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00:22 < fenn> wow i just saw the most AWESOME commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4JLsNtDsM
00:25 < kanzure> ybit: could you linkdump on metacurrency / fake money projects?
00:25 < kanzure> Utopiah: you too?
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02:34 < fenn> ugh.. i hate it when you have this huge order and the shopping cart inexplicably self destructs
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03:56 < kanzure> stalk: steve klabnik
04:19 < fenn> i need to setup/compile/learn liquidpcb
04:31 < Utopiah> kanzure: I just remember http://www.openmoney.info/ (btw I think "real" money is as fake as this one, just more widely used)
04:42 < Utopiah> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_smarter_you_are_the_less_you_click.php
04:43 < Utopiah> (no, it doesn't mean that AdBlock Plus makes you a genius ;)
04:51 < kanzure> if you hate using a mouse, does that count
04:53 < Utopiah> if you are using a mouse, it directly counts as "n00b"
05:38 < Utopiah> (regarding an earlier question I asked about available legal template, just found http://www.seriesseed.com/ )
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08:43 < ybit> kanzure: they all suck, how about that for a link dump
08:44 < ybit> openmoney.info was decentat some point, but it's all about metacurrency imho
08:44 < ybit> and they have some game setup on flowplace
08:45 < ybit> that's the only effort i care for
08:51 < ybit> metacurrency is a platform for which currencies can be created and maintained
08:51 < ybit> it's not another alt currency
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10:33 < kanzure> i think wolframalpha lost out on an opportunity to be *the* source for bloggers to go to get embedded latex and pretty graphs/charts for their crazy theories
10:34 < kanzure> http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2010/03/creating-predictably-beneficial-agi.html
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10:59 < kanzure> stalk: ryan bethencourt
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13:55 < hundred-ideas> !logs
13:55 < hundred-ideas> humbug
13:56 < Utopiah> http://designfiles.org/irclogs.txt
13:59 < hundred-ideas> thanks
13:59 < Utopiah> np
14:08 < fenn> ooh ooh ooh tomorrow 6:45pm mountain view "Evaluating Eye Tracking Systems for Computer Data Entry"
14:10 < Utopiah> (The dangers of Webcrawled datasets http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2739 )
14:11 < katsmeow-afk> and proposes safer alternatives? those tend to cost
14:13 < katsmeow-afk> and in some cases have been human-edited, with biased humans
14:16 < Utopiah> "In conclusion, I strongly encourage computing researchers to devise and use new mechanisms for collecting, auditing, using and redistributing Internet–based materials for empirical studies in computing."
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14:20 < kanzure> fenn: where is the tablet
14:24 < fenn> to the right of the doorway, possibly under another laptop or a tub or something
14:24 < fenn> in a black case
14:34 < fenn> find it?
14:43 < kanzure> yes
14:43 < kanzure> thank you
14:43 < kanzure> forrest wants to do DMD dna synthesis
15:03 < kanzure> Maskless fabrication of light-directed oligonucleotide microarrays using a digital micromirror array http://designfiles.org/papers/Maskless%20fabrication%20of%20light-directed%20oligonucleotide%20microarrays%20using%20a%20digital%20micromirror%20array.pdf
15:03 < hundred-ideas> what's the best way to share microbial strains via international mail?
15:04 < hundred-ideas> agar stabs?
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15:26 < fenn> depending on how much money you have to waste and how heat sensitive the bugs are, might want to send an insulated container with ice packs
15:35  * katsmeow-afk makes a note to one side "not adviseable to send self-heating MRE by container ship"
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15:59 < fenn> the guy i'm sitting across from: http://www.lib.aero/~ari/aibs/
16:11 < fenn> well that's totally useless.. printer resolution test in jpg format
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16:35 < fenn> wow i hate cups and printers in general
16:36 < kanzure> superkuh: http://designfiles.org/papers/Polyphenoloxidase%20Silencing%20Affects%20Latex%20Coagulation%20in%20Taraxacum%20Species.pdf
16:36 < kanzure> superkuh: http://designfiles.org/papers/Polyphenoloxidase%20Silencing%20Affects%20Latex%20Coagulation%20in%20Taraxacum%20Species.supplementary.pdf
16:36 < superkuh> Thanks kanzure!
16:39 < kanzure> stalk: andrew fire
16:39 < kanzure> http://bmt.stanford.edu/research/miklos-lab.html
16:45 < jrayhawk> http://iep463.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/w3fr/rotieren.html "Convection in granular media"
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17:06 < fenn> how long is typically expected to fight with cups before one can actually print a file?
