--- Day changed Thu Mar 11 2010
00:29 < kanzure> http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/02/open-source-economies.html
01:16 < ybit> someone quick give me a name
01:16 < ybit> s/me/the local hackerspace
01:18 < kanzure> "ybit's attempt at repeating everyone else's work" (yaareew)
01:22 < kanzure> "I think the real trick is going to show them how to do personal management of accelerating change on a personal level, community level, and business level"
01:22 < katsmeow> this is alaforkingbama, *what* change?
01:22 < kanzure> obama isn't accelerating change, he's just "Change 2008" or something
01:23 < kanzure> er did i just miss something?
01:24 < katsmeow> or i missed the 4 minute pause as a change of topic?
01:24 < kanzure> not quite a change of topic, more like "bryan randomly pulling in something from another conversation out on the interweb that happens to have nothing to do with ybit's shenanigans"
01:24 < katsmeow> ah
01:25 < fenn> supposedly haptek.com is going open source (they ran out of steam or something)
01:26  * kanzure is meeting with singulartyu.org webmaster in the next few days (due to SXSW)
01:26 < fenn> haptek's no good for instruction generation tho.. the people don't do actions, just general emotions
01:26 < kanzure> "now get angry at the screwdriver"
01:26 < kanzure> "GRR"
01:27 < katsmeow> lol
01:27 < bkero-legacy> kanzure: Going to attend? :)
01:28 < kanzure> attend?
01:28 < QuantumG> btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSChW9HxAvI
01:28 < kanzure> i just see this as lots of people being in austin for some reason
01:28 < kanzure> so.. yeah.
01:28 < bkero-legacy> SingularityU
01:28 < kanzure> oh
01:28 < kanzure> yes possibly :)
01:28 < bkero-legacy> Get a full tuition grant and make #hplusroadmap proud. <3
01:28 < kanzure> sure thing
01:29 < bkero-legacy> and teach your instructors a thing or two 8)
01:29 < bkero-legacy> B)
01:29 < kanzure> it's not for the instructors (cept maybe peter norvig, dan barry et al.)
01:29 < kanzure> like hell i'm going to pay $25k to be "instructed" by jason bobe :P
01:30 < bkero-legacy> Hehe
01:31 < bkero-legacy> I can't think of anybody more qualified to go.  You should get a full scholarship.
01:31 < bkero-legacy> If you need some recommendations I could give what little clout I have. :P
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01:32 < kanzure> actually
01:32 < kanzure> send an email to: reference@singularityu.org
01:32 < bkero-legacy> orly
01:32 < kanzure> with the subject as: "Bryan Bishop"
01:32 < bkero-legacy> ping me if you consider going, I'll do that :)
01:32 < kanzure> and type about either:
01:32 < kanzure>   * Why should you be accepted to SU?
01:32 < kanzure> or:   * Verify your entrepreneurial and leadership skills and/or
01:32 < kanzure> demonstrated expertise in one of the SU tracks.
01:33 < kanzure> i already sent the application
01:33 < kanzure> they want references now
01:33 < kanzure> pile 'em up
01:33 < bkero-legacy> Hahaha ok
01:33 < bkero-legacy> skdb bitches
01:34 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 36 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal]
01:34 < kanzure> but seriously- ybit, fenn, QuantumG, klafka, Noahj, drazak, nchaimov, nsh, Phreedom, etc. etc.
01:34 < kanzure> if you could do the same that would be *hawt*
01:35  * bkero-legacy gives SU some singularity love for kanzure.
01:35 < fenn> bingo 403
01:36 < kanzure> fenn: try again
01:39 < fenn> oh i was hoping it was a bunch of phrases like "exponentially increasing" or "trillion dollar economy"
01:39 < fenn> or whatever they talk about.. i don't actually know
01:40 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/singularity_university_bingo.pdf
01:40 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/singularity_university_bingo.2.pdf
01:40 < fenn> paul saffo sucks.. i don't get why he's a big shot intellectual
01:44 < kanzure> give it about two minutes before it's done: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/singularity_university_bingo.3.pdf
01:44 < kanzure> keep track of how many times "billion" shows up
01:44  * kanzure sleeps
01:45 < kanzure> ah it's done
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01:51 < QuantumG> sent
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04:33 < Utopiah> ( COMSOL Multiphysics finite element analysis, solver and Simulation software package http://www.comsol.com/conference/cd/ )
04:35 < Utopiah> not sure why a friend send that to me but since they model railguns, it must be cool http://www.comsol.com/showroom/gallery/2023/
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08:24 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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11:53 < parolang> What are you guys using for CAD?
