--- Day changed Fri Nov 20 2009 00:01 < genehacker> lego models consist of lego bricks 00:02 < ybit> was afk, of course i played with legos at some point, haven't all kids had some type of construction set at some point? i was into k'nex, and yeah i built the spaceship from looking at the box 00:03 < genehacker> ok then 00:03 < genehacker> use that brain blob of yours and turn those videos into something more useful 00:03 < ybit> working on it 00:04 < genehacker> excellent 00:08 < ybit> google has street view in the legoland california theme park :) 01:00 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 01:03 < ybit> i haven't heard back from jeremiah petit, should i kick him out in favor of marcin since he's looking for a place to stay? 01:03 < ybit> and he for sure going whereas marcin isn't 01:03 < ybit> +is 01:30 < ybit> can i has 'design of machine elements'? 01:37 < genehacker> let me see 01:38 < genehacker> nope 01:38 < genehacker> I only have shigley's mechanical engineering design 01:57 < ybit> i'll take it 01:57 < ybit> in pdf format? 02:00 < ybit> the machinery's handbook helped me already, but i'll still take your book for future referencing 02:02 < genehacker> no 02:02 < genehacker> but just knowing the name is good enough 02:02 < genehacker> putting it into google can probably get you to the PDF 02:08 < ybit> i was going to let you google it for me since i was being a lazy bastard, but i've already grabbed it 02:10 < ybit> for anyone else who doesn't want to google: http://ybit.ath.cx/books/Shigley%27s%20Mechanical%20Engineering%20Design%208th%20Edition.pdf 02:13 < ybit> danielfalck: i knew that i mentioned you once before you joined this channel 02:14 < ybit> it was while i was having problems with the pythonocc install sometime ago 02:14 < ybit> ..obviously i'm not being serious: 02:14 < ybit> 23:52 < ybit> right now i hate danielfalck, not really, just jealous he flippantly mentions that he has occ and pythoncc 02:43 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@128.62.54.169] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 04:49 -!- Uptownhr [i=_YM_upto@adsl-69-230-210-93.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [] 05:20 < fenn> who is ym/uptown? 05:21 < fenn> er [ym]uptown 05:21 < fenn> i notice they're in irvine 05:23 < fenn> glendale, close enough 07:17 < strages> http://ws.g-language.org/g4/ 09:03 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-105-113.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:58 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE5C89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:03 < ybit> fenn: someone i met in some channel and invited in here 10:04 < danielfalck> hi ybit 10:07 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-105-113.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:16 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE2BFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:34 -!- silverman [n=user@dhcp-84-116.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@ppp-69-148-69-156.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:08 -!- silverman [n=user@dhcp-84-116.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:40 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@ppp-69-148-69-156.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 12:10 < kanzure> anyone know how to kill a stubborn process? -9 isn't working 12:13 -!- zancas [n=zancas@h-74-2-87-164.chcgilgm.static.covad.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:48 < ybit> killall? 12:48 < ybit> hi danielfalck 12:48 < kanzure> killall didn't work either 12:48 < danielfalck> ybit: I chuckled when I saw the comment- no offense taken :) 12:48 < ybit> super kill 12:48 < ybit> danielfalck: great :) 12:49 < ybit> kanzure: i obviously made that one up 12:49 < danielfalck> I had pyocc working on this mac and then killed it by upgrading python to 2.6 12:49 < danielfalck> haven't bothered to install again 12:49 < kanzure> pythonocc doesn't work with 2.6? 