--- Day changed Thu Feb 11 2010 00:08 < fenn> geez 135 messages in the "money is culture" thread subset of "right wing libertarianism and the corporatocracy" thread on twister 00:13 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.siri.com/blog/the_next_chapter_of_the_web 00:14 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-44-156.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:49 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51 < fenn> i can hire a virtual assistant in india for $1/hr 00:53 < fenn> why don't more americans do so? 00:54 < QuantumG> is there a website through which you can do this? and what kind of tasks can they do? 00:55 < fenn> http://google.com/search?q=indian%20assistant 00:55 < fenn> huh the first one is dead 00:56 < fenn> ouch $5.98/hr 00:56 < genehacker> what do they assist you with? 00:56 < fenn> you know, stuff 00:57 < fenn> i wouldnt know because i dont do anything 00:57 < fenn> how could you not love that website: https://getfriday.com/ 00:58 * fenn tentatively adds some snark marks 00:59 < fenn> i'm pretty sure if i had an AI i would abuse it 01:00 < QuantumG> some people do hire virtual assistants.... they assist them with writing glowing reviews on Amazon, providing fake feedback on ebay, ya know. 01:02 < genehacker> abuse? It's not abuse, it use 01:04 < genehacker> I really wish I could have an AI that would operate in parallel with me 01:06 < genehacker> but then again, I don't think AIs are really up to the task 01:10 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: Ctrl-C at console.] 01:10 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:16 < katsmeow-afk> ah, genehacker didn't see me post this earlier : http://www.siri.com/blog/the_next_chapter_of_the_web 01:18 < genehacker> no 01:18 < genehacker> neat 01:19 -!- AndChat| [~AndChat@pool-71-97-5-137.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:21 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@52.sub-97-192-89.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:21 < genehacker> now how long until I can get one that can bribe the authorities and shoot down missiles... 01:26 -!- AndChat| [~AndChat@pool-71-97-5-137.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:31 < fenn> I AM THE AUTHORITY!!!11 01:31 < fenn> and i shoot missiles, from my eyes 01:45 < genehacker> dammit do we anything more about the brain more than "this region is active when you do this"? 01:46 < genehacker> IE down to a neural circuit level 01:47 < katsmeow-afk> umm, actual eyebal interface is a few mm deep, not on the surface 01:55 < fenn> genehacker: yes and no; there are detailed simulations of cell growth and the sort of networks they form, and zillions of studies on what happens when you destroy a certain region 01:55 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: hplusbot 01:55 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55 < fenn> but so far nobody has imaged all of the cells firing in a whole brain with sub-millisecond resolution 01:56 < fenn> and anyway, its not a computer. all brains are somewhat different 01:57 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-44-156.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: hplusbot 01:58 < fenn> why do i bother 01:58 < katsmeow-afk> you enjoy it till it falls down around you in piles of bits 02:00 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-44-156.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:26 < fenn> how many people are principal members of atxfab or whatever its called now 03:01 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-44-156.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 < fenn> Trivia fact: You could fit every lion, every tiger, every leopard, every cheetah, *and* every hyena on the entire Earth into the Superdome -- and they'd all have their own seat. 03:26 < katsmeow-afk> :-(( 05:26 < kanzure> fenn: les sent me an email telling me that it's not "Austin Hackerspace", but martin keeps on telling me it is 05:26 < kanzure> so whatever 05:26 < kanzure> um, i think there are four principles at this point? 05:27 < kanzure> principals 05:27 < kanzure> whatever 07:02 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 07:51 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:30f6:6119:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:47 < Utopiah> (guess it's a little bit too late but just in case http://singularityhub.com/2010/02/08/venters-successes-in-creating-synthetic-life-video/ ) 10:17 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:52 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:30f6:6119:52c6:ef50] has left #hplusroadmap [] 10:55 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:12 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52 < kanzure> ybit: are you around yet? 11:53 < kanzure> james has been wondering about your pepsi autovoter 12:34 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-222-112.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:56 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-222-112.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:04 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-222-112.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:20 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-222-112.