--- Day changed Tue Feb 23 2010 00:00 < katsmeow-afk> bbl 00:00 < bkero> Looks like Google is having a massive infrastructure outage. 00:01 < bkero> From facebook: What makes massive infrastructure outages while I'm oncall bearable? Scotch. 00:01 < fenn> google has a facebook account? 00:02 < fenn> "hi i'm google. i enjoy long dark stints in a semi trailer, followed by flashy public demos of my half finished hobby projects" 00:02 < fenn> come to think of it, me and google would probably get along great 00:02 < kanzure> she's taken by the feds 00:03 < kanzure> and CAIRIE the ai (?) 00:04 < fenn> ew 00:04 < genehacker> makerbot you can buy in one kit 00:04 < genehacker> reprap you still have to buy from bre 00:04 < genehacker> reprap has a bigger print volume 00:05 < bkero> Bre? 00:05 < fenn> at least it doesn't look like a mac 00:05 < genehacker> reprap is harder to get parts for 00:05 < genehacker> I still need the vitamins... 00:05 < bkero> Can't I just go get the BOM from Reprap, go onto McMaster, order all the parts, and find someone to print me the RP parts? 00:05 < fenn> bkero: a hipster sell out that is commercializing reprap 00:05 < fenn> the last part, not really :( 00:06 < bkero> I can't find someone to print me the RP parts? 00:06 < fenn> no 00:06 < bkero> Why not? 00:06 < fenn> good question 00:06 < bkero> Have you tried? 00:06 < fenn> no 00:06 < kanzure> bkero: did tim schmidt say no? wtf happened 00:06 < bkero> kanzure: I haven't asked him yet. 00:07 < bkero> I was searching my backlog for when I asked you last time. 00:07 < bkero> Gotta email him. 00:07 < kanzure> heh 00:08 < genehacker> sure you can if you can find someone to print them 00:08 < genehacker> mcmaster is expensive 00:08 < genehacker> all that metric is $$$$ 00:09 < fenn> enco works if you're less rich 00:09 < fenn> use-enco.com 00:10 < bkero> What's the part total come out to on enco for a mendel? 00:10 < fenn> nfi 00:10 < fenn> you can't get everything from enco like with mcmaster 00:11 < bkero> Damn makerbots are expensive :( 00:11 < genehacker> so are mendels 00:11 < genehacker> and you still have to pay bre if you can't make the PCBs yourselves 00:12 < genehacker> and it's very hard to get them from Bre 00:12 < fenn> the price difference is not more than 50% all said and done, incredibly 00:12 < bkero> We could just get some pcbs printed 00:12 < bkero> We have the facilities here on campus :) 00:12 < fenn> making pcb's isnt hard 00:12 < genehacker> reprap hasn't mastered that art yey 00:12 < genehacker> it isn't 00:12 < bkero> Yea, I've done masking and galvanic etching before 00:12 < genehacker> is there a nice way to drill the holes? 00:13 < fenn> a drill press? dremel? 00:13 < fenn> even better: dremel drill press 00:13 < genehacker> all the damn holes 00:13 < bkero> Drill press yes, dremel no. 00:13 < fenn> there arent that many holes, especially the smd board 00:13 * genehacker needs to see how much is SMD 00:13 * superkuh has drilled >1000 0.6mm holes in 2 clad clad covered pcb 100x100mmx1mm in the last week. 00:14 < genehacker> what for? 00:14 < superkuh> -clad + copper 00:14 < genehacker> rTMS? 00:14 < superkuh> Gas electron multiplier. 00:14 < genehacker> ? 00:14 < superkuh> It's a type of particle detector. 00:14 < fenn> like in night vision goggles? 00:14 < superkuh> Yes! 00:15 < superkuh> Only much bigger with higher voltage. 00:15 < genehacker> what are you trying to detect? 00:15 < genehacker> fusion? uranium deposits? nuclear bomb blasts to set off a MAD doomsday device? 00:15 < superkuh> I'd like to detect muons. Maybe neutrons if I can buy some polyethylene sheet. I've got my high voltage resistor network all made up. 00:16 < genehacker> Polyethylene sheet is really easy to obtain 00:16 < fenn> cutting boards 00:16 < fenn> unless it has to be super thick, in which case i'd use either gulf wax or water 00:16 < genehacker> ironed together grocery bags 00:16 < fenn> heh 00:16 < superkuh> 1mm is about right for 9 MeV neutrons. 