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00:01 < wrldpc2> Alex Lightman says to email him (alex@innofone.com) with any requests/suggestions regarding archival/presentation of videos from hplus summit.
00:01 < wrldpc2> He's having lunch with TechZu Efren tomorrow.
00:01 < QuantumG> are there any from day 1?
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01:00 < fenn> xp_prg: saw you were logged in from hackerdojo...
01:05 < ybit> 21:32 < kanzure> and maybe ybit if he stops pronouncing everything wrong
01:06 < ybit> kanzure: you have that backwards
01:07 < ybit> this is silly but entertaining, who here pronounces SQL as S-Q-L, or do you pronounce it like most people as 'sequel'
01:08 < ybit> just like GUI is gooey and not G-U-I, ick
01:09 < ybit> now SKDB needs a name like 'sokadab' or something :P
01:09 < ybit> i got the job btw
01:16 < fenn> moving to palm springs?
01:17 < fenn> i say S-Q-L but i've heard both
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01:23 < ybit> fenn: yep
01:23 < ybit> not sure when exactly
01:25 < ybit> i want to be there now, as does the guy, but there's family crap to deal with for a few days before heading back
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10:15 < strages>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8400222.stm she surgically removed her fingerprints, flipped them over, and reattached
10:16 < Utopiah> I wonder if , like blind people apparatus to mimic pixel reader, one could make "fingerprints" on demand system :-#
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10:53 < ybit> good morning friends
10:59 < genehacker> perhaps I can get the world on my sleep schedule using solar mirrors
10:59 < genehacker> or not
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11:05 < ybit> :P
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12:15 < xp_prg> fenn and?
12:16 < xp_prg> fenn when you coming to Stanford?
12:17 < xp_prg> I worked on the bioprinter stuff last night
12:17 < xp_prg> we are going to use an epson stylus 1280
12:18 < xp_prg> I could really use help understanding the hydrogel I need to use
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12:26 < genehacker> can you drive it without violating the driver patent?
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12:32 < kanzure> interesting stat from the conference: on average google queries are 5 words in length
12:54 < genehacker> are you still considering that spam king thing?
12:57 < ybit> considering, what?
12:57 < ybit> kanzure: ueah, found that interesting as well
13:02 < xp_prg> genehacker drive what?
13:03 < kanzure> ybit: are you busy at the moment?
13:03 < kanzure> i need someone to figure out the distribution of super-frienders on facebook
13:03 < ybit> heh
13:04 < kanzure> i.e. the top 1% of users on facebook with "the most friends" have how many friends, and the bottom 50% on average have how many friends?
13:04 < ybit> yeah, i'm about to be on the phone for awhile
13:04 < kanzure> er i think this is a good case for a logarithm but i'm not really sure how to make it
13:04 < kanzure> ok maybe someone else would like to do that
13:05 < genehacker> the inkjet
13:06 < genehacker> epson has a patent on the inkjet driver
13:06 < genehacker> which is why one company can't sell them
13:07 < genehacker> though if you can drive it, good job
13:07 < genehacker> are you talking about a probability distribution?
13:07 < genehacker> sounds like a job for the normal distribution
13:09 < kanzure> yes
13:15 < kanzure> but i'm not sure what the distribution looks like for facebook, twitter, or whatever
13:15 < kanzure> on twit
13:15 < kanzure> on twitter it's probably more of a sausage fest or something
13:15 < ybit> that would be interesting, but where does it come into play?
13:16 < ybit> what's its purpose
13:17 < kanzure> communication matrix transhuman tsstuff
13:17 < kanzure> uploading youtube videos, so i'm lagging right now
13:23 < ybit> you talk about uploading vids.. so where are these vids going?
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13:32 < genehacker> something to do with memeing perhaps?
13:48 < kanzure> ybit: youtube
13:48 < kanzure> ybit: still uploading 1/3.. blah
13:53 < kanzure> http://whenisgood.net/ vs. http://doodle.com/ .. looks like doodle at least shows you when everyone else is available, but whenisgood.net has easier select-the-times stuff (you just click on a day/time in the table cells)
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14:03 < kanzure> i wonder why http://kyra.desire.se/ is connected to me
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15:17 < kanzure> wtf i just uploaded it.. how do we have 50 views? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg
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16:16 < kanzure> part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg
16:16 < kanzure> part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9z6H_EFqQ
16:16 < kanzure> part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edl6uFn3_g4
16:27 < QuantumG> heh, couldn't cut out the scientologist dig at the beginning?
