--- Day changed Mon Dec 14 2009 00:02 < technologicle1> i met with les about a hackerspace - and no reply from the other lead 00:03 < kanzure> ah good 00:03 < technologicle1> he said $250/month for a space 00:03 < kanzure> he never gave fenn a key 00:04 < kanzure> honestly i think we should put something together elsewhere 00:04 < technologicle1> i was polite, but i think a diferent model would work better 00:04 < technologicle1> well, there is some space at my place 00:04 < kanzure> yeah i just don't have any funding 00:04 < kanzure> how much space? 00:05 < kanzure> and what do you.. er, have? 00:05 < technologicle1> the way i see it i already pay rent and the garage is unused 00:05 < technologicle1> as well as the second living room 00:05 < kanzure> how big is the garage?? location? 00:05 < kanzure> sorry for the double question marks 00:05 < kanzure> i'm lagging over here (uploading more youtube videos ) 00:06 < technologicle1> but theres internet and infrastructure - kitchen water electric rest room 00:06 < kanzure> i'm at south lamar and ben white (near les' shop) 00:06 < technologicle1> spelling and puctuation are rules to be altered as one sees fit ; ) 00:07 < technologicle1> i'm off of stassney and 1st, pretty close myself 00:07 < kanzure> that sounds like expensive real estate 00:07 < technologicle1> a few things struck me as odd about the deal 00:08 < technologicle1> and yes 250 for a cubicle that is yet to be built and a questionable leadership is pricey 00:08 < kanzure> yep 00:08 < kanzure> they still aren't built? 00:09 < technologicle1> nothing - and for someone who says they have been there for 20 years and is a woodworker - that seems odd 00:10 < technologicle1> i could frame up a room out of scrap lumber in a day w/ a broken leg - and not all that much practice 00:10 < kanzure> well. i'm free tomorrow after noon if you want to hang out some. i just have to do this tech demo at the uni and then i'm hopping back home 00:10 < technologicle1> helll ya - is it dorkbot? 00:10 < kanzure> (demo is at 8 in the morning, guh) 00:10 < kanzure> no i'm not going 00:10 < kanzure> i've been lamed out by them too many times 00:10 < technologicle1> i would but i don't know about Uni parking - College station scarred me 00:11 < kanzure> there is no parking, you'd have to show up by bus 00:11 < technologicle1> ug - i wasnt kidding about the broken leg 00:12 < technologicle1> thats fine - i don't need to see LEDs - it's all about the people 00:12 < kanzure> so yeah, how about lunch? i'm cooped up in here all day. . 00:12 < technologicle1> this might be percieved as lame - but a facebook page could go a long way in bringing people together 00:12 < kanzure> ihave one and it hasn't done much for me 00:12 < technologicle1> great - i can provide transport or meet anywhere 00:13 < technologicle1> i'm working with a 'social media consultant' and artists and musicians - i might have just the thing 00:13 < kanzure> who? what? 00:14 < technologicle1> her name is Meg Strout - she does this professionally 00:14 < kanzure> anyway, i'll give you a call tomorrow 00:14 < technologicle1> we are putting together this 'Artist Collective' type thing 00:14 < kanzure> i'm falling asleep 00:14 < technologicle1> but to me it is more than that 00:14 < kanzure> oh boy.. more artists 00:14 < technologicle1> rest up 00:15 < technologicle1> - i consider it practice for the Open Source Movement that is about to take off ; ) 00:15 < kanzure> marcin jakubowski's talk (1/2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpGyDjvTqaQ 00:16 < technologicle1> the artist musician stuff is my - helping the community - i do tech stuff for them when they need it - or inform them that they do need it 00:16 < kanzure> marcin jakubowski's talk (2/2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2mzNhQG0ug 00:16 < technologicle1> so ya - i'll let you get to your presentation, then you can call or messege me whenever 00:17 < technologicle1> i'll send my number by g chat 00:17 < technologicle1> i have your number in my phone already - just in case ; 0 00:19 < kanzure> o' 00:19 < kanzure> i've been really surprised by how few random internet calls i get (0) 00:20 < technologicle1> riiight - when i get an unlimited service i will proble be more free about posting it - gotta get a webphone - smartphone anything w/ linux 00:23 < technologicle1> but then again i get random stuff anyway - so i might as well make better use of the service 00:25 < kanzure> i'm serious. i get nothing. :( 00:25 < kanzure> maybe i don't know my own number? 00:26 < technologicle1> i would say most of the calls i get (not many) i do not want 00:26 < kanzure> here's a list of all calls i have received: 00:26 < technologicle1> but i'm not much of a phone person 00:26 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog.txt 00:26 < technologicle1> how did you get that? 00:26 < kanzure> i made it 00:27 < technologicle1> and i want to know more about the 1000 tabs thing were mentioned 00:27 < technologicle1> did you tether to a computer and download it? 00:27 < kanzure> your sentence broke (or i'm half asleep- watching the rest of star wars) 00:28 < technologicle1> the bit about how you keep all your info and people organized 00:29 < kanzure> in due time 00:29 < kanzure> night world 00:30 < fenn> huh lee is from austin 00:32 < technologicle1> hey fenn - been rading your posts for awhile - lots of good links 00:32 < technologicle1> i'm in austin 00:33 < technologicle1> i moved here in part because a hackerspace was supposed to open - like last month 00:33 < technologicle1> also this is the heart of the texas silicon valley 00:33 < technologicle1> i figured there would be broken wafers and lab equimpent lining the streets 00:34 < technologicle1> and a wealth of technically minded people 00:34 < technologicle1> the way i see it - this is where everyones hard work comes together and takes off 00:34 < fenn> yeah i heard something about this top-secret hackerspace 00:34 < kanzure> huh? 00:35 < kanzure> er, i mean, snore snore snore 00:35 < technologicle1> tell me more - as for the moment - i want to use my place - i work around the clock anyway 00:35 < fenn> technologicle1: i think maybe you were thinking of singapore or shenzhen 00:36 < technologicle1> MAN - if the shenzhen would get into reprap and all this Open Manufacturing - it would be done by now! 00:36 < technologicle1> - with a built in radio - ; ) 00:36 < technologicle1> oh and not that it matters but that is supposed to be technologiclee - whatev 00:37 < fenn> heh they are decades ahead of us 00:37 < technologicle1> really thou - how could we get in contact with them 00:37 < fenn> er. learn chinese? 