12:49 < ybit> i haven't thought about that, i use 2.5.4 12:49 < danielfalck> I probably fubared something else, I'm not sure 12:50 < kanzure> maybe the paths are all off. on linux boxes, pythonocc puts itself in python-version-specific paths 12:50 < danielfalck> but I've avoided working on it lately with other stuff to do hadn't taken the time to look at it 13:04 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:52 < ybit> kanzure: didn't you say you would weld a chair to the front hood? someone's going to need that spot if joseph agrees to pick up marcin as well 13:53 < ybit> the thought of you sitting on a lawn chair welded to the front hood cracks me up 13:54 < kanzure> i'd probably have a laptop 14:13 -!- [ym]uptown [n=uptown@159.153.140.10] has quit [] 14:14 -!- www [n=uptown@159.153.140.10] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:15 -!- www is now known as stiqr_dot_com 14:15 -!- stiqr_dot_com [n=uptown@159.153.140.10] has quit [Client Quit] 14:16 -!- www [n=uptown@159.153.140.10] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:16 -!- www [n=uptown@159.153.140.10] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:16 -!- stiqr_dot_com [n=uptown@159.153.140.10] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:17 -!- stiqr_dot_com [n=uptown@159.153.140.10] has left #hplusroadmap [] 14:33 < fenn> ybit: "From there, we are hitching a ride with Joseph Jackson." so he's just picking us up from the airport to be nice? 14:37 < fenn> hum. ok 14:37 < kanzure> to be nice? 14:38 < fenn> with ~15 speakers a day that's like 20 mins per speaker; so we'd get like 5 minutes each? 14:39 < fenn> i'm wondering what i could possibly say in 5 minutes 14:39 < kanzure> hm wish they would tell me that 14:39 < kanzure> my presentation is much longer than 5min 14:39 < fenn> your presentation sucks anyway :P 14:39 < kanzure> you do better 14:40 < fenn> ok just leave out all the pictures of software developers 14:40 < kanzure> and just use giant graphs? i don't think so 14:41 < fenn> well some of the graphs are interesting, like the number of packages in debian one 14:41 < kanzure> a lot of this needs context 14:41 < kanzure> people bring context 14:41 < kanzure> "look! there's people" 14:41 < fenn> and the first packages blob thing 14:41 < kanzure> huh? 14:41 < fenn> the spiderweb graph 14:42 < kanzure> yeah but that doesn't actually tell you anything 14:42 < kanzure> "lots of crap that only techies understand" 14:42 < fenn> no but it gives you some idea of the complexity 14:42 < kanzure> i don't think they'll care 14:42 < kanzure> i like the graph too though 14:42 < fenn> i.e. it's not just 1 2 3 14:42 < kanzure> i mean, it's certainly going to be included 14:42 < fenn> i dont even know who 'they' are 14:43 < kanzure> apparently people watching 20x 5min presentations? 14:43 < fenn> who the hell goes to these things anyway? 14:43 < fenn> i might as well set up my presentation to visiting aliens 14:43 < kanzure> what? 14:43 < kanzure> how about you ask 14:44 < fenn> has anyone said they're going, on exi tt or wta lists? 14:45 < kanzure> no 14:45 < kanzure> oh, the guy who runs the GRG in LA said he's going 14:45 < fenn> god that sharpie microfluidics thread is still going? 14:46 < kanzure> jürgen müller emailed me today, claiming i stole content from his website 14:46 < kanzure> i probably did 14:46 < kanzure> oh well 14:48 < fenn> was that the fritzing guy? 14:48 < kanzure> diy stm guy 14:48 < fenn> well, so what 14:48 < kanzure> he was complaining about http://heybryan.org/instrumentation/instru.html 14:49 < kanzure> why is this world so lame 14:49 < fenn> hah "A significant portion of this content is blatantly stolen from http://www.e-basteln.de/index_r.htm. 14:50 < kanzure> added that in a few minutes ago 14:50 < fenn> i dont understand; you stole links and abstracts? 