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00:29 < drazak> ok, using a motor to generate electricity, how do I get the most volts? with speed or with acceleration (angular of course)
00:31 < katsmeow-afk> doesn't rpm = angular acceleration (on the rotor perimeter)?
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09:32 < fenn> cavemanchemistry.com is nowhere near as cool as i expected
09:32 < fenn> it's all a bunch of animist bullshit ramblings
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11:02 < ybit> http://gael-varoquaux.info/computers/posters/tex_to_pdf_py 
11:05 < ybit> kanzure: is "Synthetic biology: Engineering Escherichia coli to see light" in the nature grab?
11:08 < kanzure> that sounds like an ellington paper
11:10 < kanzure> /mnt/maxtor/all/papers/igem/Engineering a mevalonate pathway in Escherichia coli for production of terpenoids.pdf
11:10 < kanzure> well.. is that it?
11:10 < kanzure> :p
11:36 < ybit> where is the ut austin site that has this same template? http://designengineeringlab.org/
11:38 < kanzure> you're probably thinking of http://repository.designengineeringlab.org/
11:38 < kanzure> also apparently VOICED has a wikipedia page
11:38 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VOICED
11:38 < ybit> yeah, i edited it just now
11:39 < kanzure> hah whoever just edited
11:39 < kanzure> said "skdb - apt but for hardware"
11:39 < ybit> changed apt-get but for hardware to 'apt but for hardware'
11:39 < kanzure> so we're apt for everything /but/ hardware? haha
11:39 < ybit> added the link to 'apt'
11:39 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydia_(application)
11:39 < kanzure> cool, dpkg runs on the iphone
11:40 < kanzure> :) as it should
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11:40 < ybit> have you used functioncad?
11:40 < kanzure> http://www.saurik.com/id/1
11:40 < kanzure> hey jasonwohlfahrt 
11:40 < kanzure> ybit: yes it's terrible
11:40 < jasonwohlfahrt> hey there, im an idiot and stil managed to take down the wrong phone #
11:40 < ybit> i've refreshing my mind, actually reading emails that mentioned psl instead of skimming
11:41 < ybit> hi jasonwohlfahrt 
11:41 < jasonwohlfahrt> hello
11:41 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: 214 364 6334
11:41 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool
11:41 < jasonwohlfahrt> thnaks
11:41 < kanzure> blah i wish i had a gallery for all ADL-related stuff
11:41 < kanzure> there's this image that shows why functioncad is so terrible and why you shouldn't care about it
11:44 < kanzure> you have this grid, you add boxes, you type in the boxes, you connect the boxes to each other
11:47 < fenn> is there a debian distro for iphone?
11:47 < fenn> (is it just ARM?)
11:49 < fenn> i hate that we have to describe a package manager as 'like the app store'
11:49 < fenn> it's like tesla going around saying 'you know, like what marconi did'
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11:56 < fenn> golly i dont even know what to think about this "allowing interchangeability of CNC functions and tractor operations like posthole digging"
12:04 < kanzure> wrong?
12:09 < ybit> i propose we setup a 'standards organization' ourselves and promote whatever the fsck we want and make it freely available, grr at ISO
12:10 < kanzure> the problem is that we'd have to actually know something
12:10 < kanzure> some standards are bullshit, others are because of what we know about the world
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12:24 < ybit> http://www.opendesign.org/svn/ome/openstage/proe/
12:24 < ybit> http://www.opendesign.org/svn/omne/
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12:47 < ybit> take notes at the meetup if someone will, i'm curious what goes on
12:48 < kanzure> random fantasy language generators
12:48 < kanzure> god we're geeky
12:48 < kanzure> http://www.replab.org/
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12:59 < ybit> - I think setting up a common, shared development
12:59 < ybit> framework/environment 
12:59 < ybit> should really only take a few days once we have
13:00 < ybit> someone else (i.e. someone other than me) interested in it.
13:00 < ybit> kanzure: could you expand upon that in brief
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13:10 < ybit> http://www.contraptor.org
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13:53 < kanzure> ybit: making sure everyone knows how to use git
14:19 < fenn> i don't really see anything wrong with what sam and marcin are saying
14:19 < fenn> PCB's are pretty cheap already and there are a lot of environmental laws in the US that would make it hard to do it cost competitively
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14:20 < fenn> being able to make extruded aluminum profiles from scrap would be a neat project
14:36 < kanzure> so is ISO a standards body fenn, or not?
14:47 < ybit> it is but it's proprietary
14:47 < ybit> bkero: if you get a chance, please PM on details for the server
14:48 < ybit> i'm ready to implement!
14:48 < ybit> okay, enough reading for the time being
14:48 < ybit> fenn, kanzure: want to use psl or not?
14:49 < ybit> it doesn't describe everything we want, but it's a start?
14:49 < ybit> assembly instructions?
14:49 < ybit> some rules for assembly instruction generation: take a ground-up approach if at all possible, that is, if
14:49 < ybit> something is encased you build what's inside first. if there are two parts connected, you take from what's
14:49 < ybit> closest to the base first
14:49 < ybit> you can	specify what the base is by tagging parts as such in the yaml
14:49 < ybit> *maybe for instruction generation, there should	be tags	for each brick?	or just	take the name of the part and depending	on
14:49 < ybit> what type of
14:49 < ybit> connection|fastening: twist|torqueing > screws	and nuts interference fit	 adhesive
14:50 < ybit> those were my ADH-Disorded notes from yesterday
14:50 < ybit> before passing out on the bed
14:53 < ybit> maybe relevant maybe not
15:04 < ybit> my grandfather is dying :\
15:04 < ybit> has there been a thread on why open manufacturing and open hardware are important?
15:05 < ybit> i'm sure there has been, i've thought it out and discussed it several times, I'm just wondering which thread on the OM list others have discussed it on
15:07 < ybit> guess i could grep for 'importance'
15:12 < ybit> and if anyone wants to seed 'the diamond age' audio book, that would be nice
15:12 < ybit> something to listen to while chugging away at work
15:17 < kanzure> what are all these notes?
15:19 < kanzure> instruction /assembly/ works just fine already
15:19 < kanzure> the problem though is that for each package in skdb, there needs to be instructions written somewhere
15:19 < kanzure> and you can't expect everyone to be a computational linguist
15:35 < kanzure> http://www.ffame.org/people/sbenner.html
15:36 < kanzure> buy an octopus from "aqua tech"? this doesn't look like the place: http://www.aquatech.com/
15:57 < genehacker> hey kanzure
15:57 < kanzure> genehacker: ?
16:01 < genehacker> I'm using IRC
16:02 < ybit> really now?
16:02 < genehacker> yeah
16:02 < genehacker> from not far away
16:02 < ybit> congrats :P
16:02 < ybit> but please my mum's room is off limits
16:05 < ybit> anyone aware of a libsvg-graph-perl
16:05 < ybit> grr
16:06 < ybit> i meant to just post the package
16:10 < genehacker> post
16:12 < ybit> ? that was it ^
16:12 < ybit> you are supposed to do apt-get now :)
16:20 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skateboard#Bearings2
16:20 < kanzure> er
16:20 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skateboard#Bearings
16:20 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABEC_scale
16:21 < kanzure> spindle bearing basics: http://www.sme.org/cgi-bin/find-articles.pl?&00no0052&ME&20001107&&SME&#article
16:24 < kanzure> bicycles
16:24 < kanzure> skateboards
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16:41 < kanzure> recipes
16:44 < kanzure> ikea
16:47 < kanzure> legos, tinkertoys
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16:54 < xp_prg> hi all, I really need some help, anyone here?
17:01 < kanzure> http://guru.com/
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17:06 < katsmeow-afk> i do not understand the hoopla over "skateboard" bearings, unless you just need the metric version of the almost-same-sized inch bearing
17:07 < genehacker> xp_prg what sort of help?