00:37 < technologicle1> i did not see an email addy in the articles poster to Open Manu. ; 0 00:38 < technologicle1> umm realisticly they can speak english better than i will ever speak chinease 00:38 < fenn> you are probably right 00:38 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:38 < technologicle1> although i have thought it would nice to get a job proofreading their manuals and such 00:39 < fenn> i think a lot of the engrish comes from bad dictionaries 00:39 < fenn> its like whoever wrote the dictionary didnt know english 00:39 < technologicle1> seems like babblefish would do the trick 00:39 < technologicle1> who in austin has a rep rap or such? 00:39 < fenn> so to translate engrish -> english you have to use one of the bad dictionaries to figure out what they're trying to say 00:40 < fenn> hm. david treadwell has a makerbot, not sure if it's assembled yet 00:40 < fenn> i dont really know anyone in austin i guess 00:41 < technologicle1> i pretty much understand everyone - regardless - i learned all the rules - i just don't think it is necessary to use them 00:41 < fenn> nah some of these are like code words 00:41 -!- any28212201 is now known as katsmeow 00:41 < technologicle1> well then - surely we (i) can order some parts - ur just use a couple of scanners or printers 00:42 < fenn> i'd suggest not trying to build a mcwire - the design is bad 00:42 < technologicle1> i saw the group Linux Against Poverty - put linux on about 300 computers and gave them away 00:42 < fenn> cool 00:42 < fenn> getting people to actually use them is harder 00:43 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:43 < technologicle1> right here in Austin - somewhere there is a pile of computer 'junk' that need some repurposing 00:43 < fenn> i always wanted to do a mesh wifi internet on given away junk computers 00:43 < technologicle1> i don't know - give a computer to a kid and watch them go - or maybe that is just my crowd 00:44 < technologicle1> MIT put together a mesh network that covers the city 00:44 < technologicle1> they have antennas on roofs all over town and people donate their bandwidth 00:44 < technologicle1> Austin has some free wifi - but with a 1 hour timeout 00:45 < fenn> weird 00:45 < fenn> its not that hard to spoof a mac address 00:45 < technologicle1> i watched Corpuc Christ build a wireless network for the whole city and then turn it over to a private company... 00:45 < technologicle1> i[m not into spoofing anything - i want straight up Open 00:46 < technologicle1> no proprietary software - and as soon as i can get off of proprietary harware i will 00:46 < technologicle1> at least i go with AMD/linux 00:47 < fenn> yeah the whole fucking planet should have free wifi by now 00:47 < fenn> there's no excuse 00:47 < technologicle1> riiiiight - gee wilakers 00:47 < technologicle1> exactly - so i have this idea... 00:47 < fenn> we should be shooting wifi cruise missiles into rural pakistan 00:47 < technologicle1> you can put a satelite into low earth orbit for 8,000$ 00:47 < fenn> uhm. no 00:48 < technologicle1> how many would it take to give planetary coverage? - i get the link.. 00:48 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-72-8.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:48 < QuantumG> you can get a nonsense promise to put a sat into LEO for $8k 00:49 < technologicle1> http://www.google.com/search?q=%248%2C000+satellite 00:50 < technologicle1> maybe it is nonsense but the say they will put it up there - that is launch cost and all - note the orbit does degrade after a few weeks 00:50 < technologicle1> i saw a page about sugar fueled amature rockets getting up to the edge of space 00:51 < QuantumG> if all you want is a promise by someone with no track record, I can supply that for $8k :) 00:51 < technologicle1> ok - i'll have 24 please ; ) 00:52 < technologicle1> well let me dig a little - see if they have any success - either way there are new avenues for getting somthing into space 00:53 < technologicle1> or maybe that is not necessary - those Australian kids got up to the edge of space w/ a baloon for about $300 00:53 < fenn> "edge of space" is totally useless 00:54 < fenn> the only magic number is orbital velocity 00:54 < randallagordon> note that that is only a half pound payload too...while that has great applications for tinkerers, it would be a real feat to do something "useful" with...props to anyone who pulls it off though 00:54 < QuantumG> its not *totally* useless, sounding rockets are a real market 00:54 < fenn> who uses sounding rockets? 00:54 < technologicle1> they claim that it can handle a radio repeater - for HAMS 00:54 < fenn> a tiny handful of atmospheric and plasma researchers 00:54 < QuantumG> and anyone who manufacturers parts for space 00:54 < randallagordon> indeed, you could do some nifty stuff with APRS 00:55 < fenn> QuantumG: what can you possibly learn with a sounding rocket about a part's performance in space? 00:55 < technologicle1> right packets over radio... 00:55 < randallagordon> But you can do more with a surplus weather balloon... 