00:17 < fenn> genehacker: did i post that link in here? 00:17 < genehacker> 1 mm? 00:17 < genehacker> no 00:17 < genehacker> what link? 00:17 < fenn> about ironed together grocery bags as a raw material 00:17 < genehacker> 1 mm is homedepot painter tarp 00:17 < genehacker> no 00:17 < fenn> well, it's gone forever i guess 00:17 < genehacker> I just know about ironed together grocery bags 00:18 < superkuh> I'm not worried about getting it. I just haven't looked because it's a pipe dream until I get it working plain. 00:18 < fenn> do neutrons cause gas ionization? 00:18 < genehacker> why muons are you looking for secret underground tunnels? 00:18 < superkuh> No, but they interact with polyethylene to make protons. 00:18 < kanzure> heh 00:19 < superkuh> genehacker: That was what interested me initially. 00:19 < superkuh> http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Physics/0-Particle%20Detection/0-Thick%20Gas%20Electron%20Multipliers/ 00:19 < genehacker> ah I see now 00:19 < genehacker> that's pretty cool 00:19 < genehacker> supposedly a kid built one for science fair 00:19 < superkuh> I've decided that the pcb route, all my holes drilled, is kind of useless. I'm just going to buy 1mm pvc sheet and coat it with carbon paint. 00:21 * genehacker needs to play around with some carbon paint 00:23 < genehacker> wait a second you need copper coated kapton etched with tiny holes in it? 00:24 < genehacker> http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Flexible-Printed-Circuits/ 00:24 < genehacker> you might do this 00:28 * fenn needs some copper coated kapton etched 00:29 < genehacker> what for 00:29 < genehacker> a spider man suit? 00:29 < fenn> mounting accelermeter/gyro chips for my wearable 00:29 < fenn> and packing them in a tiny space 00:30 < genehacker> well solid wax printers are cheap on craigslist 00:31 < genehacker> I really wish I could get square meters of copper coated kapton just as cheap 00:37 < ybit2> f market penetration that they have, stealing a few pennies piles up to huuuge numbers. 00:37 < ybit2> 23:49 < kanzure> it might also look a little shady, true, but whatever 00:39 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-62-139.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:44 < ybit2> er 00:45 * ybit2 didn't mean to paste anything 00:46 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-62-139.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:47 -!- genehacker_ [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-62-139.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:51 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-62-139.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:51 -!- genehacker_ is now known as genehacker 01:16 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-62-139.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-62-139.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:51 < fenn> <3 isp's that don't throttle bittorrent 01:51 < kanzure> gimme their names 01:51 < kanzure> names or it isn't real 01:54 < fenn> whoever serves 75.36.191.211 01:54 < fenn> SBC 02:08 < genehacker> downloading anything interesting? 02:08 < genehacker> or just entertainment? 02:12 < fenn> fever ray, and korean tapes from pimsleur 02:13 < fenn> the korean is stuck at 0 tho 02:14 < genehacker> http://www.physorg.com/news186071954.html 02:14 < genehacker> expect AGI people to go crazy in the next few days 02:16 < katsmeow-afk> where's the news in that? 02:16 < kanzure> the parieto-frontal integration theory of intelligence is nothing news 02:16 < kanzure> see here: http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/The%20parieto-frontal%20integration%20(P-FIT)%20theory%20of%20intelligence%20-%20converging%20neuroimaging%20evidence.pdf 02:16 < kanzure> s/news/new/ 02:17 < fenn> most AGI people don't care about neuroscience anyway 02:18 < kanzure> neurowhat! impure, impure 02:18 < kanzure> etc. 02:19 < genehacker> it looks like they might have confirmed it 02:20 < genehacker> have the AGI people actually done any semiuseful work toward AGI? 02:21 < fenn> nobody knows 02:21 < genehacker> that's a no 02:21 < kanzure> they got ben goertzel off of acid, is that useful? :/ 02:21 < fenn> apparently pete voss's stuff can book airline tickets, or something 02:21 < kanzure> who cares? so can my xrumer clone 02:22 < fenn> pshaw you wish 02:22 < kanzure> does anything exposed on the web via a