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00:49 < bkero> lolcalifornia
00:49 < katsmeow-afk> making drunk
00:49 < bkero> I'm making the world a better place.
00:50 < Trooem> haha
00:50 < Trooem> nothing specific?
00:50 < Trooem> i'm just wondering what everyone is doing for a project/ or as a longterm goal
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00:53 < katsmeow-afk> being dogfood
00:54 < katsmeow-afk> nothing can be ipnk and and nothing can have drams in it
00:54 < katsmeow-afk> hell if i know why people don't like it
00:55 < MrClif> Evening... Just curious, where are the chat archives again?
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00:57 < MrClif> For anyone who is interested, there were a few interesting MIT projects published here: http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/
00:58 < MrClif> however only a couple have the pages fleshed out so far.
00:59 < MrClif> I saw the blue PCB Mill at Makers faire (now I can say it) last year.
01:00 < MrClif> I was thinking the first usefull machine for me to start with might be a small mill or PCB router.
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01:09 < katsmeow-afk> don't make it with any pink string in it antwhere, people will harrass you for days till you destryo it, get tid of it
01:10 < katsmeow-afk> same as if you wanna use drams (ddr, ddr2 etc) in any way to index high speedily 2 terabytes of files in a server
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03:11 < ybit> mr randallagordon, you live in the u.s.? where exactly do you live that allows you to make as much noise as you like? because i'm facing this problem atm
03:11 < ybit> ah, "so long as it isn't 3am ;) "
03:13 < ybit> i need better sound barriers
03:22 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, wher you are, you can shoot cannons howitzers and prolly get invited to do it some more
03:34 < kanzure> MrClif: the logs are here: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap.log.tar.gz
03:36 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: haha, i wish
03:37 < ybit> think what is needed is a building with better sound insulation
03:37 < katsmeow-afk> ybit: here they shoot all nite, shoot on other people's property, drive with squealing tires and no muffler or tags, and dogs bark 24-7
03:37 < katsmeow-afk> it's seriously gone downhill
03:38 < ybit> unless you know of some place like bonaroo which plays http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/by/receptors
03:38 < kanzure> /discography/by/raptors would have been more interesting
03:38 < ybit> or maybe bonnaroo needs to have a chip music stage
03:39 < ybit> receptors was the latest track from 8bp
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03:39 < ybit> and it's not terrible
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04:32 < Aliks> yo
06:02 < ybit> Hi Aliks 
06:08 < ybit> http://www.milw0rm.com/shellcode/linux/x86
06:08 < ybit> first time to see that
06:09 < ybit> just kind of stumbled on it, wasn't looking for it specifically
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08:47 < ybit> http://planet.openstreetmap.org/
08:49 < ybit> http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2 7.7g
08:50 < ybit> full planet is 12gb
08:51 < kanzure> neat they have a fast connection
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11:19 < Kuro_> Hello.
11:19 < kanzure> hi Kuro_ 
11:20 < Kuro_> Sorry for not visiting for a few days. Although I managed to evade my family at Christmas, they caught up over the last couple of days.
11:21  * Kuro_ facepalms childishly
11:21 < kanzure> better luck next year
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12:29 < randallagordon> ybit, I live in Oregon, out in the country with very few neighbors...by the time sound reaches them, the decible level has fallen off enough that it doesn't matter much...and everyone around me are machinests, loggers, motorsports enthusiasts (someone has a motoX track in their back yard), etc. etc... so we're all loud and no one cares
12:44 < Utopiah> kristianpaul: http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2009/26c3-3672-de-advanced_microcontroller_programming.html
12:55 < randallagordon> Utopiah, looks intriguing, methinks I'll be viewing several of these recordings
12:56 < kristianpaul> Utopiah: yup
12:56 < kristianpaul> Utopiah: but is just atmel based?
