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00:00 < genehacker2> *cell
00:00 < genehacker2> and assembly
00:00 < fenn> yeah it's called a metrology frame
00:00 < fenn> why re-fixture when you can do it in place
00:01 < fenn> anyway that's getting ahead of ourselves
00:01 < fenn> nobody is doing hobby-level CMM that i know of
00:03 < genehacker2> what about when you're assembling multiple parts?
00:08 < genehacker2> so the idea is, here's some cad files for an iron man suit go build them robots
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00:10 < genehacker2> so all those pallet changing mills start milling pieces for the suit, transfer them to a transfer system to the assembling station where they're assembled
00:11 < genehacker2> Today two or more CNC machines are considered a flexible cell and two ore more cells are considered a flexible manufacturing system.
00:11 < genehacker2> Thus, a Flexible Manufacturing System (FMS) consists of several machine tools along with part and tool handling devices such as robots, arranged so that it can handle any family of parts for which it has been designed and developed. 
00:11 < genehacker2> http://www.uky.edu/~dsianita/611/fms.html
00:14 < kanzure> germany's first fablab: http://hci.rwth-aachen.de/fablab
00:15 < genehacker2> we really need one here...
00:16 < kanzure> i'm not so sure what i want any more: something mobile, or something in one place, and if it's in one place, where do i want it?
00:17 < genehacker2> why do you want a mobile fab lab?
00:17 < kanzure> because being stuck in one spot sucks
00:17 < kanzure> but to be honest i don't really move much
00:17 < kanzure> but maybe i don't move because it's so annoyingly difficult? whatever
00:17 < genehacker2> so first off what do you need for a fab lab?
00:18 < genehacker2> and is it impractical to move by road
00:19 < genehacker2> would you need a convoy full of fablab equipment to move a fablab
00:19 < kanzure> no, CBA did one in a trailer
00:19 < kanzure> but it was kind of cramped and honestly i don't think it had everything
00:19 < kanzure> it looked like it was just an epilog laser.. but what do i know
00:20 < genehacker2> so what advantages does a mobile fab lab have?
00:20 < kanzure> you're not stuck
00:20 < genehacker2> and?
00:21 < genehacker2> so how do people find the mobile fab lab?
00:21 < kanzure> it's probably stuck in a parking lot somewhere now
00:21 < kanzure> but it was active in 2007
00:21 < kanzure> there's a youtube video about it 
00:21 < kanzure> http://youtube.com/user/kanzure has it listed somewhere
00:22 < genehacker2> I saw the video
00:22 < genehacker2> where does the fab lab park?
00:22 < kanzure> i don't know, otherwise i'd go hijack it's ass :)
00:22 < kanzure> its'
00:22 < kanzure> er
00:22 < kanzure> it's
00:24 < fenn> doesn't seem very flexible if everything has to be a cube
00:24 < genehacker2> are you perhaps trying to make a mobile war robot factory?
00:24 < kanzure> no go away
00:24 < genehacker2> there would be advantages to making that mobile
00:25 < genehacker2> perhaps a fab lab would be useful for holding hackerspace meetings anywhere
00:26 < genehacker2> so I guess there can be advantages
00:26 < fenn> the important thing i think is to separate mass and function, so you can throw away the mass when its time to transport
00:27 < fenn> that's what i did with the gingery.. built a big chunk of concrete to sit on
00:27 < fenn> of course volume is a problem too, but less so since you can usually disassemble things for better packing
00:27 < genehacker2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_fab_lab
00:27 < genehacker2> inventory
00:28 < fenn> ooo so impressive "The custom cabinetry within the trailer is an example of a lab producing a part of another lab."
00:28 < kanzure> andrew wants to do HCL+microprocessors to make some money off of the gold
00:28 < fenn> DIY cabinets!
00:28  * fenn forgot the snark marks
00:28 < genehacker2> oh dear
00:28 < genehacker2> that can get pretty messy
00:29 < kanzure> yeah i'm trying to tell him he's a moron
00:29 < genehacker2> why not just vaporize them with intense sunlight and extract all useful elements
00:30 < genehacker2> there isn't much gold in microchips
00:30 < fenn> how come nobody has made a hektor inkjet wall printer yet?