00:55 < technologicle1> its in the linux repository.. 00:55 < QuantumG> fenn: minutes of exposure to space environment are better than no minutes of exposure to space environment. 00:56 < randallagordon> QuantumG's got a good point there 00:57 < randallagordon> Actually, speaking of balloons, anyone heard/seen any new tidbits about Google's involvement with SpaceData? 01:00 < technologicle1> for my next shpeil..... there are all these ideas and projects, being a systems engineer - is there anywhere that organizes them into a heirchy - as in - if we had x than we could do Y - and then have free space based wifi - abundant food and clean water for everyone? 01:01 < technologicle1> oh and i would contribute to SKDB or whatever - but i'm an engineer with a smidgeon of programming - so if i just knew where to put the data... 01:02 < technologicle1> hey rag - sent you a link about your plants - no i did not hear about G-SpaeData 01:03 < technologicle1> here it is http://www.google.com/search?q=google+space+data 01:03 < fenn> technologicle1: um. you just described skdb, asking if it existed, then said you'd contribute to it? 01:04 < randallagordon> yeah I've googled it plenty of times, just curious if I may have missed something past the original announcement...personally I think it is a far better bet than using sats 01:05 < technologicle1> yep ; ) but to me you guys are still working on it and it does not change my world yet 01:05 < fenn> so you are asking if we're done yet? 01:05 < randallagordon> and, sent me a link? I saw you favorited me on Picasa? 01:05 < fenn> the answer is no, we're not done 01:05 < technologicle1> so this is the part where i see that it is what i have been looking for all this and start helping out - 01:05 < fenn> right 01:06 < technologicle1> it was a picassa comment aout growing tubs and fighting algea 01:06 < fenn> i'm supposed to be writing documentation "how to get started" but i dont know where to start :) 01:06 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:06 < technologicle1> hahah - i know the .deb is on the way for us mere engineers.. 01:06 < randallagordon> "Step 1:" ;) 01:07 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:07 < technologicle1> ya - i've followed the link to skdb every time it has been posted 01:07 < technologicle1> just did not know what to do with it 01:08 < fenn> well it doesnt do anything yet 01:08 < fenn> because there's no data 01:08 < fenn> and nobody contributes data because you can't do anything with it yet 01:08 < fenn> sigh 01:08 < randallagordon> terrible situation 01:08 * fenn looks around for more chocolate 01:09 < technologicle1> really i would like to have contributed - but i see myself being a data adder 01:09 < fenn> fwiw trader joes' chocolate sucks 01:09 * randallagordon doesn't have a lick of real CAD experience...needs to learn... 01:09 < technologicle1> hey - i'm not trying bust any chops - i just ask everyone for the things i am looking for 01:10 < fenn> i hope this guy stanley knutson meets up with me 01:10 < fenn> he worked on a knowledge based engineering project in the 80's and 90's 01:11 < fenn> so if anyone wants to help me write how-to documents that'd be great 01:12 < technologicle1> i volunteer - this is my life! 01:12 < fenn> ok so what is the first thing you try to do with the software 01:12 < technologicle1> so it is supposed to print stuff right? 01:13 < technologicle1> or maybe i need to back up 01:13 < fenn> so you go to the website, currently at http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb 01:13 < fenn> click on installing_skdb 01:14 < fenn> now pretend you know nothing.. is that enough information to get started? 01:14 < technologicle1> yes i need flying submarines - ok check 01:14 < randallagordon> for most people who are going to be able to contribute, yes 01:14 < randallagordon> for most people who are going to be interested in using the package, no 01:15 < randallagordon> you've got a hurdle setup that can act as a great filter if you want to use it that way right now... 01:15 < fenn> ok good enough for now 01:15 < fenn> i tend to dislike barrier to entry 01:15 < randallagordon> as do I 01:15 < technologicle1> that is a good asumption - but i'm up to navigating with ls, cd and the make make install routine 01:16 < fenn> there is a lot of stuff on that install page which may or may not be useful 01:17 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:17 < fenn> anyway.. so we've installed yaml and units at least, that should cover the core functionality 01:17 < randallagordon> (I almost hate to ask) has anyone been running/developing skdb from a Windows environment? 01:17 < fenn> no 01:17 < fenn> it "ought to work" but i really really dont want to deal with that headache 01:18 < technologicle1> being ignorant - this seems like it could be made into an install script... which i guess is what the .deb is about... 01:18 < fenn> that is an install script... (that's why it's an included file) 01:18 < randallagordon> I was thinking maybe I could take on that headache...although at the same time I really do need to simply determine why virtualizing Ubuntu is running agonizingly slow 01:19 < fenn> not enough memory? 01:19 < randallagordon> 8GB on a Phenom II X4 955BE... 01:19 < technologicle1> does windows recognize all 8 gig? 01:20 < randallagordon> I need to do some tweaking...that, or set things up properly and run things in the opposite direction and put Win in the VM ;) 01:20 < randallagordon> yeah, 64-bit Win7 01:21 < fenn> ok so you both can open up python and do 'import skdb' without errors? 01:21 < technologicle1> if you can do it - go for it! 01:21 < randallagordon> I think I just need to tell ol' VirtualBox to use AMD-V 01:22 < technologicle1> do i need to do the sudo apt get for yaml and all that first? 