--- Day changed Mon Jan 11 2010 00:02 -!- parolang2 [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:14 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 00:30 < genehacker> cabin fever Trooem? 02:11 < bkero> Yarr 02:17 -!- drazak [n=drazak@69.162.134.185] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:05 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:07 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:59 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- parolang` [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:12 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:49 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:51 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:40 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:40 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:16 -!- fenn [i=fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:25 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:32 -!- Noahj [n=noah@ip98-182-59-157.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 09:42 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:59 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/cogsci/comments/akkg3/are_wireheads_happy/ 10:00 < kanzure> http://biopunk.hu/ 10:02 < kanzure> picks from les' shop yesterday: http://papertygre.livejournal.com/348952.html 10:03 < kanzure> swince when are there going to be classrooms? 10:03 < kanzure> and i thought les told us not to post photos? 10:03 < kanzure> s/picks/photos/ 10:05 < kanzure> http://google.com/search?q="false+rape+industry" 10:07 < kanzure> can anyone convince me that EEG is not lame? 10:09 < Utopiah> no 10:10 < kanzure> :) 10:14 < kristianpaul> are you smoke? 10:25 < kanzure> ? 10:27 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:31 < kanzure> kristianpaul: someone made a .rpm of pythonocc-0.4 a few days ago, i'm sure "alien" can convert it to .deb 10:31 < kristianpaul> kanzure: yes that is supposed to do 10:34 < kanzure> fenn: have you seen the pythonocc parametric modeling video on youtube? 10:35 -!- Noahj [n=noah@host51.155.212.177.conversent.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:35 < kanzure> hey Noahj 10:35 < kanzure> anything new? 10:36 < Noahj> I'm setting up and learning how to use Bazaar 10:36 < Noahj> It seems pretty standard 10:36 < kanzure> the revision control repository? 10:36 < Noahj> Yep 10:36 < kanzure> please be sure to also check out git 10:37 < Noahj> Git is nice, I've used it, it doesn't have sftp support though 10:37 < kanzure> it doesn't? wtf 10:37 < Noahj> Wait, I might be BSing 10:37 < Noahj> Nope, you can't push with sftp 10:37 < kanzure> odd 10:38 < Noahj> Also, the aironet 1110 router doesn't support openWRT 10:39 < Noahj> Which is really sad, since we have a pile of them and they look like they'd be good for fabfi 10:39 < Noahj> Oh well 10:39 < parolang> I did some bzr, they have some good docs on their site. 10:39 < parolang> I'm learning git now. Probably good idea to learn both. 10:40 < kanzure> yeah, hg and bzr seem to have a lot in common 10:40 < parolang> Haven't done anything with hg. 10:41 < kanzure> http://hatta-wiki.org/ uses hg and is worth checking out (distributed revision control wiki in python) 10:41 < parolang> I think the other ones besides git and bzr will eventually move to these two. 10:41 < kanzure> hg has lots of plugins for interoperability with other repositories 10:41 < Noahj> Mercurial looks like a good version control system 10:41 < kanzure> although it failed when i tried to convert skdb.git -> skdb.hg 10:41 < Noahj> Right, hg 10:41 < kanzure> (apparently skdb.git has some weird git peculiarities deep in its history) 10:42 < Noahj> hg also has ssh support 10:42 < parolang> Hatta is a good idea :) 10:42 * kanzure nods 10:42 < kanzure> but somewhat poorly implemented 10:42 < kanzure> i want to do hatta-wiki in cherrpy and anyvcs so that you can plug-and-play different dcvs backends 10:42 < kanzure> er 10:43 < kanzure> *dvcs 10:44 < parolang> I'm just thinking how superior the Unix DVCS's are to the integrated solutions you find in the commercial world. With the DVCS tools, you can mix and match to create new uses. 10:44 < parolang> IIRC, Microsoft Word has version control, but it's integrated into the .doc files and can't be used outside of Word. 10:47 < parolang> Hmm...sounds like I achieve the benefits of Hatta with my git repository of my org files. I don't really need an explicit Wiki interface. 10:47 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:49 < Noahj> Hatta ties the version history on the wiki pages to the version history of the version control system though, right? 10:49 < Noahj> It looks slightly shinier than just making your /var/www a git repository 10:49 < parolang> What makes it shinier? 10:50 < Noahj> You can view the version history on the pages themselves 10:51 < Noahj> It's also got RSS/Atom, but I assume you've set that up separately anyway 10:54 < parolang> Now, I haven't set that up. 10:54 < parolang> Okay, a little shinier :) 10:54 < Noahj> http://hatta-wiki.org/What%20sucks 10:54 < Noahj> I like this page. 10:56 < Noahj> And apparently there's a workaround for pushing git with sftp, in the git FAQ: http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitFaq/ 10:56 < Noahj> Just mount the partition with "sshfs -o workaround=rename" 10:59 < kanzure> hm: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Geocities 49 million URLs from geocities? 