16:32 < QuantumG> blue on black slides, fail
16:33 < QuantumG> making me sit up in my chair so I can read it on my lcd
16:33 < QuantumG> kanzure and fenn, making your posture better.
16:39 < kanzure> yeah my posture sucked
16:39 < kanzure> and i forgot to breath half the time
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16:40 < QuantumG> heh, no, *my* posture was being improved by the slides.. there's basically invisible on my lcd monitor when viewed from my regular slouching posture
16:41 < kanzure> the slides on the video suck
16:41 < kanzure> you can download the pdf though
16:41 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/presentations/hplus-summit-2009/hplus-summit-2009-how-to-make.pdf
16:41 < QuantumG> btw, you can link your videos into a series
16:42 < QuantumG> or do the "post a video reply" to link them
16:42 < kanzure> how do i link them into a series (other than post a video reply)
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16:44 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9z6H_EFqQ
16:44 < QuantumG> grr
16:45 < QuantumG> http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=57792
16:45 < QuantumG> you probably want the "From your Account:" 
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17:11 < kanzure> "James:  she sees you like a little brother who doesn't have anyone telling you how things are or helping steer you"
17:13 < kanzure> hm he wants me to go work for dean kamen
17:14 < kanzure> why does dean kamen sound like a fragrance-product-for-men instead of the evil mad scientist that he is? hell he even has his own island
17:15 < genehacker> work for dean kamen?
17:15 < kanzure> yeah.. i don't think so.
17:16 < genehacker> perhaps you should consider working for danny hillis instead
17:16 < kanzure> i don't want to work for anyone
17:16 < genehacker> who suggested you work with kamen
17:16 < kanzure> james clement
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17:18 < genehacker> never heard of him
17:19 < genehacker> I don't see how dean kamen has anything to do with skdb
17:20 < genehacker> heh he might even be against it
17:20 < genehacker> especially if it allows people to pirate segways
17:21 < genehacker> anyway I got some stuff I want to put into skdb
17:21 < genehacker> it's in .stl though
17:22 < genehacker> it's not on thingiverse either
17:23 < kanzure> i would rather not deal with .stl
17:24 < genehacker> too bad it's in .stl and I don't have the original file
17:24 < genehacker> or I could get the original file, but it will be a while
17:25 < genehacker> I've done some documentation on it though
17:25 < genehacker> hasn't been tested in the real world
17:25 < genehacker> er.. two things
17:32 < kanzure> hm instructables started with k'nex?
17:35 < genehacker> they did?
17:35 < genehacker> that explains a lot
17:45 < kanzure> average twitter user has 126 followers?
17:47 < Utopiah> more like 12 I think
17:49 < kanzure> neat, distribution of follower counts: http://bit.ly/sotwitter
17:49 < kanzure> page 5 of the pdf
17:50 < Utopiah> long tail?
17:52 < kanzure> looks like it 
17:52 < kanzure> i wish their graph was better though
17:53 < kanzure> 10 people having 9k followers? what about the twitter superstars with 100k+ followers
17:53 < kanzure> http://twitterholic.com/
17:53 < kanzure> some people have a few million followers
17:53 < kanzure> obama has 2.8M for instance
17:53 < Utopiah> unit might be x1000 on the x axis
17:54 < kanzure> i don't think so, followers max out at 4M
17:54 < kanzure> according to twitterholic.com
17:56 < kanzure> i think looking at the "friends" count will give a much smoother longtail plot
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18:04 < Utopiah> opinions on http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ideapad/ ?
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18:55 < bkero> Which?
18:55 < bkero> Some are OK, most are crap
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19:01 < Utopiah> ok, just wondering, I have an X31 now but if it were to break (... unlikely but, just in case) I was considering buying one of those
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19:18 < Utopiah> brillant
19:18 < Utopiah> opening with a quote on Scientology, bit less brillant :P
19:19 < Utopiah> anyway, thanks for sharing
19:20 < Utopiah> btw on the seed metaphor, have you watched  ? (anime on terraforming)
19:22 < kanzure> no? can you find the name?