01:25 < fenn> yeah 01:27 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:30 < fenn> i just had a delicious user interface idea 01:30 < fenn> you can do head tracking with a webcam, and from that make an immersive 3d viewport with a plain old monitor 01:31 < fenn> now make all the windows halfway transparent and stacked up along the z axis 01:31 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-71-236-243-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:31 < fenn> when you move your head around they'll move slightly on the screen, so you can look 'through' the top layers at windows below 01:32 < fenn> something like this for 'screen' would be nice too 01:32 < technologicle1> nice, - did you see Johnny Lee's headtracking using the wiimote? 01:32 < fenn> yeah 01:32 < fenn> that's where i got the idea 01:33 < technologicle1> well maybe talk to him - he has quite a following 01:33 < technologicle1> is this normal? 01:33 < fenn> i dont want to rely on a particular piece of hardware 01:33 < technologicle1> E: Couldn't find package libigraph 01:33 < technologicle1> lee@EV007:~/local$ bzr get -r330 http://bzr.bugseverywhere.org/be 01:33 < technologicle1> Branched 330 revision(s). 01:34 < fenn> i guess 01:34 < fenn> i havent installed bugseverywhere actually 01:34 < technologicle1> oh - it's about the software - a webcam would work fine - i have seen where they can even track eye movement or detect people looking over your shoulder 01:34 < technologicle1> well i'm just going down that list on the install page 01:34 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:34 < fenn> yeah a laptop in a computer store the other day tried to recognize my face to log in as admin 01:36 < fenn> if you can open python and do 'import skdb' with no errors then i consider it installed 01:36 < technologicle1> scary cool - i just did this step sudo python setup.py install 01:36 < fenn> actually if you run the unit tests you will know what works and what doesnt 01:36 < technologicle1> i guess i do not need thcommented out stuff like cherry.py ? 01:37 < fenn> no that is for the website 01:37 < randallagordon> heh, my vm is still plugging away installing the packages... 01:37 < technologicle1> this has similar dependancies to NE-1 that i spent so much time learning to install 01:38 < technologicle1> E: Version '3.1.2-1' for 'python-cherrypy3' was not found is this version not in the standard ubuntu repository? 01:39 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:42 < fenn> why is it expecting 3.1.2-1 in particular? 01:42 < fenn> kanzure? 01:43 < randallagordon> ...aye, something is goofy...I have VirtualBox set to use AMD-V, but when I run the VM it is telling me it is disabled... 01:44 < randallagordon> That would explain why it isn't exactly fast on its feet, heh 01:48 < technologicle1> because that is what i cut and pasted? 01:49 < technologicle1> ok this line - sudo python setup.py build -NO_GEOM gives NameError: name 'classic' is not defined 01:51 < technologicle1> git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git = lee@EV007:~/code$ git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git 01:51 < technologicle1> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/lee/code/skdb/.git/ 01:51 < technologicle1> /usr/bin/git-clone: 374: curl: not found 01:52 < technologicle1> vim ~/code/skdb/config.yaml this file is empty.. 01:52 -!- technologicle1 [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has left #hplusroadmap [] 01:53 -!- technologicle1 [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:54 < technologicle1> dam it - i went to do crt w q to close vim and closed the chat channel - i was using that to make notes.... 01:54 < randallagordon> whoops 01:55 < technologicle1> anyway now how do i see if this thing works? python import skdb ? 01:55 < randallagordon> yay, git is done finally...import skdb gives me "You probably don't have pythonOCC installed correctly"...sweet, a useful error! :) 01:56 -!- danielcc1 [n=trey@cpe-173-093-136-130.sc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 01:57 < fenn> curl not found eh 01:59 < fenn> odd, because git-core explicitly depends on libcurl 02:00 < randallagordon> bah, I need sleep, I'll work on getting it running tomorrow 02:00 < randallagordon> need to find out why AMD-V isn't enabled anyways 02:01 < fenn> technologicle1: did you install git using apt-get? or some other method? 02:02 < technologicle1> i copied each instruction 02:02 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-71-236-243-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 02:04 < CIA-52> skdb: fenn * r d4ac23e /doc/installing: remove all those damn #### marks, and reorganize the file so that newbies dont have to install lots of useless crap and get hung up 02:05 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:05 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:05 < fenn> technologicle1: you're using ubuntu? (which version?) 02:06 < technologicle1> i made a script that gets part way through a NE-1 install this seems like it would be straightforward - this is an old hardy heron install on my resurected desktop 02:07 < fenn> ah ok maybe hardy has an old version of git.. but i would expect it to give a different error, something like "http not supported" instead of just dumbly failing 02:07 < fenn> can you do apt-get install curl ? 02:08 < technologicle1> yes - w/ sudo 02:09 < fenn> ok now try the git clone line again 02:10 < technologicle1> yep thats doin a lot of somthin 02:11 < technologicle1> soo.. do the 'environment config again? 02:14 < technologicle1> ok so i got this 02:14 < fenn> it should still be there 02:14 < technologicle1> #where are skdb packages stored? 