--- Day changed Tue Feb 02 2010 00:34 < kanzure> "the architects of interesting sciences and technologies (taoists)" 00:34 * kanzure waits to hear nsh chuckle 00:35 * kanzure frowns 00:39 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:18 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 01:24 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: Ctrl-C at console.] 01:24 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:12 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-82.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:41 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-82.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:47 -!- shepazutoo [~schepers@adsl-144-137-33.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:48 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-227-103-164.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:51 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-82.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:59 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-82.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:00 -!- any03128640 [~someone@75-120-21-164.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:01 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-21-164.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:08 -!- any99386177 [~someone@75-120-21-164.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- any03128640 [~someone@75-120-21-164.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:20 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:27 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:30 < fenn> hanging out with sid tonight; his recent thoughts: http://thetechnologist.tv/blog/2010-storm-drones 06:31 < fenn> mostly apple-bashing 06:32 < fenn> i discovered the "playstation eye" is a really great webcam; updates fast (60fps even in low light) and good resolution 06:32 < fenn> not sure what to do with 4 microphones 06:35 < fenn> heh and ~2x zoom lens 06:43 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:11 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: The action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer of neurons.] 07:12 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@c-24-245-50-49.hsd1.wi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:12 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@c-24-245-50-49.hsd1.wi.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:12 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:16 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Client Quit] 07:16 -!- superkuh [superkuh@c-24-245-50-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:16 -!- superkuh [superkuh@c-24-245-50-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:16 -!- superkuh [superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:53 < fenn> damn trader joe's chocolate... i thought i knew beter 08:30 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-60.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:40 -!- shepazutoo [~schepers@adsl-144-137-33.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:53 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-60.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:56 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-60.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:07 -!- any99386177 is now known as katsmeow-afk 09:08 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-221-77-16.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- zancas [~zancas@208-78-67-234-rangeroamerinc.clt.ord.sparkplugbb.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:35 < kanzure> fenn: did steve get you addicted to trader joe's? 09:39 -!- zancas [~zancas@208-78-67-234-rangeroamerinc.clt.ord.sparkplugbb.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:44 -!- superkuh [superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:51 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:19 * nsh belatedly chuckles 10:25 < kanzure> >:( 10:25 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/analysis.20100202 10:25 < kanzure> 12.75 netizens/day. hrm 10:26 < kanzure> that doesn't make sense, 13 new people per day? 10:26 < kanzure> it doesn't feel like that at all 10:37 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:38 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-60.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:08 -!- strages [~strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:09 < kanzure> hm: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2009-to-2010.png 11:10 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2004-to-2010.png 11:10 < kanzure> my tails are all backwards o_O 11:18 < kanzure> big image version: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2004-to-2010-points.png 11:23 < kanzure> hm if i had collected time data i could do some fancy 3d plots (like how long was spent with eachperson) 11:29 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-107-223.