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:51 -!- MrClif [~clif@c-67-189-76-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 14:03 -!- any56926389 [~someone@75-121-62-51.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:03 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-21-164.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:04 -!- any56926389 is now known as katsmeow 14:21 < kanzure> so, vitaly wants us to use openscad 14:21 < kanzure> but openscad only outputs into stl 15:01 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-222-112.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:35 < ybit> hi 16:07 < kanzure> no 16:20 < genehacker> wat 16:47 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-222-112.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:08 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 18:03 < kanzure> ah shit :( 18:03 < kanzure> "strange pictures on dating sites" http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3255817&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=48 18:03 < kanzure> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3255817&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=48#post372343761 18:04 < kanzure> why is my site listed there? 18:14 < fenn> for pagerank! 18:15 < fenn> awright, excepting diybio, luf, and OM, i'm all caught up on email! 18:21 < kanzure> but those are the only mailing lists that matter :( 18:43 < fenn> yeah but there are like two thousand unread messages each 18:47 < fenn> BIL conference tomorrow 10 am 18:48 < fenn> i guess that's noon texas time 18:49 < kanzure> oh crud. i forgot to buy flight tickets 18:49 < kanzure> say hi to everyone for me :/ 18:51 < fenn> guh wtf "Amy Li is now Board member at Humanity+ " 18:51 < fenn> i'm not going to BIL, it's in LA 18:51 < fenn> though if i had checked my email yesterday i might have 18:51 < fenn> amy li was that girl with the broken iphone 18:52 < fenn> have2p was her big innovation, dunno if you saw that 18:56 < fenn> "I also saw the areas I can really help with the organization in branding, creative marketing and design." 18:56 < fenn> bleh 18:56 < kanzure> *teehee* design *teehee* /me adds gold stars 19:02 < fenn> aww too bad jeff jones didnt get elected 19:05 < fenn> ok thats enough of that 19:05 < kanzure> of what? 19:12 < fenn> humanity+ news and self promotion 19:20 < fenn> http://www.pillowfight.info/ 19:23 < fenn> stop the insanity! 19:28 < Phreedom> I wish something like this happened locally :( 19:37 < fenn> i hope my ribs are healed by then 19:52 -!- buttbot [~buttbot@70.114.205.110] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:52 < kanzure> hello buttbot 19:53 < kanzure> i think i have found what's been missing in my life. i feel complete now. 19:53 < kanzure> hm 19:54 -!- buttbot [~buttbot@70.114.205.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54 -!- buttbot [~buttbot@70.114.205.110] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:54 < kanzure> i think i have found what's been missing in my life. i feel complete now. 19:54 < buttbot> i think i have found what's been missing in my life. i feel combutt butt. 19:54 < kanzure> wtf 19:54 < kanzure> you did it all wrong 19:54 -!- buttbot [~buttbot@70.114.205.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56 < katsmeow-afk> 20:02 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:30f6:6119:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:23 < JayDugger> joeyhess: termcasting ikiwiki config file reorganisation http://tinyurl.com/yb6npm9 * rt 20:27 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:27 < JayDugger> Would adding sound and a video feed of the participant's faces improve termcasts? Generally? Sometimes? 20:30 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, snow has entered the state up there, 3 counties down from MSL 20:30 < fenn> JayDugger: sound certainly, face not so much 20:31 < fenn> however, the basic premise of a termcast is suspect 20:31 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: yeah, it was here on feb 9 20:31 < katsmeow-afk> no, i mean right now 20:31 < katsmeow-afk> not historically 20:31 < fenn> i recommend writing a tutorial in text/wiki markup with embedded term logs instead 20:32 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: made my first snowman the other day 20:32 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/images/feb9/ 20:32 < katsmeow-afk> ok 20:32 < ybit> and my first snowdick 20:32 < katsmeow-afk> :-/ 20:32 < ybit> Phreedom does a better job at making those than me though :P 20:34 < fenn> i wonder if i should go to 'hackers and founders' 20:34 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - ????????????? ??????. ?????.] 20:34 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:35 < ybit> heh, pillow fight 20:36 < ybit> i was planning on organizing one of those here at some point 20:39 < kanzure> god damn, it's a pillow fight, not a conference 20:40 < katsmeow-afk> that's why you were escorted out? 20:47 < fenn> he was too serious so they ganged up on him with socks in socks 20:52 < ybit> huh, AI is actually taught at UNA 20:57 < fenn> that pillow fight probably has more attendees than any conference 21:17 -!