02:14 < technologicle1> #url: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html 02:14 < technologicle1> package dir: /usr/local/share/skdb/ 02:14 < technologicle1> #where are packages available from the web? 02:14 < technologicle1> repositories: 02:14 < technologicle1> - http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb-packages/ 02:14 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:15 < fenn> what did you do that printed that? 02:16 < technologicle1> vim ~/code/skdb/config.yaml 02:16 < technologicle1> do ineed to set a Path? 02:18 < fenn> oh, duh. 02:18 < fenn> what an annoying thing to do, causing newbies to enter vim 02:18 < technologicle1> ya that can be a deal breaker if they make it that far - oh that's me - i still cant navigate it well 02:19 < technologicle1> but if you do they might need little clues like open another tab in teminal so thay can go backif they mess it up and a link to the caommands 02:20 < fenn> well just forget about that step for now. :q! will get you out of vim 02:20 < fenn> or just mash escape and ctrl-c a whole bunch :P 02:21 < technologicle1> haha - i always botch that - check 02:21 < technologicle1> ok so ami running the skdb yet ; ) 02:22 < fenn> run python (type 'python' 02:22 < fenn> you should get a >>> 02:22 < technologicle1> python 02:22 < fenn> then type 'import skdb' 02:22 < technologicle1> oops that ws not a joke 02:23 < technologicle1> You probably don't have pythonOCC installed correctly 02:23 < CIA-52> skdb: fenn * r 1427604 /doc/installing: defuse vim newbie deathtrap 02:24 < fenn> ok so you're more or less up and running 02:24 < fenn> try lego = skdb.Package("lego") 02:24 < technologicle1> great - i remember there is a command that will show all packages installed... 02:25 < technologicle1> like this lego = skdb.Package("lego") ? 02:25 < fenn> it should whine about pythonOCC but still work mostly 02:25 < fenn> oh oh 02:25 < technologicle1> all i have is >>> 02:25 < fenn> you have to install the packages separately now 02:25 < fenn> sorry 02:26 < technologicle1> i spent a year on NE-1 - let's do it! 02:26 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:26 < fenn> i dont know the proper way to do that, but you should end up with this in your /usr/local/share/skdb/packages http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/ 02:27 < fenn> git clone should work for now, there's some fancy way to do it with skdb-get.py which i havent played with yet 02:28 < fenn> so, for the simple instructions: cd /usr/local/share; mkdir skdb; mkdir skdb/packages; cd skdb/packages; git clone http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/.git/ 02:28 < technologicle1> well to bring this back full circle - i started a google doc for a tutorial - i can share it with you or some other way 02:28 < fenn> um please no 02:28 < fenn> if you want to make changes please do it on the wiki 02:29 < fenn> too many scattered places to find help is a hindrance 02:30 < fenn> i have to go eat something, bbl 02:30 < technologicle1> ok thanks for the help - see ya' 02:30 -!- technologicle1 [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:31 -!- technologicle1 [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:33 -!- genehacker9000 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:33 < genehacker9000> this is really annoying 02:33 < genehacker9000> I keep getting disconnected, but part of me doesn't 02:33 < technologicle1> these are primitive times - why do you keep getting logged off? 02:33 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:34 < technologicle1> i just lost connection - i don't know if it is because i 'flooded' 02:43 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 02:46 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:51 -!- genehacker9000 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:58 -!- genehacker9000 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:59 < technologicle1> if it is any help, you are timing out genehacker9000 left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 03:06 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:11 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:14 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- genehacker9000 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:47 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-54-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:00 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 04:03 < technologicle1> anybody up? - what other projects are going on? 04:06 < faceface> technologicle1: what do you want? 04:06 < faceface> project wise? 04:16 < fenn> hey faceface do you know kimmen sjolander at berkeley? 04:17 < fenn> i am just sort of wondering how big the bioinformatics bandwagon is 04:43 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-45-17.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:51 < faceface> fenn: no I don't know kimmen sjolander 04:51 < faceface> fenn: there is a fair few of us ;-) 04:51 < faceface> http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/ 04:51 < faceface> http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcbioinformatics/ 04:52 < faceface> http://journal.imbio.de/ 04:53 < faceface> http://www.bioinformatics.fr/journals.php 04:53 < fenn> ok i get the point 04:53 < faceface> ;-) 04:54 < faceface> I don't know what the threshold is, but with 33 journals, it feels 'reasonably large' 05:03 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:03 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:04 -!- ve [n=a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:08 < technologicle1> i want to see what is going on in the community and where peoples interests are - and a diamond synthesis machine 05:08 < fenn> what community? 