12:57 < kristianpaul> i dont like i dont have intention learn atmel 8 bit. or 16, surelly 32bits
12:57 < kristianpaul> actually i'm watch video about canibalism
12:57 < kristianpaul> and GSM stuff
12:57 < Utopiah> randallagordon: if you don't know CCC , it's usually material worth watching
12:58 < Utopiah> kristianpaul: from another channel? ;)
12:58 < randallagordon> I'm noting that
12:58 < kristianpaul> Utopiah: ?
12:58  * randallagordon is wishing he knew german
12:58 < kristianpaul> Utopiah: did ypu wached the microcnotrolers video?
12:58 < kristianpaul> randallagordon: not all is in german
12:58 < randallagordon> The one I want to watch is :P
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12:59 < Utopiah> kristianpaul: no, I just thought I shared the OpenBSC GSM vidz on blinkenshell 
12:59 < randallagordon> I'm snagging the uC and wireless power vids for later consumption
12:59 < Kuro_> Someone'll probably have subbed the German ones and they'll turn up on limewire tomorrow, most likely. :P
13:00 < randallagordon> Oooh, I see proper turntables
13:01 < randallagordon> And a proper broadcast studio
13:01  * randallagordon swoons
13:02 < Utopiah> randallagordon: overall CCC and conferences like HAR2009 https://har2009.org/ are rather tech savy and creative, not necesseraly world changing but... still very interesting IMHO
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13:03 < randallagordon> HAR I've bumped into before
13:05 < randallagordon> I'm rather addicted to TED videos already, you've provided me with more fuel...you're a pusher! a pusher!
13:06  * randallagordon prefers reading...but damnit there are too many good videos to ignore them now
13:07 < Utopiah> randallagordon: don't worry I won't send you a link to my RSS feeds video category
13:07 < randallagordon> lol
13:07 < randallagordon> why, thank you ;)
13:07 < randallagordon> I've also recently began watching through these: http://techtv.mit.edu/genres/24-how-to/videos/142-machine-shop-1
13:08 < Kuro_> I've been watching far too many similar videos lately and getting massive ISP bills.
13:08 < randallagordon> Video (and audio, for that matter) is such...a commitment... I much prefer being able to skip around with more precision...
13:08 < randallagordon> This has actually been something I've pondered on, re: how to develop a better A/V playback UI
13:09 < randallagordon> Aye
13:09 < Utopiah> randallagordon: IMHO that would require pre-processing the video to get the transcript then providing anchors
13:09 < randallagordon> I bitch about having a 250GB cap, I really shouldn't...
13:09 < randallagordon> Well...we all should, but, I know I don't have it all that bad
13:10 < randallagordon> Utopiah, I agree...Hulu just started doing something similar
13:10 < randallagordon> You can now search the Closed Caption system's captions...
13:11 < randallagordon> After reading several interviews with the guys behind Hulu, I'd place my bets on seeing some amazing UI integration soon
13:11  * randallagordon just wishes it were OS
13:11 < randallagordon> I've toyed with the idea a tiny bit using audio and the HTML5 audio tag... http://randallagordon.com/jaraoke/
13:12 < randallagordon> Works in FF, Chrome and Safari...Opera needs to get a move on...and that other one, we won't mention
13:13 < randallagordon> I should install Chrome Frame, heh
13:13 < randallagordon> in fact, I think I shall
13:16 < Kuro_> Chrome's catching up with Firefox in overall "epic" recently.
13:16 < randallagordon> I've switched over entirely
13:17 < randallagordon> Now that there are a decent number of extension authors working quickly, nearly everything I used in FF has been ported or cloned
13:17 < randallagordon> that's...odd...Jaraoke *kinda* works in Chrome Frame
13:18 < randallagordon> Gotta Play/Pause/Play, however...
13:18 < Kuro_> Odd.
13:18 < randallagordon> and the timing is lagging behind by about a full second
13:19 < randallagordon> I'm torn...do I debug and figure out what's up, or just forget about it since it is technically still catering to IE users...the "gotta know" side is in an all out brawl with the "screw that" side...
