--- Day changed Wed Jan 13 2010 00:26 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:27 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:46 < kanzure> http://diybio.org/2009/12/13/webcam-microscope-hacks-at-bosslab/ 00:46 < kanzure> http://diybionyc.blogspot.com/2010/01/fun-with-webcam-microscope.html 00:46 < kanzure> http://hackteria.org 00:46 < kanzure> daniel grushkin's phone number 917-340-0591 00:50 < kanzure> cool pythonocc has been added to ubuntu's "needs packaging" list 00:50 < kanzure> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1967042.html 00:50 < kanzure> and someone is trying to get pythonOCC working with pyqt4 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2053949/qt-winid-forcing-32bit-values 00:58 < kanzure> http://justrade.co.uk/?p=5652 "The MTM group has this awesome idea of a fablab 2.0, where all of the big 00:58 < kanzure> machines will have been made by other machines, reducing commercial 00:58 < kanzure> overhead and increasing overall awesomeness ...[3;2~" 00:59 < kanzure> "I met Jonathan Ward, who’s working in the Machines That Make (MTM) group on an open source, low-cost CNC mill made from 26 parts on a ShopBot, called the MTM A-Z . You can download the necessary files (including bill of materials) to make your own!" 00:59 < kanzure> hm 00:59 < kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/01/low-cost_fabbed_3-axis_mill.html 01:00 < kanzure> http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/mtm_az/mtm_a-z_bom_2.2.html 01:01 < kanzure> $458.18 PCB mill 01:01 < kanzure> jonathan.ward@cba.mit.edu 01:01 < kanzure> oh it's just bullshit 01:01 < kanzure> not open source at all 01:07 < genehacker> perhaps we should all pester him 01:08 < genehacker> oh it has to do with MIT's research agreement 02:09 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:20 -!- parolang` [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:13 < fenn> now available in pure html: http://fennetic.net/sleep/css.html (sorry for the long load time, guess i should split it up and/or reverse chronological order) 05:19 < kanzure> "fenn's sleep cycles: now in 4bit color!" 05:19 < kanzure> oh boy! can't wait for it to finish loading 05:20 < fenn> pure suspense 05:20 < fenn> "i cant wait to see how much time fenn has wasted!" 05:34 < fenn> "While Schmidt was churning out a dissertation over in Oakland, Sergey and Larry were building block castles at Montessori schools. Tech-savvy PhD candidates take note: Those kids at the Waldorf Academy down the street? They might be your bosses someday. I mean, don't worry, you'll be filthy rich. But still." 05:35 < kanzure> :) 05:36 < kanzure> fenn: did you wtf over this yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKDB 05:36 < fenn> meh 05:36 < kanzure> i don't know how copy-pasta made it past the "delete it with fire" drones 05:36 < fenn> because kozuch is an established editor i guess 05:37 < fenn> 90% of wikipedia was copypasta at one point 05:38 < fenn> dammit. didn't i rewrite all of that already? 05:38 < kanzure> "my experience as a waldorf student" http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/waldorf.html 05:39 < kanzure> (start reading at "at other times of the day" i guess) 05:39 < fenn> tl;dr 05:40 < fenn> they're christian? 05:41 < kanzure> i couldn't tell 05:41 < kanzure> so maybe not 05:42 < fenn> well, one thing that sticks out at me is that "Steiner (1861-1925)" was right about the "worldwide racial apocalypse" 05:43 < fenn> at least that's a fair way to characterize WWII 05:47 < kanzure> "We had a chorus comprising the entire high school" sounds familiar to me 05:50 < fenn> hm. i read "the odyssey", "divine comedy" and "paradise lost" too 05:51 < fenn> "disguised Christian parables by J.R.R. Tolkien" 05:53 < fenn> i imagine school in 1950's was generally more religious anyway 06:53 < splicer_> hehe.. I'm reading 'Atlas Shrugged' now 06:54 < Utopiah> splicer_: out of topic but then, since you are reading Rand's work you should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIHLezCyzCI especially min9 07:02 < splicer_> hehe... i actually know the part they cut out... after resigning greenspan talked about how the models didn't work... 07:04 < splicer_> the best method for predicting the future - according to greenspan afterwards - was knowing what way people thought the economy was going to go. 07:04 < splicer_> ... only there was no way to measure this 07:06 -!