11:55 < kanzure> pythonocc
12:19 < kanzure> machine that prints organs: http://www.economist.com/science-technology/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15543683 (i don't know where else to store this news item)
12:30 < clemux> kanzure: I was wondering how you manage to keep your meet log, could I see the software you use? even if it's juste some simple scripts
12:39 < clemux> if you don't mind :)
12:52 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/ has everything i use
12:53 < kanzure> clemux: ^
12:54 < kanzure> clemux: also, http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf
13:05 < clemux> oh, i didn't see parser.py :)
13:05 < clemux> thanks
13:10 < clemux> kanzure: so you fill meetlog.txt by hand?
13:17 < kanzure> superkuh: what's up with http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/ircurls.html ?
13:18 < superkuh> What's wrong with it? I guess I understand some privacy issues. Do you want it blocked?
13:18 < kanzure> clemux: yeah, but fenn pointed out that loading/dumping the YAML file doesn't significantly screw it up, so i'm going to write some scripts to integrate gmail, pidgin, and irssi soon
13:18 < kanzure> superkuh: no, it's 403'd
13:18 < superkuh> Oh, so I already blocked it.
13:18 < kanzure> was just wondering what it was
13:19 < superkuh> It's just an old dump of URLs I used for statistics of different networks. Someone wanted to look. I noticed after a while it was google bait and left it up to see what people searched.
13:19 < kanzure> and why it showed up in an email to me
13:19 < superkuh> And email?
13:19 < kanzure> yes
13:19 < kanzure> it looks like it was picked up by http://rapid4me.com/?f=10638347&t=Metal_Museum_-_Covered_in_Metal_1.zip& too
13:20 < kanzure> what sort of statistics? sounds interesting
13:22 < kanzure> hm: http://mail.singularityu.org/
13:29 < clemux> kanzure: okay; I was thinking of scripting something like that, but thought "wait, kanzure's probably done that already"
13:45 < kanzure> hm i wonder if i should make a pidgin plugin or if i should just parse pidgin logs
13:46 < kanzure> these are the important decisions to be made in life :P
14:13  * fenn murmurs in his sleep about [3~[3~[3~[3~[3~about g-tec intendix
14:33 < kanzure> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/syndicated-linux-news-67/lxer-open-source-hardware-takes-baby-steps-toward-the-gadget-mainstream-793127/
14:33 < kanzure> http://lifetheuniverseandrendering.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/open-source-hardware-and-inter-species-relations/
14:35 < kanzure> "Hugo Chavez Sends Army to Change All Lights in Venezuela to CFLs" http://www.inhabitat.com/2010/03/11/hugo-chavez-sends-army-to-change-all-lights-in-venezuela-to-cfls/#more-93871
14:36 < kanzure> be careful or else the lightbulb efficiency army will come out to get you
15:03 < kanzure> $100 1.5TB hdd http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148412
15:23 < parolang> heh :)
15:23 < parolang> 1.5TB :o
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15:38 < jrayhawk> Their less horrifyingly unstable 7200.11 series is on sale for the same price with a promo code.
16:56 < kanzure> "welcome to the future" (just in case, you know, you haven't heard about diybio and things for the past umpteen years) http://news.goldseek.com/MillenniumWaveAdvisors/1267981200.php
16:57 < kanzure> "In regards to the DIY-Bio movement, one of attendees behind me said, “OK, does this mean in the future we buy 99-cent bio apps for our iBiophone?” Think about that for a second. Just a few years ago, the thought of 100,000 iPhone apps for a few bucks or even pennies or free seemed ridiculous. Now it is commonplace."