05:08 < fenn> austin weirdos? :P 05:10 < fenn> genehacker claims to be building a reprap and a maskless DNA synthesizer, though i have yet to see any actual progress 05:11 < fenn> some UT people are doing localization based on wifi signal strength comparison 05:11 < technologicle1> everyone who shows up here - and austin weirdos - bucky fuller would call that the gestgation period 05:11 < fenn> dave rauchwerk is setting up a cnc bridgeport to make bicycle parts 05:12 < fenn> that's all the community i can think of :\ 05:13 < fenn> oh and you should probably meet max and natasha 05:13 < technologicle1> well there are 33 people online now - many i do not think i have seen on Open manufacturing or otherwise - just checkin it out 05:14 < technologicle1> i had not seen the term Maskless DNA Synth before - i'll take a look 05:14 < fenn> i should probably poke emil and steve while i'm out here 05:16 < technologicle1> hmmm only 1 google hit http://www.fraunhofer.org/lse/IndexProjects.html 05:17 < technologicle1> this sounds like the using a projector method i saw on Open Man 05:20 < technologicle1> i could use a projector or the parts myself... 05:39 < technologicle1> is anyone familiar with diamond synthesis techniques? 05:51 < kanzure> fenn: email annasalamon@gmail.com to meet steve and anna 05:57 < kanzure> i think anna has emil on speed dial or something 06:34 < fenn> do i know Paul Boehm? i can't disentangle my vague sense of familiarity vs all these weird small world effects 06:37 < fenn> i'm blown away by all the familiar names on the bay area quantified self group 06:45 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-45-17.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:55 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:55 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-72-8.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 07:42 < faceface> Calling International Rescue: knowledge lost in literature and data landslide! - lame, but perhaps entertaining? 07:42 < faceface> http://www.biochemj.org/bj/424/bj4240317.htm 07:45 < Utopiah> faceface: http://getutopia.com/ = well packaged semantic wiki? 07:46 < faceface> technologicle1: my projects are 'softer' 07:46 < faceface> ty Utopiah 07:47 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 07:47 < faceface> technologicle1: seqwiki / biodatabase / pdbwiki / 07:47 < faceface> I'm planning a 'conference wiki' 07:47 < faceface> just to make some cash 07:48 < faceface> Utopiah: I've seen that stuff before 07:48 < faceface> I mean that kind of stuff 07:48 < faceface> its so lame it hurts 07:48 < faceface> they match terms in your document to an ontology, and allow you to look up those terms by clicking... 07:48 < faceface> like ZOMOAPFG! 07:49 * Utopiah likes PLoS "bonus" 07:49 < faceface> bonus? 07:49 < faceface> I'll read this to check its what I think it is though, so thanks for posting. 07:49 < Utopiah> links, search, annotation 07:50 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:50 < Utopiah> it's not "invasive" and most of the time useful, it's not revolutionary though 07:50 < faceface> ddid you see that ... urg ... what was it called 07:50 < faceface> part of wikiprotins... or rather wikiprotins was part of it 07:50 < faceface> what did they call it ... knowlets or some such 07:51 < faceface> they had a database of over 1 million knowlets! JMFC! 07:51 < faceface> turns out they had uniprot 07:51 < faceface> well... who cares? I have uniprot! 07:51 < faceface> they had this funky desktop in a browser... lots of words, but no idea 07:51 < faceface> ok, sounds good... just reading what you wrote above 07:52 < faceface> bbl 07:52 < faceface> seminar 07:53 < Utopiah> this? WikiProtein http://proteins.wikiprofessional.org/ A concept is a ‘unit of thought’ and is in essence not ‘lingual’ 07:55 < Utopiah> sounds like yet another choice of words for a (user friendly design) semantic web 08:20 -!- randallagordon_ [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:21 -!- rmond [n=strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:22 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: bct_, tarbo2, strages, randallagordon 08:22 -!- randallagordon_ is now known as randallagordon 08:23 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: chizu, mindspillage, technologicle1 08:24 -!- bct [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- tarbo2 [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- chizu [n=chizu@140.211.166.34] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- tarbo2 [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 08:30 -!- tarbo2 [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:51 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:53 * fenn snarls like a sleep deprived animal 08:54 < fenn> trader joe chocolate, never again! 09:01 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 09:14 < kanzure> that's what steve uses 09:15 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:15 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit [Client Quit] 09:43 < kanzure> http://www.itaggit.com/ what? 10:08 < kanzure> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/the-uncertain-future-now-in-beta/ 10:08 < kanzure> http://www.theuncertainfuture.com/ 10:10 < kanzure> too bad i don't use java 10:22 -!- technologicle1 [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:22 -!- mindspillage [n=kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-63-91.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:30 -!- klafka [n=klafka@cpe-66-66-5-62.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:32 < kanzure> hi klafka 10:32 < kanzure> hi technologicle1 10:33 < klafka> hey! 10:38 < kanzure> what's up? 10:38 < klafka> not much i've been reading about this new AI thingie that MIT is pushing http://mmp.cba.mit.edu/ 10:38 < klafka> their synthetic neurobiology lab is part of it http://syntheticneurobiology.org/ which is super cool 10:39 < kanzure> ed boyden is awesome, yes 10:39 < kanzure> http://edboyden.org/ 10:39 < klafka> yeah 10:41 < klafka> I need to actually read his papers in more detail though 10:44 < kanzure> if you need copies, they're on http://designfiles.org/papers/ 10:44 < klafka> cool, well they are on his site too, that's a ton of papers there though 11:14 < kanzure> japanese hackerspace: http://twitter.com/freaklabs 11:14 < klafka> cool 11:14 < klafka> a hackerspace just started recently in my city 11:17 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-71-236-243-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:17 < kanzure> hi MrClif 11:18 < MrClif> Hey! 11:19 < MrClif> I'm skypeing with Turlif right now. 11:19 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:19 < MrClif> I'm explaining who and what HPlus is. ;-) 11:52 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 11:53 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:55 < MrClif> A couple of notes from my conversation with Turlif, Evan was the primemover on the FaH project Hod was the Prof so he took a lot of credit. 11:59 < MrClif> Also the back end of SKdb should (probably does anyway) support different file formants and dependency/relationship extraction methods. 12:04 < klafka> folding @ home? 12:05 < MrClif> :-) Fab at Home. 12:05 < klafka> oh 12:06 < MrClif> related to reprap etc... 12:06 < klafka> yeah 12:12 -!- jonathan_ [n=jonathan@66-90-167-249.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:12 -!- jonathan_ [n=jonathan@66-90-167-249.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 12:23 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-63-91.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:28 < MrClif> Just wondering, do any of you guys present or have a booth at Makers Faire? 12:28 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-235-98.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:33 -!- klafka [n=klafka@cpe-66-66-5-62.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:05 -!- klafka [n=klafka@cpe-66-66-5-62.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:29 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 14:30 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:34 < ybit> best ocr software again/ 14:35 < ybit> ocrupus? 14:35 < ybit> bkero? 14:38 < ybit> http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/138511 14:38 < ybit> http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/ isn't mentioned though 14:39 < ybit> supposedly google further developed tesseract 14:40 < ybit> http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ 14:41 < ybit> you can plugin tesseract into ocropus 14:51 < bkero> ybit: ? 14:51 < bkero> Yea 14:52 < bkero> Only decent ocr out there is the tesseract/ocropus combo 14:54 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-235-98.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:57 < ybit> i'm here, in a web conf atm. just know that i'm going to have to throw some pdfs to this software soon 15:01 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-80-203.ts.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:18 < genehacker2> humans are the best ocr software 15:52 < kristianpaul> indeed 16:01 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-80-203.ts.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:09 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-93-226.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:31 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:34 < fenn> turlif = japan fablab? 16:34 < fenn> what an awful website 16:35 < MrClif> Turlif is part of Hyperfun and Nextfab. He's from the US but lives in Norway. 16:36 < MrClif> I havn't heard him talk about Japan yet. 16:49 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:56 < fenn> wtf nextfab, don't want me to see anything? 16:56 < MrClif> I think its just getting started, it's a spinoff of FaH. 16:58 < MrClif> Yeah don't know whats going on with their site. I don't think they have much content yet though. 16:59 < fenn> i see nextfab.org and nextfabstudio.com which seem to be totally different 16:59 < MrClif> probably are. 16:59 < fenn> but they're both related to F@H somehow 17:00 < MrClif> well you can ask Turlif he would know turlif@turlif.org 17:01 < MrClif> He is also on skype and seems to be online. 17:02 < fenn> meh 17:02 < MrClif> :-) 17:02 < fenn> actually getting an answer would be anticlimactic 17:07 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 17:22 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-93-226.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:59 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: chizu, klafka, bkero, faceface, ybit, fenn, drgone 18:00 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:01 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:01 < 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program for solving a bunch of equations over and over again? 23:21 < kanzure> python? 23:22 < genehacker2> as in I type in the equation to be solved and which variable I want solved for 23:22 < genehacker2> is there a python module for that? 23:23 < kanzure> sympy 23:23 < genehacker2> ok 23:24 < genehacker2> now I just need to learn how to use python, recommend any sites/have any books? 23:24 < QuantumG> google: learn python 23:24 < QuantumG> its like, the no1 newbie language these days 23:24 < kanzure> open up an interpreter and get to work 23:24 < kanzure> heh 23:25 < kanzure> QuantumG: ruby is, actually 23:25 < genehacker2> or matlab 23:25 < kanzure> no 23:25 < kanzure> not matlab 23:25 < kanzure> that's just isolated to universities because it's proprietary 23:26 < randallagordon> I'm attempting to get skdb installed properly and everything appears to have installed save for pythonOCC 23:26 < kanzure> what instructions are you or were you following? 23:26 < randallagordon> looking at the wiki it states that the version in the Ubuntu repo is incompatible, but I also note that the wiki refers to 8.04... 23:26 < kanzure> yeah the ubuntu repos have the latest version of opencascade 23:27 < randallagordon> Just using the install script on the site, fresh Ubuntu 8.10 install 23:27 < kanzure> 6.2.7 is the old version of opencascade 23:27 < kanzure> randallagordon: actually check out skdb/doc/installing in the repository 23:27 < kanzure> might be more helpful? 23:27 < randallagordon> er...9.10 23:27 < randallagordon> roger 23:27 < kanzure> the 9.10 repos should have opencascade 6.3.0 packaged up 23:28 < randallagordon> indeed 23:29 < kanzure> there is one line in the skdb/doc/installing file that is wrong. in particular i think it is line 108 (a sed line that fixes line 144 in wrapper/environment.py in pythonocc-0.3) 23:29 < kanzure> if you're able to edit a single line in a python file then you should be able to work around it 23:29 < kanzure> if not i'll figure out a way to get it fixed (i should be doing this anyway soon) 23:29 < kanzure> Real Soon Now 23:30 < randallagordon> okay, yeah, that's what I ran 23:30 < randallagordon> import skdb gives me "You probably don't have pythonOCC installed correctly" 23:31 < kanzure> yeah did you go through the doc/installing file and do the stuff for pythonocc? 23:31 < randallagordon> I take it that script isn't "polished"? 23:32 < kanzure> right :( 23:32 < kanzure> it's a hack until we make a .deb 23:32 < randallagordon> no prob 23:32 < kanzure> think of it more as a guide 23:32 < kanzure> also, i'm probably sleeping right now. fenn are you around? 23:33 < randallagordon> gotcha...I just assumed it was ready to rock and ran it :) 23:33 < randallagordon> so who knows what I've got going on now? ;) 23:33 < kanzure> huh? 23:33 < kanzure> i'm so confused 23:34 < randallagordon> "#copy and paste this into a shell to watch the magic happen" 23:34 < randallagordon> hence, I did 23:34 < kanzure> oh okay 23:34 < kanzure> i would just follow it step by step and see if any errors happen 23:34 < kanzure> and if they do, yell at me, or something 23:35 < randallagordon> it appears that the ubuntu repo didn't gift me with the inc's and lib's...everything else appears to be in place 23:35 < randallagordon> (at least, thus far) 23:35 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: technologicle1 23:35 < kanzure> what's missing? 23:35 < ybit> god i want to cry dealing with mssql 23:36 < ybit> 23:36 < kanzure> 23:36 * kanzure ended ybit 23:37 < ybit> please 23:37 < randallagordon> I have no /usr/local/inc...and /usr/local/lib just has ./python2.6, nothing about OCC 23:38 < kanzure> ybit: can you help randall? i'm falling sleep here. early meeting in the morning 23:38 < randallagordon> (I must admit, I only know my way around a *nix filesystem to be dangerous) 23:38 < ybit> okay 23:38 < randallagordon> +enough 23:38 < ybit> randallagordon: start from the beginning because i'm lazy 23:38 < randallagordon> maybe a +well too 23:38 < randallagordon> lol 23:39 < ybit> oic 23:39 < randallagordon> Fresh Ubuntu 9.10 install in VirtualBox, installing_skdb off the wiki said "#copy and paste this into a shell to watch the magic happen"...so I did 23:39 < kanzure> ybit: make him use skdb/doc/installing :p 23:39 -!- technologicle1 [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:40 < ybit> let's hope you didn't copy and paste comments 23:40 < ybit> one sec.. 23:40 < randallagordon> oh I just C&P'd the whole thing, lol...now I'm seeing that wasn't a good idea 23:40 < ybit> i'm going to walk him through it 23:40 < ybit> kanzure: sleeeeeeep 23:40 < ybit> so randallagordon.. 23:40 < randallagordon> skdb/doc/installing appears to be either the same or similar? 23:40 < ybit> you've done sudo apt-get install git-core python-yaml units python-numpy bzr docbook-to-man python-pyparsing graphviz python-setuptools 23:40 < ybit> it's the same doc 23:40 < ybit> then you do made the ~/local dir and cd ~/local yes? 23:41 < ybit> i'm assuming you have read through this and copy and pasted... let's skip ahead.. where did you get to? 23:41 < randallagordon> I see one of my problems...I see sed is updating /usr/local/inc to /user/local/include/opencascade...I was looking in the wrong spot, heh 23:42 < randallagordon> literally c&p'd the whole install script, ran it through to the end 23:42 < ybit> eek 23:43 < randallagordon> git repo cloned just fine, I've got the skdb code 23:46 < randallagordon> yeah, that line, "#copy and paste this into a shell to watch the magic happen", is a bit misleading ;) 23:47 < randallagordon> like I said, this is a *fresh* install in a VM, so there's no huge loss if I need to start over 23:47 < ybit> i installed skdb last weekend in virtualbox with ubuntu 9.09 23:47 < ybit> not a problem and strangely the graphics actually work. 23:47 < ybit> ..in pythonocc 23:47 < randallagordon> good to hear 23:47 < ybit> so here's my lame advice, go through the install process again and this time do each step manually, i.e. don't copy the entire document into a shell script :P 23:47 < randallagordon> hehe sounds good...I'd suggest taking that line out of the script until it is c&p ready ;) 23:48 < ybit> you can slap kanzure with a large trout for that and feel free to do the same to me for not having the .deb created just yet 23:49 < ybit> what do you call optogenetics when you are dealing with the brain? 23:49 < ybit> aren't* 23:49 < kanzure> i don't see the "copy and paste" here: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/installing_skdb 23:50 < kanzure> ybit: optogenetics is for everything 23:50 < ybit> optogenetics for the _ i guess 23:50 < ybit> then someone edit wikipedia 23:50 < kanzure> synthetic neurobiology optogenetics? 23:50 < kanzure> wikipedia is lame 23:50 < randallagordon> hah, damn, you're right... 23:50 < ybit> omg it keeps getting worse (silverlight and .net) 23:50 < kanzure> er, i'm sleeping 23:51 < randallagordon> maybe add a "don't copy & paste" then ;) 23:52 * ybit takes it to the bed 23:52 < ybit> randallagordon: keep us updated 23:52 < ybit> Phreedom: get back to work dammit