00:31 < genehacker2> http://www.theuncommonsenseblog.com/blog.asp?id=179
00:32 < genehacker2> BUY UP MICROCHIPS SELL THEM WHEN YOU ARE LOW ON CASH
00:32 < kanzure> does inkjet work upside down and sideways?
00:32 < kanzure> QuantumG: any hints? has NASA flown up an inkjet or laserjet yet
00:33 < genehacker2> yes
00:33 < genehacker2> they ahve
00:33 < kanzure> er, s/laserjet/laser printer/
00:33 < genehacker2> actually got to see one about to go to the space station and I asked them about it
00:33 < fenn> genehacker2: that was the stupidest article i've read in a long time. thanks.
00:34 < genehacker2> no modifications except for a coating on the electronics to prevent accumulated moisture from mucking things up
00:34 < genehacker2> you're welcome
00:35 < genehacker2> kanzure if the droplets are small enough it shouldn't matter
00:36 < QuantumG> kanzure: I believe there is a color printer on-orbit
00:36 < QuantumG> they're always going on about using up the color ink
00:36 < QuantumG> no idea if it is inkjet :)
00:37 < genehacker2> I think the one I saw was an inkjet
00:37 < kanzure> oh man
00:37 < genehacker2> not sure though
00:37 < kanzure> he's playing with sulfuric acid and 99% HCL
00:37 < kanzure> 16M HCL
00:37 < kanzure> ok not 99%
00:37 < genehacker2> who's doing this?
00:38 < kanzure> andrew
00:38 < kanzure> younger brother of mine
00:38 < genehacker2> why?
00:38 < genehacker2> to make money?
00:38 < kanzure> he has access to chemicals through his high school
00:38 < genehacker2> or just to dissolve the chip?
00:42 < genehacker2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digger_gold
01:27 < fenn> http://improbable.com/2009/12/09/cant-kiss-a-cardboard-vampire/
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10:17 < kanzure> http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2009/11/the-humanityplus-summit/ hm.. "frabratories" ??
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11:05 < kanzure> i wonder why "google goggles" only works on an android
11:06 < kanzure> in particular this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhgfz0zPmH4
11:06 < Utopiah> because Google is sponsoring Android?
11:10 < kanzure> no i mean why wouldn't they allow this to work on youtube or something
11:10 < kanzure> oh well. off to another meeting.
11:12 < kanzure> shouldn't there be a tool by now to predict whether or not a tweet will be retweeted?
11:12 < kanzure> i'm hungry for some data
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12:28 < kanzure> can anyone find this?  Path loss, scattering and multipath delay statistics in four European cities for digital cellular and microcellular radiotelephone  
12:56 < faceface> lemmy check
12:57 < faceface> seems not
13:02 < faceface> do you have that ff extension that finds passwords for you?
13:02 < faceface> I never tried it, but it may help here
13:11 < kanzure> i don't know what you're talking about
13:13 < Utopiah> faceface: http://www.bugmenot.com/ with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6349
13:18  * faceface retweets Utopiah @kanzure 
13:20 < Utopiah> faceface: about the open chain?
13:22 < Utopiah> regarding your http://www.slideshare.net/danbolser/wikipedia-and-the-global-brain you might like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-species_foraging_flock if you didn't know it yet
13:30 < faceface> open chain?
13:30 < faceface> Utopiah: nice
13:30 < faceface> bacterial films are the same
13:31 < faceface> films are collective behaviour in bacteria that is highly relevant to antibiotic resistance and other 'big' problems
13:31 < faceface> generally they form the film as a mix of species
13:33 < Utopiah> faceface: oh, since you said retweets I thought you meant actually on twitter and since I talked about open manufacting (as a part of the overall production chain) I guessed it was related, but you actually meant on IRC for bugmenot
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13:38 < faceface> yeah
13:38 < faceface> currently I'm tweeting my musical choices, but I'm not sure why
13:38 < faceface> before that it was my bash commands.
13:39 < faceface> you can find about a months worth of bash commands on one of my twitter accounts
13:39 < faceface> nobody seemed to notice ;-)
13:40 < Utopiah> faceface: if you want to make your bash commands public try http://shell-sink.blogspot.com/ or http://www.commandlinefu.com/
13:41 < faceface> cool
13:41 < Utopiah> CommandLifeFu provides RSS so if you want, as a welcome screen you can have the command of the day
13:42 < Utopiah> lol, CommandLiNeFu ;)
13:43 < Utopiah> there is still no CLI for real life (no, crappy domotics doesn't count)
13:43 < faceface> Results 1 - 10 of about 101 for "lifefoo" -fighters
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14:19 < kanzure> ugh mackenzie is doing a biobrick trading card game.. with the freeze-dried samples on the cards themselves
14:22 < faceface> kanzure: I guess it's OK, if your target audience is 5
14:22 < faceface> years old
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16:21 < CIA-33> skdb: kanzure voiced * r d77780e /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: fix XYZ issue on saving graphs
16:39 < CIA-33> skdb: kanzure voiced * r 89253c9 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: add shapes to the gxml output
16:49 < kanzure> wtf why would they graft human penises to rat kidneys
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17:36 < CIA-33> skdb: kanzure voiced * r 682ae23 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: fix localLabel->string
17:37 < CIA-33> skdb: kanzure voiced * r be14906 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: fix localVariable->double
17:40 < ybit> wtf is with this http://pastebin.com/m4a1ff96c
17:41 < ybit> kanzure: #bioinformatics is talking about you
17:41 < ybit> ..and saying dirty words like courageous
17:42 < ybit> i made up that last part
17:43 < kanzure> probably a swig problem
17:50 < kanzure> mac's sister is cooler than my sister :(
17:50 < kanzure> she writes in complete sentences :(
18:14 < ybit> kanzure or fenn: will one of you put your python2.6/site-packages/OCC/AlienImage.py file somewhere i can copy
18:15 < ybit> mine looks like there are quite a few lines missing
18:15 < ybit> there's an incomplete class declaration
18:17 < Utopiah> http://gizmodo.com/5415331/lg-expo-its-got-a-pico-projector-bolted-to-the-back-of-course
18:25 < ybit> ah, nm
18:30 < kanzure> you're doing something wrong if you have to manually edit it
18:36 < bkero> You guys do your conference yet?
18:40 < kanzure> bkero: yep
18:40 < kanzure> bkero: video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg
18:40 < ybit> bkero: that was this past weekend
18:40 < bkero> Sad I couldn't go, that's pretty awesome
18:40 < ybit> kanzure: yeah, i've never had to edit the file... i'm thinking that it was missing some stuff from a previous install when i stopped whatever it was doing in the middle
18:46 < bkero> Last week was dead week and this week is finals though. :(  Tough
18:46 < bkero> Although I didn't have anything on Monday, I could have probably gotten away with it
18:49 < bkero> kanzure: Love the "Say you were stranded on Mars..." section
18:50 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroelectricity
18:50 < QuantumG> http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/grad/681/mathur_scott_mferroics.pdf
18:50 < QuantumG> http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0912/0912.1031v1.pdf
18:50 < QuantumG> All very interesting, now what we need is someone to turn all that
18:50 < QuantumG> "talk" into an experiment which produces *observable* results.
18:51 < kanzure> wait wait i thought you would have known about ferroelectricity and ferromagnetism and so on?
18:51 < kanzure> and pyroelectricity and such
18:52 < QuantumG> ya, it's the last paper which is new
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20:49 < kanzure> salt water electroplating for machining?
20:50 < kanzure> at least that's the idea that trey is pitching me for the moment
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21:02 < kanzure> hi danielcc 
21:03 < kanzure> please feel free to jot down your notes on electroplating machining
21:03 < danielcc> hows everyone today?
21:03 < danielcc> ah
21:03 < danielcc> yes
21:03 < danielcc> reverse electroplating
21:03 < kanzure> oops
21:03 < danielcc> basicly you use electricity and a electrolyte to etch away a material
21:04 < danielcc> you can be as precise or damaging as you want
21:05 < danielcc> here is a poorly done example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OInsU-DFgY
21:05 < danielcc> anyhow
21:05 < danielcc> you can fit a small needle onto a cnc and carve out what ever the hell you want
21:07 < danielcc> interestingly it is also a good way to recover gold and other precious metals
21:21 < kanzure> genehacker: you around?
21:21 < kanzure> weren't you wanting to do this
21:35 < kanzure> fenn: carissa was so excited today and she wanted to show me something on my laptop.. she pulled up ldd.lego.com and was so sad when it wasn't linux compatible.
