--- Day changed Wed Mar 03 2010 00:01 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:01 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:11 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:11 * katsmeow-afk has as lathe question of fenn, if he is around? 00:14 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:14 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:21 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:21 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:24 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:31 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:41 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:41 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:42 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@35.sub-97-25-123.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:25 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:32 < kanzure> " Professor Jonathan Rees conducted a study of redheads at Edinburgh University.He identified the"gene for red hair" the melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R), found on the 16th chromosome. He found that this single gene was responsible for red hair." 01:36 < QuantumG> awesome, now parents can at least screen for it 01:36 < QuantumG> but one day I hope there's a cure. 01:38 < kanzure> meh, i think it can be cute :) 01:38 < kanzure> "And kangaroo milk is a better antibiotic than penicillin." buh? 01:40 < kanzure> haha this almost seems racist: http://dnatribes.com/ (on the left hand side) 01:40 < kanzure> i have a strong urge to do a mock version of it 01:40 < kanzure> "what's your negrohood? super black, partly black, yer white foo" 01:45 < kanzure> more on MC1R: http://www.eclectica.org/v10n2/kanumalla.html 01:48 < kanzure> another "please don't patent the genome" blog post: http://onthecommons.org/content.php?id=567 01:53 < kanzure> huh? heat shock for gene therapy? http://www.cloningresources.com/research/New_method_exploits_ancient_mechanism_to_switch_genes_on_and_off_at_will.asp 01:53 < kanzure> "Warm glow. By exploiting a cell's heat shock response, scientists use transgenes to express green fluorescent protein exclusively in amphid sheath cells, a type of nervous system cell in C. elegans. These cells do not fluoresce until scientists raise the temperature to 34 degrees Celsius." 02:56 < fenn> re: face recognition.. i may get to do an fMRI in connection with a face recognition study at stanford (they're looking for something wrt depression) 02:57 < fenn> not sleeping increases serotonin for a long time? or just the 4 am giggles? 03:04 -!- wrldpc2_ [~benny@ool-44c566cb.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@ool-44c566cb.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19 < Utopiah> kanzure: on URI shortener evilness http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI?iseewhatyoudidthere 03:22 < Utopiah> also related http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2009/07/url-shorteners-and-semantics-of.html 03:25 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@ool-44c566cb.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:25 < fenn> marcin is polish; that blog is russian, and i don't think he's much of an artist based on the awful openoffice sketches 03:26 -!- wrldpc2_ [~benny@ool-44c566cb.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35 < fenn> i don't think i ever posted to diybio re downloadable immunity 03:40 < fenn> we are just now in 2010 discovering the gene for red hair?! 03:40 < ybit> damn the british 03:41 < fenn> i went to a pub with an irish guy today (pygamesf) 03:41 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, theoretical lathe question: it's easy to turn a 8x8x2 inch slab of steel into a 2inch thick universal joint cross? 03:41 < fenn> sure, get a plasma cutter 03:42 < fenn> how loose and crusty can it be? 03:42 < katsmeow-afk> loose and crusty? 03:42 < fenn> i'm thinking you could do the whole thing out of one piece of rectangular steel 03:42 < katsmeow-afk> solid steel? 03:42 < katsmeow-afk> umm, 8x8x2 IS rectangular 03:42 < fenn> i mean how not-precise are you talking about 03:43 < fenn> 8x8x2 is a square slab 03:43 < fenn> i mean a rectangular slab, like 12x8x2 03:43 < katsmeow-afk> not on edge :-P 03:43 < katsmeow-afk> so plasma cut ti to a + shape, then chuck it in a lathe to make the round bearing surfaces 03:43 < katsmeow-afk> right? 03:44 < fenn> yeah i guess 03:44 < katsmeow-afk> ok 03:44 < ybit> hrm, the contents of ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/pub/TraceDB/Personal_Genomics/ is 44GB 03:44 < ybit> just finished wgetting 03:45 < fenn> after cutting out the cross from the middle you'd have two "u" shapes left over, like: <+> 03:45 < katsmeow-afk> not from 8x8x2 03:45 < fenn> those can be the parts that grab the spider, but you need some kind of pin to assemble it together 03:45 < fenn> right not from 8x8x2, but from 12x8x2 03:46 < fenn> i don't remember what you're trying to do though 03:46 < fenn> something about a catamaran spar 03:47 < katsmeow-afk> ok :-) 03:52 < Utopiah> http://www.ebookshare.net/science/Human-Genetics-Edition-2010-Retail-Ebook-ATTiCA-8493.html 03:55 < Utopiah> http://futurity.alltop.com/ thanks to http://futurity.org/ 06:03 < kanzure> i have now successfully physically infiltrated cchs 06:04 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/printing_organs.jpg 06:05 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@ool-44c566cb.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@ool-44c566cb.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:05 < kanzure> fenn: just remember to demand they put the results on a memory stick for you 06:07 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 06:12 < Utopiah> regarding time and activity tracking http://www.rescuetime.com/ 06:13 -!- drazak [~drazak@ip-69-162-134-185.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:14 -!- drazak [~drazak@ip-69-162-134-185.