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00:00 < biohackernoob> bah fire drill... had to move :/
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00:10 < biohackernoob_> fire drill ended, moved back XD
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05:29 < faceface> The main grant recipient, Kei Sakamoto, used to host a fitness program on Japanese TV, but was keen to find out how exercise could help people fight obesity and metabolic disease at the molecular levels. He therefore decided to undertake research for his PhD at the Joslin Diabetes Center, Harvard Medical School, USA, where he became an expert on the molecular physiology of exercise and muscle metabolism. He then moved to Dundee to join Dario Alessi
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06:23 < fenn> goosh.org - the unofficial google shell
06:32 < superkuh> I spent a few days trying to modify someone's python script for using goosh with bash. I never could get autocomplete to work.
06:32 < superkuh> autocomplete of goosh through bash would be wonderful.
06:51 < fenn> have i met whurley?
06:51 < fenn> does he show up in here?
06:53 < fenn> oh he's the barcamp guy
06:54 < fenn> he's giving a talk on the 21st http://araustin.eventbrite.com/
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08:37 < faceface> superkuh: can you do somethign with fuse?
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09:43 < kanzure> so uh
09:43 < kanzure> apparently patri friedman is milton friedman's grandson
09:45 < Utopiah> so it wasn't his artist name, hmmm
09:46 < Utopiah> (I think that's the 1st thing I checked when I read about the fake island project, relation to the economist)
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10:15 < katsmeow-afk> Utopiah, which fake island project?
10:16 < Utopiah> patri friedman's http://patrifriedman.com/projects/seastead/seastead.html
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10:17 < katsmeow-afk> seems like a lot of amateurs playing in that sandbox
10:19 < Utopiah> katsmeow-afk: I gathered few others at http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Projetautonomieenergetique#UtopianProjects too
10:20 < kanzure> more printed legos http://makerblock.com/2010/01/new-print-legos/
10:20 < kanzure> Utopiah: patri's project isn't really utopian
10:21 < katsmeow-afk> " which has a 1 acre top deck and can support ~100 people. " <== i don't think it's possible for aperson to live in a 20x20 ft space, grow all their food, collect fresh drinking water, dispose of wastes, generate electricity
10:21 < kanzure> 20x20 is not for one person's agriculture
10:22 < Utopiah> kanzure: let's say "utopian according to my perspective" so Ill (diplomaticly) change its status after trying to live there a bit, sounds fair? ;)
10:22 < kanzure> sure
10:22 < katsmeow-afk> no one in #UtopianProjects
10:23 < Utopiah> ?
10:24 < katsmeow-afk> [09:19] <Utopiah> ..... #UtopianProjects too
10:24 < kanzure> er, no
10:24 < kanzure> he said: http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Projetautonomieenergetique#UtopianProjects
10:24 < katsmeow-afk> oh, heh, it wordwrapped here and the gui insterted a space
10:25 < Utopiah> (I try not to shorten URLs when they look informative)
10:26 < Utopiah> kanzure: arguably every political project, even the most conservative ones, are utopians, I put those there because they look radical to the current society (independantly of my wish for them to succeed)
10:29 < kanzure> fenn: what is charles collis' background? is he a programmer, or what, i can't tell
10:35 < katsmeow-afk> gd "www", entering "amazon.com" into ie results ina google search, and "search from addy bar" is "disabled"
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10:50 < kanzure> i guess he has to have some software background
10:50 < kanzure> he writes too well abotu it
10:50 < kanzure> *about
10:50 < kanzure> http://adciv.org/
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11:04  * katsmeow-afk sighs:
11:04 < katsmeow-afk> The talk I held at the 2009 Seasteading conference is up! Thanks everyone who was there, for the interesting discussions we have had afterwards.
11:04 < katsmeow-afk> Some comments on the then and now: I unfortunately no longer have the confidence in this concept I had back then
11:04 < kanzure> hm?
11:04 < katsmeow-afk> </sigh> and </quote>
11:05 < kanzure> for which presentation?
11:05 < katsmeow-afk> re talking to Utopiah, http://seasteading.org/blogs/engineering/2010/01/08/engineering-talk
11:06 < katsmeow-afk> it's like 2009 ended 2 weeks ago, and he already changed his mind, and this is after years of research into whatever it was he said in 2009
11:07 < katsmeow-afk> "Connecting seasteads in such a manner is more difficult than I supposed, because the horizontal forces involved are much larger than I anticipated on an intuitive basis." which is why i am engineering 100klb joints on my boat duh
11:07 < katsmeow-afk> it's why the Texas Towers collapsed
11:07 < katsmeow-afk> it's why a perfectly good boat becomes scrap afetr a few hrs on a beach
11:08 < katsmeow-afk> how the hell do those guys get funding without doing adequate research intot he basics?!
11:09 < katsmeow-afk> "Under worst case conditions , these horizontal acceleration forces are of the same order of magnitude as the weight of the entire structure itself. the components required to withstand such thousands of tons forces get a little bit out of hand", and he didn't have that clue till early 2010?
11:10 < parolang> katsmeow-afk: Funding to do homework :)
11:11 < katsmeow-afk> did no one understand the deeper a floating ship gets inthe water, the more liable it is to breakup because of the sloshing forces of the water?
11:11 < katsmeow-afk> parolang, no one funded me
11:11 < parolang> katsmeow-afk: Sorry, I thought you were saying that the seasteading guys were funded.
11:12 < katsmeow-afk> they are, i aren't
11:12 < parolang> Neat idea though.
11:12 < parolang> Sure.
11:12 < katsmeow-afk> Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:37 — Wayne Gramlich 
11:12 < katsmeow-afk> Flip Ship
11:12 < katsmeow-afk> Since you are up to speed on Morrisons equations.  How does a structure like the Flip Ship perform in the comfort department?
11:13 < katsmeow-afk> damnit, they said 20 yrs ago the flipship wallows +/- 10 ft and is damned uncomfy
11:17 < katsmeow-afk> basically, i am designing for any one joint to be able to lift the entire boat x2, and then count on the forces to be shared
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11:47 < MrClif> Hey gang, Morning!
11:47 < kanzure> morning
11:47 < MrClif> There was some discussion last week or so about an Oregon Pizza night in Eugene.
11:48 < MrClif> Looks like it could happen this week, tentatively on Friday.
11:49 < MrClif> But we're still working that out. Please chime in if you're interested.
11:57 < kanzure> someone trying to do "openscenegraph"+opencascade http://groups.google.com/group/osg-users/browse_thread/thread/e6017fce82a33b05
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12:27 < ybit> kanzure: if the torrented solidworks doesn't work, yeah, having it uploaded somewhere would be nice
12:31 < kanzure> sorry, what? is that a go or a no-go
12:35 < ybit> no-go atm
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12:47 < ybit> genehacker: do you have your attempt of a sympy script?
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15:12 < flamt_> http://tinyurl.com/lsd-25-ai now with morphic resonane
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15:12 < ybit> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1136417 if anyne wants to grab that for me....
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15:13 < ybit> er, "Development of a Sheet Metal Part Stock Layout System Based on OPENCASCADE Platform"
15:14 < flamt> ance
15:39 < genehacker> that's pretty cool as sheet metal is a great way to make cheap things
15:39 < genehacker> -for high production runs
15:40 < genehacker> though with laser cutters you can do shorter production runs
15:40 < katsmeow-afk> genehacker, re ears: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otoacoustic_emissions
15:41 < katsmeow-afk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus#Mechanisms_of_subjective_tinnitus
16:34 < genehacker> that's very interesting thank you
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17:37 < kanzure> "ben lipkowitz - Trash Re-purposing and Dumpster Diving Meetup"
17:39 < kanzure> hello Noahj
17:41 < Noahj> Hey
17:42 < Noahj> I was just outside sort-of-taking-inventory
17:42 < Noahj> I found a power supply with a huge capacitor in it that outputs 24v and 12amps
17:43 < Noahj> And an amplifier which mysteriously dies, I suspect it's overheating 
17:46 < Noahj> Sounds like they're having fun dumpster diving in California. 
18:07 < Utopiah> just one of the top 10 economy on earth dumpster diving, sounds ok
18:10 < genehacker> it's not dumpster diving it's unused resource reclamation!
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18:23 < thesnark> hello
18:43 < kanzure> hey thesnark 
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19:10 < kanzure> ybit: you guys have a "division of human gene therapy" at the university of alabama? neat
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19:26 < kanzure> hello JayDugger 
19:26 < JayDugger> Hello, kanzure.
19:26  * kanzure has been reading up on gene therapy
19:26 < kanzure> apparently i didn't have any papers on the topic
19:27 < JayDugger> Did you ever discuss Mendeley vs. Zotero for organizing research?
19:27 < kanzure> i tend to use zotero
19:28 < kanzure> mendeley turned me off sort of
19:28 < kanzure> although they do have a nice OCR system (or some other magic going on)
19:30 < JayDugger> Do you often encounter papers that need OCR?
19:30 < kanzure> no
19:31 < kanzure> mendeley uses OCR to extract metadata (DOI number, etc.)
19:31 < kanzure> sometimes it just finds the DOI number in the text (if the .pdf is not just a giant image)
19:31 < JayDugger> Ah, but none of that metadata had value enough to continue its use?
19:31 < kanzure> well, mendeley is proprietary and lock-in, so yeah
19:32 < kanzure> i separated myself from it quickly :)
19:32 < JayDugger> Fair enough.
19:32 < kanzure> zotero has this nice export utility that i've used every once in a while
19:32 < kanzure> to do a dump of a folder on a certain topic
19:32 < kanzure> the dump includes the metadata (citation information) plus the pdf itself
19:32 < kanzure> soo that's nice for others :)
19:33 < JayDugger> I currently keep all the papers I collect and read in doc/non-fiction/<AUTHOR>/, along with all the other non-fiction I have.
19:34 < JayDugger> Whoops, that'd be doc/non-fiction/[a-z]/<Author's Surname, Author's First Name>/
19:34 < JayDugger> This fails for papers, as I remember their content more accurately than their author's name.
19:36 < JayDugger> I don't really need citations because I live and work outside academia.
19:36 < JayDugger> This prompted my questions about Zotero and Mendeley.
19:37 < kanzure> just uploaded: http://designfiles.org/papers/gene-therapy/
19:42 < ybit> kanzure, JayDugger, fenn: what is the service at u.t. austin where the cars are at random spots and people pay so much to use them?
19:42 < kanzure> don't know the name :(
19:43 < JayDugger> I don't know, ybit. I haven't heard of it.
19:43 < kanzure> it's not by the uni btw
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19:43 < JayDugger> AustinCarShare?
19:43 < ybit> that's it
19:44 < JayDugger> AustinCarShare.org
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19:44 < JayDugger> Closed the wrong window. I need eye-tracking for window focus. 
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19:57 < kanzure> i went in for a surgery follow-up appointment today
19:57 < kanzure> the surgeon's fiance was the receptionist, and she looked at me, looked back at the documents
19:58 < kanzure> and said "oh! you're bryan bishop!"
19:58 < kanzure> "my son and i use heybryan all the time for his biology homework"
19:59 < JayDugger> Heh.
19:59 < JayDugger> I hope the follow-up had good news.
19:59 < kanzure> probably because of http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html and http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/
19:59 < JayDugger> And that you got a friendly discount.
19:59 < kanzure> nah this was just to make sure i'm not gushing blood still
20:00 < JayDugger> You'd a follow-up appointment to see if whether you'd leaked out all your blood?
20:00 < JayDugger> That seems rather amenable to remote diagnosis. 
20:00 < JayDugger> Call you and ask, "Sir, do you see a red puddle beneath your feet?"
20:00 < JayDugger> :)
20:02 < kanzure> random search query of the day for visitors to heybryan.org: "
20:02 < kanzure> random search query of the day for visitors to heybryan.org: "working memory impairment related to glutamate toxicity in ocd
20:02 < kanzure> er, that was a weird paste
20:02 < kanzure> how .. how did that happen?
20:03 < JayDugger> Window focus wrong?
20:03 < genehacker> if you get that many visitors you should start selling ads
20:03 < Utopiah> well you managed to be on Google top 10 for quite very precise things, for example http://www.google.com/search?q=G+J+Chaitin+Home+Page
20:04 < kanzure> i don't seem to be on that page
20:04 < Utopiah> (doesn't seem to be there nowbut few days ago I made a query on his homepage and ended up on Heybryan bookmarks)
20:04 < kanzure> heh
20:05 < kanzure> Utopiah: you might find this interesting:
20:05 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/searches.txt
20:05 < kanzure> that was an old parse of a log from 2006 to 2008 of what search terms people were using to get to heybryan.org
20:06 < Utopiah> looks like rather precise topics 
20:06  * kanzure nods
20:07 < kanzure> isopods are a very popular topic
20:08 < genehacker> maybe it's a standard experiment or something
20:09 < kanzure> it is
20:09 < kanzure> scroll down to "2007-10-18 03:36:41"
20:09 < kanzure> didn't know that yahoo allowed multi-line queries
20:14 < Utopiah> (btw... regarding overall Yahoo!, #bloglines topic is rather explicit and a friend working there, Europe branch, wants to quit so maybe it's better enjoying it while it's free and... running ;)
20:14 < Utopiah> s/it/Yahoo! BOSS/
20:15 < Utopiah> (gosh, my connection is so crappy I can't even type a full line, better come back later...)
20:15 < kanzure> BOSS is a pretty sweet deal
20:16 < kanzure> 10k queries/day for free
20:16 < kanzure> wish they had that on a growth curve though
20:18 < ybit> stupid fortran eerrors with elmer, rr
20:19 < ybit> grr *
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21:10 < thesnark> ybit zipcar?
21:11 < thesnark> oops
21:11 < thesnark> nevermind
21:12 < thesnark> ffffuuu
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22:19 < kanzure> hm kozuch frquents #cam?
22:19 < kanzure> *frequents
22:20 < JayDugger> What's #cam cover?
22:21 < kanzure> computer-aided manufacturing and machining
22:21 < Utopiah> what's the SantaFe link to the DB of exp. curves?
22:21 < kanzure> Utopiah: performance curves database is the name i think
22:21 < Utopiah> http://pcdb.santafe.edu/
22:21 < kanzure> pcdb
22:21 < Utopiah> thanks, find it 10sec before...
22:21 < kanzure> there you go :)
22:23 < Utopiah> (hate that, I search and search and finally ask and find it right after asking, duh)
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23:50 < kanzure> ybit: i'm going to stop the upload. it's going to take forever.
23:51 < genehacker> what are you uploading
23:51 < kanzure> solidworks