21:35 < kanzure> were you running it under wine?
21:38 < genehacker> yes I think I'm around
21:39 < genehacker> suffering from a bit of finals fallout though
21:39 < danielcc> arent we all
21:39 < genehacker> it's not electroplating machining it's called
21:39 < genehacker> let me dig out my book
21:39 < danielcc> nothing the captain cant fix lol
21:40 < genehacker> shaped tube electrolyte machining
21:41 < genehacker> it's a form of electrochemical machining
21:41 < genehacker> oh dang
21:41 < genehacker> theo gray did that
21:41 < danielcc> indeed
21:42 < genehacker> now where the heck is my popular science I know I'm subscribed to it, but it never shows up...
21:43 < danielcc> im thinking using something like a hypodermic needle
21:43 < danielcc> for precision work
21:43 < danielcc> just use low voltage high amp
21:43 < genehacker> so here's what i've heard
21:44 < genehacker> stainless steel doesn't do so well electrochemically
21:44 < genehacker> something about the chlorine or something like that
21:44 < genehacker> but it's worth a try, I've been wanting to do the exact same thing
21:44 < danielcc> i hear it makes some nasty fumes
21:44 < genehacker> though you might not want to use a hypodermic needle, those things are sharp
21:45 < danielcc> well
21:45 < danielcc> something allong the lines
21:45 < danielcc> thing thing tube
21:45 < danielcc> you can grind or cut the tip off
21:45 < genehacker> pah, just direct the fumes through something highly basic like limestone to neutralize the HCl
21:45 < genehacker> hypodermic needles are hard to buy
21:45 < genehacker> buy blunt tiped dispensing needles instead
21:46 < genehacker> http://www.zeph.com/applicator_tips.htm
21:46 < genehacker> I bought some for a flamethrower
21:47 < danielcc> not really. any farm supply store has them for roughly 50 cents a piece.
21:48 < danielcc> wait flamethrower?
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21:49 < genehacker> dispensing needles are nice because they're made for dispensing and blunt tipped
21:49 < genehacker> yeah flame thrower
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22:03 < ybit> i'm here
22:03 < kanzure> marcin's number is 816 256 3839
22:03 < ybit> gracias
22:03 < ybit> that was super quick
22:03 < kanzure> did you just insult my mother
22:04 < kanzure> james jones left a message? huh 830 612 1305
22:06 < ybit> where is marcin's place in missouri? i'm sitting with a friend here in a trucker stop, and we are thinking of going to missouri, just wondering where marcin's place is located..
22:06 < kanzure> i'm not sure. i have family in odessa btw
22:07 < kanzure> in fact, andrew and carissa will be there this coming week
22:07 < kanzure> (apparently i'm not attending christmas)
22:32 < ybit> i didnt' know you had a brother
22:32 < ybit> what's his age?
22:32 < kanzure> 17
22:33 < ybit> hmm, what does he get into?
22:33 < ybit> and why is he not on irc?
22:33 < kanzure> business and money
22:34 < kanzure> he thinks i'm mentally retarded. maybe i am.
22:35 < genehacker2> he's the one trying to dissolve microchips to get the gold
22:35 < genehacker2> I think the gold in there is equivalent to the amount of aluminum in a potato chip bag
22:38 < kanzure> none?
22:38 < kanzure> he was saying gold is at $1.2k/oz
22:40 < genehacker2> wrong
22:40 < kanzure> yes he is wrong very often
22:40 < genehacker2> wrong it's ~$600 per ounce
22:41 < genehacker2> off by a factor of two
22:43 < genehacker2> anyway you'd best tell him about all those nasty heavy metals he'll have to dispose of
22:43 < genehacker2> or he'll go mad as a hatter or the EPA will for him
22:43 < genehacker2> did you hear about that mercury incident?
22:44 < genehacker2> well some kids found a bottle of mercury in their school, they had no idea what it was and basically spread it everywhere, homes, school, playground, local businesses ETC
22:45 < genehacker2> the EPA spent a lot of money cleaning it up because mecury levels exceeded federal guidelines by many factors
23:11 < genehacker2> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/12/open_source_hardware_2009_-_the_def.html
23:50 -!- mindspillage is now known as mind|wandering