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:15 < kanzure> ew looks like it forces you to do things 06:18 < kanzure> wtf why is eliezer posting to fanfiction.net about "vernor vinge x. greg egan"? http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5389450/1/The_Finale_of_the_Ultimate_Meta_Mega_Crossover 06:20 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:24 < kanzure> hah he writes haruhi suzumiya fanfic 06:24 < kanzure> "In their third and final year at North High, Kyon confronts the implications of the Riddle of Epicurus for his relationship with Haruhi." 06:24 < kanzure> er, or something 06:57 -!- klafka [~klafka@rrcs-24-213-155-110.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@rrcs-24-213-155-110.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:45 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.165] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:47 -!- Noahj [~noah@216.41.93.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- Semikolon [~Semikolon@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:32 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: bkero, katsmeow-afk 08:36 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-39-106.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- Noahj [~noah@216.41.93.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:48 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:02 -!- Noahj [~noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:17 -!- Noahj [~noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34 -!- Noahj [~noah@static-155-212-177-51.ri.onecommunications.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- Noahj [~noah@static-155-212-177-51.ri.onecommunications.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:04 -!- Noahj [~noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:53 -!- nsh [sbp@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:55 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:18 < kanzure> universal transhumanist bibliography http://www.transumanisti.it/8.asp 11:22 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:24 < kanzure> simple craft version: http://orbitingfrog.com/blog/2008/07/02/make-your-own-spectrometer/ 11:26 -!- Semikolon [~Semikolon@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:28 < fenn> huh. dumbass fenn finally figured out how to search by location: http://www.meetup.com/cities/us/ca/menlo_park/events/ 11:31 < fenn> hah "GPS Dating for the Lost and misguided" 11:37 -!- chupacabra [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:11 < nsh> does anyone know where to get the little audio devices used in novelty christmas-cards, etc. ? 12:11 < nsh> something you can program with a short audio clip and attach to a microswitch and power supply 12:15 < fenn> from christmas cards? 12:15 * fenn wonders if this is a test 12:16 < Noahj> You could just get an ATTiny of some sort 12:20 < nsh> i'm not sure if the ones in cards are reprogrammable 12:20 < nsh> i'd suspect not 12:21 < Noahj> The ones in cards have a gob of epoxy on 12:21 < Noahj> So I suspect they are 12:21 < Noahj> But maybe that's just an extra superfluous safety measure 12:22 < nsh> hmm 12:23 < nsh> this site seems to do them: http://sotemics.com/index.html 12:23 < nsh> it's not for anything important, i just wanted to make one of those 'most useless machine in the world' boxes, with a comedy sound effect 12:23 < nsh> because that's about the level of productivity i aspire to 12:24 < nsh> (though that site seems to be bulk-orientated) 12:25 < fenn> the epoxy is just cheaper i think 12:25 < fenn> not to prevent you from using it 12:26 < fenn> a lot of hallmark cards are designed to be reprogrammable anyway, so you can say 'happy christmas grandma!' o whatever 12:26 < nsh> hmm 12:26 < nsh> http://store.voice-express.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=All+our+Voice+Products 12:26 < nsh> can probably find cheaper 12:26 < nsh> don't look as small as i'd have thought though 12:26 < fenn> there was 'how to hack the staples "easy" button' floating around the net a while ago 12:27 < nsh> cool, i'll look 12:28 < nsh> fuck, that's huge 12:29 < nsh> hmm 12:30 < fenn> Southbay's Pan-Asian Meetup (SPAM) 12:30 < fenn> nsh: that's sort of the point 12:30 < fenn> not my fault you don't have the "big red button" fetish 12:30 * nsh smiles 12:34 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatherium_Club "The club was named for the Megatherium, an extinct species of giant sloth. Members greeted one another with its imagined call of "How, How!"" 12:51 < fenn> "backyard brains" at hackerdojo http://www.meetup.com/DIYbio/calendar/12641184/ 12:52 < fenn> now why the fuck didnt i get a random email from meetup about this 12:53 -!- majma [~nihilus@c-24-3-236-53.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:00 < fenn> http://www.backyardbrains.com/default.aspx 13:02 < kanzure> fenn: you might like this: http://dml.cmnh.org/ 13:02 < kanzure> btw backyardbrains.com sent an email to diybio a while back 13:05 < kanzure> er, that last link was to "dinosaur mailing list" 13:05 * kanzure didn't mean to violate his "don't paste linkies without descriptions" 13:08 < kanzure> stalk: leroy hood 13:08 < fenn> i, uh, liked dinosaurs when i was 10? 13:08 < kanzure> something about "Predictive, Preventive, Personalized, and Participatory" 13:09 < kanzure> oh, i thought it was an on-going obsession 13:09 < fenn> no 13:09 < fenn> are you subscribed to pokemon mailing lists? 13:09 < kanzure> not exactly: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/pokemon_forums.txt 13:11 < fenn> see i just dont have time to systematically pursue stuff like that 13:12 < kanzure> pfft it's all those meetup parties 13:14 < fenn> it's called "fun supplement therapy" 13:14 < kanzure> why not just take a placebo 13:14 < fenn> placebo's are bullshit 13:14 < fenn> why not just take bullshit? 13:15 < kanzure> well, ideally, you want the placebo effect without the placebo, right? 