11:03 < kanzure> parolang: another shiny feature of hatta-wiki is that people are using distributed revision control without knowing it, via a web interface ;) 11:04 < Noahj> Is there a bittorrent version control system yet? 11:05 < Noahj> Oh right, gittorrent 11:06 < Noahj> That doesn't really /exist/ yet, though 11:10 < Noahj> http://www.advogato.org/article/994.html < here's someone talking about how cool it'd be if it did 11:10 < kanzure> advogato.org has some nice articles every once in a while 11:11 < kanzure> this is one of my favorites: 11:11 < kanzure> http://www.advogato.org/article/972.html 11:13 < kanzure> some notes on EEG setups i just uploaded: http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/eeg-notes.txt 11:37 -!- Noahj1 [n=noah@216.41.93.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:38 -!- Noahj [n=noah@host51.155.212.177.conversent.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:40 -!- parolang` [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:54 < parolang> lol @ http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/banner.jpg 12:26 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:33 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:37 < Trooem> ...do CNC machines cut metal like butter and shape it to way you want it? 12:38 < Noahj1> 5-axis waterjets cut metal like a hot knife cuts butter, actually, much better 12:38 -!- Noahj1 is now known as Noahj 12:38 < Trooem> cool 12:38 < Trooem> wonder if one can use that as a weapon 12:38 < Trooem> in military 12:39 < Trooem> waterfight!!!! 12:39 < Noahj> It wouldn't have very good range 12:39 < Trooem> i see 12:39 < Noahj> If you could get right up next to the enemy's equipment you could cut nice round holes in it 12:39 < Noahj> Or maybe a funky celtic knot or something 12:39 < Noahj> But it'd be a bit redundant as if you're that close and intend only destruction you could simply file a couple rounds into it or light it on fire or what have you 12:40 < Noahj> Laser cutters are more weaponizable, indeed, Israel and the US have a join Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser project 12:40 < Noahj> They use it to melt missiles 12:40 < Trooem> guess rocket launchers are much more effective 12:40 < Trooem> wow 12:40 < Trooem> laser weapons finally 12:41 < Noahj> It's easily subverted by mirror-coating the missiles or changing the shape so the laser doesn't heat them as quickly 12:41 < Noahj> Or by firing them quickly enough that the motors on the laser don't catch up 12:41 < Noahj> But that's its own arms race 13:06 < parolang`> So...what is the high energy laser project intended to fight? 13:06 < parolang`> Sorry...bad question. 13:07 < parolang`> I just mean...we're investing all this money in our military, for what? To fight al-Qaeda? Pfft. 13:07 < parolang`> The military is just a cash-sink. 13:07 < kanzure> yawn 13:07 < kanzure> please don't be so boring 13:08 < Noahj> Melting rockets is boring? 13:08 < parolang`> Heh, alright. You don't discuss politics here. I guess that's what boring is code for :) 13:09 < kanzure> Noahj: complaining about the military is boring 13:09 < Noahj> Complaining about difficulties with the machines the military uses is interesting, though, right? 13:11 < parolang`> Noahj: I think the code is to discuss technical rather than ideological matters. 13:12 < kanzure> ? 13:12 < kanzure> do you speak english? 13:13 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:14 < parolang`> Sorry, I fail at rhetorical questions. 13:14 < parolang`> But yeah, I was offended when you called my comment boring, which isn't unreasonable. Lets move on. 13:15 < kanzure> i'm having a hard time understanding you 13:28 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:34 < genehacker> waterjets have a points in time been considered as use as weapons 13:34 < genehacker> space is a better cash sink 13:37 -!- chupacabra [n=chupacab@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:38 < kanzure> hello chupacabra 13:38 < kanzure> are you from the robot group? 13:49 < chupacabra> kinda. heybrian.org seems down. 13:50 < chupacabra> heybryan.org even 13:57 < kanzure> yeah my isp sucks a lot 13:57 < chupacabra> hehe 13:57 < chupacabra> at home? 13:58 < chupacabra> I think I have mastercam somewhere. never had a win machine to run it and never got it right under wine. 14:01 < chupacabra> Iv'e been a machinist since 73 so maybe I can be of some use here. 14:06 < kanzure> cool :) 14:06 < kanzure> there are some videos on youtube that describe what we've been up to 14:07 -!- chupacabra changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: see some talk of AI too.hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ http://heybryan.org/ 14:07 < chupacabra> oops didn't mean to do that. 14:07 * Utopiah didn't know anybody could change the topic,nice 14:08 < chupacabra> not a good idea 14:08 < bkero> Yarr 14:08 < bkero> kanzure: What's the deal with the site? 14:08 < bkero> openfarmtech 14:08 < chupacabra> no ops here either 14:09 -!- chupacabra changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ http://heybryan.org/ 14:09 < kanzure> chupacabra: the channel isn't registered, so i can't get op status 14:09 < kanzure> bkero: ask marcin, not me 14:09 < chupacabra> gotcha 14:09 < kanzure> chupacabra: have you seen the youtube videos? 14:10 < chupacabra> not yet 14:10 < genehacker> chupacabra you have a CNC machine I assume? 14:14 -!- chupacabra changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: i hate debian. hehe http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ http://heybryan.org/ 14:14 < chupacabra> I hate Debian... hehe 14:14 < chupacabra> wtf? 14:14 -!- kanzure changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ http://heybryan.org/ 14:14 < chupacabra> tks 14:14 < kanzure> chupacabra: any particular reason why you hate debian? 14:14 < Trooem> anyone can change the topic? 14:14 < Trooem> LOL 14:15 < Utopiah> I think the channel could still be registered after asking a network op on #freenode or #help 14:15 < kanzure> Utopiah: they don't reply to my requests 14:15 < kanzure> Utopiah: i also sent in the paperwork too 14:15 < kanzure> it's been a few years by now :( 14:15 < chupacabra> Mainly because of their elitist developers. 14:15 < Utopiah> yes, I also had "delay" with freenode admins (read actually "still waiting" :/ 14:16 < chupacabra> ya, I have regestered a couple of channels a while back. 14:16 < kanzure> chupacabra: :) what are your opinions on dpkg, yast, yum, pacman, emerge, etc.? 14:17 < chupacabra> i like yum most. emerge if I have the time 14:18 < kanzure> we're building an "apt-get" for open source hardware in here :) 14:18 < kanzure> also, random trivia- it looks like carl feynman likes python 14:18 < chupacabra> no cnc atm. access to some if I asked. 14:18 < kanzure> in fact he contributed to the python documentation apparently 14:19 < Utopiah> ( regarding apt-get and Debian package managers there was few discussions about it during http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3647.en.html ) 14:19 < chupacabra> sounds like what I have wanted in manufacturing forever. What a proprietary world manufacturing is. 14:21 < kanzure> yeah :( 14:25 < genehacker> I have access to one too supposedly 14:25 < genehacker> I think I have to pay to use it though 14:26 < bkero> kanzure: I would, but he's not here :/ 14:26 < kanzure> bkero: try calling him 14:27 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:27 < bkero> I'll have to do it later, I'm in class. 14:27 < kanzure> bkero: marcin is 816 256 3839 14:27 < bkero> Thanks for the number. 14:27 < bkero> What timezone is he in? 14:28 < kanzure> he's an alien from another dimension, i don't think he requires sleep 14:28 < chupacabra> Having been in on lots of robotic/machine tool builds I still have to say that the big boys have the upper hand. A good maheenite casting for a base beats the heck outa any welded, jury rigged thing most people can afford to build. 14:29 < kanzure> maheenite? 14:29 < chupacabra> very disheartening 14:29 < kanzure> i'd be willing to do some casting 14:30 < chupacabra> Large mills are maheenite or some other proprietary material they can tout in ads. 14:30 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:34 < Utopiah> kanzure: during H+ summit talk you talked about "civilization seed" perspective, do you have reference of post-civilisation collapse (Maya, Rome, ...) rebuilt kit (vademecum) that were historically very efficient to bootstrap communities? (i.e. if corporation scale technology becomes for a reason or another unusable, what are according to history the most efficient ways to restart) 14:34 < chupacabra> weird, google doesnt really find maheenite. I hit 14:34 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:34 < kanzure> vademecum? 14:35 < Utopiah> (Handbook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbook A handbook is sometimes referred to as a vade mecum (Latin, "go with me") or pocket reference that is intended to be carried at all times.) 14:35 < chupacabra> cant remember what manufacturer was so proud of that but I used to sleep in the ways of this machine that said "Genuine maheenite casting" engraved right where I looked before dropping off to sleep. 14:38 < Utopiah> I guess right now it should be in algorithmic form, but my point is 14:38 < Utopiah> that there should be comparative studies of post-collapse communities and which were the most efficient ones 14:38 < Utopiah> and, I guess, based on what tools and technique at that time 14:39 < Utopiah> thus if there is such a post-collapse efficiency pattern, it could be useful for a "civilization seed" 14:41 < Utopiah> ( http://www.longnow.org/seminars/02009/nov/18/long-and-short-it/ http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=052138673X and http://www.longnow.org/seminars/02005/jul/15/how-societies-fail-and-sometimes-succeed/ made me wonder about it) 14:44 < chupacabra> Maybe I should start "The Open Machinery's Handbook" hmmmm 14:44 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 14:44 < chupacabra> with machine tool documentation. 14:47 < chupacabra> do to Industrial Press what Wikipedia did to Funk and Wagonals 14:48 < chupacabra> Thanks fo getting me thinking so early today guys. 14:51 < chupacabra> Who here is in the Robot Group? 14:52 < kanzure> i attended a few times but now i just avoid it 14:52 < kanzure> the meetings at least 14:52 < chupacabra> hehe maybe better I have avoided them. 14:53 < chupacabra> I've met most of them at the Linux users group and at expos and things 14:53 < chupacabra> over the years 14:54 < chupacabra> im on the mail list and someone said to check this channel out 14:55 < kanzure> that was me :) 14:55 -!- Noahj [n=noah@216.41.93.130] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:55 -!- Noahj [n=noah@216.41.93.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:56 < chupacabra> cool. praise bob 14:57 < chupacabra> looks like a fine place for good work. 14:57 -!- Noahj1 [n=noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:58 < chupacabra> when does most of the discussion take place? 14:59 < chupacabra> I gotta go work on a cctv project downtown today. better get moving 15:04 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:04 -!- Noahj [n=noah@216.41.93.130] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:06 < kanzure> chupacabra: most people on IRC just idle all day until something interesting happens 15:11 < chupacabra> cool 15:12 < Noahj1> I'm kind of surprised they don't sell an extruder head for the modela 15:12 -!- Noahj1 is now known as Noahj 15:13 < Noahj> There's a laser-cuttable pinch wheel extruder on thingiverse, I wonder if it'll be difficult to adapt 15:13 < Noahj> The modela's a little CNC mill 15:13 < Noahj> Someone's building a MakerBot, but it seems like we could just attach some kind of extruder to it and switch to additive 15:32 < flamt> http://m-net.arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html 15:34 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:58 < genehacker> Toolpedia? 