19:23 < Utopiah> (yes, was looking for the intro with nice but scray visuals)
19:23 < Utopiah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGoR23Wouk
19:23 < Utopiah> ( use http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGoR23Wouk&fmt=18 to force HQ)
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19:54 < kanzure> hm andrew has some contacts at autodesk
19:58 < Utopiah> in part 3, the host talk about locally available pieces
19:59 < kanzure> host was todd huffman
19:59 < Utopiah> is it planned to have a "localized" version of the design/blueprint then? could be a nice automated addition
19:59 < Utopiah> (maybe based simple on the list of available items/tools)
20:02 < Utopiah> well I guess it would be the case anyway in a fully integrated system when you just have a "build" function, forget it
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20:19 < kristian1aul> hello
20:20 < Utopiah> hi kristian1aul ;) saw the channel on the video I suppose
20:21 < kristian1aul> Utopiah: ;)
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20:27 < any90454102> ack!
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20:27 < katsmeow> i hate to see a kay with mindspillage
20:27 < katsmeow> i hate to see a kat with mindspillage
20:27 < katsmeow> i hate this keybd to :-|
20:27 < katsmeow> o
20:27  * mindspillage raises an eyebrow
20:28  * katsmeow watches it intently
20:28 < mindspillage> Forgive me for not finding your original nick distinctive -- have we met?
20:29 < katsmeow> nono,, i see you have "Kat" in your irc signon stuff, nevermind
20:29 < katsmeow> anynumbers i pick when loging back on after a disconenct, ignore that,, err, me, sorry, no botehr 
20:30 < mindspillage> katsmeow: ah, OK. Just wondering if there's something I ought to remember and don't. (Kat is my name, but "mindspiallge" is much better for search...)
20:30  * katsmeow hides
20:30 < mindspillage> even better not typoed.
20:30  * katsmeow is so sadly aware of h ineptness with this new keybd
20:31 < katsmeow> her
20:31 < katsmeow> weo;ribrhyt;owehfl;iaendfh k;
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20:32 < kanzure> hey thesnark 
20:32 < kanzure> hi mindspillage 
20:32 < thesnark> salut
20:33 < katsmeow> i was going to pull chips off these 200 cable boxes for selling on ebay, but since there's people sellng 300 chips for as little as $10, i think i won't botehr
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20:34 < kanzure> hello kristianpaul 
20:34 < kristianpaul> kanzure: hola :)
20:35 < kanzure> what's up?
20:38 < kristianpaul> well... for now printing a reprap :)
20:38 < kanzure> alright. fair enough.
20:42 < kristianpaul> kanzure: what's the status of skdb?
20:42 < kanzure> we need more people who have IGES/STEP models to spontaneously show up :)
20:42 < kristianpaul> i see :p
20:43 < kanzure> right now we have screws, bearings, threads and legos in skdb
20:43 < kanzure> and there's a website (think thingiverse on steroids, crossed with instructables mated with a clue stick)
20:43 < kristianpaul> what about electronics?
20:43 < kanzure> nothing in there yet.. but there should be
20:44 < kanzure> in fact electronics are even easier than most of this other crap
20:44 < kanzure> i have been thinking about writing a scraper to extract data from electronics datasheets
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20:45 < kristianpaul> and well, repraped parts could help if you get how to build one first of course
20:45 < kanzure> well i've been having something of a philosophical or technical crisis or something
20:46 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure it's better if we all reject STL
20:46 < kanzure> we can convert from solid geometry to STL easily
20:46 < kanzure> but we can't convert from STL to anything else
20:46  * thesnark laughs
20:46 < thesnark> sounds familiar
20:46 < thesnark> STL is really not that great
20:46 < kanzure> so if you give skdb STL, nobody can edit it too well
20:46 < kanzure> thesnark: unfortunately that's what everyone uses :(
20:47 < kristianpaul> 21:46 < kanzure> we can convert from solid geometry to STL easily
20:47  * kanzure nods
20:47 < kristianpaul> how easily?