13:15 < fenn> some people like incense. i think it's nice if you can just barely smell it, but too much is overpowering and sends me fleeing 13:15 < fenn> coincidentally incense is made of cow dung 13:15 < kanzure> why are you suddenly talking about incense 13:16 < fenn> :3 13:16 < katsmeow-afk> "cow dung" is not in the ingredient list of any inscense i have 13:16 < kanzure> "It has also been reported of subjects given placebos in a trial of anti-depressants, that “Once the trial was over and the patients who had been given placebos were told as much, they quickly deteriorated.”" ha, ha 13:17 < kanzure> "The placebo effect can work selectively. If an analgesic placebo cream is applied on one hand, it will reduce pain only in that hand and not elsewhere on the body[61] If a person is given a placebo under one name, and they respond, they will respond in the same way on a later occasion to that placebo under that name but not if under another.[" 13:17 < kanzure> hm 13:20 < fenn> i LOVE the picture on this page! http://www.careforcows.org/news/cow_dung_incense 13:23 < fenn> ok so incense is not dung, 99.9% of the time 13:24 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@ool-44c566cb.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc2] 13:31 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:32 < kanzure> oh. the argument by exhaustion is ad nauseum. i should have remembered that 13:37 < genehacker> so I hear you're a friend of Sebastian kanzure 13:38 < genehacker> SKDB's mentioned in the reprap wiki 13:38 < kanzure> i put it there probably 13:39 < genehacker> nope 13:39 < kanzure> link? 13:40 < genehacker> looks like it was sebastian 13:40 < genehacker> on his team's page 13:40 < genehacker> http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/RBS 13:47 < fenn> what's with all these computer programs that make me hit 'save' 13:47 < fenn> that's the computer's job! 13:52 < kanzure> cool, "grandma bishop" is volunteering at makerfaire detroit 2010 13:53 -!- Noahj1 [~noah@static-155-212-177-51.ri.onecommunications.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:54 < katsmeow-afk> [13:53] Tiggr, why do you need a human genome? 13:54 < katsmeow-afk> [13:53] sorry katsmeow, I don't know. 13:54 < katsmeow-afk> [13:53] me either, i think i'll delete those files 13:55 < kanzure> :( 13:55 < katsmeow-afk> what? i need those? 13:56 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:56 -!- Noahj [~noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:57 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:58 -!- Noahj1 [~noah@static-155-212-177-51.ri.onecommunications.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:02 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:03 < fenn> no, but maybe tiggr does 14:06 < katsmeow-afk> if she wants a baby, it wil haveto be of her own type: electronics and mechanicals 14:06 < fenn> bigot 14:08 < katsmeow-afk> sorry, i just prefer the being with better memory and longevity, and wider tolerance for environmental variables 14:08 < katsmeow-afk> nothing personal 14:09 < kanzure> 14:09 < faceface> De novo fragment assembly with short mate-paired reads: Does the read length matter? 14:09 < kanzure> 14:09 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19056694 14:12 < kanzure> haha i think people are starting to pick up my "jeebus" 14:13 < katsmeow-afk> your's? 14:13 < kanzure> well i'm the only one i know who says that 14:13 < katsmeow-afk> oh, i use it occasionaly, tho i tend to use "dog" 14:14 < katsmeow-afk> From: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/DyeHard/human-values-determined-intelligence-study-claims/print?id=9992160 14:14 < katsmeow-afk> Downloaded: 2010/03/03 07:07 14:14 < katsmeow-afk> Does High IQ Trump God? 14:14 < katsmeow-afk> enjoy :-) 14:52 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@dhcp-18-111-65-75.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:53 < kanzure> hey hundred-ideas 14:53 < kanzure> sorry i haven't replied to your email yet 14:53 < kanzure> though the discussion yesterday in here was a good precursor 14:53 < Utopiah> (deja-vu moment) 14:56 < hundred-ideas> have you seen http://www.inventiondb.com/ 14:57 < kanzure> looks like a blogging platform 14:57 < kanzure> no 14:57 < kanzure> it's probably http://www.openprojectdb.org/ 14:58 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: you're going to think i am being rude, but i am not, and am asking this question with zero emotion: what's the point? 14:58 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-144-142-176.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:59 < hundred-ideas> I'm not sure, I'm exploring it now. I was expecting procedural construction instructions associated with each project, but I don't see them 15:06 -!- nsh_ [sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:07 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:08 < ybit> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Social%20network%20size%20in%20humans.pdf 15:09 < kanzure> social network size in autism: 0 15:09 < kanzure> bwahah 15:09 < ybit> the study which recently came out seems to be verifying this study 15:09 < ybit> so you aren't autistic? :P 15:11 < Utopiah> (heavy silence) 15:12 < kanzure> "i'm not crazy, just retarded!" 15:14 < Utopiah> (without pdf https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number ) 15:16 < kanzure> Utopiah: or you can see our discussion of it here: http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/tree/browse_frm/thread/da6ee0594580dc1f/868fb2a20a135fb9?rnum=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiytranshumanist%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fda6ee0594580dc1f%3F#doc_67554cc357a54286 15:16 < kanzure> hm not much was discussed there though 15:17 * Utopiah clicks 15:28 < Utopiah> so how did you improve the situation since, beside the nice graphics you post a week or two ago 15:28 < kanzure> what are you asking? 