13:20 < Kuro_> Small security hole. Some of your directories are open, you might want to fix the permissions of those
13:20 < Kuro_> I vote debug.
13:21 < randallagordon> They're left open intentionally, I lock down those I don't want seen to the extent I don't want them seen
13:22 < randallagordon> ...although I think I missed an important one after moving things around, now that I think about it...
13:22 < Kuro_> Ah, sorry. I think I've spent too long helping people on moznet support.
13:24 < randallagordon> hehe, nah, 'tis generally a good catch...and poked my brain to fix one that did need locked down :)
13:25 < Kuro_> Glad to be of use.
13:26 < randallagordon> I had forgotten to turn off indexing in my wordpress install...auto update failed with the last update, so I used the fresh install to clean house entirely...that's...not good ;)
13:27 < randallagordon> it is already vulnerable enough
13:29  * randallagordon can't wait to get a dedicated WordPress (and other CMS) hosting box setup...sequester off that stuff as much as possible :)
13:33 < Kuro_> Did Wordpress ever fix that SQL injection vulnerability?
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14:07 < randallagordon> Which one? ;)
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14:09 < Kuro_> lol
14:19 < genehacker> kanzure so did you discuss membership, aquire any new tools, and/or discuss possible projects at the hackerspace meeting?
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14:49 < kanzure> hey forest
14:49 < kanzure> genehacker: yes, yes, yes.
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14:50 < MrClif> Hey kanzure, Morning... 
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14:53 < Trooem> kanzure, anything new, you need anything?
14:55 < Trooem> turn on gmail~~~~~~~~
14:56 < Trooem> gtalk i mean
15:09 < Trooem> let me know what up yowww.
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16:01 < genehacker> what projects, what tools have been acquired, and what's the deal on membership
16:07 < kanzure> what do you mean what projects? the same projects we've been talking about for years..
16:08 < kanzure> tools i already listed for you last year: http://heybryan.org/austin_fablab_2009-02-13.txt
16:08 < kanzure> membership is covered by me.
16:36 < MrClif> Hey Kanzure, hows it going?
16:38 < MrClif> can you please point me at the IRC archives so I can keep up a little better? ;-)
16:46 < QuantumG> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap.log.tar.gz
16:46 < QuantumG> dunno how updated it is
16:47 < MrClif> Thanks..
16:47 < MrClif> Everyone seems pretty busy, is there a big project going on?
16:50 < genehacker> no new stuff then
16:50 < genehacker> ?
16:59 < klord> does anyone happen to have an xbox 360?
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17:43 < kanzure> MrClif: skdb :)
18:41 < MrClif> Hey!
18:47 < ybit> http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/dexter/ :: new dexter's laboratory with a diff animation style
18:47 < ybit> randallagordon: that's so neat
18:48 < randallagordon> What's neat?
18:50 < ybit> your situation with neighbors being loud as well and not caring
19:06 < randallagordon> Ah, indeed
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19:22 < kanzure> hello parolang` 
19:30 < genehacker> well this is annoying
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19:40 < QuantumG> genehacker's work cannot be underrated.
19:55 < genehacker> my laser diode doesn't fit into my lens assembly
19:55 < genehacker> it's no big deal
19:57 < genehacker> I really need a high accuracy machine shop
20:10 < MrClif> Say, does anyone have a favorite schematic capture app? I've used xcircuit a long time ago and it seems that gschem is another OS alternative. 
20:15 < MrClif> There is also Eagle: http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ but it's crippleware.
20:16 < kanzure> huh it looks like i'm presenting at "Ignite Austin"
20:16 < kanzure> anybody know wtf this is?
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20:17 < kanzure> MrClif: have you tried gschem?
20:19 < MrClif> no haven't yet.
20:19 < MrClif> how does it compare to xcircuit?
20:19 < kanzure> i haven't used either of them :(
20:19 < genehacker> http://ignite.oreilly.com/
20:19 < MrClif> i was looking for a comparison but didn't find one.
20:20 < kanzure> "ignite austin" isn't even on the list
20:20 < genehacker> in other words it's just like the last presentation you did except that the slides automatically advance
20:20 < kanzure> http://ignite.oreilly.com/austin/
20:20 < genehacker> http://ignite.oreilly.com/2009/08/announcing-ignite-austin-108.html
20:20 < genehacker> oops
20:20 < kanzure> my last presentation was 20min
20:21 < genehacker> make it shorter
20:22 < MrClif> I think you guys should speak at Maker's faire its comeing up in May i think.
20:23 < genehacker> where?
20:23 < MrClif> http://www.makerfaire.com/
20:23 < kanzure> i'm tired of speaking :( i want to get back to work
20:23 < genehacker> oh california again
20:23 < MrClif> its a very cool event. 
20:24 < kanzure> yes i've been.
20:24 < MrClif> I guess most of you are located in Austin, no?
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20:24 < genehacker> kanzure you know you really should up a system for managing people working on SKDB
20:24 < kanzure> gee you mean like an IRC channel
20:25 < kanzure> *gasp*
20:25 < MrClif> I think they used to have one there too.
20:25 < kanzure> MrClif: there's only 3 people in here who are in austin
20:25 < genehacker> facepalm
20:25 < MrClif> ah...
20:25 < genehacker> anyway I think SKDB needs to be a fairly massive project in order to be successful
20:26 < MrClif> I'm pretty sure the BA MF is the largest one.
20:26 < kanzure> does anyone have some parametric CAD files for 80/20
20:26 < genehacker> then again I might have unrealistic expectations of what I want SKDB to do
20:26 < MrClif> May 22 and 23rd 2010 put it on your calendar! :-)
20:26 < genehacker> 80/20?
20:27 < genehacker> oh
20:27 < MrClif> you mean 80% of a project gets done in 20% of the time?
20:27 < kanzure> palmface
20:27 < genehacker> no
20:27 < kanzure> http://8020.net/
20:27 < genehacker> 80/20 the construction system
20:28 < genehacker> http://www.8020.net/Design-Tools-31.asp
20:28 < genehacker> here's this, but I'm sure you already saw that
20:28 < kanzure> i don't want drawings
20:29 < genehacker> what sort of parameters do you want?
20:29 < kanzure> on every feature and dimension
20:29 < genehacker> ok
20:30 < genehacker> parameters as function of what?
20:30 < genehacker> or is that necessary?
20:30  * kanzure sighs
20:30 < kanzure> as a function of my fscking input
20:34 < genehacker> ok, so you have a square type part, do you want dimensions on every side or 2?
20:36 < kanzure> every side
20:36 < kanzure> is there some order to the 80/20 naming conventions?
20:37 < genehacker> ok that's going to be hard
20:37 < genehacker> on your cad program
20:37 < genehacker> anyway why would you want trapezoidal parts
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20:40 < genehacker> what file format?
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20:41 < genehacker> *what file format would you like the part in?
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21:18 < kanzure> IGES or STEP
21:49 < kanzure> Utopiah: do you know if this is a good deal? http://developer.yahoo.com/search/boss/fees.html
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22:29 < fenn> somewhere over nebraska...
22:29 < genehacker> another meteor?
22:38 < fenn> heh never seen that before: http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/172.19.131.2
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22:47  * bkero eats babies.
22:51 < fenn> omgwtfbabybbq
22:51 < bkero> That's how we roast them in oregon
22:55 < kanzure> you're boring me
22:56 < kanzure> hm i share a birthday with isaac newton?
22:58 < fenn> tomorrow is your birthday?
22:58 < fenn> or today in two minutes
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22:58 < fenn> wait a minute what time zone am i in
22:58 < kanzure> january 4
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22:59 < kanzure> what time zone /are/ you in, anyway?