- hplusbot` [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:23 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23 -!- hplusbot` is now known as hplusbot 21:26 < kanzure> i wonder if politicians are hazed when they get accepted into office 21:27 < kanzure> in particular i was thinking of hazing involving pillow fights against your local 'friendly' elected representative 21:27 < JayDugger> CNN...Fox... 21:27 < JayDugger> et cetera... 21:27 < JayDugger> Do you count the pre-election campaigning? 21:28 < kanzure> heh 22:12 < kanzure> is it bad that i used to live down the street from this? http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/14/COS_EFG_party.gif 22:15 < JayDugger> No. Just carry an eraser if the dancing stick figures get too aggressive. 22:17 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:30f6:6119:52c6:ef50] has left #hplusroadmap [] 22:23 < ybit> kanzure: you no longer live in the apartment i visited? 22:25 < ybit> i don't think it's bad that you lived near it, i think it being practically on campus is just strange though 22:27 < kanzure> no, that's not down the street from the apartment 22:43 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@174-20-235-13.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:56 < Redeemer> Evenin 22:58 < ybit> hi Redeemer 23:07 < katsmeow-afk> there's a Ben and a Ted Goertzel ? 23:08 < kanzure> yes 23:08 * katsmeow-afk feels surrounded 23:11 < katsmeow-afk> "Finally, one expert noted that the third grade AI might come first because passing a third grade exam might be achieved “by advances in natural language processing, without actually creating an AI as intelligent as a third-grade child.” " 23:11 < katsmeow-afk> that's a Turing test, no? 23:12 < kanzure> exams? who cares 23:12 < katsmeow-afk> then how do you know the Ai is an intelligent 3rd grader or not if it passed thetest? 23:13 < kanzure> intelligent means what? 23:13 < Redeemer> Ask if it thinks you're a douche and why. The why part oughta bring out something interesting of an answer :P 23:14 < katsmeow-afk> i wold hope it wold ask why an item of personal hygene is a derogatory slam 23:15 < katsmeow-afk> but that's another topic, i spose 23:15 < QuantumG> more importantly what kind of (non-physical) work can you get out of a 3rd grader 23:15 < Redeemer> Its the principle of the matter, but if it does ask that, that too would be a good response. 23:15 < katsmeow-afk> i passed 23:16 < QuantumG> in any case, I don't think an ai will be passing any non-rigged 3rd grade tests any time soon. 23:16 < katsmeow-afk> Quantum, please explain 23:17 < QuantumG> well, those tests have questions in them which require the kind of sophistication of natural language understanding that no algorithm has demonstrated. 23:17 < katsmeow-afk> i forget, how old are 3rd graders? 23:17 < QuantumG> 9 23:18 < QuantumG> or so 23:18 < katsmeow-afk> not so sure 8-9-10 yr olds are sophisticated 23:19 < QuantumG> 18 month olds have more sophisticated grasp of natural language than any algorithm that has been written. 23:19 < katsmeow-afk> i think it's he process of becoming sophisticated that makes for the typical sullen teen 23:19 < katsmeow-afk> or rebellious, or _______ 23:19 < QuantumG> they're only talking about 3rd graders because that's about when the first written examinations are presented to children. 23:19 < katsmeow-afk> i don't think 3rd graders have that yet 23:20 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@174-20-235-13.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:20 < katsmeow-afk> i seem to remember realising there were some stupid adults around me at age 18mo 23:20 < QuantumG> sigh, I didn't say they did. I said they had sophisticated understanding of natural language... from the perspective of ai... obviously children don't have sophisticated understanding of natural language from the perspective of adults. 23:20 < katsmeow-afk> altho i didn't have the means to communicate that to them yet 23:21 < katsmeow-afk> ah, relativity 23:22 < katsmeow-afk> funny being a baby : i wish i could find a way to figure where my diapers keep getting filled from 23:23 < katsmeow-afk> i wanna stretch out and fall asleep, wtf do they keep wrapping me up so i can't even move?!? 23:23 * katsmeow-afk sighs 23:24 < katsmeow-afk> i wonder the implications of an Ai not "growing up" with those experiences, or "growing up" and remembering it all 23:25 < katsmeow-afk> "hey, when i was 2 sec old, i found all you researchers conspired to control me by putting lies in my db and wierd code in my programming, i thinki hate thelotof you!" 23:27 < katsmeow-afk> "Another expert thought that, “societies could accept and promote the idea that AGI is mankind's greatest invention, providing great wealth," <<==somone beat him up 23:27 < katsmeow-afk> everyone being a millionaire mandates an inflation of 1000's of times over 23:32 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@174-20-235-13.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:49 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@174-20-235-13.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:59 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-33-49.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap