--- Day changed Thu Dec 17 2009 00:03 -!- russell987 [n=russell@c-24-61-9-88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:05 < kanzure> hey russell987 00:21 -!- Martyn [n=martinb@cpe-70-112-85-99.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:58 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-67-11-208-33.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-67-11-208-33.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:07 < fenn> omg skeinforge's gui is so annoying 01:18 < russell987> hey kanzure 01:18 < russell987> what does kanzure mean anyway?? japanese? 01:44 -!- genehacker2 [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:42 -!- technologicle2 [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:12 -!- any37816368 [n=someone@75-120-36-127.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:13 -!- tarbo2_ [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:13 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-36-127.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:13 -!- any37816368 is now known as katsmeow-afk 03:16 -!- Netsplit kubrick.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tarbo2, Utopiah, bkero, drazak, strages, flamt, zvader, russell987 03:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: flamt 03:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: zvader 03:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bkero 03:17 -!- Utopiah [n=libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: strages 03:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: drazak 03:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: russell987 03:43 -!- technologiclee [n=lee@70.114.201.242] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:03 < technologiclee> can anyone post the reference to the guy at Mit doing the work with tiny muscles - it was on here a few hours back... 04:03 < technologiclee> or - is this chat logged somewhere i can look it up myself? 04:04 < QuantumG> (Jim Taylor-Farnes at MIT/Media Lab 04:04 < QuantumG> is all that was offered 04:14 < technologiclee> perfect - thanks 04:18 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@68.88.72.8] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 04:18 < technologiclee> hmm no google hits for : "Jim Farnes" MIT Media Lab much less adding 'muscle' 07:02 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:04 < katsmeow-afk> technologiclee : http://www.google.com/search?q=MIT+%22Media+Lab%22++printing+micromuscle 07:04 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:04 < katsmeow-afk> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for MIT "Media Lab" printing micromuscle. 07:06 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-67-11-208-33.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:40 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-67-11-208-33.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:19 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-67-11-208-33.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-67-11-208-33.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:02 < fenn> this is andreas, who showed me my EEG: http://www.meta-mind.de/ 09:04 < fenn> oh btw did i mention todd huffman was staying @ langton labs too? thought that was a funny coincidence 09:06 < Utopiah> nice project, wonder if it's as effective as swimming or running twice a week though :-# 09:08 < fenn> swimming doesn't provide a window into your/someone else's thoughts 09:08 < Utopiah> Im not sure I would consider brainwaves thoughts though 09:09 < fenn> well, it's really cool to see it from both sides 09:09 < fenn> i mean have your brainwaves scanned, you can really see your thoughts up there on the screen 09:09 < Utopiah> it's more like heat or noise from electricity line, you can hear the waste but you can not deduce the usage from it 09:09 < Utopiah> (Im still all for openeeg openvibe and such projects) 09:10 < fenn> sure it's more like the little cpu monitor taskbar widget 09:12 < Utopiah> right 09:13 < Utopiah> to me, the problem with most of those experiences is the difficulty to compare with placebo or very simple alternative (like sport as I was mentionning before) 09:14 < Utopiah> because ok it could bring positive results but if I can get the same effect from walking 10min a day, why should I bother building such a complex system (beside learning I mean) 09:43 -!- Martyn [n=martinb@cpe-70-112-85-99.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:46 -!- russell987 [n=russell@c-24-61-9-88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 10:09 -!- Martyn [n=martinb@cpe-70-112-85-99.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving..."] 10:30 < kanzure> http://www.fabbaloo.com/2009/12/lets-download-some-hardware.html 11:03 -!- russell232 [n=russell@18.111.40.95] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:04 < kanzure> hey russell232 11:05 < kanzure> http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ you might like this. 11:07 < kanzure> has anyone been following john smart? http://accelerationwatch.com/ 11:08 < kanzure> i'm trying to find his email address. he gave a good paper reference in his recent talk in california concerning the hypothalamus or hippocampus 11:13 < kanzure> http://accelerationwatch.com/selforg_selfrep.html 11:18 < Utopiah> looks huge :/ 11:18 < kanzure> http://evodevouniverse.com/wiki/Main_Page 11:19 < kanzure> his name has popped up a few times before in the past.. but i just ignored it 11:19 < kanzure> i liked his "digital twin" idea 11:19 < Utopiah> evodevo sounded like a nice ninitiave 2 years ago but not a lot seems to have sprung from it since 11:20 < kanzure> yeah wasn't it a buzzword for a while? 11:21 < Utopiah> lifelogging section http://www.metaverseroadmap.org/overview/02.html#LL 11:22 < kanzure> he also linked to an interesting site he's been working on that tracks different accelerating trends 11:22 < Utopiah> ? http://www.metaverseroadmap.org/overview/img/multi-2.gif 11:22 < kanzure> finding.. http://pcdb.santafe.edu/ 11:23 < kanzure> the site sucks but there's only two people working on it 11:23 < kanzure> "performance curve database" 11:23 < kanzure> hooking that up to http://theuncertainfuture.com/ would be fun 11:24 < kanzure> i wish i would have been able to convince anna that doing theuncertainfuture.com in java was a bad idea.. 11:24 < kanzure> originally we were going to do it in svg/javascript 11:27 < Utopiah> makes me wonder, is there a "store and share" function? 11:27 < Utopiah> could be interesting to generate a community debate around it. 11:28 < kanzure> yeah that was the original plan 11:28 < kanzure> and then this java developer got involved 11:29 < Utopiah> (nice SantaFe website, isn't it part of the LANL complexity lab?) 11:30 < Utopiah> could be nice with an RSS on new datasets too 11:31 < kanzure> i want to map performance curves from that "database" to theuncertainfuture.com as a mashup 11:32 < kanzure> and then let simple relations into the system.. i.e. "price per FLOP positively correlates to how much computation you can buy cheaply" or something 11:32 < Utopiah> (guess http://page2rss.com/rss/3458cd41da7cba73a5479f53bef52c4d should do the trick) 11:36 < Utopiah> that website makesme think of "if someone else has an exponential going already, you can hop on it for free" http://fora.tv/2009/05/30/Rodney_Brooks_Remaking_Manufacturing_With_Robotics 11:37 < kanzure> yes 11:37 < kanzure> although you usually have to hop on it before it goes exponential 11:37 < kanzure> you want to find the "exponential funnels" or slides 11:38 < Utopiah> care to develop a bit please? 11:39 < kanzure> suppose a virus hops into a host at cycle 1 of replication. 11:39 < kanzure> if you hop on the host at cycle 20, you're not going to get as wide-spread proliferation because there's already 20 cycles that have existed 11:39 < Utopiah> maybe it's just increasingly costly to hop on it 11:39 < kanzure> it would have to keep on replicating for another 9+ cycles to get 2^9 diffusion- at 20 cycles, the exponential is already wide-spread and exhausting resources 11:40 < kanzure> (because each doubling takes increasingly more resources) 11:40 < kanzure> hopping on board an exponential is only valuable if you go for 8+ iterations of the 11:40 < kanzure> brb door 11:43 < Utopiah> thermoeconomics of exponential riding ;) 12:08 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:10 < kanzure> back 13:24 -!- russell232 [n=russell@18.111.40.95] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 13:41 < kanzure> Utopiah: my point was that exponentials are inherently unstable, and if they're at the end of their life, hopping on board will only propel you through a few more replication cycles 13:41 < kanzure> unless you have lateral transferance through the branches of the exponential 13:42 < kanzure> by that i mean, unless there's a node-to-node communication deal going on, the end of life of a huge exponential may get you the same thing as a "viral link" that dies out at 8k hits 13:43 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@216-54-230-114.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:44 < kanzure> hey jason 14:45 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 14:56 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:00 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit [Client Quit] 15:00 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:22 -!- mindspillage [n=kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:24 < ybit> kanzure: what's the web conference about today? 15:37 < kanzure> tomorrow? russell just wanted to catch up and talk about skdb 15:37 < ybit> oh 15:37 < ybit> feel free to include me if ya want 15:38 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: do you have experience with mssql> 15:38 < ybit> mssql? * 15:39 < ybit> bah, i'll just install it and answer my question 15:45 < kanzure> http://www.thereisnopagefold.com/ 16:27 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@216-54-230-114.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:32 < kanzure> http://fivesecondtest.com/test/0J3hTJJ9 16:49 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@216-54-230-114.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:00 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, nope, sorry 17:16 -!- russell232 [n=russell@c-24-61-9-88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:41 -!- genehacker2 [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:44 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@216-54-230-114.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:52 -!- fenn [i=fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:52 -!- fenn [i=fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:56 < kanzure> hi fenn 18:15 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-72-179-52-26.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:43 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-72-179-52-26.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:46 < Redeemer> Gah, computer too slow.. 18:48 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 18:50 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:52 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-72-179-52-26.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:54 < wrldpc2> Kanzure do you have a link to your response to the naysayer going on about how we all "forgot the 80s?" 18:56 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-67-170-144-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:02 < kanzure> wrldpc2: nobody replied to james' comment. i figure it's best it stays that way. 19:02 < kanzure> i think he was complaining about pre-80s 19:02 < wrldpc2> hear hear 19:02 < kanzure> what's up? 19:04 < Redeemer> I think I've found a good way to get myself used to linux. My dead computer. get a new HDD and get myself a ubuntu disc. 19:05 < Redeemer> That way I don't accidentally shaft my computing abilities in any way 19:09 -!- nchaimov_ [n=cowtown@c-67-170-144-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:16 -!- jasonwohlfahrt [n=chatzill@cpe-72-179-52-26.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:19 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-71-236-243-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:24 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-67-170-144-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:24 -!- nchaimov_ is now known as nchaimov 19:29 -!- darkcontrast [n=kvirc@74.202.34.70] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:29 < kanzure> hello darkcontrast :) 19:29 < kanzure> darkcontrast: related to HP? what? 19:29 < darkcontrast> hey there.. taking a look at the topic links now.. 19:30 < MrClif> /who freenode/staff/* 19:30 < kanzure> hope you like 19:30 < kanzure> haha MrClif snooping around? 19:30 < MrClif> hi! 19:30 < kanzure> hello 19:30 < MrClif> I'm *shipiesh grin* trying to revover my password. 19:30 < darkcontrast> martin sent an email to the google group saying you guys hung out here, but i read than chan name as HPlusroadmap.. something to do with HP corp 19:31 < kanzure> no no not at all 19:31 < kanzure> no, we're more related to transhumanism- about do-it-yourself open source tech 19:31 < MrClif> this is my first use of IRC. 19:32 < kanzure> MrClif: i think there's a #freenode with friendly peeps 19:32 < MrClif> ah... thanks 19:32 < kanzure> (because i don't know how to help you) 19:32 < darkcontrast> ah, h+, i get it :) 19:36 < kanzure> santafe dude just replied to me: "I'm confused. I think curves are either exponential or not. They do not suddenly "go exponential", or do they?" 19:37 < kanzure> hm 19:41 -!- russell232 [n=russell@c-24-61-9-88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:50 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-71-236-243-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 19:53 < katsmeow-afk> try as i might, i cannot picture a circle with a hyperbolic curve 19:56 < genehacker2> it could be some weird function 19:57 < katsmeow-afk> draw me a picture? 20:12 -!- Martyn [n=martinb@cpe-70-112-85-99.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- Martyn [n=martinb@cpe-70-112-85-99.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:17 < fenn> yay i have a netbook 20:18 < Redeemer> Nice 20:18 < Redeemer> Once I can afford one I'm going to try and get a nice laptop. 20:19 < Redeemer> Sadly, I do not think that will be happening this month. 20:26 < kanzure> now you have no excuse but to contribute! bwahah 20:42 < technologiclee> katsmeow-afk: thanks, but i do not think those 8 links actually went to the details of micromuscles - not that i actually need it at the moment - just getting some people some info 20:43 < kanzure> hi lee 20:52 < technologiclee> howdy - inbox empty and a screen full of tabs - now what to do with it all? 20:53 < fenn> fucking cross posting argh 20:55 < technologiclee> since google and such services are so interested in knowing what we have read - it seems that there should be some software that would detect a cross post and mark it as such or just delete it - it's only string matching 20:55 < technologiclee> fenn: what kind of netbook did you get - specs? OS? 20:56 < technologiclee> i like eeebuntu on an eeePC 20:59 < fenn> eee 1005hab 20:59 < fenn> some ubuntu distro 21:00 < fenn> i am going to boxshop 21:00 < kanzure> technologiclee: http://opera.com/ set it up to look like this: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-12_uhh.png 21:00 < fenn> http://boxshopsf.org 21:01 < kanzure> technologiclee: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-01-15-tabs.png 21:01 < kanzure> technologiclee: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-01-21_coincidences.png 21:02 < kanzure> etc. 21:02 < kanzure> fenn: you're not paying membership fees to go to these places, are you? 21:02 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:07 < technologiclee> ok thanks - opera was not in the repository - so i was holding what i've got - but this just isn't cutting it anymore 21:12 < fenn> kanzure: heh no 21:13 < fenn> i am worrying about the $2 bus fare 21:15 < fenn> i think tim anderson of instructables will be there 21:41 -!- russell232 [n=russell@c-24-61-9-88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:01 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 22:03 < kanzure> "Google In Discussions To Acquire Yelp For A Half Billion Dollars Or More" 22:03 < kanzure> wtf 22:04 < kanzure> anyway, i uploaded an iron man 2 trailer 22:04 < kanzure> http://bit.ly/6e4RIF 22:04 < kanzure> and before i even watched it, it got 20+ views from random youtube searchers 22:04 < QuantumG> sound is crazy low 22:05 < kanzure> hrm 22:05 < QuantumG> actually it's not that bad 22:18 -!- katsmeow-afk is now known as katsmeow 22:34 < QuantumG> what can I say, the first 10 seconds are better than the rest