14:50 < kanzure> oh noes! 14:50 < kanzure> yep 14:50 < fenn> pfff 14:50 < fenn> grow up jurgen 14:50 < kanzure> the internet pirates are out to get you 14:52 < fenn> i'm kind of wishing i were as gung-ho as marcin 14:53 < fenn> afraid we're going to have an impedance mismatch 14:53 < kanzure> i disagree with your view that you suck as much as you said you were 14:53 < kanzure> in the email to marcin 14:54 < kanzure> why does paul, marcin, smari, and all of these others people just throw us away? 14:54 < fenn> i havent dont literally anything on skdb in months 14:54 < fenn> i think marcin honestly didnt know what skdb was about 14:54 < kanzure> bullshit 14:54 < kanzure> he's been subscribed since the beginning 14:54 < fenn> hmm 14:54 < fenn> to OM? 14:54 < kanzure> yep 14:55 < fenn> that doesn't mean he understands 14:55 < kanzure> then he should ask questions.. like "what the fuck is this?" 14:55 < fenn> i think we're going to have to do some computer graphics animation or something 14:55 < kanzure> hm? 14:55 < fenn> to explain the whole package management and downloading thing 14:56 < kanzure> do you have any ideas for a suitable animation 14:56 < fenn> not really; have you seen AKIRA? the scene where tetsuo makes a new arm from junkyard crap maybe 14:57 < fenn> one sec i find 15:03 < fenn> why does everything have to stop working after five years 15:18 < fenn> i can't believe this is so hard to find 15:20 < fenn> huh - tetsuo means roughly 'iron man' 15:27 < fenn> sigh.. well this is what i'm talking about. too bad i can't find anything on the 'tube http://www3.microwar.de/akira/film-movie/tetsuos_arm.htm2~ 15:27 < fenn> http://www3.microwar.de/akira/film-movie/tetsuos_arm.htm 15:29 < kanzure> never saw it 15:33 * fenn just shakes his head sadly 15:39 < fenn> ok i found it 15:40 < fenn> 2:28-2:30 in http://youtube.com/watch?v=7vK0iThYlWY please excuse the awful music 15:40 < fenn> it makes more sense in context 15:47 < kanzure> i dunno if that will be enough 15:51 < fenn> no of course not 16:00 < fenn> there's not many movies about manufacturing or engineering :( 16:02 < kanzure> should we rip a scene from iron man? 16:04 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:06 < fenn> i dunno if it has anything worth stealing 16:06 < fenn> besides just 'oo technology' 16:51 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 17:10 < fenn> i dont suppose anyone has a copy of roger cortesi's minimill design 17:11 * fenn looks at archive.org 17:15 < fenn> aha i found it 17:19 < fenn> kanzure: you could you stop raping the internet for like ten minutes? this is ridiculous 17:19 < kanzure> i'm not doing anything 17:20 < kanzure> not even streaming music 17:20 < fenn> i wonder what's up 17:21 < kanzure> it's been like this all morning 17:34 < ybit> re: is anyone going, they haven't gotten to the 'early adopters' stage yet, i don't think that many have signed up yet 17:35 < ybit> re: why does smari throw us away? 17:35 < ybit> his last email to me has a slightly diff view 17:35 < ybit> there are enough speakers though that it will still be enough interesting people to talk to 17:38 < ybit> http://pastebin.ca/1680227 17:38 < ybit> up for 5 mins 17:39 < ybit> i can forward it to you (whomever) if you want though 17:40 < fenn> why 5 minutes? are you trying to annoy me? 17:42 < ybit> heh, i just don't know what he thinks about having his email posted publicly 17:43 * fenn looks around at all the spooks 17:44 < fenn> i had the same idea about automatic UPC scanning btw 17:44 < fenn> i think i even entioned it in here 17:44 < ybit> i don't think that the tetsuo video would be of any benefit aside from images moving around on-screen if that's what you want 17:44 < fenn> right, well, it is a sort of defining memory from my childhood 17:44 < ybit> yeah, mapping out everything like that probably isn't bad, but you don't get an idea of how much of something a store has, but i suppose that's better than nothing 17:45 < kanzure> what's the point of putting something up for only 5 minutes 17:45 < kanzure> fuck you 17:45 < ybit> haha 17:45 < ybit> i can forward it if you want 17:45 < kanzure> i'm sure it's just him bullshitting 17:46 < fenn> it's not relevant 17:46 < fenn> "Bryan and I have discussed merging TangibleBit and SKDB for quite some time. It may eventually happen, but not yet. We are collaborating though." 