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00:00 < futuresoon> a) strongly agree b) agree c) disagree d) strongly disagree e) this frames the issue wrong f) no opinion g) don't know h) we should not state an opinion on this
00:00 < futuresoon> the first four are the magnitude of a vector in "Political Space"
00:00 < futuresoon> a binary tree, that can later be pruned
00:00 < futuresoon> of political questions
00:00 < futuresoon> the other four are like a vector 0 but it de-emphasizes that issue
00:00 < kanzure> have you seen canonizer?
00:01 < futuresoon> and then you have a reputation system that's bayesian whatchama
00:01 < futuresoon> and reputation exchanges and currencies between HQ and local chapters
00:01 < ybit> kanzure: what about it?
00:02 < ybit> are you thinking that something similar to it might be of use?
00:03 < ybit> also, wasn't there a list of articles (not threads) or papers from sciencemadness.org..
00:03 < ybit> http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/index.html
00:03 < kanzure> there was a list of threads that i assembled and sent to the diybio list
00:07 < ybit> yeah, i recall, but i'm thinking i'll just have it wget mirror every week or so
00:07 < ybit> -it
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01:50 < kanzure> nice responses on 2 monitors and 2 workspaces: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/01/28/206240/2-Displays-and-2-Workspaces-With-Linux-and-X?art_pos=9
01:56 < kanzure> nice interpretation of the neurons-from-fibroblasts article: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1528796&cid=30943150
01:56 < kanzure> "This is also a interesting paradigm shift for developmental biologists: apparently you don’t have to go back to square one to switch cell fates, it will take longer and be less efficient to do so. IpsC take about a month to become pluripotent and then be grown back into neurons, and only about 1% of the cells do that if I recall correctly. These take a week."
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08:50 < kanzure> http://panarchy.com/Members/PaulBHartzog/Papers/TYF_06%20econ%20openScale.pdf
08:51 < kanzure> http://www.iftf.org/files/deliverables/SR-1236%20Future%20Knowledge%20Ecosystems.pdf
09:22 < kanzure> http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=101
09:22 < kanzure> gah :(
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10:40 < kanzure> http://wiki.therobotgroup.org/wiki/ListLinks
10:40 < kanzure> jerry collects links perhaps not as obsessively as i do
11:11 < kristianpaul> hehe
11:11 < Utopiah> nobody does
11:12 < Utopiah> well except Google maybe
11:12 < kristianpaul> lol
11:13 < kristianpaul> kanzure: whre are your links btw?
11:14 < Utopiah> http://heybryan.org/bookmarks/
11:15 < kristianpaul> ahh
11:15  * kristianpaul  need create a bookmark repo too
11:16 < kristianpaul> kanzure: google ads?
11:16 < kristianpaul> thats insane ;)
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11:27 < kanzure> yeah i'm evil =[
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11:31 < gearhacker> here it's advertising internet explorer 8
11:33 < kanzure> birds cracking nuts by dropping it in traffic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKvPPi0F_JY
12:00 < kanzure> hm james choate might have said something right for once: "The 'intelligence' you speak of -is- the fitness function."
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12:19 < kanzure> i should probably edit this more often: http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/wiki/Main_Page
12:32 < kanzure> code for the makerscan project: http://abarry.org/stereo/
12:32 < kanzure> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1535
12:32 < kanzure> meshlab's poisson reconstruction feature?
12:49 < kristianpaul> seems to
12:50  * kristianpaul wants to try but need a laser :/
12:53 < kristianpaul> nice a pic drive it :)
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13:52 < ybit> someone building a robot army: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAmqikFvFg
13:52 < ybit> "The Robot-A-Day creative mission undertaken by Weird Force One at the request of some sort of Robotic overlord that showed up to his new year's party and never left. Will Weird Force One really build a giant robot army over the course of the entire year??? "
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14:00 < ybit> more like a robot figurine army
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14:33 < fenn> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sugargliders/4044058001/
14:38 < kanzure> isn't that john's place?
14:38 < kanzure> yep
14:38 < kanzure> livly
14:38 < fenn> i thought they had more of a real space, guess not
14:56 < ybit> new stuff at http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/
14:58 < ybit> http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu:3000/documents/101 :: http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu:3000/attachments/461/OpenManualCEB.dxf
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15:04 < gearhacker> http://www.flickr.com/photos/voxel123/4037590924/
15:04 < gearhacker> CT scan of legos
15:04 < gearhacker> *CT scan of lego CT scanner
15:05 < Utopiah> CT scan time well used ;)
15:07 < ybit> this commercial makes me laugh 
15:07 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt3EGgtSAUc
15:07 < ybit> "uPrint Personal 3D Printer - Graphics Systems Corp"
15:08 < ybit> it's a great commercial, the price will, um, scare most everyone away
15:08 < kristianpaul> hehe
15:10 < fenn> those CT scans are really cool
15:11 < ybit> the makerbot might look more reliable some because it has an eclosed casing, thus it could probably take the place of this commercial and profit if marketed on larger t.v. stations 
15:11 < ybit> "+to some because..."
15:11 < ybit> enclosed, grr
15:13 < fenn> it's not enclosed though
15:13 < fenn> anyway the stratasys has a heated enclosure, which actually does something useful (prevents warping/cracking)
15:14 < fenn> it has like an inch thick insulation
15:15 < ybit> the michigan reprap group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH8i9wdjrls
15:17 < ybit> all the vids are coming from http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/01/22/Replicator/
15:17 < ybit> "News
15:17 < ybit> A Tyee Series
15:17 < ybit> The Replicator, No Longer a Star Trek Dream"
15:29 < fenn> yes that's enough thanks :P
15:30 < fenn> ignorant truck driver, spokesman for the future!
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15:48 < ybit> fenn: hehe, i thought it was humorous
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16:49 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tubal_Pregnancy_with_embryo.jpg
16:49 < ybit> our world is so bizarre
16:50 < katsmeow-afk> [OT] what do you suppose the voltage_standoff / arc_thru rating would be for dried .002 paper (common notepad) soaked in epoxy, after the epoxy sets?
16:50 < ybit> how s how is that OT?
16:51 < katsmeow-afk> it has zero to do with pregnacy or makerbots, i suspect
16:51 < ybit> H+ is one broad umbrella
16:52 < katsmeow-afk> lets get off the suitability of the question issue, and get to the question
16:54 < katsmeow-afk> ?
17:08 < fenn> google sez epoxy is about 20kV/mm so about 2kV?
17:13 < katsmeow-afk> nice :-))
17:13 < katsmeow-afk> thanks, fenn
17:24 < ybit> http://google.com/trends?q=open+hardware&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
17:25 < ybit> http://google.com/trends?q=open+hardware&ctab=0&geo=us&date=all&sort=0
17:25 < ybit> s.f. rules inin the u.s. searches
17:26 < ybit> austin @ #3
17:26 < ybit> state-wise, kansas, makes me wonder if that's because of factor-e-farm
17:32 < kanzure> hm: http://data.gov.uk/
17:32 < kanzure> "advised by sir tim berners-lee"
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18:57 < kanzure> rejuvepedia's birthday http://www.rejuvepedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
18:57 < kanzure> live stream for outlaw bio: http://sinapse.arc2.ucla.edu/streaming/livestream.aspx
18:58 < kanzure> see also: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23outlawbio
18:58 < marainein> i didn't know about rejuvepedia - thanks
18:59 < marainein> i actually intended to start something like that, almost exactly a year ago
19:32 < ybit> kanzure: what load balancer did you and fenn use?
19:32 < ybit> my friend needs to cap his upload to me
19:32 < ybit> i guess any will do
19:36 < kanzure> i tried wondershaper, but it's not veryh specific
19:36 < kanzure> s/veryh/very/
19:36 < kanzure> apache has a built-in throttler
19:39 < ybit> bah, i'll just use rsync --bwlimit
19:42 < Utopiah> http://creativity-online.com/work/cat-2009-open-source-everything/16356
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21:03 < ybit> strages: how is the weather in a box idea coming along?
21:03 < ybit> mitch never got back with me
21:03 < gearhacker> weather in a box?
21:03 < ybit> grr at people calling something open source and not releasing the source
21:03 < gearhacker> is this some sort of CFD thing
21:03 < ybit> gearhacker: no
21:03 < gearhacker> where you have a 3d display in box that simulates storms
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21:10 < ybit> http://singularityhub.com/2010/01/10/reading-your-mind-to-tag-images-and-work-with-computers/ :: using eeg to tag images
21:10 < ybit> interesting idea
21:11 < gearhacker> I find this disturbing
21:12 < ybit> "The results indicate that when we have more energy available (that is, higher levels of blood glucose), we tend to be more future-oriented. The authors note that "the future is more abstract than the present and thus may require more energy to process. Blood glucose as brain fuel would strengthen effortful cognitive processing for future events." Conversely, having low energy (or low blood glucose levels) may make an individual focus more on the prese
21:13 < ybit> unable to find the paper
21:13 < gearhacker> mainly because I'm worried about some of the bad applications of pattern recognition...
21:13  * ybit wants to hear
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21:16 < ybit> what are some bad applications gearhacker?
21:16 < ybit> http://tbiweb.org/tbi/file_dir/TBI2008/TBI2008_1_35.pdf :: [PDF] Stem Cell Research in China
21:16 < ybit> tbiweb.org [PDF]
21:16 < ybit> grr
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23:00 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, conversely, more CO2 in the blood has been shown to make people depressed, anxcious, and grouchy
23:02 < kanzure> grouchy? i must have an infinite supply of CO2 in the blood
23:02 < kanzure> now get off my electrons
23:03  * katsmeow-afk hopes she tiptoed off to the right side
23:06 < kanzure> i'm kidding.
23:07 < kanzure> sorry, i forgot to add snarkmarks