16:58  * kanzure wishes people would wake up and realize how much a load of shit they are wulfing down with the iphone
16:58 < kanzure> hm that same content appears here: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/03/welcome-to-the-future/
16:58 < kanzure> stalk: john mauldin
17:00 < kanzure> notes from the biosecurity webcast: http://inkouper.blogspot.com/2010/03/biosecurity-webcast.html
17:01 < kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/03/diy_cleanroom_on_a_budget.html
17:01 < kanzure> http://www.iheartrobotics.com/2010/02/this-new-lab-diy-cleanroom.html
17:01 < kanzure> video tour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ6teMUtDD0
17:03 < kanzure> reshma shetty acting like she can teach diybio at MIT: http://effectiveclass.org/video/science-video/%C2%A0-biology/mit-do-it-yourself-biology
17:04 < kanzure> Standard Virtual Biological Parts: A Repository of Modular Modeling
17:04 < kanzure> Components for Synthetic Biology. [Bioinformatics. 2010]
17:04 < kanzure> i wonder if that's more partsregistry.org spam
17:05 < kanzure> diybio-auckland: http://goo.gl/Rset
17:06 < kanzure> stalk: abhishek tiwari
17:06 < kanzure> stalk: naveen joshi
17:08 < kanzure>     abhishek.twr@gmail.com
17:09 < kanzure> i hate rob carlson
17:09 < kanzure> http://healthystealthy.posterous.com/garage-biology-in-silicon-valley-synthesis
17:09 < kanzure> "The people who built the lab pictured above are pursuing a project that is technically well beyond anything discussed on the DIYBio list"
17:09 < kanzure> god damn, it's just schloendorn and livly.org :/
17:09 < kanzure> which, i might add, has been mentioned on the diybio list
17:10 < kanzure> he even links to "Evidence of FBI raid on the home of Steve Kurtz of Critical Art Ensemble." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1vuVkxeJEs
17:11 < kanzure> oh, actual link to rob's terrible article: http://www.synthesis.cc/2010/03/garage-biology-in-silicon-valley.html
17:13 < kanzure> food hacking at sxsw on march 12 http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/blog/posts/sxsw-preview-food-hacking-101/
17:14 < kanzure> heh :) tux cookies http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/blog/posts/tux-cookies-cnc-printed-cookie-cutters/
17:19 < kanzure> fenn: why are you showing up at android meetups?
17:32 < kanzure> jrayhawk: do you know any articles on the interwebs that attempt to stab iphone "app store" fanbois in the face with things like dpkg/apt-get and debian?
17:47 < jrayhawk> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=22698
17:48 < jrayhawk> But I think Cydia does a fair demonstration of just what a ghetto the app store is.
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18:25 < kanzure> "­ Children inherit about 30 mutated genes from each parent"
18:25 < kanzure> "Scientists previously had thought a child had about 75 mutated genes from the parents"
18:26 < kanzure> abstract: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sci;science.1186802v1?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=Galas&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=date&resourcetype=HWCIT
18:40 < kanzure> seattle area: http://wiki.metrixcreatespace.com/start
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19:15 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
19:16 < ybit> hi JayDugger 
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19:35 < kanzure> who is edward you's contact at the CDC?
19:37 < kanzure> what do you assjerks think of the name "opensciencefund.com"? 
19:37 < kanzure> jacob shiach (diybio-houston) just purchased it for us
19:38 < kanzure> i need a roll-a-dex of creative insults to call you people
19:43 < JayDugger> There's a fellow named Ken Scroggins in Hawai'i, a master of that form. Hire him to write you a list of insults.
19:45 < kanzure> willyflappers
19:45 < kanzure> but seriously, opensciencefund.com
19:45 < JayDugger> open science fund, a .com or a .org, or did you get both?
19:45 < kanzure> jacob got all
19:46 < kanzure> except .net
19:46 < JayDugger> I am known to have a tin ear in such matters.
19:46 < kanzure> it actually sounds like a fairly good name
19:46 < JayDugger> If I like it, that almost counts against it.
19:46 < kanzure> well there's a lot of hype around "open science"
19:46 < JayDugger> I'd ask P.J. Manney. She has a good ear for it, and might even know tools to track that phrase's popularity.
19:47 < kanzure> oh i met pj once, very nice person
19:47 < JayDugger> She seems it from on-line.
19:47 < kanzure> apparently she worked on star wars too, so she's like a superhero in my bookm
19:47 < kanzure> *book
19:47 < JayDugger> Did you ever read Brin's critique of Star Wars?
19:48 < kanzure> yeah i think fenn linked me to it
19:48 < kanzure> it doesn't matter anyway, star wars was burned into my brain when i was a very young child (6 or 7)
19:48 < JayDugger> You've time enough ahead of you to recover. ;)
19:49 < JayDugger> BRB.
19:53 < kanzure> i wonder if i should go to sxsw2
19:53 < kanzure> *sxsw
19:54 < kanzure> gah the password to the cpanel to opensciencefund.com is absolutely terrible (it's one of those passwords that is specific to a domain of knowledge within science)
19:54 < kanzure> like almost as bad as me setting my password to "posthuman2.0"
19:55 < kanzure> also, why does cpanel even exist
19:56 < JayDugger> SXSW--sure, if you've time and money for it.
19:56 < JayDugger> Poor passwords abound.
19:58 < kanzure> money? does it cost
19:58 < JayDugger> I have no idea.
19:59 < JayDugger> Certainly you'll have some expenses: food, travel, etc.. These might not amount to much, but I doubt they will equal zero.
20:00 < kanzure> http://opensciencefund.org/ looks like he already chose to do wordpress :(
20:00 < kanzure> i don't know why people feel the need to use blogging platforms for situations where custom software is probably going to be developed anyway
20:00 < kanzure> i would be more impressed if he would have picked drupal or something, because at least then he could claim he was planning on using drupal plugins
20:00 < jrayhawk> "foundation" would be a better word
20:01 < kanzure> why
20:01 < kanzure> hm i should have told him that gnusha already has hosting
20:02 < kanzure> maybe i'll con him into pointing the DNS information over to bryan.svcs.cs.pdx.edu
20:03 < jrayhawk> I assume you're attempting to promote a whole movement rather than necessarily just funding some open science projects.
20:03 < kanzure> he wants to do kickstarter.com for diybio grants
20:04 < jrayhawk> But yeah, you guys are very welcome to stick that sort of thing on astroboy.
20:04 < kanzure> ha ha: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brett/8-bit-cities-real-world-maps-that-look-like-80s-v?pos=3&ref=popular
20:04 < kanzure> is that the server name? astroboy?
20:04 < jrayhawk> Yeah. I probably never mentioned that before; sorry.
20:04 < kanzure> i used to be mean to this newbie i knew and called him astroboy (as an insult) :P
20:04 < kanzure> (few years down the road and he's a crackhead, but that's another story)
20:05 < kanzure> java does that to you :(
20:05 < jrayhawk> We're also hosting somebody called openrobotics. They wanted CMS help several years ago.
20:05 < kanzure> hm, ann arbor area robotics club
20:06 < kanzure> ybit: http://8bitnyc.com/
20:06 < kanzure> http://tilecache.org/ http://openlayers.org/
20:07 < jrayhawk> huh, i guess their domain died. now i feel all guilty for not helping them in time.
20:07 < kanzure> i had this grand scheme for convincing jacob to make his icenine/opensciencefund.com idea a part of gnusha as a co-op/incubator angle
20:08 < kanzure> in particular because if he can get science projects funded, then a tie-in with package management could be really cool
20:08 < kanzure> like discounts on certain kits necessary to go through with the science project
20:08 < JayDugger> Had?
20:09 < kanzure> well i say "had" because discounts-on-kits feels insufficient for bringing him into the #hplusroadmap void
20:09 < JayDugger> WMS Tiling--how odd.
20:09 < kanzure> or into gnusha in general
20:09 < JayDugger> I just bitched to a former co-worker about a badly chosen set of tiles showing the geography near Lafayette, LA.
20:09 < kanzure> wait maybe i am confusing brian degger and jacob shiach and their individual plans
20:10 < JayDugger> Haven't you a prosthesis to help keep humans straight? 
20:10 < kanzure> "# Launch alpha 1.0 version of site with the coop store and ability to sponsor projects"
20:10 < kanzure> "This will be essentially be a nicely built online co-op for kits"
20:10 < kanzure> ok sounds like gnusha to me. nevermind :)
20:11 < kanzure> but i don't know what a "co-op for kits" means
20:11 < kanzure> jacob got this estimate from some python developers that wanted to charge him $5k upfront and $40k in total for this website
20:12 < kanzure> does anyone want to snatch up openpcr.org before tito does?
20:13 < kanzure> http://biohouston.org/
20:29 < JayDugger> http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/03/if-you-could-know-only-one-statistic-about-an-alien-civilization.html
20:30 < jrayhawk> I'm sitting next to some Django-oriented developers if you want quotes or anyhing.
20:35 < kanzure> um, no, i can do it myself
20:36 < kanzure> actually go ahead and get the quote anyway
20:36 < kanzure> i would guestimate that they say $100
20:36 < kanzure> anything higher and they are a bunch of hipsters
20:39 < kanzure> jrayhawk: btw, this is in part what i was hoping to use (something like) piny for
20:39 < jrayhawk> I don't really know what-all is involved in this particular site; the guys I'm with are used to doing some crazy expansive projects.
20:40 < kanzure> expansive or expensive
20:40 < jrayhawk> Yeah, I'd like to provision piny for small simple sites that are normally done in massive, terrible, insecure dynamic CMS engines.