- chupacabra [n=chupacab@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:00 < splicer_> I listened through the uncut passage... it seems he wasn't talking about his models of prediction in the hearings 2008, but that he was actually talking about his ideology. I stand corrected. 09:56 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 10:49 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- SwordfishXang [n=Sphinx@125.16.137.242] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- SwordfishXang [n=Sphinx@125.16.137.242] has quit ["leaving"] 11:13 < kanzure> haha really long list under "Need to Followup" http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Qi_Inside 11:15 < kanzure> http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2010/1/12/full-color-3d-printing.html 11:17 < kanzure> too bad they don't have anything: http://harkopen.com/projects/opposed-piston-single-cylinder-495-cc-two-stroke-engine 11:25 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 34 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 34 normal] 12:28 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:37 -!- chupacabra [n=chupacab@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:43 < kanzure> why are there so many plasmid map drawing software tools out there? 12:48 < kanzure> http://github.com/mgunneras/python-dnasvg/ Draws an SVG representation of the SNPs from a DNA scan at deCODEme 13:05 < kanzure> http://outlawbiology.net/ 13:11 < kanzure> er, what am i doing? 13:43 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:56 < kanzure> $10k whole genome sequencing in hong knog 13:56 < kanzure> *long 13:56 < kanzure> *kong 13:56 < kanzure> http://www.illumina.com/systems/hiseq_2000.ilmn 14:57 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:01 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:02 < genehacker> http://nextbigfuture.com/ 15:02 < genehacker> IT'S BOLONKIN PAPER TIME 15:02 < genehacker> this one's about blowing up the Sun 15:02 < kanzure> no, it's not 15:02 < genehacker> ok 15:02 < kanzure> it is never bolonkin paper time 15:05 < timothyschmidt> bozarking? 15:06 < genehacker> no seriously it's about blowing up the sun 15:06 < timothyschmidt> google bozarking sometime and see what he's about 15:06 < genehacker> the reddit guy? 15:09 < timothyschmidt> indeed 15:11 < genehacker> you should print an alien and post it on reddit, it'd do wonders for your karma 15:11 < genehacker> then again I'm not into karma... 15:11 < timothyschmidt> this is true 15:28 < kanzure> haha 15:28 < kanzure> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/01/13/open-source-is-terrifying/ 15:29 < kanzure> http://www.techbites.com/201001051654/myblog/articles/z0002-creating-an-open-source-based-fpga-design-flow.html 15:47 < Phreedom> you can expect idiots to throw shit at open source more, not less 15:47 < Phreedom> as it gains even more recognition 15:52 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 16:17 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number 16:18 < kanzure> "Dunbar's number is a theoretical cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships." 16:23 < kanzure> 'British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, who theorized that "this limit is a direct function of relative neocortex size"' 16:23 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:26 < genehacker> perhaps dunbar numbers can be increased with technology 16:27 < timothyschmidt> We've already effectively increased it with sociology and technology. It's called celebrity. 16:28 < kanzure> nah, celebrity is a uni-directional relationship 16:29 < timothyschmidt> It is a method by which we relate ourselves to strangers nontheless. 16:29 < timothyschmidt> "OMG did you see what Lady GaGa did?!?" 16:31 < timothyschmidt> It's a remarkably effective (if imperfect - as kanzure implies) hack of our own psychology. 16:35 < kanzure> DNA mutations causing other nearby mutations? http://designfiles.org/papers/Evidence%20that%20two%20main%20bottleneck%20events%20shaped%20modern%20human%20genetic%20diversity.pdf 16:36 < kanzure> (er, in an evolutionary study) 16:43 < kanzure> cool dieter plaetinck is doing a lightning talk on uzbl in early february 16:53 < genehacker> rar they locked me out of me server account for maintenance 16:53 < genehacker> kanzure can you access the app server? 16:54 < kanzure> the what? 16:56 < genehacker> http://appserver1.me.utexas.edu/Citrix/AccessPlatform/auth/login.aspx 16:58 < kanzure> ok placed follow-up call with mitch 17:22 < kanzure> i don't know what i'm doing 18:05 < kanzure> http://apml.areyoupayingattention.com/ 18:05 < kanzure> attention profiling markup language 18:06 < genehacker> that's creepy 18:06 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:07 < genehacker> btw how are you creating all those autoblogs? 18:07 < genehacker> what python command or module will fill in comment boxes for you? 18:08 < QuantumG> http://www.brusselsprout.org/CNC/1P-Probe/ 18:08 < kanzure> genehacker: something i came up with 18:18 < kanzure> heh 18:18 < kanzure> if you want to have some fun: 18:18 < kanzure> http://baidu.com/ 18:18 < kanzure> search for something like "cheese" 18:18 < kanzure> then search for "google.blogspot.com" 18:18 < kanzure> have fun :) 18:22 < genehacker> very fun 18:22 < genehacker> ny 18:25 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit [""""] 19:14 < bkero> Hey, can you guys test something out for me? 19:14 < bkero> I got the openfarmtech site up, but DNS isn't updated 19:15 < bkero> So can you add a line like "140.211.167.7 openfarmtech.org www.openfarmtech.org" into your /etc/hosts file? 19:15 < bkero> and then goto http://www.openfarmtech.org and see if it looks right? 19:51 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:53 < randallagordon> looks wiki-like to me 20:36 < bkero> It's pretty fast :) 20:37 < bkero> Requests per second: 1474.90 [#/sec] (mean) 20:52 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:12 < ybit> anyone used http://www.cimec.org.ar/twiki/bin/view/Cimec/PETScFEM 21:13 -!- faceface [n=dmb@bioinformatics.org] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:14 < JayDugger> No, FEM lies beyond my competence, ybit. 21:19 < ybit> genehacker: did you ever finish your scipy script? 21:19 < ybit> i'd be interested in having a look 21:22 < ybit> s/scipy/sympy 21:22 < ybit> you said wolfram alpha could solve it but sympy couldn't? 21:26 < ybit> fenn: what are you doing exactly? i thought you were going to stay in the cali area and last i heard you were in d.c.? :P 21:35 < ybit> kanzure: have you tried converting the pythonocc 0.4 rpm to .deb? 21:35 < ybit> i have 21:35 < ybit> rpm2cpio pythonOCC-0.4-0.pm.1.1.i586.rpm | (cd pythonOCC-0.4; cpio --extract --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames --preserve-modification-time) 2>&1 21:35 < ybit> Unpacking of 'pythonOCC-0.4-0.pm.1.1.i586.rpm' failed at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 155. 21:39 < ybit> oh and line 155 is $this->do("rpm2cpio ".$this->filename." | (cd $workdir; cpio --extract --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames --preserve-modification-time) 2>&1") or die "Unpacking of '".$this->filename."' failed"; 21:44 < ybit> heath@togekiss:~/downloads$ alien --to-deb -g --veryverbose pythonOCC-0.4-0.pm.1.1.i586.rpm &> fail.txt && pastebinit fail.txt 21:44 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/f13e0bd2b 21:45 < ybit> yeah yeah, same error as root 21:49 < JayDugger> Has anyone here purchased parts from Big Blue Saw, eMachineShop, or Ponoko? 21:53 < ybit> strages: someone, was it you mentioned ponoko oh so many months ago? 21:54 < JayDugger> I hope to review various book scanning machines next week during vacation. Part of that work involves fabrication cost estimates. 21:54 < JayDugger> (I need something to do during vacation while my girlfriend watches birds.) 