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:32 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56 < kanzure> "a biopunk manifesto" http://maradydd.livejournal.com/496085.html 12:10 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-169-70.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:15 -!- chupacabra [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:24 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-169-70.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:33 -!- strages [~strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:53 < kanzure> http://fora.humanityplus.org/ 12:54 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-107-223.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:02 < kanzure> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/index.php/Sources 13:11 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:15 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@174-20-164-80.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:27 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/text/The%20Cambridge%20Handbook%20of%20Expertise%20and%20Expert%20Performance.pdf 13:30 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@174-20-164-80.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:37 < ybit> kanzure: what's the point of the meetlog? 13:37 < ybit> just to something keep you busy, perhaps 13:39 < ybit> i.e. data to play with 13:46 < ybit> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/index.php/Sources 15:00 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:00 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov] 15:01 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:46 < ybit> anyone know of something like feh for browsing through images on an external web server? 16:29 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:39 < ybit> gwenview 17:22 < ybit> "Fuck you, I'm an anteater" :D 17:23 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/images/pictures/anteater.jpg 17:24 < ybit> fenn, kanzure, whomever had that on their hdd, thanks. 17:25 -!- zancas [~zancas@208-78-67-234-rangeroamerinc.clt.ord.sparkplugbb.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov] 17:37 -!- zancas [~zancas@208-78-67-234-rangeroamerinc.clt.ord.sparkplugbb.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:39 < ybit> kanzure: http://bayimg.com/image/eakeiaacc.jpg 17:40 < ybit> you show up in my search results for 'computational neuroscience' when i'm logged into my google account 17:40 < ybit> you can see in the konqueror browser that i'm not logged in and you don't pop up 17:41 < kanzure> ybit: i suggest browsing at 100 results per page on google 17:42 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:50 < kanzure> "After the big tsunami, the only structure still standing in the wiped-out village of Malacca was a statue of Mahatma Gandhi. I wanna be able to stand like that. Even after getting gargled and spanked and spit out by God." 17:58 < ybit> ah, it was superkuh, thanks superkuh 18:00 < kanzure> ybit: the meetlog is me keeping track of rates of change 18:02 < ybit> i guess it isn't so terrible 18:02 < ybit> while you're at it, create a small program which keeps up with what i'm viewing 24/7 18:02 < kanzure> also it helps me remember when i last talked with people 18:02 < ybit> or at least on the comp. 18:03 < kanzure> a processactogram? 18:03 < ybit> http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/processactogram.pl 18:03 < kanzure> yes 18:03 < ybit> hrm 18:06 < ybit> kanzure: have you actually used it/ 18:06 < ybit> superkuh: do you have any data to share after running the script? 18:16 < kanzure> no i have not used it 18:16 < kanzure> ybit: http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/actogramexample12days_small.png 18:17 < kanzure> requires: GD::Simple, DB_File, Proc::ProcessTable, X11::IdleTime, X11 utility 'xprop' 18:18 < ybit> superkuh: anything larger? 18:18 < ybit> ah, i see 18:21 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:21 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:26 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:00 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:05 -!- root_ [~root@bas1-barrie18-1242379388.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:05 -!- root_ is now known as Guest2663 19:06 -!- Guest2663 is now known as flamt 19:11 < jdugger> Hello, all. 19:11 < ybit> hey jdugger 19:21 < jdugger> Argh! I move away from Saint Louis and it gets a hacker space? I might reconsider my opinion of that city. 19:29 < superkuh> ybit: http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/actogramexample12days_big.png 19:34 < kanzure> i failed 19:41 < kanzure> ybit: are you working on the autovoter for cubespawn? 19:41 < kanzure> or do i have to do that? 19:44 < kanzure> ugh. contract negotiation sucks 19:44 < jdugger> Heh, heh, heh. 19:44 < kanzure> "how about $150k/year?" "how about no?" 19:44 < kanzure> jdugger: do you have any experience in this? 19:44 < jdugger> Just hard knocks. 19:44 < kanzure> i'm hiring a lawyer, but this guy's expensive 19:45 < jdugger> That's a good idea. 19:45 < jdugger> I found employers took more seriously after I mentioned an attorney on retainer. 19:45 < jdugger> took me, rather. 19:47 < ybit> kanzure: i plan on it, but my attention span sucks in general 19:50 < jdugger> ybit: No insult meant, but have you tried a calendar? 19:50 < kanzure> ok i'll finish it 19:50 < kanzure> sigh 19:50 < jdugger> ybit: Seriously, if you cultivate the habit of checking it, they tend to help. 19:59 < ybit> jdugger: i have way too many items that i want to do 19:59 < ybit> organizing it is difficult for me 20:00 < ybit> my wallpaper has the immediate todo items, but i don't have a calendar or a set time for anything 20:02 < ybit> modafinil would help 20:03 < kanzure> a kick in the ass would help 20:04 * kanzure shakes his head 20:04 < jdugger> Try to automate as much as you can, and keep a permanent written record of your "want to do" items. 20:05 < jdugger> David Allen's GTD method, now that the hype's faded, has some useful techniques. 20:05 < ybit> apparently GTD and org-mode work great together 20:06 < jdugger> So I'm told, but I lack sufficient emacs-fu to test it. 20:06 < jdugger> I can't tell you much about Provigil. I've never tried it. 20:07 < ybit> !logs 20:07 < hplusbot> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt 20:07 < ybit> i've talked about it before 20:07 < jdugger> Duly noted. I'll grep it out of the log in an idle moment at $DAYJOB. 20:08 < ybit> be sure to do -A 10 20:08 < jdugger> Good point. I'd forgotten that switch. Yea, 'man'! 20:19 < jdugger> ybit, have you tried Jott or ReQall for capturing and scheduling ideas? 20:20 < ybit> nope 20:20 < jdugger> If you don't mind using subscription services, you mind find them useful. 20:20 < jdugger> might, rather. Grr... 20:20 < ybit> ick 20:22 < jdugger> Well...Allen's book probably lies in a local public library (check Worldcat), and emacs org-mode has open source. 20:23 < fenn> i think the processactogram script just generates an image, and doesn't save any data 20:24 < ybit> reqall looks nice, i'd rather implement a system like that myself though, or have someone else do it 20:24 < ybit> ..open-source plz 20:25 < jdugger> You might have to implement it yourself. 20:25 < fenn> superkuh: i set some bloodthirsty journalists on your trail.. hope you dont mind :) 20:26 < ybit> buddhabrots never get old 20:26 < superkuh> fenn: Why would you do that? 20:27 < fenn> superkuh: because you are interesting 20:27 < fenn> i met them at the quantified self meetup 20:27 < jdugger> Did you learn anything interesting at the QS meetup, fenn? 20:28 < fenn> um, learn anything? no, that's what the internet is for 20:29 < fenn> i learned that 70 people showed up and were highly interested in what i'm doing 20:29 < fenn> which is more than i expected 20:29 < jdugger> Point taken. I should have written "what did you learn that the Internet won't show?" 20:37 < ybit> 70 is a lot 20:38 < ybit> so far, only ~400G is filled on this drive 21:00 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:07 < fenn> anyone know much about electrooculograms? can i do mouse-like eye tracking with one? or at least a pie menu 22:09 < kanzure> http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/02/03/0034214/Why-Time-Flies-By-As-You-Get-Older?art_pos=1 typical responses. but one comment says "your aging gets slower" 22:10 < QuantumG> there's a related question there.. why does thought/wit slow down with age? 22:12 < kanzure> QuantumG: did you see this? 22:12 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_thread/thread/3ba32bfad6916a1c 22:12 < kanzure> " Exploring perceived acceleration of time as we age " 22:12 < kanzure> holy shit that was 2009-12-22? 22:12 < jdugger> Heh, heh, heh. 22:13 < fenn> seems like a long time ago to me 22:14 < fenn> i think your/freeman's time perception model is wrong 22:14 < kanzure> yes i agree that something is wrong 22:14 < kanzure> if i knew where i'd fix it :p 22:14 < kanzure> something doesn't feel right 22:14 < kanzure> "right" 22:14 < kanzure> s/where/where,/ 22:15 < fenn> it has nothing to do with actual time passing 22:15 < fenn> as i've said a zillion times, life is measured in new experiences 22:16 < kanzure> yeah but that's a perception 22:16 < kanzure> so there should be a way to tweak that 22:16 < kanzure> a few millivolts in some carefully chosen regions of the brain maybe? 22:16 < kanzure> (or chemicals?) 22:17 < fenn> i'm surprised there aren't any street drugs specifically tailored for that effect 22:17 < fenn> at least none that i know of 22:17 < kanzure> i'm not up on my street :( 22:17 < fenn> seems most are based around escaping from reality 22:18 < kanzure> all the cool kids on my street just recite terrible poetry 22:21 < QuantumG> the "smart drug" craze died out after everyone discovered that they still had to attend classes to learn stuff. 22:21 < kanzure> nah, it's still going strong 22:22 < kanzure> fresh batch of college kids all the time 22:24 < jdugger> fenn: http://research.haifa.ac.il/~iipdm/iipdm_labs.htm 22:24 < jdugger> Pretty stale looking page, but that Israeli lab does eye-tracking. 22:27 < fenn> jdugger: yes i know what an eye tracker is 22:27 < fenn> the question is whether i can do it reliably with an electrooculogram 22:31 < jdugger> Apparently this Swiss group has that goal: http://www.wearable.ethz.ch/research/groups/context/eye_movements/ 22:31 < jdugger> Perhaps you've already seen their work. 22:32 < jdugger> There also exists US Patent 5422689 - Method and apparatus for eye tracking for convergence and strabismus measurement. 22:32 < kanzure> there are many methods 22:34 < QuantumG> if someone would spinoff and commercialize this research, already, I might care. 22:34 < fenn> no today is the first time i've heard of eog 22:35 < jdugger> googling also turned up an UK group with trackers for sale, but of the "call for price" kind. 22:35 < fenn> boo hiss 22:35 < fenn> it seems like a very straightforward circuit 22:35 < QuantumG> yep, if you have to ask you can't afford it 22:36 < kanzure> fenn: have you decided against the "strap a camera to your face" method for some reason? 22:36 < QuantumG> fenn: if you make one, can you put together an instructable? 22:36 < kanzure> ugh 22:36 < kanzure> nooo 22:38 < kanzure> how about an skdb package instead :/ 22:38 < kanzure> ya know.. progress? 22:39 < jdugger> :) 22:39 < jdugger> That's a good idea to consider during work. Time to go, good night everyone. 22:39 < QuantumG> can't you make some converter from skdb to an instructable? 22:39 < kanzure> yes, but not the other way around 22:39 < QuantumG> yep, have to do that manually :( 22:39 < fenn> kanzure: too socially obtrusive 22:39 < kanzure> OR just shoot to kill on sight 22:40 < fenn> actually i'm still considering it 22:40 < fenn> but the existing systems are all too big and clunky 22:40 < kanzure> i saw a photo of someone's setup once.. they were pretty tiny and unobtrusive imho 22:41 < kanzure> but he probably had lots of fancy eyeware equipment laying around 22:41 < fenn> the graffiti thing? 22:41 < kanzure> no, this is one of those photos that you see but can never track down 22:41 < kanzure> lemme pull it up 22:41 < fenn> um 22:41 < kanzure> the source of, i mean 22:42 < QuantumG> http://www.smarteye.se/page1714564.aspx email for price 22:42 < QuantumG> meh 22:42 < kanzure> it was something like this: http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/451/451115.jpg except below the glasses pointing up 22:42 < kanzure> also, is that toilet paper? 22:43 < kanzure> if you can find a small enough camera you could probably tape it to your nose 22:45 < fenn> ok that's enough engineering advice from you 22:45 < QuantumG> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lea-eyetracking/ 22:46 * kanzure goes back to screwing up fenn's skdb 22:57 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:57 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:57 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:58 < JayDugger> That works. 23:20 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-35-109.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:32 < ybit> i just don't think lightweight and java should be in the same sentence 23:32 < ybit> or acronym 23:32 < QuantumG> ya 23:33 < QuantumG> but if it works, someone could convert it to C and put it on a PIC 23:33 < ybit> unless it says something like Java Isn't Lightweight Loser 23:33 < ybit> true 23:44 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:48 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:49 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:53 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@26.sub-97-199-137.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:53 < jdugger> Much better ssh > irc both on my phone. 23:55 < ybit> jdugger: what phone? 23:55 < jdugger> a Droid. 23:56 < jdugger> Now I'll never accomplish anything at work. :)