful
23:50 < kanzure> well make some more
23:50 < genehacker> what do you mean make some more?
23:50 < genehacker> in LCAD or what not?
23:50 < genehacker> ok I'll do so over the break and upload them
23:50 < kanzure> in heekscad
23:51 < genehacker> in heekscad?
23:52 < kanzure> yes please
23:52 < kanzure> save as IGES or STEP
23:52 < kanzure> _not_ STL
23:54 < genehacker> lego models or lego bricks?
23:56 < kanzure> what's the difference?