17:46 < kanzure> bullshit 17:46 < kanzure> it's already merged 17:46 < kanzure> what the hell is he talking about 17:46 < kanzure> is he still angry about tabs vs. spaces? 17:46 < fenn> meh 17:47 < fenn> tbit doesn't do anything so there's no functionality to integrate yet anyway 17:47 < fenn> at least i never saw any convincing demonstration 17:47 < kanzure> lots of hand-waving about xmlrpc? how about that? 17:47 < kanzure> hehe 17:48 < fenn> data structures! 17:48 < kanzure> JSON! XMLRPC! 17:48 * fenn chases his tail around 17:48 < kanzure> hm something fishy going around 17:48 < kanzure> you don't have a tail 17:48 < fenn> i could say the same thing about skdb you see :) 17:48 < kanzure> or.. do you? 17:48 < fenn> every time i turn around to look, it's behind me 17:49 < fenn> oh, but people won't be carrying their "sartphones" around scanning upc's 17:49 < fenn> so the idea was to have cameras onthe sides of your wearable HUD to constantly scan in the enviroment and build up an environment map 17:50 < kanzure> why is vegeta naked during goku's flashback? 17:50 < fenn> because DBZ is flamingly gay 17:50 < kanzure> hrm 17:50 < kanzure> oh man, don't tell me that :( 17:51 < fenn> next thing you'll realize is that chinese food is just vegetables and syrup 17:51 * fenn wonders if this stupid email is done yet 17:51 < kanzure> who you complaining to now? 17:52 < ybit> Joann Kuchera-Morin / Using the Creative Process to Map N-Dimensions: Quantum Information at your Fingertips 17:52 < fenn> me, my slowness 17:52 < kanzure> you're writing an email to yourself? 17:52 * ybit wonders what that talk is about 17:52 < fenn> i'm responding to marcin. i'll forward to OM 17:52 < fenn> or CC 17:52 < kanzure> ok 18:08 -!- branstrom_ [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Success] 18:36 -!- branstrom_ [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:37 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:40 < fenn> ug there's just no way i'm ever going to port all this knowledge into a parseable format 18:47 < kanzure> nice email 18:53 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-134.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:23 < genehacker> kanzure what time is the meet up tomorrow? 19:28 < kanzure> noon 19:28 < kanzure> or after noon 19:29 < genehacker> noon it is 19:31 < genehacker> what was jason's number again? 19:31 < kanzure> 830-237-7348 19:32 < genehacker> he said he could provide transportation? 19:38 -!- chizu [n=chizu@osuosl/staff/chizu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:38 < genehacker> didn't he? 19:42 < kanzure> yes 19:45 < genehacker> ok then time to pester him 19:52 -!- chizu_ [n=chizu@ash.osuosl.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:55 < genehacker> dang he's not there right now 20:00 < kanzure> fenn: so do you want to re-do step or not? 20:01 < fenn> i think i want to use a different paradigm than the traditional geometry based cad 20:01 < genehacker> fenn you are hacking at a myvu correct? 20:01 < fenn> technique/process based cad instead 20:01 < fenn> genehacker: not yet.. 20:02 < genehacker> you have one correct? 20:02 < fenn> yes 20:02 < genehacker> ok 20:02 < genehacker> have you seen the myvu wearable hacks? 20:02 < fenn> i installed angstrom on an sd card but my beagleboard only boots up halfway 20:02 < fenn> yes i probably was the one who showed you 20:02 < fenn> i talked to gregor.. he didn't seem terribly competent 20:03 < fenn> i don't think i'll have stuff done by the end of the month, so who knows what will happen 20:04 < fenn> need to get electronics junk from warehouse 20:04 < kanzure> fenn: how would you do modeling in process-based cad? 20:04 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-134.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:04 < kanzure> "use function1 of machine1 for 20sec with these parameters" ? 20:04 < fenn> more or less the same way as in geometry cad 20:05 < fenn> except you have a 'end mill button' instead of 'extrude tool' 20:05 < fenn> or something stupid like that 20:05 < fenn> no no the computer figures out the details 20:05 < kanzure> then how is it different from the current situation? 