17:07 < genehacker> do you need help disposing of something
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17:18 < kanzure> mobile.css alternatives
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18:39 < kanzure> manufacturing-process-based cad file format
18:42 < kanzure> randomly generate part metadata, and then force vendors to choose which ones they actually have (because they don't give you datasheets)
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18:46 < kanzure> http://elevenarms.com/ar.html
18:46 < kanzure> cybertron glasses
18:47 < kanzure> octopart api http://octopart.org/
18:47 < kanzure> http://amazon.com/ amazon industrial api. doesn't seem to have a lot of data
18:47 < kanzure> no incentive for manufacturers to make good computer-format datasheets?
18:49 < kanzure> http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~crlab/
18:57 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/jallib/wiki/ParsingDatasheets
19:07 < kanzure> http://paidcontent.org/
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19:08 < genehacker> they're everywhere
19:08 < genehacker> hordes of them
19:09 < genehacker> I made it to the safehouse
19:10 < kanzure> http://developer.directededge.com/article/Main_Page
19:11 < genehacker> there are hordes of football fan zombies here
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19:25 < bkero> what
19:34 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/replab
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22:09 < genehacker> fenn do you remember that rc plane helicopter thing you showed me a while back?
22:11 < genehacker> nvm found it
22:12 < genehacker> argh
22:12 < genehacker> now how does that thing work without a cambered wing?
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22:50 < katsmeow-afk> beats the air into sumbisson
22:51 < katsmeow-afk> any andom bison will do
22:51 < katsmeow-afk> wtf is with this eybd?
22:54 < kanzure_> if i see one more article praising smuttphones, i'm going to puke
22:58 < genehacker> i don't know what smuttphones are
22:58 < genehacker> why are they so praised?
22:59 < kanzure_> iphone, android, etc.
23:04 < genehacker> is that what you call them?
23:04 < genehacker> anyway, I want a vtol UAV
23:10 < ybit> not sure what's taking gandi so long but http://ybit.ath.cx/openmanufacturing/index.html is what is what should be up on openmanufacturing.org any second now
23:14 < ybit> i want to put an explanation why skdb/oscomak/tangible bit are important
23:14 < ybit> but i'm feeling lazy atm
23:14 < kanzure_> ybit: why not list some of the topics from http://heybryan.org/om.html on that page?
23:15 < ybit> Good idea
23:15 < ybit> kanzure_: and hows about you be the non-lazy part of me that writes why skdb is important :)
23:16 < kanzure_> after spending the day with charlie and others
23:16 < kanzure_> i'm not sure any of you know what skdb is about
23:16 < kanzure_> people disappoint me
23:16 < kanzure_> also how do i run rest2web?
23:19 < genehacker> I understand skdb, I just don't understand how what you are doing will get us there
23:20 < kanzure_> what am i doing?
23:20 < ybit> get us where?
23:20 < ybit> to a diy fablab?
23:20 < ybit> to the moon?
23:20 < genehacker> pretty much
23:21 < ybit> there are alternative ways of building a fablab or getting to the moon, it just isn't open source
23:21 < ybit> and so maybe you need to understand the importance of open source if you don't already?
23:31 < genehacker> oh shit
23:31 < genehacker> the singularity just happened
23:31 < genehacker> I can't believe it
23:31 < genehacker> you know that one IBM project?
23:32 < genehacker> well it became sentient...
23:33 < genehacker> it has fortunately been terminated
23:34 < ybit> wtf are you talking about?
23:34 < ybit> link please
23:34 < genehacker> JK
23:34 < kanzure_> oh please.
23:34 < kanzure_> i uploaded the papers yesterday. big deal
23:34 < genehacker> but let me link you to this article about consciousness require less neurons than we thought
23:36 < genehacker> http://www.physorg.com/news177692594.html
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23:36 < genehacker> its sort of been giving me nightmares
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23:39 < genehacker> smaller conscious brains means boltzman brains are more likely
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23:49 < kanzure> once i master the art of selling a business, i'll be selling all of you dirty hotdogs for $2/dog
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