20:40 < jrayhawk> expansive becomes expensive
20:41 < kanzure> i liked jules observation that "they aren't slow, they are 'dynamic'" :)
20:41 < kanzure> jules'
20:41 < jrayhawk> speaking of which they want me to install a wsgi server WHAT SHOULD I USE
20:42 < kanzure> who is they
20:42 < jrayhawk> the django folks
20:42 < kanzure> mod_wsgi for apache is one option that keeps popping up, and there's one for lighttpd
20:42 < kanzure> er doesn't django have its own custom wsgi server
20:43 < jrayhawk> Huh. I wonder if I shuld just proxy over to that.
20:44 < kanzure> why are they asking for wsgi?
20:44 < kanzure> are they hosting a django project and don't want to use the python django server?
20:44 < jrayhawk> I'll go ask why.
20:52 < kanzure> "it's been here ever since the great turtle climbed out of the sea with the earth on its back"
20:57 < jrayhawk> Are you talking about http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.0/ref/django-admin/#runserver ?
20:57 < jrayhawk> Because there are a fair list of problems, there...
20:58 < kanzure> mod_wsgi then i guess
20:58 < kanzure> i'm not aware of the problems though
21:00 < jrayhawk> single threaded, doesn't cache anything, "It has not gone through security audits or performance tests", doesn't seem to do any logging, etc.
21:00 < kanzure> single threaded O_o
21:00 < jrayhawk> It's supposedly designed for development.
21:01 < kanzure> no logging either? hrm
21:02 < jrayhawk> exclusively, that is.
21:02 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvm9gL4KVQg "Alpha particle detector, made from a webcamera. "
21:03 < kanzure> "Elsevier took payments from Merck, Sharp & Dohme in order to publish in essence a fake journal designed to promote its products, and then got caught doing it again."
21:03 < kanzure> http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/when_big_pharma_pays_a_publisher_to_publ.php
21:03 < kanzure> http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/quoth_elsevier_whoops_i_did_it_again_six.php
21:03 < kanzure> those last three from: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/03/elsevier_to_medical_hypotheses_editor_br.php
21:04 < kanzure> "or example, Mark Blaxill published pseudoscientific speculation that vaccines cause autism, and the anti-vaccine movement trumpeted Blaxill's paper for the next several years as "evidence" in a "peer-reviewed journal" (more on that later) that vaccines cause autism."
21:04 < kanzure> oh wonderful
21:05 < kanzure> "Nor do most people--even scientists-- have any idea of some of the other amusingly (and not-so-amusingly) wacky "hypotheses" published in MH, such as ideas that masturbation is a treatment for nasal congestion"
21:05 < kanzure> "a paper linking high heeled shoes to schizophrenia"
21:05 < kanzure> "a meditation on the nature of navel fluff"
21:07 < ybit> thanks kanzure, learned about http://openlayers.org/ because of 8bitnyc.com
21:07 < kanzure> ybit: can you turn off hplusbot's command bullshit
21:07 < kanzure> !apt-get install bullshit
21:07 < hplusbot> kanzure: Error: "apt-get" is not a valid command.
21:07 < kanzure> see?
21:08 < ybit> guess so
21:08 < katsmeow-afk> make the bot respond only when spoken to?
21:09 < kanzure> why, it doesn't do anything anyway except log
21:09 < kanzure> you might as well just have an irssi session open to log to a text file instead of some silly bot
21:09 < katsmeow-afk> i figured ybit might add useful !commands later
21:09 < katsmeow-afk> <shrug>
21:09 < ybit> !fuck-off
21:09 < hplusbot> ybit: Error: "fuck-off" is not a valid command.
21:09 < ybit> damn
21:10 < ybit> hplusbot: disable commands
21:10 < hplusbot> ybit: The operation succeeded.
21:10 < ybit> !orly?
21:10 < hplusbot> ybit: Error: "orly?" is not a valid command.
21:10 < kanzure> ybit: just stop using a bot you don't know how to control
21:10 < jrayhawk> you'll never cause the singularity with that sort of attitude
21:11 < ybit> :)
21:11 < katsmeow-afk> speaking of such, htf does one use dbpedia?