16:02 < chupacabra> lol 16:03 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:05 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:35 * Trooem would buy a GPS made by Arnold Schwarzenegger 16:36 < Trooem> german accent: "Look out to your left, there goes a motorcyle." "Watch out, that guy looks like T1000 from my terminator movie." 16:39 < chupacabra> Maybe Wikipedia would be glad to have machinery facts too. 16:40 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 16:41 < chupacabra> Would it be better to have all data in page form or to calculate only what the user wanted at the time? 16:42 < genehacker> what do you want calculated? 16:43 < chupacabra> i guess just in a db unless it was special 16:43 < timothyschmidt> Noahj: have a link for the modela? 16:43 < Noahj> Tuhn Left on Pine St, get to da choppa 16:43 < Trooem> hehehhe 16:43 < genehacker> I made some messy datafiles for a couple manufacturing processes a while back 16:43 < chupacabra> things like measurements of threads over wires or something like that. 16:43 < genehacker> not very useful, but it helped me on an open note quiz 16:44 < genehacker> force necessary to roll a billet of aluminum to a sheet x units thick? 16:45 < chupacabra> Machinerys handbook has endless pages of data like that. 16:45 < timothyschmidt> indeed 16:45 < genehacker> it's a pretty simple formula 16:46 < chupacabra> ya, at what point is it easier to calculate vs list 16:46 < chupacabra> list for constants. 16:46 < genehacker> at the point you input the properties of the material you have at hand 16:46 < timothyschmidt> the handbook(s) likely have both tables of calculations, and the formula 16:47 < genehacker> generating lists is so old school 16:47 < chupacabra> yes 16:47 * genehacker should probably write a python script that will when asked for a given variable solve for it using sympy 16:48 < timothyschmidt> IIRC, genius will do that, as well as everything else you could ask of a graphing calculator. 16:48 < timothyschmidt> I started using it after my TI-92+ was stolen :( 16:49 < genehacker> genius? 16:49 < timothyschmidt> FLOSS graphing calculator software 16:49 < genehacker> oh 16:50 < genehacker> is it better than mathematica? 16:50 < timothyschmidt> http://www.jirka.org/genius.html 16:50 < genehacker> oh thanks 16:50 < timothyschmidt> In that it's open-source, yes. 16:50 < timothyschmidt> featurewise, no. 16:51 < timothyschmidt> it's not really meant to compete with mathematica. You want Sage for that. 16:51 < timothyschmidt> http://www.sagemath.org/ 16:52 < kanzure> chupacabra: skdb isn't really a "database". the machinery's handbook is encoded into it 16:52 < kanzure> well 16:52 < kanzure> it should be 16:52 < timothyschmidt> speaking of which... plugging sage into skdb might come in handy 16:52 < kanzure> but right now only screws and legos are ;) 16:52 < kanzure> timothyschmidt: pythonocc has some support for parametric modeling 16:52 < kanzure> and hooking up the parametric modeling to sympy might be fun 16:52 < kanzure> and/or sage/octave :) 16:54 < timothyschmidt> completely unrelated, but I got my new glasses from Zenni Optical in the mail today. $12.50 shipped. Very happy. 16:54 < genehacker> hooking up sympy to parametric modelling would definately be fun 16:55 < genehacker> speaking of glasses anyone know of any CAD programs that are compatible with Nvidia stereo drivers? 16:56 < timothyschmidt> Solidworks 16:56 < genehacker> IE so you can put on shutter glasses and do 3D modelling 16:56 < genehacker> really? 16:56 < chupacabra> shoot fedora 12 yum is installing genius 16:56 < timothyschmidt> yeah 16:56 < kanzure> chupacabra: what? 16:56 < kanzure> is "genius" a program? 16:57 < timothyschmidt> kanzure: it's a graphing calculator program 16:57 < genehacker> now if I could only install stereodrivers on school computers... 16:57 < timothyschmidt> IOW, it functions as a graphing calculator 16:57 < kanzure> ah. there's also qalculate 17:01 * timothyschmidt is downloading the Sage livecd right now 17:05 < chupacabra> looks like text only. gotta read the manual later. 17:18 < chupacabra> had to get gnome-genius 17:24 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:32 < QuantumG> http://aboutbryan.com/stagedkindness/ 17:48 < chupacabra> hehe 17:58 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:00 < QuantumG> CONCLUSION: Duct tape occlusion therapy was significantly more effective than cryotherapy for treatment of the common wart. 18:00 < QuantumG> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/12361440 18:07 < timothyschmidt> not a great sample size, to say the lease. 18:07 < timothyschmidt> least 18:08 < timothyschmidt> but interesting nonetheless 18:08 < QuantumG> ya, its one of those things that are likely to be repeated because its interesting 18:11 -!- Noahj [n=noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:27 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:29 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:35 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:11 < bkero> I need someone in china to buy me a phone. 19:20 < nsh> my friend ee bei might be able to do that for you 19:29 < timothyschmidt> bkero: what phone are you interested in? 19:33 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/ is back and online 19:34 < bkero> timothyschmidt: The Lenovo Lephone 19:34 < bkero> Can you get me one? 19:34 < kanzure> does anyone know of a reusable arsenic sensor? 19:34 < kanzure> fenn: tub should be back 19:36 < timothyschmidt> bkero: Nope. I cannot. Just curious as to what type of gadget it was 19:39 < bkero> timothyschmidt: 1ghz snapdragon processor, 512mb ram, android 1.6, 12mm thick. THe shell it goes in has a keyboard and extra battery 19:44 < timothyschmidt> I see. I am distrustful of phones these days... since the NSA and FBI's capabilities to use them as remote microphones have been reasonably well documented. I own an OpenMoko, for which the circuitry is documented, and there is no direct connection between the GSM portion which runs a proprietary firmware and the mic, but I suppose it would be just as easy to design audio and GSM chipsets capable of communicating 19:44 < timothyschmidt> via covert channels - power usage spikes and such. 19:44 < timothyschmidt> :( 19:45 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QuUEwrKm8 19:45 < QuantumG> if you want some tinfoil 19:45 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QuUEwrKm8#t=36m15s is probably the best part of that video :) 19:46 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 19:48 < timothyschmidt> sadly, there's not much tinfoil in my stance. GM's onstar system has even been used as a remote mic via court order. And with the recent disclosure by Sprint of the number of times GPS tracking of phones has been queried by government officials, I would rather not be carrying a device with Gbs of storage, a powerful CPU, sensitive mic and DSP, camera, multiple radio transceivers including GPS, all controlled by so 19:48 < timothyschmidt> meone else. 19:50 < QuantumG> but dude, why are they listening to you? It's not like they can listen all the time and record it for later processing.. they can only do it for someone of value.. what makes you think you're so important? 19:50 < timothyschmidt> wrong. 19:51 < timothyschmidt> The amount of storage required to record all audio from all available phones in the nation for even the next hundred years is actually quite reasonable. A single datacenter stocked with TB hard drives would do the trick. 19:52 < QuantumG> yep, that's for calls 19:52 < QuantumG> you're talking about being able to turn on microphones 19:52 < timothyschmidt> No, the math I've done is for 24/7/365 audio recording 19:52 < QuantumG> there aint no way (currently) that can be done scattershot 19:53 < timothyschmidt> regardless of whether or not it seems practical, it is demonstrably possible. 19:53 < QuantumG> that's great, but mobile phones simply cannot be connected to a call for that long 19:53 < timothyschmidt> These days they don't need to be... they have tons of storage. 19:54 < QuantumG> can you please make a full argument, cause I'm sick of playing 20 questions to hear your stupidity. 19:54 < timothyschmidt> The only thing I'm arguing is that it's not smart to carry around a powerful computer full of sensors that reports to someone else. 19:55 < QuantumG> that's not an argument 19:55 < QuantumG> make one 19:55 < QuantumG> or shut up 19:55 < QuantumG> thanks 19:56 < timothyschmidt> No, that's a statement. You would be providing the other half if we were having an argument. Instead, you're telling me to shut up. 19:56 < kanzure> timothyschmidt: it's ok, he admits he's an ass 19:56 < kanzure> :p 19:56 < QuantumG> no dude, "it's not smart to carry around..." is a declaration of fact.. you havn't made any argument to support your position. 19:58 < timothyschmidt> I assume you're familiar with google. You can type in "sprint GPS law enforcement" or "GM onstar eavesdropping" as I mentioned earlier. 19:58 < timothyschmidt> My mistake in assuming a minimum level of competence. 19:58 < QuantumG> right, so now you're actually asking me to go make your argument for you. 19:58 < kanzure> timothyschmidt: he's saying that you don't have enough storage space on individual phones for full audio recording 24/7/365 19:58 < timothyschmidt> Telling you how to access my primary sources is not asking you to make me an argument. 19:59 < kanzure> hm, what's emcrepstrap? 19:59 < QuantumG> actually, I'm not.. I'm saying tim has failed to even mention what he's on about and why it should be a concern.. and just expects me to agree with him. 20:01 < timothyschmidt> I expect you to do some research before telling someone to shut up. 20:01 < timothyschmidt> I don't expect agreement 20:01 < QuantumG> tim, you either care whether I accept your opinion or you're just yelling into the wind 20:02 < QuantumG> if you wanna yell into the wind, do it elsewhere thanks 20:02 < timothyschmidt> Exactly the same could be said of you 20:03 < timothyschmidt> It is not crackpottery to desire open and verifiable systems. 20:04 < timothyschmidt> even if there is no such thing 20:04 < QuantumG> what's the cost/benefit though? 20:05 < timothyschmidt> What is the cost/benefit of FOSS? It is largely the same argument. 20:06 < QuantumG> what is? 20:06 < timothyschmidt> You're asking me to determine the cost / benefit of freedom. 20:07 < timothyschmidt> of control of the things you own 20:08 < timothyschmidt> To you, that benefit is apparently quite low. To others, it approaches pricelessness. 20:08 < QuantumG> this is what is annoying me man.. I can't have a conversation with someone who isn't even willing to string together some coherent thoughts. 20:09 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC"] 20:09 < timothyschmidt> And despite trotting out logical fallacies, I still try. 20:09 < timothyschmidt> despite (you) trotting out... 20:10 < QuantumG> huh? 20:12 -!- branstrom_ [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:12 < timothyschmidt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem 20:13 < QuantumG> did you read that page? 20:13 < timothyschmidt> yup 20:13 < QuantumG> An ad hominem argument is an argument which links the validity of a premise to an irrelevant characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise. 20:13 < timothyschmidt> right 20:13 < QuantumG> can you please explain how you think I've done that? 20:14 < QuantumG> (if that's the case) 20:14 < timothyschmidt> " I can't have a conversation with someone who isn't even willing to string together some coherent thoughts.", tinfoil hat references, etc. 20:15 < QuantumG> ... ok. I've specifically said that you've failed to make a coherent argument. Clearly, I am attacking your argument (or lack there-of) not you.. so how is it an Ad hominem attack? 20:15 < QuantumG> if I had said "Your name is Tim and I've never met a Tim who ever had a sensible thing to say, therefore you must be saying stupid things." that would be an Ad hominem attack.. but I didn't. 20:16 < QuantumG> you'll also note that the second line on that page says: The ad hominem argument is not a fallacy despite there being fallacious instances of the argument. 20:16 < timothyschmidt> You have not addressed any single point I've made. At all. Instead, you've characterized me as someone who can't string together thoughts. That's an Ad hominem attack. 20:17 < QuantumG> which I find strange because you offered this page after saying that I was "trotting out logical fallacies". 20:17 < timothyschmidt> note it's presence on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies 20:17 < timothyschmidt> It is therefore a matter of some dispute. 20:18 < QuantumG> that would be the second sentence on that line, yes. 20:18 < QuantumG> in any case tim, I've had about enough of talking to you and will be ignoring you from here on. 20:18 < timothyschmidt> excellent 20:19 < timothyschmidt> Well done, on your part, not adding anything of value to the conversation. 20:21 < kanzure> hm since when did this exist? http://www.pythonocc.org/blog/ 20:22 < timothyschmidt> During all this, for anyone curious, I re-ran some math. A typical phone conversation over copper is sampled at 8hz mono, and can be recorded at reasonable fidelity at 8bits per sample. That gives us something like 64kbit/s of data. A full day's data uncompressed is about 650Mb. Speex can knock that down to under 100Mb. 20:23 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:34 < thesnark> http://mouse.brain-map.org/welcome.do;jsessionid=07C1B975B38E4D92FC48627D76E959DD Map of which genes are most commonly active in each part of a mouse brain 20:36 < thesnark> just great detail 20:36 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:37 < QuantumG> nice 20:39 -!- russell987 [n=russell@c-24-61-9-88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:43 < fenn> omg quantumg liked something 20:43 < QuantumG> I like lots of stuff fenn, follow me on twitter if you really wanna know what they are :) 20:44 < fenn> no, i dont really care 20:45 < QuantumG> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/01/11/another-dose-of-martian-awesome/?home 20:45 < QuantumG> check that out. 20:51 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:59 < kanzure> thesnark: i parsed that dataset from brain-map.org btw 20:59 < kanzure> and put it into a repository 20:59 < kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/brain/ 20:59 < kanzure> enjoy :) 20:59 < thesnark> O_O 20:59 * thesnark could hug kanzure 20:59 < thesnark> I swear 20:59 < kanzure> in particular see this: 20:59 < thesnark> I MEAN, WHAT? 20:59 < kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/brain/tree/master/allenbraininstitute/mouse/ 21:00 < kanzure> hm i wonder why i don't have location data in there for those files 21:02 < kanzure> " mgrube forked kanzure/brain just now" 21:03 < thesnark> ;) 21:03 < thesnark> what tool did you use? homemade script? 21:03 * kanzure nods 21:03 < thesnark> I didn't even look at what data format they were using 21:03 < thesnark> but uh this is pretty nice :) 21:03 < kanzure> this one should also be interesting http://github.com/kanzure/brain/blob/master/human_brain.yaml 21:04 < kanzure> i got tired of reading all these papers and forgetting where the hell things were 21:04 < kanzure> so now i just document stuff when i read it 21:04 < kanzure> and maybe one day will have a 3D visualization of the literature mapped to the brain 21:07 < kanzure> http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/contents/ 21:34 < QuantumG> trans-splicing looks interesting 21:35 < kanzure> hm? 21:35 < QuantumG> http://www.nature.com/mt/journal/v12/n6/fig_tab/mt20051385f1.html 21:36 < kanzure> fenn: are you around? 21:36 < QuantumG> seems you could selectively express two genes and have their pre-mRNA splice together in vivo. 21:36 < fenn> ya 21:37 < kanzure> fenn: were you trying to convince me to do an EEG project once? 21:37 < kanzure> or at least arguing for one 21:37 < fenn> no 21:37 < kanzure> thesnark: let's talk in here 21:37 < fenn> i think openeeg should be packaged like any other open hardware project 21:38 < thesnark> fenn hm? 21:38 < kanzure> i agree 21:38 < kanzure> thesnark wants to do some improvements and builds 21:38 < thesnark> sorry what do you mean packaged? 21:38 < fenn> it's fun to play with but ultimately really hard to do anything with 21:38 < thesnark> ah 21:38 < kanzure> i can't find any convincing reasons to give him the funds to build one :( 21:39 < fenn> thesnark: put the files in a common/standardized data format 21:39 < kanzure> thesnark: that's the SKDB idea talking (re: packaging) 21:39 < kanzure> for apt-get install eeg-setup-goes-here 21:39 < thesnark> right ok 21:39 < fenn> isnt openeeg exceedingly cheap? like some optocouplers and an AVR 21:39 < thesnark> hm not really that simple and cheap I suppose is relative 21:40 < kanzure> an avr is a few bucks 21:40 < fenn> <$50 21:40 * thesnark laughs 21:40 < thesnark> it is not <50 21:40 < kanzure> O.o 21:40 < fenn> then you must be doing it wrong 21:40 < kanzure> ha 21:40 < fenn> how could it possibly cost more 21:40 < thesnark> go look at the bom, it is not just the boards 21:41 < QuantumG> I think ybit expressed some interest in EEG 21:41 < kanzure> thesnark: link? 21:41 < thesnark> the microcontroller turns the A/D data into serial data but there is more than just the chip for sure.... 21:41 < thesnark> sec 21:42 < fenn> if i'm reading this right, he spent $90 on two 47uF capacitors?????? ??? 