15:30 < Utopiah> in the post you are complaining about a growing amount of posts you can't handle and using tools to lower the efforts required for you to manage those, it was more than 6month ago so I supposed you found solutions since then 15:31 < kanzure> i have a "pilot" project that i have been running 15:31 < kanzure> meetlog.txt is part of it, and that's where the graphs are from 15:31 < kanzure> i've only recently (last month or so) started adding tags to what i talk about with each person 15:31 < kanzure> so presumably i can use this in the near future to get a tag cloud going for each person and their conversations with me 15:32 < Utopiah> yep,thought about that, generate tag cloud per person based on converastion logs (ideally generate them periodically to see an evolution over time) 15:32 < kanzure> well, the reason i was going to do that was so that i could pipe in content to each person 15:32 < kanzure> based off of their previous tag clouds 15:32 < kanzure> btw it's kinda a "weighted" tag cloud 15:33 < kanzure> because tags come up each day or in each conversation 15:33 < kanzure> so if you talk about "diybio" every time i talk with you, that gets a lot of weight 15:33 < kanzure> but "jedi master" might be only weighted relatively low ;) --- Log closed Wed Mar 03 15:39:18 2010 --- Log opened Wed Mar 03 15:41:31 2010 15:41 -!- kanzure [bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:41 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 39 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 39 normal] 15:41 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 1 secs 15:58 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:00 < kanzure> fenn: mukund says that the ethernet "fell out" 16:08 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:12 -!- thesnark [~michael@adsl-69-214-158-18.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:12 < kanzure> hey thesnark 16:12 * kanzure is playing around with http://code.google.com/p/python-spidermonkey/ 16:14 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:15 < thesnark> hey kanzure :D 16:18 < kanzure> hey wut? 16:18 < kanzure> hm 16:18 < kanzure> rhino3d has a python plugin? http://2e5.com/kite/parametric/ 16:19 < hundred-ideas> hey kanzure, I enjoyed reading about your information overload thoughts http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/tree/browse_frm/thread/da6ee0594580dc1f/868fb2a20a135fb9?rnum=1&_done=/group/diytranshumanist/browse_frm/thread/da6ee0594580dc1f%3F#doc_67554cc357a54286 16:19 < kanzure> heh 16:20 < hundred-ideas> 1. because you are consuming and producing an order of magnitude more email than I am, which is crazy, and 2. because I get a kick out of these exocortex networking schemes 16:20 < kanzure> i have been making a prototype website called "1kfriend.ly" where people sign up to be able to communicate with 1k+ people at a time 16:20 < kanzure> politicians are already sending out hundreds of thousands of emails to their constituents.. but the emails aren't personalized and it's more like spam 16:21 < hundred-ideas> how would you design a system that expected symmetric conversation sizes? 16:22 < kanzure> symmetric? 16:22 < thesnark> holy fuck 16:22 < thesnark> that sounds like fun to me 16:22 < hundred-ideas> like, if you and I and our 2000 friends all used the same system to automate our communication, we would just have robots talking to eachother 16:22 < kanzure> also, have you seen this? it's a log of how many people i talk with daily: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2010-01-01_to_2010-02-25.png 16:22 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: ah, i see what you mean 16:22 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: well, actually, your responses aren't automated in this system (yet) 16:22 < kanzure> i'm still expecting to read the topics and emails and so on 16:23 < kanzure> but for those sort of "once a month big updates" 16:23 < hundred-ideas> oh oh I see 16:23 < kanzure> i.e.: spend your time communicating personally at the edges, everything else is bulk 16:23 < hundred-ideas> how do you curate your meetlog graph? 16:24 < kanzure> right now it's mostly manual 16:24 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt 16:24 < hundred-ideas> and is it unique people? 16:24 < kanzure> that's where the data is that is turned into the graph 16:24 < kanzure> yeah 16:24 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:24 < hundred-ideas> oh, unique people per day 16:25 < hundred-ideas> so if you met the same 10 people every day for a week 16:25 < kanzure> each day would say "10 people" 16:26 < thesnark> kanzure please write a publish a coherent statement of this idea so I can get more excited about it 16:26 < thesnark> write and publish* 16:26 < hundred-ideas> I would use this. cool. 16:26 < kanzure> :) 16:27 < kanzure> yeah that's why i have the pilot project :) 16:27 < kanzure> i wanted to see if it would be useful for myself 16:27 < kanzure> and so far the data is interesting 16:27 < kanzure> and i see those weekly spikes in the data 16:27 < hundred-ideas> it's interesting that just reading your person+tag list gives me gestalt understanding of your intentions 16:27 < kanzure> er wait, is this good or bad 16:27 * thesnark looks up, sees mail message, blushes 16:27 < hundred-ideas> well, maybe you bias the comprehensiveness of your data entry day-to-day 16:28 < kanzure> that's possible 16:28 < kanzure> and probably likely 16:28 < hundred-ideas> esp. w/ knowledge-of 16:28 < kanzure> yeah, some times i am more receptive to learning about new people 16:28 < kanzure> other days i just kind of forget that i should be watching out for those crafty people seeping into my life 16:29 < fenn> there's a systematic bias towards considering a day as a single unit 16:29 < kanzure> that's true too 16:29 < kanzure> i need to break it down into individual conversations at a certain day and time 16:29 < kanzure> so instead of by day, it should be just a list of conversations or interactions 16:29 < kanzure> plus a time stamp or time interval stamp 16:30 < hundred-ideas> Hey fenn, do you just have a muscle-memory routine at this point for logging your activity? 16:30 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: maybe you could index the timestamp to the irc channel logs, too. and other streams of data; email, etc 16:30 < kanzure> right 16:31 < kanzure> yeah, i have chat logs from all the way back to 2004 16:31 < kanzure> and email back to 2005 16:31 < fenn> hundred-ideas: it's called "GNU screen" 16:32 < fenn> ctrl-a 0 enter 1234 5678 blah foo, bar 16:32 < kanzure> enter? 16:32 < fenn> so i'm on a new line 16:33 < fenn> though i do look first, to make sure i'm not typing in the middle of a line 16:33 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 16:33 < hundred-ideas> but you have that gnu-screen interface to your log persistently available. What I'm really getting at is that you are able to bridge all the time you are away from your computer. 16:33 < kanzure> heh 0-day journalz 16:33 < kanzure> nerdiest thing ever :) 16:34 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: how often do you *not* have a computer on you? even your phone 16:34 < fenn> hundred-ideas: i dont see what that has to do with muscle memory 16:34 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: re: chatbots talking to themselves. an old idea i had way-back-when was "filterbots" or "avatars" that would meet and greet people for you and see if they are worth talking with at all 16:35 < fenn> i'd use a smartphone if i weren't broke and didn't have a wearable project to sap energy from 16:35 < kanzure> if they ust spam you with bullshit, they don't get through 16:35 < kanzure> s/ust/just/ 16:35 < fenn> kanzure: what if they realize the bot is bullshit and ascribe that to you? 16:35 < fenn> i think those would be the people you most want to talk to 16:35 < kanzure> heh 16:35 < Utopiah> turing-test handshake 16:35 < kanzure> Utopiah: yeah 16:35 < hundred-ideas> fenn: do you have any interaction design comments about your logging system? Any wishes for it that might make it better? 16:35 < kanzure> but with weighted tags and such 16:36 < fenn> hundred-ideas: i need to make some kind of scrolly highlighting ajax thing 16:36 < kanzure> also PGP signed introductions from one person to another would be neat 16:36 < kanzure> "yes this person did in fact want to introduce me to you" 16:36 < fenn> hundred-ideas: that's just for viewing the data tho.. data entry is close to ideal for my purposes 16:36 < hundred-ideas> fenn: I'm going to a quantified self meetup tonight and I'm going to bring up activity and social network logging 16:36 < fenn> uh.. tonight? 16:37 < kanzure> it's not in your area, fenn 16:37 < hundred-ideas> fenn: yeah, 20 min 16:37 < fenn> gah 16:37 < hundred-ideas> http://www.meetup.com/bostonQS/ 16:37 < fenn> is this something i'm supposed to know about? 16:37 < fenn> oh, ok heh 16:38 < fenn> calcurse died yesterday and took my schedule down with it 16:38 < fenn> i think i'm going to either rewrite the whole thing in python or fix the guy's code 16:38 < fenn> (actually calcurse didn't die, i ran out of battery juice) 16:38 < Utopiah> hundred-ideas: you might find http://aggregationconversation.com/?page_id=7 http://tarpipe.com/developers/guide/ http://ping.fm/ http://pixelpipe.com/ useful for thoe questions 16:39 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: attention profiling markup language http://apml.areyoupayingattention.com/ 16:39 < hundred-ideas> haha 16:40 < fenn> hundred-ideas: do you know the nublabs/sprouts people? 16:40 < kanzure> yes 16:40 < kanzure> there was a video of hundred-ideas being chummy with alec 16:41 < fenn> oh this is mac 16:41 < hundred-ideas> hundred-ideas == mac cowell 16:41 < kanzure> hah 16:41 < hundred-ideas> true 16:42 < hundred-ideas> fenn: in fact, I am setting up a wetlab space there 16:42 < fenn> did they acquire the elementary school? 16:42 < hundred-ideas> but I have to go now. I "snuck" into the new media lab at MIT and have been working here. need 20 min to get back to davis sq. 16:42 < fenn> all i have is a satellite photo 16:43 < fenn> just curious 16:43 < fenn> have fun 16:43 < hundred-ideas> fenn: no, but they did get a strategically-located commercially-zoned 2-floor space 16:43 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@dhcp-18-111-65-75.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 16:44 < Noahj> The new media lab is very pretty and filled with glass 16:44 < Noahj> It's all the same labs the old one was, though 16:45 < fenn> kanzure: nice application of "tact" earlier :) 16:45 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-86.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47 < fenn> damn japanese lesson making me hungry 16:49 < Noahj> Happy whatever Japanese holiday it is today 16:49 < Noahj> Hanamatsuri 16:50 -!- Semikolon [~Semikolon@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:50 < kanzure> fenn: where? what tact 16:51 < fenn> 14:58 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: you're going to think i am being rude, but i am not, and am asking this question with zero emotion: what's the point? 16:52 < kanzure> so 300 characters of padding, 20 characters of actual relevance 16:52 < kanzure> oh goodie.. 16:52 < fenn> maybe you could automate it 16:52 < Noahj> Yeah, there's probably a compression algorithm for tact 16:53 < kanzure> fenn: maybe i'll add a macro to irssi? /say-with-tact you suck 16:53 < kanzure> /tact you suck 16:53 < kanzure> there we go 16:53 < fenn> excellent 16:54 < kanzure> i'll make billions 16:54 < fenn> there was a pretty good essay on automated outgoing email checker, as a sort of "flame diffuser" 16:55 < fenn> scroll to bottom; read dialog boxes: http://bikeshed.com/ 16:56 < fenn> especially that last one 16:59 < fenn> kanzure: reading diytranshumanist post mac mentioned.. you could use supermemo to help you remember who the hell all these people are 17:00 < fenn> i'm on a bit of a supermemo kick right now 17:02 < kanzure> the COFES/ genetic programming guy from yesterday was a surprise connection 17:02 < kanzure> "oh this is an interesting fellow.. i wonder what else he does. *oh* he's the one that mike koch was trying to talk into letting me speak about skdb at the COFES conference" 17:03 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:03 < fenn> i should probably take my own advice, i'm terrible with names 17:04 < fenn> should i subscribe to diytranshumanist? (god, not another mailing list) 17:05 < kanzure> i'm not sure 17:06 < kanzure> so far the content has been from me, which is the same as the content in here and on diybio 17:06 -!- thesnark [~michael@adsl-69-214-158-18.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:06 < kanzure> with no discussion from any of the other 89 subscribers 17:08 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't subscribe, so you won't tire of me :-) 17:09 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-6-173.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:16 < fenn> are there chemicals/drugs which boost self confidence? as a primary effect, not side effect 17:16 < fenn> probably a hormone of some sort 17:16 * fenn guesses testosterone 17:16 < kanzure> adderall? 17:17 < kanzure> i guess it boosts ego more than anything 17:17 < katsmeow-afk> 7-keto dhea , i spose 17:17 < kanzure> which isn't necessarily the same thing 17:17 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:18 < fenn> katsmeow-afk: thank you, i forgot about dhea 17:19 < fenn> hah 17:19 < fenn> "In practice, there is currently no scientific reason to prescribe DHEA for any purpose whatsoever." 17:19 < fenn> sure sign of collusion 17:20 < katsmeow-afk> i find it gives me physical energy, unlike caffine, and makes my hair grow incredibly fast 17:21 < katsmeow-afk> i hope it doesn't wear out 17:21 < Utopiah> http://www.n2yo.com/ sats "tracking" mashup 17:23 < fenn> would rather have a plugin for google sky 17:24 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:24 < fenn> "sky map" for android that is 17:26 < kanzure> thesnark: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf 17:28 < fenn> you need a bullshitter to go over that 17:28 < kanzure> am i not bullshitting enough? 17:28 < thesnark> what are protons and electrons in this case? 17:28 < fenn> right 17:28 < kanzure> i was thinking of frequency 17:28 < fenn> i think there's something to be said for the supermemo spaced repetition concept 17:28 < kanzure> i.e. frequency of contact and how energetic they are 17:29 < kanzure> fenn: the problem with supermemo is that if you overload on entries, you'll find yourself spending 14 hours per day going through everything 17:29 < fenn> because basically what you're doing is training people to remember who you are 17:29 < kanzure> hah 17:30 < fenn> so it's not some thing you sit down to do like a zen monk.. it's like, "your graduate advisor hasnt heard from you in 2 years" 17:30 < kanzure> right 17:30 < kanzure> yeah that's true 17:31 < kanzure> heh your graduate advisor is a 1 contact per 2 years person, so that's what, 1/2 Hz? :P 17:32 < fenn> damn xkcd and its non-searchable text 17:33 < fenn> http://xkcd.com/672/ 17:34 < kanzure> heh 17:36 < fenn> 16 nanohertz :P 17:37 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.165] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:20 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:47 < JayDugger> I get to sleep and trade stupid dreams for missing an interesting discussion. 18:47 < JayDugger> thesnark: Read up on MDMA's effects in a reliable source, like the ACS /The Chemistry of Mind-Altering Drugs./ 18:48 < JayDugger> Standard disclaimer: I do not recommend any action that might break laws of the jurisdictions where you live. 18:49 < thesnark> JayDugger are you talking to the right person? What was that in regards to? 18:49 < JayDugger> No, sorry. pre-coffee. 18:49 < JayDugger> That should have been fenn and his question about confidence enhancing drugs. 18:50 < JayDugger> kanzure, fenn's spaced repetition concept does apply to some extent, but I doubt the intervals match. 18:52 < JayDugger> I suspect emphasis matters more with humans. The kind of contact matters too. 18:53 < JayDugger> A sincere written thank-you note works wonders for cementing you in someone's memory. 18:54 < JayDugger> It works on me, anyhow. 18:55 < JayDugger> People also tend to react positively toward someone they have not seen in a long time. 18:55 < JayDugger> I don't know of any research done on homecomings, so you're on your own there. 18:56 -!- avicenna [~avicenna@CPE001f5b002fd7-CM00407b859474.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:57 < JayDugger> I don't think Google Sky for Android has real-time satellites. 18:59 < JayDugger> Anyone know a list of Wolfram|Alpha output formats? 19:01 < parolang`> Real-time satellites? :) 19:01 < JayDugger> http://www.n2yo.com/ 19:01 < parolang`> Not everytime one makes a course correction :) 19:01 < JayDugger> Well, no. 19:01 < parolang`> Otherwise, you just need the orbital elements. 19:02 < JayDugger> Though there is interesting work on "space traffic control," so to speak. 19:02 < parolang`> Neat site. 19:03 < JayDugger> Quite, yes. 19:03 < parolang`> It always surprises me how fast those things go :) 19:03 < JayDugger> There exists a KML file that does much the same thing, but I don't know how old it is. 19:03 < JayDugger> Yeah, falling fast enough to keep missing the planet. 19:04 < parolang`> Pretty much. Ever seen one in the sky? 19:04 < parolang`> The way I identify one is if it disappears or fades out when it crosses the earth's shadow. 19:04 < JayDugger> Nah. I live in cities, mostly, and work third shift, mostly. 19:04 < parolang`> Of course...could be a meteor. 19:05 < parolang`> Yeah...I haven't done much sky gazing since I moved to OH. 19:05 < parolang`> Way too much light pollution. 19:05 < JayDugger> When I've lived outside light pollution, the extent of my stargazing was "That's the Milky Way!" or "That's Hale-Bopp!" 19:05 < parolang`> hale-bop? 19:06 < JayDugger> The latter was a special case. I got to see that comet while deployed overseas in the military. 19:06 < JayDugger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Hale-Bopp 19:07 < JayDugger> Even then, I only looked at through a video camera. 19:08 < parolang`> oh...right, forgot about that one :) 19:08 < JayDugger> Yeah, Google Sky Maps lacks a satellite layer. 19:08 < JayDugger> It did happen 13 years ago. 19:08 < parolang`> I just ran outside...that map shows the ISS (I think) straight overhead in OH...didn't see it though. 19:08 < parolang`> Should have been near zenith. 19:08 < parolang`> I probably missed it. 19:09 < parolang`> The ISS is supposed to be very bright anymore with the recent additions/solar array. 19:09 < parolang`> Haven't seen it though. Mars is pretty bright...even in OH near Toledo. 19:09 < JayDugger> Yeah. I wonder whether the radiators reflect more light than the solar panels. 19:09 < JayDugger> http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/photosynth/index.html 19:10 < parolang`> I can somewhat find my way in the sky. Can identify Venus, Jupiter, Mars, major constellations...but after that, not much. 19:10 < JayDugger> If you've a windows box, then you can see the high resolution overlapping photographs of ISS, Hubble, and others there. 19:10 < parolang`> GNU/Linux only here :) 19:11 < JayDugger> On Linux, FF with the Moonlight extension might work. YMMV, fails for me. 19:11 < parolang`> Well...I'll see how common silverlight is before I do that. 19:11 < JayDugger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Photosynth 19:11 < parolang`> This is the first time someone has linked me to a silverlight animation. 19:12 < JayDugger> You're the first person who's mentioned ISS in #hplusroadmap. :) 19:12 < parolang`> heh :) 19:13 < JayDugger> Apparently it will work on an iPhone as well: iSynth or Seadragon Mobile, if that helps. 19:13 < parolang`> I haven't owned a windows box in years. I still use it now and then on other people's computers though--not going back :) 19:13 < JayDugger> I wish I could totally drop it. 19:14 < parolang`> What's holding you back? 19:14 < JayDugger> "My employer," the classic excuse, which translates to "My laziness." 19:15 < parolang`> How is that lazy? 19:15 < parolang`> It surprises me how many Mac users are on #emacs :) 19:16 < parolang`> I always thought Mac users are GUI GUI people...maybe it's changing :) 19:17 < parolang`> Anyway...gotta keep configuring my system. Gets tiring sometimes. 19:18 < JayDugger> I am too lazy to find a new employer. I am too lazy to find alternatives to the ease of keeping a Windows box. 19:18 < JayDugger> I am too lazy to set up and maintain virtual Windows boxes. 19:19 < parolang`> I think that work is more important than software, strangely enough :D 19:20 < parolang`> Not everyone has enough leverage to be able to find a new employer just because they don't like the OS their current one uses :) 19:20 < JayDugger> It is a minor complaint yes. 19:22 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:32 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-162-175-34.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:36 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:46 < JayDugger> Looks as if WAlpha exports GIFs, PDFs, and Mathematica Notebooks. 19:48 < klafka> hmm 19:48 < klafka> what does it export? 19:48 < kanzure> wolfram alpha 19:50 -!- root_ [~root@bas1-barrie18-1242379388.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50 -!- root_ [~root@bas1-barrie18-1242379388.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:54 < JayDugger> CSV or Excel would help me more. 19:57 -!- root_ [~root@bas1-barrie18-1242379388.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:08 -!- root_ [~root@bas1-barrie18-1242379388.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:14 -!- root_ [~root@bas1-barrie18-1242379388.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:15 < JayDugger> fenn, Do you track your food intake beyond your time charts? 20:16 < JayDugger> fenn, Do you track your use of SuperMemo in the time charts you keep? 20:16 < JayDugger> fenn, If you answer these in the QS video, just point me at it. :) 20:29 < ybit> JayDugger: nope, i don't think it's in the video either 20:30 < JayDugger> "No," as in which questions? 20:31 < kanzure> yes his food intake is in the data 20:31 < kanzure> yes his time using different programs is in the data 20:31 < kanzure> at least, abstractly 20:31 < kanzure> the answer is in the data: http://fennetic.net/sleep/test.txt 20:32 < JayDugger> I saw the records for food intake in the data set, and I wanted to know if he used it past that recording. 20:32 < JayDugger> The time using programs seemed implied, but not explicitly listed. 20:32 -!- root_ [~root@CPE00222d1cc6d1-CM00222d1cc6cd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:33 < JayDugger> I thought I'd ask before I went to the trouble and downloading and searching the data. 20:33 < JayDugger> Thank you for the link, too. 20:33 < JayDugger> I looked at that data set before I asked. :) 20:34 < kanzure> i'm really surprised at how much interest there is in his data set 20:34 < JayDugger> Beyond its' appeal to voyeurs? 20:34 < kanzure> yes 20:34 < JayDugger> It surprises to find fenn watches that much TV. 20:35 < kanzure> he doesn't mean to :/ 20:35 < JayDugger> s/surprises/surprises me 20:35 < kanzure> i had a television, and he got hooked on it 20:36 < kanzure> so i got rid of it 20:36 < kanzure> (eventually) 20:36 < JayDugger> Those programs have some redeeming merits, IMO. 20:37 < JayDugger> Perhaps not the Ed Sullivan Show, nor Dogfight, but YMMV. 20:40 < kanzure> what am i hearing when i tilt my head and all the oscillating fans in the room sound different? 20:40 < kanzure> it's very annoying 20:41 < JayDugger> Interference patterns between the fans' sounds changing as your head moves? 20:41 < kanzure> i feel my ears "beating" for a few seconds after each head shit normally 20:42 < JayDugger> I don't know. 20:42 < katsmeow-afk> should i ask the obvious? 20:42 < kanzure> s/shit/shift/ 20:42 < katsmeow-afk> ok 20:42 < kanzure> the obvious being? "why is your head shitting?" 20:43 < katsmeow-afk> yeas 20:44 < katsmeow-afk> offhand, i'd jump to the comclusion that there's some muscular strain and it's causing an increased blood flow, but you know i was going to say that 20:47 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:47 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:47 < ybit> parolang`: re: silverlight, netflix requires it, i don't use netflix i just found out one time since I was trying to get it to work.. not that i myself can't get stuff from public torrents. anyway, if you ever are in a situation where you absolutely need to try silverlight, just fire up virtualbox with win xp 20:48 < ybit> JayDugger: no as in it his food intake wasn't mentioned in the video 20:48 < ybit> -it 20:51 < ybit> http://shae.livejournal.com/ 20:51 < ybit> this guy is in my area :-) 20:51 < ybit> my city 20:51 < ybit> http://picasaweb.google.com/shae.erisson 20:52 < ybit> he has a kinesis keyboard and i'm jealous 20:52 < ybit> he's shapr on irc 20:52 < ybit> he hangs in #haskell 20:52 * ybit is happy 20:52 < kanzure> ybit: read it or die: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf 20:52 < kanzure> ack moved my head 20:53 < kanzure> this is painful 20:53 < kanzure> i think brains usually filter this stuff out 20:53 < ybit> i've been acting similar to you recently, kanzure, in stalking potentinally interesting people.. but all of them are local 20:54 < ybit> found about 20 people using linux in the area 20:54 < kanzure> guh #ubuntu-austin done 20:54 < ybit> #ubuntu-podumptowninal 20:54 < ybit> done 20:54 < ybit> (made that up) 20:54 < kanzure> btw you guys suck at spending my funding 20:55 < ybit> you suck at sending your funding 20:55 < ybit> i'm still waiting on my $250k 20:55 < kanzure> you didn't ask for $250k 20:55 < kanzure> also, i'd have to know what you want to use it for 20:55 < ybit> can i has $250k? 20:55 < kanzure> before sending it 20:55 < ybit> hackerspace here 20:55 < ybit> drr 20:55 < kanzure> uh 20:55 < kanzure> you can do a hackerspace on much less 20:55 < kanzure> i'm not giving you $250k for that 20:56 < ybit> sure, but if you have $250k to spend, i'll take all of it :) 20:56 < JayDugger> Spend the money. Every time I give `sudo skdb make-me-an-orion-battleship` I get a whole lot of nothing. 20:56 < ybit> :P 20:56 < kanzure> i read that as onion-battleship and my stomach growled a little bit 20:56 < kanzure> i dunno what precisely to spend it on 20:56 < JayDugger> It's hard to take over the world without a credible doomsday device. 20:56 < kanzure> i'm hesitant to pay rent at the austin hacker space 20:56 < kanzure> especially with the fucked up social dynamics going on there 20:57 < ybit> start your own? 20:57 < ybit> just start making stuff, no? 20:57 < kanzure> wouldn't i need a car for that? 20:57 < katsmeow-afk> fucked up social dynamics seem to spread like tentacles 20:57 < kanzure> i don't really have tools here 20:57 < ybit> purchase tools? 20:57 < JayDugger> Buy good tools. 20:57 < kanzure> just randomly? 20:58 < ybit> think of a project, then think of the tools you will need 20:58 < kanzure> isn't skdb supposed to do that for me 20:58 < katsmeow-afk> buy cheap tools, see if that's even the right tool for the job before you sink serious money into it 20:58 < kanzure> what job 20:58 < kanzure> gah 20:58 < JayDugger> Yes, but at some point you have "Bail out" and use pre-existing tools or machinery, right? 20:58 < kanzure> my head hurts, go away 20:58 < JayDugger> Buy asprin. 20:58 < ybit> :P 20:59 < katsmeow-afk> is asprin in skdb? 20:59 < ybit> kanzure: suggestion: slightly larger margins on the left and right of the pdf 21:00 < kanzure> was trying to fit it into one page 21:00 < ybit> okay, probably best if you ignore me then 21:00 < kanzure> way ahead of you 21:09 < ybit> :) 21:09 < kanzure> free will: http://i.imgur.com/wIXWX.png 21:10 < JayDugger> Duh. 21:10 < ybit> "Dear Foresight members and friends, 21:10 < ybit> We are happy to announce that all videos from Foresight 2010, our January conference, are now posted: 21:10 < ybit> http://www.vimeo.com/album/176287 " 21:10 < JayDugger> Yay! 21:10 < JayDugger> Something to hear at work! 21:11 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:12 < ybit> why couldn't they do this for the h+ talks? 21:12 < kanzure> because humanityplus.org is technically incompetent? 21:25 < QuantumG> s/plus.org// 21:26 < ybit> one step ahead of me QuantumG :) 21:31 < ybit> kanzure: good job on 1kfriendly so far, it's an easy name to remember. when are you putting some info on the site? 21:46 < kanzure> once someone besides me convinces me it's a good idea 21:46 < kanzure> i'm way too biased 21:51 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-6-173.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:08 < kanzure> ahem, that was an open invitation 22:15 < ybit> QuantumG: what have you been working on lately? 22:15 < QuantumG> nuffin.. real work 22:16 < ybit> what's your real work consist of? 22:16 < QuantumG> I'm a software engineer 22:16 < ybit> what industry? 22:16 < kanzure> he hacks the hackers 22:16 < QuantumG> application security 22:16 < kanzure> "security" or some shit 22:16 < kanzure> but don't believe it 22:16 < kanzure> see? :) 22:16 < ybit> os specific? 22:17 < QuantumG> people upload their applications, there's an engine that scans them and gives them a report on how insecure they are.. I work on the engine. 22:18 < QuantumG> windows/linux/solaris c/c++, java, jsp, c#, visual basic, php.. the engine she does them all captain 22:27 < kanzure> QuantumG: some universities have something like that for their programming classes 22:27 < kanzure> except it's an automated submit-your-source-and-we-compile-it-and-run-it-in-a-VM-and-do-unit-tests thingy 22:27 < kanzure> do you know the name of this software? i can't, for the life of me, find it 22:28 < kanzure> i think there was a programming olympiad or something that used it.. and again, i can't remember the name 22:30 < JayDugger> Time to commute. Good night, all. 22:30 < QuantumG> kanzure: the ACM programming competition does something like that 22:36 -!- Semikolon [~Semikolon@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:48 < kanzure> that might have been it :) 22:49 -!- parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:55 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:13 < kanzure> i'm really sad that there's no legit papers on hooking up accelerometers to each finger 23:13 < kanzure> or at least doing 3D location tracking of fingers during a typing exercise 23:14 < kanzure> "Kinematics of the fingers and hands during computer keyboard use 23:43 < avicenna> kanzure 23:44 < kanzure> what's up? 23:44 < avicenna> wouldn't that be something game makers and CGI people would use? 23:44 < avicenna> i bet you'd find mention of it in hollywood 23:44 < kanzure> maybe? 23:44 < kanzure> hm 23:44 < kanzure> oh, i see what you mean 23:44 < kanzure> motion capture 23:44 < avicenna> ya exactly 23:59 < katsmeow-afk> somone made ASL gloves to convert to english