20:05 < fenn> the point is to keep it as simple/unconstrained as possible until the last minute 20:05 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: genehacker 20:06 < kanzure> i agree that it would be better if a process specification would be used in the file format 20:06 < kanzure> sounds like "CSG except for machine processes". but maybe that's not what you mean? 20:06 < fenn> currently it makes a volume enclosed by trimmed surfaces 20:06 < fenn> STEP is not CSG 20:06 < kanzure> i know 20:06 < fenn> say i put a radius on a cube 20:07 < fenn> like, take a block of wood, now run the router with a round over bit around all the edges 20:07 < fenn> it's possible to do this with CSG 20:07 < genehacker2> what is CSG? 20:07 < fenn> but what if it's not a cube? instead some funky 3d shape (with circularly rounded edges) 20:07 < kanzure> CSG is the intersection/union of 3D primitives to make more complicated crap 20:08 < fenn> genehacker2: computational solid geometry; a way of describing a shape by adding and subtracting spheres toruses cones and cubes 20:08 < genehacker2> sounds like a job for geometry classification 20:08 < genehacker2> oh that 20:08 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-134.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:08 < fenn> your geometry classification is nice, but not detailed enough 20:09 < genehacker2> I know 20:09 < genehacker2> there aren't really any good ones out there 20:09 < fenn> this is all way too theoretical 20:09 < fenn> i wish i didnt have to fix this broken shit 20:10 < fenn> smari's f-rep thing might be useful 20:10 < genehacker2> f rep 20:11 < genehacker2> ? 20:11 < fenn> even STEP would be useful if it were easy to store the original constraints that led to the geometry 20:11 < fenn> forget about f-rep, nobody understands it (even the creators) 20:11 < fenn> i am rambling 20:12 < genehacker2> why would you even have a weird shape 20:12 < fenn> genehacker2: find me an accepted standardized way to store 'round this corner 5mm' 20:12 < genehacker2> why would you even want to deal with weird shapes 20:12 < genehacker2> define round this corner? 20:12 < fenn> you know what a fillet is? 20:12 < genehacker2> yeah 20:12 < fenn> that 20:13 < genehacker2> I don't think there are any standards 20:13 < genehacker2> for things like that 20:13 < fenn> see why i'd rather store '5mm' rather than some arbitrary geometry surface? 20:14 < fenn> because later on i can say 'hey just use a 5mm ball end mill' 20:14 < genehacker2> ok 20:15 < fenn> 10mm actually 20:15 < fenn> anyway 20:15 < genehacker2> but if it's a round surface other process can be used besides the ball end mill 20:15 < genehacker2> like weird machining processes 20:16 < fenn> like ECM!!!! 20:16 < kanzure> !11oneone 20:16 < fenn> dude we rock!!11 20:16 < genehacker2> I was about to say that but decided not to... 20:17 < genehacker2> EDM is cooler though 20:17 < fenn> so it seems to be easier to convert from process to geometry than the other way around 20:17 < genehacker2> yeah 20:17 < genehacker2> but that's not the way things work 20:17 < fenn> curious isn't it 20:17 < fenn> why do things the hard way? 20:18 < fenn> i think it's the way they teach engineering 20:19 < fenn> first you have this awesome idea, then you figure out how to build it, then you give it to the poor sod who actually has to make it 20:19 < genehacker2> machining sequence planning might be something to look into 20:19 < fenn> then he gives it back and tells you how to redesign it so he can actually make it 20:19 < fenn> but all that's just a bunch of crap, i say 20:19 < genehacker2> err... unfortunately most engineers forget about the figure out how to build it part 20:19 < fenn> sure because they never actually made anything 20:20 < fenn> so they don't even know how to do that step 20:20 < fenn> i'm a fan of the apprentice system, if you haven't noticed 20:20 < genehacker2> and just hand it to the poor sod, who then proceeds to charge a lot of money for the part being made because they accidently specified the surface finish to shiny 20:20 < fenn> no, that counts as an overbudget failure 20:21 < genehacker2> no not accidently specified but on purpose, because shiny parts look better 20:21 < fenn> it's still a failure in my mind 20:21 < genehacker2> or so my processing professor says of the jobs he does working for a semiconductor company... 20:21 < genehacker2> very much a failure 20:21 < genehacker2> exactly the reason we're doing this 20:22 < fenn> art for art's sake isn't a bad thing 20:22 < fenn> but going 10x overbudget for 'oo shiny' is 20:23 < genehacker2> yeah especially when the shiny thing is hidden deep inside some robot 20:23 < genehacker2> ok found a paper that could be useful 20:23 < fenn> a cruise missile 20:23 < genehacker2> hah 20:23 < fenn> you know that happens 20:23 < genehacker2> http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a713982101 20:23 < fenn> military stuff has to look 'cool' 20:24 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-134.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:24 < genehacker2> well actually the military wants stuff built to high tolerances, BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE DEFENCE OF OUR NATION! 20:24 < fenn> precision machined toilet seats 20:24 < genehacker2> we're going to blow it up, but it has to be machined to withing several nanometers 20:25 < genehacker2> anyway proxy in and get that paper 20:25 < genehacker2> initial skimming operations show it to be interesting 20:25 < fenn> "This module is integrated with a feature-based design system" means they already extracted the simplified representation of the geometry 20:25 < genehacker2> argh 20:25 < genehacker2> too short 20:25 < fenn> i dont really care about algorithms at this point 20:26 < kanzure> why don't you just look at opencascade's api and turn the geometry operations into buttons for heekscad and be done with it? 20:26 < fenn> you missed the whole point 20:26 < fenn> STEP doesn't store stuff like 'round this corner' 20:27 < kanzure> then make a new format? 20:27 < fenn> sigh.. nevermind 20:27 < kanzure> so look, 20:27 < kanzure> if you don't actually want to do anything, 20:27 < kanzure> then why are you bothering? 20:27 < fenn> i'm just bitching because i dont want to make yet another fucking cad format 20:27 < kanzure> i think it's ok as long as you can convert to standard formats 20:28 < fenn> nobody will use it anyway 20:28 < fenn> they will all export to STL 20:28 < kanzure> who will? 20:28 < fenn> and upload gigabytes of high res STL 20:28 < kanzure> why not just make it punch them in the face every time they try to export to STL 20:28 < fenn> anyone who bothers to contribute 20:28 < genehacker2> what about iges 20:29 < kanzure> what about it? 20:29 < fenn> i forget how iges specifies 3d surfaces 20:29 < genehacker2> I'm learning right now 20:29 < genehacker2> but it looks pretty simple 20:30 < kanzure> fenn: i guess you should look at IGESGeom_BSplineSurface.cxx 20:30 < kanzure> in particular the Init method on line 18 20:30 < fenn> um, no. 20:31 < fenn> it's past my bedtime 20:31 < genehacker2> ok I'll look into it 20:32 < genehacker2> hmmm... is that a free food student event going on? 20:32 < genehacker2> meh it's raining 20:48 -!- zancas [n=zancas@h-74-2-87-164.chcgilgm.static.covad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:51 < fenn> "[Open Manufacturing] Hosting" is ... odd 20:51 < kanzure> there's been a few messages that have sounded like spam lately 20:51 < kanzure> oh 20:51 < kanzure> this wasn't one of them 20:52 < kanzure> hm 20:52 < fenn> Alex Rollin sounds familiar, i think he's posted before 20:52 < fenn> but he's a few thousand miles too far to flop in for the night :) 20:53 < kanzure> maybe you have an evil twin living in berlin 20:53 < fenn> nah my evil twin lives in spain 20:53 < fenn> or boston maybe 20:56 < kanzure> who are you to your evil twin? 20:58 < fenn> i wonder why crackpots always randomly capitalize words 20:58 < kanzure> well it's about Economics 20:58 < fenn> i havent asked him 20:59 < fenn> probably 'my not evil enough twin' 21:00 < fenn> it was always such an embarrassment as a kid; all the other mad scientists would make fun of me, daring to dip my pet slink in boiling acid or enslave the local populace with mind control rays 21:00 < fenn> but i could never do it 21:01 < kanzure> "that's when i joined mad scientists anonymous" 21:03 * fenn initializes the electronic sheep counter module 21:03 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-134.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:21 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-134.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:27 < kanzure> how do sessions wokr? 21:27 < kanzure> they don't look like cookies 21:28 < genehacker> huh? 21:28 < kanzure> well i'm wondering if i can throw any arbitrary data structure into a session 21:28 < kanzure> or if it's passed to the user or what 21:29 < kanzure> i think a session is simply a way of passing a cookie with a session id to the browser 21:29 < kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/613967/how-do-php-sessions-work-when-cookies-are-disabled 21:43 < kanzure> ybit: we can pitch in to buy joe some food if that's what he's worried about 21:49 < ybit> i think he's worried that we won't have room, he said he can only fit a total of 5 in his car, and there are five people who need rides 21:49 < kanzure> ok well one of us might have to take a bus 21:50 < ybit> yep 22:18 < ybit> kanzure: did biobasic contact you today? 22:18 < ybit> i've been distracted with the work from the workplace :\ 22:18 < ybit> (minus first instance of the) 22:19 < kanzure> demo time 22:19 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org:8081/ 22:19 < kanzure> no 22:19 < kanzure> username: demo@demo.com 22:19 < kanzure> password: password 22:20 < ybit> error: no dna entered 22:20 < kanzure> yeah.. i'm working on that one 22:20 < ybit> i guess it works if you wanting to demo a login system though.. 22:20 < kanzure> if you go back to the page again and press submit, it works 22:21 < ybit> is there not a format which specified actions? i think i've read this somewhere in some iso.. 22:22 < ybit> s/in/about 22:22 < kanzure> process specification language? it doesn't actually do that 22:22 < ybit> then what does it do? 22:23 < kanzure> beats me 22:24 < ybit> PSL’s objective is to serve as an interlingua for integrating several process-related applications (including production planning, process planning, workflow management and project management) throughout the manufacturing process life cycle. 22:24 < ybit> BAH 22:24 < ybit> grr at capslock! 22:24 < kanzure> did you see the examples i sent to you for psl? 22:25 < ybit> in email? 22:25 < kanzure> yes 22:25 < ybit> when did you send it? 22:25 < kanzure> june? 22:26 < ybit> i don't see it 22:26 < kanzure> whatever, just forget it 22:26 < kanzure> nobody reads my emails anyway 22:26 < ybit> [Open Manufacturing] Recipe representation 22:27 < ybit> i'm guessing that's it, that was january 22:29 < ybit> damn you for making me read a chocolate chip chip recipe when i'm starving over here :P 22:29 < kanzure> that one wasn't psl 22:30 < ybit> 22:31 < ybit> where exactly is reheatFood-ref specified? 22:31 < kanzure> are you reading this? http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/a8d8ee245aaae97d/719e8fd59cfe45a5?lnk=gst&q=recipe+representation#719e8fd59cfe45a5 22:32 < ybit> yes i am 22:33 < ybit> and thanks for bringing it back to my attention 22:46 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-134.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:59 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-61-197.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:59 < genehacker> http://twitter.com/CERN/status/5900287205 22:59 < genehacker> this really is a sign of the apocalypse 22:59 < genehacker> the LHC is using twitter 23:04 < kanzure> neat icytower 1.4 is out 23:07 < genehacker> what is that? 23:07 < genehacker> nvm