21:11 < kanzure> is it too much to ask to rtfm
21:11 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: it just has articles that list databases IIRC
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21:12 < katsmeow-afk> which seem to be down, in non-standard formats, etc etc
21:12  * katsmeow-afk strikes dbpedia off thelist of "what's useful"
21:12 < kanzure> there is one article on it on bioinformatics databases that dan bolser (faceface) used to maintain
21:13 < QuantumG> http://www.willowgarage.com/blog/2010/02/01/lots-texas-robots
21:14 < kanzure> jrayhawk: do you have opinions or technical insight into lighttpd vs. apache? :/
21:17 < kanzure> i've been wary of suggesting apache for super-high-volume sites just because of how bulky it is
21:17 < kanzure> but that might be because i took the long route for learning how to use it well
21:22 < kanzure> someone wants me to do their homework for them: http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~mitra/csSpring2010/cs313/assgn/assgn5.html
21:23 < kanzure> it's not hard, but it's annoyingly long and java, so .. yeah.
21:27 < kanzure> twitter dataset among others: http://www.public.asu.edu/~mdechoud/datasets.html
21:27 < kanzure> cool, temporal social network topology
21:28 < kanzure> the twitter dataset is 525MB http://www.public.asu.edu/~mdechoud/data/twitter_data.zip
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21:33 < katsmeow-afk> The total number of user-user links in the social graph is about $56,000
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21:44 < genehacker> so you going to dorkbot kanzure?
21:45 < kanzure> maybe if i find it
21:45 < jrayhawk> I'd be afraid of recommending anything but apache for high volume sites.
21:46 < jrayhawk> Lighttpd doesn't really have nice built-in "test this configuration file for me before i restart you" facilities, and generally its failures modes are more catastrophic than apache's.
21:46 < kanzure> does apache have that feature? testing before restarting 
21:47 < jrayhawk> yes, /etc/init.d/apache2 works that way, even
21:47 < kanzure> huh? there's only restart and such on there
21:48 < jrayhawk> lighttpd also is constantly pissing me off with a lack of features, or half-implemented features
21:49 < jrayhawk> that said, i use it for its much more sensible configuration format
21:50 < jrayhawk> re: "only restart and such"
21:50 < jrayhawk>         reload | force-reload)
21:50 < jrayhawk>                 if ! $APACHE2CTL configtest > /dev/null 2>&1; then
21:50 < jrayhawk> oh yeah, and there's that whole "graceful reload" thing apache does that lighttpd definitely does not.
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21:50 < kanzure> oh is configtest just for checking syntax?
21:51 < jrayhawk> And other static checks.
21:51 < JayDugger> Good night, all. Time to concentrate IRL.
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21:54 < jrayhawk> lighttpd also has a mediocre security track record
21:54 < jrayhawk> have you played around much with nginx?
21:54 < kanzure> no
21:54 < kanzure> not at all
21:54 < genehacker> if you find it?
21:55 < genehacker> http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotaustin/2010/02/dorkbot-23-sxsw-interactive-2010/
21:57 < jrayhawk> I've been meaning to. It looks like its satsifying lighttpd's use cases (proxying, fastcgi) more elegantly than lighttpd.
21:58 < jrayhawk> And by "more elegantly" I mean "with even the slightest level of forethought and understanding of HTTP"
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22:43 < kanzure> http://gitorious.com/webber Webber (Python based static website generator like IkiWiki)
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23:05 < kanzure> so maybe i'm missing the point
23:05 < kanzure> http://gitorious.org/~jameysharp/gitorious/federation/blobs/master/app/models/repository.rb
23:06 < kanzure> but why is ActiveRecord being used at all
23:06 < kanzure> doesn't that mean that gitorious is using an SQL backend for managing repositories? what's the point of that
23:27 < kanzure> i've been reading this and can't stand ruby developers: http://www.rubyinside.com/no-true-mod_ruby-is-damaging-rubys-viability-on-the-web-693.html
23:27 < kanzure> it's just the way they talk i guess?
23:47 < kanzure> maybe useful: http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2007/07/web-hosting-landscape-and-modwsgi.html
23:48 < kanzure> "The second problem is that although in mod_wsgi distinct Python sub interpreters are used to keep different applications separate, this isn't fool proof. Problems can arise where different applications attempt to use different versions of a particular C extension module, as Python only loads C extensions once for the whole process and not separately for each sub interpreter."
23:49 < kanzure> (that's for "embedded mode" of mod_wsgi)
23:57 < kanzure> i wonder how apache knows the password to the 'trac' user? http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithTrac
23:57 < kanzure> particularly at the line that says: WSGIDaemonProcess site-1 user=trac group=trac threads=25