21:55 < ybit> you could shoot them 21:55 < ybit> bad joke 21:55 < JayDugger> I could, but the Interior Department would probably arrest me. 21:55 < JayDugger> Vacation=>Maui, birds=>endangered species. 21:56 < JayDugger> No real objection, otherwise. 21:56 < ybit> endangered birds == more pride in mounting it on your wall ;) 21:57 < JayDugger> Yes, but who would I show? That's like having a stolen masterpiece above your fireplace. 21:58 < ybit> hunting is so silly 21:58 < ybit> 'and this one here (like the rest) just didn't see it coming, she was pissing by the lake when..' 22:00 < ybit> an entire day until solidworks is through downloading -_- 22:01 < JayDugger> Opportunity knocks: you've a whole day to prepare for using that new tool. 22:15 -!- biohackernoob [i=a9e84b8a@gateway/web/freenode/x-mlxvmnnypqwpxwcu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:24 < ybit> oi biohackernoob 22:24 < JayDugger> Good evening, biohackernoob. 22:24 < biohackernoob> yo 22:24 < ybit> i've a feeling http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/forum_posts.html was a listing of every forum thread :P 22:26 < biohackernoob> after a bit of a break from diybio research, i came back to think about doing DNA injection into plant cells again... 22:30 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. Time to commute for me. 22:30 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 22:30 -!- flamt_ is now known as flamt 22:48 < biohackernoob> earlier, kanzure said that using a large-diameter needle wouldn't work for injecting DNA into plant cells, but i just found that it has been done: 22:48 < biohackernoob> "DNA macroinjection employing needles with diameters greater than cell diameter has also been tried. In rye (Secale cereale), a marker gene was macroinjected into the stem below the immature floral meristem, so as to reach the sporogenous tissue (De la Pena et al., 1987) leading to successful production of transgenic plants." 22:49 < biohackernoob> "The first batch of about 3,000 seeds, derived from approximately 70 injected rye inflorescences, produced three seedlings that contained and expressed the kanamycin resistance gene." 22:49 < Trooem> oi.... over 100,000 dead at haiti,...... 22:49 < biohackernoob> so low chance of success, but a success nontheless :D 22:55 < Trooem> i'd actually try and help them if i had a lot......... 22:58 < biohackernoob> ooo i found another macroinjection example: 22:59 < biohackernoob> "A hand-drawn needle with an inner diameter of approximately 15 microns and an outer diameter of approximately 150 microns" 23:00 < biohackernoob> and this experiment was much more successful 23:00 < biohackernoob> o wait, nvm about the same success rate 23:02 < biohackernoob> "Variations in the time of injection, the injection buffer, and the presence of various replicative or integrative components in the transformation vector did not seem to improve the transformation efficiency." 23:05 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 23:29 * kanzure just got back from ignite austin 23:31 < kanzure> ybit: no i have not tried to convert pythonocc's .rpm->.deb w/ alien yet 23:31 < kanzure> ybit: do you need me to upload solidworks somewhere 23:31 < kanzure> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/forum_posts.html isn't a list of every thread per-se 23:36 -!- biohackernoob_ [i=a9e84b8a@gateway/web/freenode/x-naoxrpyagpuhcaji] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:39 -!- biohackernoob [i=a9e84b8a@gateway/web/freenode/x-mlxvmnnypqwpxwcu] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 23:43 -!- biohackernoob_ is now known as biohackernoob 23:51 * bkero gave some talks at ignite portland :) 23:51 < kanzure> i was a backup/alternate speaker. meh 23:51 < kanzure> o'rielly sponsored events are increasingly "meh" 23:53 < bkero> lol 23:53 * bkero never really liked O'reilly 23:53 < bkero> Their stupid exclusive evnts. 23:53 < bkero> events 23:55 -!- biohackernoob [i=a9e84b8a@gateway/web/freenode/x-naoxrpyagpuhcaji] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds]