--- Day changed Sun Jan 17 2010 00:09 -!- jvalleroy [n=jvallero@cblmdm72-241-144-75.buckeyecom.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 00:31 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-67-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:10 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:56 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:06 -!- chupadupa [n=chupacab@adsl-71-145-180-47.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:10 -!- flamt [n=root@70.50.177.225] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:13 -!- flamt [n=root@70.50.177.225] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:05 -!- randallagordon_ [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:10 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:20 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:26 -!- randallagordon_ [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:33 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-157-167.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:37 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-67-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 07:37 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:41 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:41 < Aliks> anyone around? 08:44 < kanzure> no 09:03 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:29 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:40 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- anelma [n=elmom@80.221.41.137] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:44 < Aliks> back 09:44 < Aliks> so you are here Kanzure? 09:52 < kanzure> yes 09:52 < kanzure> was just reading http://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/aprvq/do_any_telescopes_use_fractal_opticallight_capture/ 09:54 < kanzure> looks like #wrongplanet had some issues: http://pastebin.com/d1ef774ae 09:54 < kanzure> "the need for open source software in machine learning" http://www.kyb.tuebingen.mpg.de/publication.html?user=bs&select_year=2010&select_year=all 09:57 < Utopiah> http://mloss.org/software/ 09:58 < kanzure> yeah there's lots of open source software in machine learning 10:00 < kanzure> has anyone seen PYTHONOCC_PDE2009_PAVIOT_FINAL.ppt ? 10:02 < kanzure> "Spirit Branch Medicine, Fu Xi Wen, Open Source Medicine, and Emoteishin are trademarks of Ethan Borg, LLC. " wtf 10:05 < Aliks> anyone here heard of Charlie Warren? 10:05 < kanzure> has anyone seen "dark angel"? it's supposed to be a cyberpunk/biopunk tv series by james cameron 10:06 < kanzure> Aliks: once or twice, yes 10:06 < Aliks> kanzure, any thoughts on him? 10:06 < kanzure> no, he hasn't shown up on my radar enough yet 10:06 < Aliks> doesnt frequent this chat I assume? 10:06 < kanzure> no 10:06 < Aliks> hmm ok... yeah.. having a strange issue 10:06 < Aliks> another organization is threatening to sue mine 10:06 < kanzure> ? 10:06 < Aliks> not really sure why 10:06 < kanzure> why's that 10:06 < Aliks> just got a nasty, street thug style email 10:06 < kanzure> heh 10:07 < Aliks> apparently they dont like our name 10:07 < kanzure> i think he does "campaign for aging research" 10:07 < Aliks> exactly 10:07 < Aliks> open for less than 30 days and already getting threatened by people.... 10:07 < Aliks> who are supposed to be our allies 10:08 < Aliks> personally I'd say "campaign against aging" is fairly distinct from that 10:08 < kanzure> distinct from what? 10:08 < Aliks> CAR 10:08 < Aliks> this is all off the record btw lol 10:08 < kanzure> caregivers against raging? 10:08 < Aliks> CAR is campaign for aging research 10:08 < Aliks> thats their abbreviation 10:09 < Aliks> shrug 10:10 < kanzure> i wouldn't worry about it, but it is interesting that they may or may not have the money to sue 10:10 < Aliks> how so 10:10 < Aliks> I dont understand the last part 10:10 < kanzure> well i guess their campaign must be going well? heh 10:10 < Aliks> lol 10:10 < Aliks> well, apparently they think it's going well enough to stamp out other organizations with a similar mission 10:10 < Aliks> even though aside from online I've never heard of the guy 10:11 < Aliks> or seen any effect of his work 10:11 < Aliks> so, I'm very confused 10:11 < kanzure> hey who's CAR? i mean who's behind it 10:11 < kanzure> i know you're their webdev but still 10:11 < Aliks> no 10:11 < Aliks> Campaign for Aging Research is Charlie Warren et al 10:11 < Aliks> Campaign Against Aging is my org 10:12 < kanzure> er, who is CAA then 10:12 < Aliks> cofounders, myself & florin 10:12 < kanzure> just you? 10:12 < kanzure> ok 10:12 < Aliks> we now have a few other people 10:12 < Aliks> but we are not going to mention anyone else now that there's a suit 10:12 < Aliks> or possible suit 10:12 < Aliks> some higher profile people want in 10:12 < Aliks> but now they'll probably not want to be public 10:12 < Aliks> sucks 10:12 < Aliks> maybe thats the plan 10:13 < Aliks> kill us while we're growing 10:13 < kanzure> how do you rationalize "yet another organization for collecting donations"? 10:13 < Aliks> we're mostly awareness raising, and I rationalize it by, "the other ones are not doing it effectively" 10:13 < Aliks> its like asking, how do you justify another restaurant 10:13 < Aliks> food's better, service is better, bathrooms are cleaner, location, menu, who knows... just different 10:13 < Aliks> everybody's gotta eat, but you have more options than Taco Bell 10:13 < kanzure> Aliks: you should tell charlie, "oh, no, you don't understand- this is the campaign against _the_ aging" (even though it's not) 10:14 < Aliks> lol 10:14 < kanzure> "it's a minor mistake, charlie" 10:14 < Aliks> main reason we founded it is MF was moving too slow for our taste 10:14 < Aliks> wanted to make an org that we could move faster 10:14 < Aliks> since less bureaucracy 10:14 < kanzure> there's another one out there 10:14 < kanzure> have you talked with jata yet? 10:14 < Aliks> no 10:14 < kanzure> put that on your todo list 10:14 < Aliks> either way, CAA exists now, no sense killing it 10:14 < Aliks> but yeah I will 10:14 < Aliks> CAA is getting good support 10:15 < kanzure> http://parijata.com/ has something moving faster than methusalehahahaha 10:15 < Aliks> and we already have an awareness raising campaign in the planning 10:15 < Aliks> with hundreds of dollars invested 10:15 < kanzure> meh 10:15 < Aliks> of the founders' money 10:15 < kanzure> well good luck. 10:15 < Aliks> yeah 10:15 < kanzure> where are you putting the money after the advertising? 10:15 < Aliks> we have a few leads, but #1 priority right now is just to raise awareness of the ability to fight aging 10:15 < Aliks> we dont have the resources to fund research yet 10:15 < Aliks> we just started 30 days ago lol 10:16 < Aliks> less even.. we need time 10:16 < Aliks> still getting organized 10:16 < kanzure> believe me, even $1k can do good reswearch (at least in the diy scene) 10:16 < kanzure> *research 10:16 < Aliks> yeah we plan on working with the DIYbio crowd 10:16 < parolang> kanzure: I liked dark angel, never saw it before it was cancelled. Own both seasons on DVD, definitely a transhumanist element to it, but more dystopian/post-apocalyptic. Stars Jessica Abla. 10:16 < Aliks> already soliciting some proposals 10:16 < Aliks> anyway, will talk to your guy 10:18 < Aliks> BTW if you know anybody with specific anti-aging research projects I'm interested 10:18 < Aliks> just email me or have them email me about their plans 10:29 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 10:36 < kanzure> makerbot.com is bringing in $120k/mo wtf 10:36 < kanzure> http://www.genomicon.com/2010/01/printing-advances/ 11:18 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 11:18 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:23 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:35 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:40 < ybit2> i've a feeling my windows xp copy has spyware installed 13:40 < ybit2> just for the fact that safari and ie send me to crap sites instead of the sites you type in 13:41 < ybit2> hi kristianpaul 13:41 < kristianpaul> ybit2: hola 13:42 < ybit2> that makes me happy 13:42 < ybit2> ..you saying 'hola' 13:42 < kristianpaul> :) 13:43 < ybit2> i tend to geek out over little things, probably would have geeked out had you typed '01001000 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111' as well :) 13:45 < ybit2> fenn: are you @ day 2 of the conf? 13:46 < ybit2> and also what computer are you using? i don't recall you leaving with a mobile computing device 13:46 < ybit2> kristianpaul: what part of CO are you from? 13:47 < kristianpaul> ybit2: Valle 13:47 < kristianpaul> why? 13:47 < ybit2> i met some interesting girls from CO at the h+ summit 13:47 < ybit2> i don't know why i asked, was just curious 13:49 * ybit2 shuts up with the noise 13:56 < kristianpaul> np 14:11 < ybit2> anyone here used solidworks or autocad? 14:11 < kristianpaul> what? 14:11 < ybit2> i'll take that as a no from you 14:12 < kristianpaul> i use heekscadm little of blender and some pyoccc (learning...) 14:13 < kristianpaul> ybit2: heekscad looks like solidworks btw 14:50 -!- jvalleroy [n=jvallero@cblmdm72-241-144-75.buckeyecom.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:53 < ybit2> kristianpaul: i've been messing around with heekscad as well, but the new job requires knowledge of solidworks 14:53 < ybit2> hi jvalleroy 14:53 < jvalleroy> hi there 14:56 < jvalleroy> how's it going? 15:05 < ybit2> alright i suppose, having difficulty getting autocad and solidworks working atm 15:05 < ybit2> jvalleroy: how about yourself? 15:06 < jvalleroy> not bad 15:07 < jvalleroy> are those the "download" editions? 15:07 < jvalleroy> if you know what I mean 15:10 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:38 < ybit2> a key for sw2010? 15:41 < ybit2> hi elmom 15:41 < ybit2> jvalleroy: yeah, it's the 'download edition' 16:42 < flamt> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/11/2140224/Neural-Nets-Make-Art-While-High 16:46 -!- eldon [n=eldon@cpe-075-178-085-076.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:46 -!- eldon [n=eldon@cpe-075-178-085-076.ec.res.rr.com] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 17:09 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:13 < strages> ybit, I'd idle alot and spend a lot of time at my local hackerspace 17:14 < strages> also yes, I've mention ponoko to you 17:19 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:19 < kanzure> jerry's epilog laser cutter was pretty nice 17:30 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:49 < kanzure> http://cgi.ebay.com/New-40W-USB-CO2-Laser-Engraver-Cutter-8-2-x-8-CE_W0QQitemZ350305436148QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518fd4c1f4 17:50 < kanzure> small cutting area though 17:57 < kanzure> how many watts to cut polycarbonate or acrylic? 18:00 < kanzure> seems like at least a 40W laser is required 18:05 < kanzure> or for just $1k http://cgi.ebay.com/New-40W-Desktop-CO2-Laser-Engraver-Cutter-210x205mm-CE_W0QQitemZ130356526782QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e59dabebe 18:06 < kanzure> alex lightman wants me to write him a document about my "intellectual journey" 18:06 < kanzure> and to assemble a list of all books i've read 18:06 < kanzure> i don't know why 18:09 < kanzure> anyway, i was really surprised when i didn't have any microfluidic circuits ready to cut out 18:09 < kanzure> genehacker2: you have failed me :( 18:22 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:22 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["leaving"] 18:22 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:00 < bkero> randallagordon, MrClif: Here's yer nice storage box. http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ 19:00 < genehacker2> failed how? 19:01 < genehacker2> I only have fluidic circuit silhouettes for high re operation 19:02 < genehacker2> and they aren't in digital format 19:03 < genehacker2> but I've seen people in ETC working on what look like microfludic circuits, but I don't think they're willing to share 19:04 < genehacker2> laser cutters also don't produce nice clean cuts, though this isn't a problem at low RE 19:18 < kanzure> looks like 0.1mm max positional resolution 19:19 < genehacker2> you need better for microfluidic... 19:19 < genehacker2> however for fluidics it's good enough 19:20 < genehacker2> what file format does the cutter take? 19:25 < kanzure> a 100micron channel is fine for microfluidics i think 19:26 < kanzure> any image format 19:29 < genehacker2> any image format? are you joking? 19:29 < genehacker2> if so then you could have already made some fluidic logic elements 19:30 < genehacker2> err... did I send you my scanned fluidics book with element silhouettes? 19:31 < genehacker2> they weren't perfect but they were good enough to cut 19:31 < genehacker2> how about .dxf, there aren't any lasercutters that won't accept that right? 19:31 < kanzure> yes you did, but they looked more like diagrams- they had extra markings, etc. 19:31 < kanzure> if a typical printer can print out .dxf, then so can the epilog laser cutter mini 19:33 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:34 < genehacker> I'll whip up a fluidic amplifier for you 19:52 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:25 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:30 -!- Netsplit lindbohm.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: katsmeow-afk 20:39 -!- any72062320 [n=someone@75-120-216-184.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:57 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 20:58 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:19 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:20 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:43 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:50 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:50 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:53 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-8-139.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:54 < kanzure> the title of my tabs are so lame right now: "darktrunks", "nude nanodrop" (don't ask), "purple cows lamination" 22:15 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-168.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:09 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:22 -!- jvalleroy [n=jvallero@cblmdm72-241-144-75.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:23 -!- jvalleroy [n=jvallero@cblmdm72-241-144-75.buckeyecom.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:23 < thesnark> hey jvalleroy 23:26 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit ["OH SHI0"] 23:27 < jvalleroy> oh hey 23:28 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]