22:59 < kanzure> and can ybit take the other room here?
22:59 < fenn> mountain time i think
23:00 < fenn> ok got a few more hours
23:00 < fenn> what do you want for your birthday?
23:00 < kanzure> the last 20 years back
23:01 < fenn> that can be arranged...
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23:01 < fenn> you dont get to keep your memories though
23:02 < kanzure> so i think i'll be going to missouri sometime later this month to help jerry out
23:03 < fenn> who is jerry again?
23:03 < kanzure> jerry rutherford has been coming to the austin robot group meetings once a year for the past 5 years
23:04 < kanzure> and somehow is now the president of that ol' gang
23:04 < kanzure> just moved from st. louis down to austin
23:04 < kanzure> he came in here a few days ago
23:07 < Utopiah> kanzure: I didn't even know they were planning to monetize it that way. I think it's rather cheap for the service given. If you want to spend even less I would recommend APIs of emerging startups, they will be less stable but as they roll-out scalability test (alpha period) they usually don't charge (and can be more innovative than BOSS).
23:08 < kanzure> do you know any better API services to be using
23:08 < kanzure> i'm still sad that google stopped offering their web API. it sucked anyway- 1k/day search cap (who the hell only needs 1k/day?)
23:09 < Utopiah> (btw if you use BOSS then http://www.datatables.org/ could be useful too)
23:09 < kanzure> Utopiah: i've scraped 250k keywords / search queries, do you know where i can get a few million more?
23:10 < kanzure> i know the wikipedia logs show 55M queries/day (incoming from google alone), but i don't think they offer full unfudged logs anywhere
23:10 < kanzure> http://trendingtopics.org/
23:11 < Utopiah> you can't just ask another API key faking being somebody else?
23:11 < Utopiah> it's immoral but it might work ;)
23:12 < kanzure> http://github.com/datawrangling/trendingtopics/tree/master
23:12 < kanzure> 1 TB of wikipedia traffic stats on amazon http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=2596
23:12 < kanzure> http://dammit.lt/
23:13 < Utopiah> nice
23:13 < kanzure> er
23:13 < kanzure> http://dammit.lt/wikistats/
23:13 < fenn> where did they get the data?
23:13 < Utopiah> would be nice if it could provide some kind of trails
23:14 < Utopiah> fenn: "data is regularly logged from the wikipedia squid proxy by Domas Mituzas"
23:17 < Utopiah> kanzure: http://www.programmableweb.com/api/yahoo-boss provides a "More APIs in Search" feature so usually it's a nice place to find alternatives (also http://www.altsearchengines.com/ is less structured, you can't order by free APIs, but they offer very specialized engines)
23:19 < kanzure> fenn: http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/06/24/1552225.shtml mentions domas
23:23 < Utopiah> kristianpaul: on CKAN http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2009/26c3-3647-de-ckan_apt-get_for_the_debian_of_data.html
23:33 < Aliks> hello
23:34 < Aliks> can I get an opinion on a site feature?
23:35 < Aliks> www.campaignagainstaging.org <--- there are quotes at the top of each page.. is that annoying as all hell, or is that a good thing?
23:35 < Aliks> <Aliks> should I limit that to displaying just on the home page? if so, will it make it less likely for people to think we have a lot of supporters, and less likely to add quotes?
23:49 < fenn> Aliks: it'd be cooler if you had selected inspirational quotes that aren't about donating
23:54 < fenn> wow the plane really doesn't like uploading
23:56 < fenn> ah well just as good halfway done: http://fennetic.net/irc/transparent-terminals.png
23:56 < Aliks> fenn, they arent about donating
23:57 < fenn> i finally realized i had to turn on desktop effects to get real transparency
23:57 < Aliks> "support" is in the "i agree" sense
23:57 < fenn> well it sounds like it's about money