21:43 < fenn> this is a sorry excuse for a BOM 21:43 < kanzure> linkage? 21:43 * kanzure cries 21:43 < fenn> http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/buildeeg/parts.php#componentshttp://openeeg.sourceforge.net/buildeeg/parts.php#componentshttp://openeeg.sourceforge.net/buildeeg/parts.php#componentshttp://openeeg.sourceforge.net/buildeeg/parts.php#componentssorry i'm having trouble pasting 21:44 < kanzure> i can tell 21:44 < fenn> gah 21:44 < thesnark> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openeeg/files/ModularEEG/ModularEEG-v1.1.1/ModularEEG-v1.1.1.zip/download 21:44 < thesnark> sorry it's zipped 21:44 < thesnark> but labeled as the bom 21:44 < kanzure> er is it in the .xls file? 21:44 < thesnark> or pdf 21:44 < kanzure> lovely :( 21:45 < fenn> thesnark: see what i mean about standardized data formats? 21:46 < thesnark> well ok but this is what we're working with for our discussion, we can worry about data formats after 21:46 < kanzure> i don't think he's initiated into skdb-dom-hood 21:46 < kanzure> skdbdomhood? w/e 21:46 < thesnark> at any rate 21:47 < thesnark> that bom will be >50, especially if you want just 6 channels 21:48 < thesnark> at any rate I didn't think cost was the focus of the discussion? 21:48 < thesnark> more like "is it worth pursuing?" 21:49 < kanzure> it's more than worth pursuing if it's less than a few hundred bucks 21:49 < kanzure> that's what he was highlighting 21:49 < kanzure> "if it's only a few bucks, what the hell are you waiting for bryan" 21:49 < kanzure> regardless of whether it's worth pursuing or not :) 21:49 < thesnark> ah 21:50 < fenn> i'm sorry but i dont see anything on that BOM that is expensive 21:50 * thesnark wants to remind kanzure that it could end up being more expensive than a few bucks for 32 channels plus computers 21:50 < thesnark> nah, none of the individual parts are 21:51 < fenn> why do you need 32 channels? 21:51 < fenn> isnt the point of it being modular that you can add more if you need it? 21:51 < thesnark> more definition, more data, more to process 21:51 < thesnark> fenn right 21:51 < thesnark> but it's only designed to support a pathetic 6 channels 21:52 < thesnark> 1 analog board = 2 channels 21:52 < thesnark> lame lame lame lame 21:52 < fenn> better than nothing at all i guess 21:52 < thesnark> haha of course it's better than nothing 21:52 < thesnark> but I'd like to see more 21:52 < fenn> so modular only goes up to 6 channels? 21:52 < fenn> why dont they use i2c or something? 21:53 < fenn> a local bus 21:53 < thesnark> I don't know, good question 21:53 < thesnark> that's the point 21:53 < fenn> actually SPI woul dbe better 21:53 < thesnark> yeah, the microcontroller is limited by # of A/D converters 21:53 < thesnark> hence 6 channels 21:56 < thesnark> I don't want to give false impressions, I believe it will be more than just a small amount of money to turn into something usable 21:56 < thesnark> but the end product will be 1) cheap 2) usable by "joe" 21:56 < kanzure> yeah but.. to do what? 21:56 < kanzure> do a little avie dance? 21:57 < fenn> what, you're doing product development? already missed the boat on that one 21:57 < fenn> emotiv, force trainer, etc 21:57 * kanzure nods 21:58 < fenn> i think it would be a neat piece of clothing/jewelery 21:58 < fenn> some cloth that changes color and patterns based on eeg feedback 21:58 < fenn> like the phillips glowing fabric i can't remember the name of 21:58 < fenn> lumalive 21:58 * thesnark can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but hopes you're not 21:59 < thesnark> hm 21:59 < fenn> all existing applications of lighted fabric are horribly cheesy of course 22:00 < kanzure> fenn: you forgot the snarkmark 22:00 < thesnark> but isn't changing color of clothing just one example of a more general activity? 22:00 < fenn> whoever made lumalive.com should probably be shot 22:00 < fenn> thesnark: not sarcastic 22:01 < fenn> anyway there are lots of ways to do it 22:02 < thesnark> basically I want to make software that allows somebody to use this eeg and very easily say "this means change the color" 22:02 < fenn> i don't think it's "communicating" or "controlling external devices" as some EEG nerds seem to think 22:02 < kanzure> then what _is_ the point 22:02 * kanzure has been trying to figure this out 22:02 < thesnark> how is that not controlling an external device fenn? 22:03 < fenn> thesnark: in a technical sense, yes, but not like using a mouse or steering wheel 22:03 < fenn> kanzure: mostly misunderstanding i think 22:03 < kanzure> ? 22:05 < fenn> why is EEG "medical equipment" 22:05 < fenn> i dont need a license to own a mood ring 22:05 < QuantumG> cause its used in the practice of medicine 22:05 < thesnark> it's used to diagnose things like epilepsy or sleep disorders 22:05 < fenn> or to attach titanium horns to my skull 22:05 < kanzure> QuantumG: so is a penis 22:05 < QuantumG> well, maybe your doctor does :) 22:05 < fenn> heh kanzure i think you goofed that one 22:06 < kanzure> fuck 22:06 < fenn> now add "so is a penis" to every sentence 22:06 < QuantumG> tongue depressors are medical equipment.. stupid as that sounds. 22:07 < fenn> QuantumG: but i can buy popsicle sticks at craft crap stores 22:07 < thesnark> did nobody see what a wrote? 22:07 < thesnark> I wrote 22:07 < thesnark> fuck me 22:07 < QuantumG> EEG is a stupid name anyway 22:08 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:08 < QuantumG> give it a nicer marketing name. "brain signal sensor" 22:08 < thesnark> annnd this is why we didn't talk in the room 22:08 < QuantumG> where's our marketing guy 22:08 < fenn> "WARNING: it is best to avoid touching live mains wires" OK i'll keep that in mind 22:08 < fenn> but what does that have to do with EEG 22:09 < timothyschmidt> I think not touching live mains counts as a general life skill... other than that, not much. 22:09 < kanzure> "life skill" 22:09 < timothyschmidt> right 22:10 < fenn> this should be totally wireless by now anyway 22:10 < thesnark> there are wireless systems 22:10 < QuantumG> http://www.mikeholt.com/HighPowerJobVideo.php 22:10 < fenn> thesnark: if you're spending $100 on capacitors then you ought to afford a bluetooth chip 22:11 < thesnark> right because it's that simple 22:11 < kanzure> ? 22:11 < kanzure> sarcasm? 22:11 < kanzure> please put a snarkmark (~) when you're being snarky 22:13 < QuantumG> ~I'll just put it on everything I say then ok? 22:13 < thesnark> all he has to do is check the price of those systems to see if I'm being sarcastic 22:13 < thesnark> I mean sure it's possible and can probably be done cheaply 22:15 < QuantumG> anyone know if splicing is "clean"? does it leave consensus sequences in the exons? 22:18 < fenn> it leaves half the palindrome 22:18 < fenn> does that count? 22:23 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit [""OH SHI-""] 22:25 < kanzure> fenn: so.. color changing? 22:27 < fenn> blinky led's and such 22:27 < fenn> wow 22:27 < fenn> "I used a PIC17C756 to : 22:27 < fenn> - Acquire in real time an audio signal at 16Ksps 22:27 < fenn> - Calculate the FFT of the signal, using a 256 points 16-bits fixed point 22:27 < fenn> FFT. This FFT itself took around 40ms 22:27 < fenn> - Generate in real time the FFT spectrum on a VGA display using 22:27 < fenn> software-generated video 22:28 < kanzure> ? 22:28 < fenn> so it's possible to do the heavy lifting on a $2 microcontroller 22:28 < fenn> which simplifies the whole wearable blinky device considerably 22:28 < kanzure> FFT is some sort of fourier transform? 22:29 < kanzure> sorry that i'm not impressed by blinky leds hooked up to an eeg 22:29 < fenn> yeah it's a fourier transform algorithm 22:29 < fenn> kanzure: it's not supposed to be impressive, shut up 22:29 < kanzure> i see 22:29 < kanzure> but i should do it anyway? 22:32 < fenn> nobody is saying you should do anything 22:33 < fenn> kanzure: ok you want a "go do this" idea? go find someone with an EEG and see what it's like 22:34 < fenn> then decide for yourself whether you care or not 23:09 < timothyschmidt> So the RepRap folks are starting to work on a modern, self-replicating erector set-style building system for small - medium scale machinery. 23:09 < timothyschmidt> akin to 8020 23:09 < timothyschmidt> or gridbeam 23:09 < kanzure> oh? 23:09 < timothyschmidt> http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/RBS 23:10 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 23:11 < kanzure> "or start with said mirroring and eventually bootstrap the RepRap website into a debian-like apt-get repository. " 23:11 < QuantumG> nice 23:13 < timothyschmidt> Also, a RepStrap that will be capable of not only FDM, but also milling and 3D printing - where a dust-like material is sprayed with glue to form both a support material and the object itself. 23:13 < timothyschmidt> http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/Eiffel 23:13 < kanzure> timothyschmidt: someone needs to tell them about skdb 23:14 < kanzure> no need to repeat work.. 23:14 < timothyschmidt> what parts of this would skdb negate? 23:14 < kanzure> the apt-get part 23:14 < timothyschmidt> There's no apt-get part being worked on 23:14 < timothyschmidt> Just the nuts and bolts 23:14 < kanzure> maybe you didn't read the page 23:14 < kanzure> http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/RBS 23:15 < timothyschmidt> ? 23:15 < timothyschmidt> quote a section 23:15 < kanzure> "or start with said mirroring and eventually bootstrap the RepRap website into a debian-like apt-get repository." 23:16 < timothyschmidt> no one is working on that ATM, and if anyone started, they would use skdb 23:16 < kanzure> if you say so 23:17 < timothyschmidt> we don't have enough manpower to re-invent wheels that big 23:17 < kanzure> you'd be surprised.. zach hoeken 23:17 < timothyschmidt> we only have one of him 23:17 < kanzure> yeah and he reinvents wheels all the time 23:17 < kanzure> or hires them 23:17 < timothyschmidt> As soon as we can reprap a cloning machine... 23:17 < kanzure> (and i'm trying to say that he shouldn't) 23:18 < timothyschmidt> Nothing inherently wrong with re-inventing wheels if you can spare the manpower to do so... multiple projects allows one to explore more ideas in the same concept space. The only problem is that there's never enough manpower. 23:20 < timothyschmidt> AFAIK, there's no one in the main project as willing to do so as Zach. 23:28 < kanzure> oh man. i feel so old: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linuxquestions.org-member-intro-24/hello-157541/ 23:28 < timothyschmidt> shut up. you're 20 23:28 < kanzure> haha 23:29 < timothyschmidt> "highly modivated." 23:29 < kanzure> heh 23:30 < kanzure> if you think that's bad, check this out: http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/directmessage.php?m=731189 23:30 < kanzure> hahah "MOD WARNING: Links to hacker sites are not allowed." 23:31 < timothyschmidt> awesome 23:37 -!- randallagordon_ [n=wIRCer@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:42 < kanzure> hm for some reason heybryan.org:8081 is indexed on google 23:43 < kanzure> hey does anyone know who this is? http://fabien.benetou.fr/Cookbook/Objects