20:47 < kanzure> open, save
20:47 < kanzure> heh
20:47 < kanzure> yeah it's a common function in any CAD program :)
20:47 < kristianpaul> hmm
20:48 < kristianpaul> okay may be i tought other think
20:48 < kanzure> what?
20:48 < thesnark> hahaha
20:48 < kanzure> sorry a train wreck just hit me in the face
20:49 < kristianpaul> kanzure: about 3d modeling stuff
20:49 < kanzure> ok
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20:49 < kanzure> mindspillage: i was talking with a lawyer from EFF the other day about open source hardware
20:50 < kanzure> he didn't know much (and he admitted this immediately).. hard to find good lawyers
20:50 < mindspillage> Ah, yeah--EFF has "staff technologists" to translate though.
20:50 < thesnark> it's a relatively new legal phenomenon 
20:57 < mindspillage> (kanzure: was reminded of this channel seeing your h+ summit transcripts; thanks for putting those up!)
21:04 < kanzure> yay
21:04 < kanzure> no problem
21:04 < kanzure> my fingers hurt afterwards though :(
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21:18 < QuantumG> so kanzure, was it you or fenn that has the lathe?
21:20 < kanzure> fenn.
21:21 < QuantumG> how big is it?
21:21 < kanzure> i saw it once. it looked like it wouldn't be wrong to call it "desktop-size"
21:22 < QuantumG> for some reason I got the idea fenn was your housemate?
21:22 < kanzure> he's staying in california for a while
21:22 < kanzure> it makes sense: who the hell (besides me apparently) goes to california for only three days
21:22 < QuantumG> ahh ok
21:22 < QuantumG> heh
21:23 < QuantumG> I met a machinist in my welding class.. he's buying a lathe and a mill for xmas (or shortly after) and has indicated to me that he would be willing to teach me some stuff.
21:23 < QuantumG> .. and if not will do work for me cheaply.
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21:35 < katsmeow-afk>  hope ybit left his windows down, they are getting pounded up tehre atm, weatherwise
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22:21 < kanzure> marcin's talk: http://www.justin.tv/clip/7c40a8bf7e293dd5
22:49 < wrldpc2> What does everyone think of RU Sirius' marginalization of DIY at the HPlus Summit?
23:16 < kanzure> meh, eventually someone has to do something
23:17 < kanzure> i hitched a ride with him at one point. he was saying "we would love to have you write an article."
23:17 < kanzure> he quickly added: "with an editor."
23:17 < kanzure> :p
23:20 < QuantumG> I really wish more people would use gmail.. or at least a threaded email program.. when replying to mailing lists.
23:21 < QuantumG> someone makes a trivial mistake and 10 people jump on him with the same correction.
23:46 < ybit> books mentioned in the sci-fi lunch session with alex lightman:
23:46 < ybit> 1) Blood Music by Greg Behr
23:46 < ybit> 2) Suicidal Tendencies
23:46 < ybit> 3) The Notion of Markets
23:46 < ybit> 4) Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom
23:46 < ybit> 5) Reputation in the Social Economy
23:46 < ybit> 6) Excelerando by Charles Stross
23:46 < ybit> 7) Haulting State by Charles Stross
23:46 < ybit> 8) Rainbow's End
23:46 < ybit> 9) The Age of Spiritual Machines
23:46 < ybit> 10) Beggars in Spain by Nancy Crest
23:46 < ybit> 11) Spark (ref. exercise and the brain)
23:46 < ybit> 12) Kill People, by David Bryn
23:47 < ybit> 13) Superman (idea of U.N. Men --> clone brothers)
23:47 < ybit> 14) Malcolm Gladwell's Outlyers
23:47 < ybit> 15) The Talent Code. 
23:47 < ybit> s/Excelerando/Accelerando
23:47 < ybit> Beggers, etc. ignore spelling errors
23:47 < QuantumG> read Accelerando
23:48 < QuantumG> and 4
23:48 < QuantumG> started in 8 a few times, but it was an ebook, meh
23:48 < ybit> hmm.. i know i have more that were just mentioned in passing written down somewhere...
23:48 < QuantumG> oh and 9, yes, read the whole thing in the library one day, didn't feel the need to read it slower
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