17:07 < QuantumG> lifetime
17:08 < fenn> cups generally makes me more homicidal than suicidal
17:09 < QuantumG> either way, it demands blood
17:09 < Noahj> Cups hasn't demanded any virgin sacrifices from my village in ages
17:09 < Noahj> What're you trying to print to?
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17:10 < fenn> there's five printers here, one of them
17:10 < fenn> the laserjet 4050N looks old school enough to perhaps behave predictably
17:11 < Noahj> That sounds like it'd work fine
17:11 < fenn> yes it does
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19:08 < fenn> who the heck puts in all this data anyway: http://tinyurl.com/googlebikewtf
19:09 < fenn> oh look i'll be going right past google
19:12 < fenn> kanzure: plz powercycle tub when convenient
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19:56 < kanzure> fenn: forrest poked your tub today
19:58 < fenn> did he break it?
19:59 < kanzure> no, try now
19:59 < kanzure> or give it a moment to finish booting
20:00 < kanzure> paul graham is a total "social" geek
20:00 < kanzure> fairly disinterested in tech even in person
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20:02 < fenn> that's not surprising i guess.. running a startup business is mostly about being a salesman
20:02 < fenn> tub is up now, thanks
20:04 < kanzure> also, money is def. not the issue on that shopping cart you sent me
20:04 < kanzure> so now it's just a matter of me (1) getting money moved around (i.e. paypal) and (2) having the assistant do the actual order
20:04 < kanzure> oh maybe she can do #1 too
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20:10 < fenn> can i just get random crap for the dojo like a drill press, even though i dont need one right now?
20:10 < kanzure> why for the dojo?
20:11 < fenn> because it's silly to buy a drill press just for me?
20:11 < fenn> and i have nowhere to put it
20:11 < fenn> and i'd rather it be in the lab next to all the other tools
20:11 < kanzure> gah why don't we have HQ yet
20:11 < kanzure> can you just pick out a building for me to buy
20:11 < kanzure> kthx
20:12 < fenn> buy 140A s whisman, mountain view ca
20:12 < kanzure> california is expensive
20:12 < fenn> ok how about a castle in albania
20:13 < kanzure> fuck yeah? :)
20:13 < kanzure> actually..
20:13 < fenn> actually your mysterious investor already owns a castle in albania
20:14 < kanzure> O_o
20:15 < kanzure> "Former President Bill Clinton is one of the most accomplished networkers of all time. Even as a student, he'd write down the name, number and a few notes about everyone he met."
20:15 < kanzure> "He'd go over these notes, and years later if he met the person again, would bring up something from that initial meeting. By the time he ran for president, there were about 10,000 Friends of Bill."
20:15 < kanzure> that's all? 10k friends?
20:16 < genehacker> that's more than 1000 true fans...
20:16 < fenn> btw dunno if i shared this.. found it in the electronics cave yesterday: http://fennetic.net/irc/privateeye.jpg
20:16 < kanzure> WHAT? 9000?
20:16 < kanzure> oh shit you found a privateeye! :)
20:16 < kanzure> good find
20:16 < kanzure> michael wittig's friend "programmeratarms" wrote the linux drivers for that
20:16 < kanzure> for the Private Eye P4
20:16 < fenn> it uses a mini-ISA CGA graphics card :\
20:17 < genehacker> that is the mythical Private Eye?
20:18 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/privateeye2.jpg
20:18 < genehacker> GEEK CRED +1000 POINTS
20:18 < kanzure> huh with a manual
20:19 < genehacker> doesn't it display in red and you see stuff all green-looking afterward?
20:19 < genehacker> and it's only good for text
20:19 < fenn> omg this place has a logic analyzer but no dremel tool?
20:19 < genehacker> where is this place
20:19 < fenn> 140a s whisman rd, mountain view ca
20:20 < fenn> about 2 blocks south of the googleplex
20:20 < fenn> er, something like that
20:20 < genehacker> surplus store for old electronics crap?
20:20 < kanzure> "Clinton works assiduously at his friendships. When Loewe got back to Germany after his Fulbright time, the letters began, in Clinton's exquisite script. "Like works of art," says Loewe."
20:20 < kanzure> "and the regular summons to the gatherings of the clan of the FOBs."
20:20 < kanzure> "He was invited to the three-day party that Clinton threw at Oxford, which climaxed in a magnificently illegal all-night barbecue on the roof of venerable University College" meh
20:21 < fenn> sorry, 2 miles south of google.. a bit different eh
20:21 < genehacker> the one that has old windows OS disks in their original containers of evil?
20:21 < genehacker> the one that still has a Commodore 64 section?
20:22 < fenn> a BBQ doesn't sound "magnificently illegal" (unless they were BBQ'ing something unusual)
20:22 < kanzure> "They have also been, for two decades, Clinton's little-known asset, a private think tank with an extraordinary range of skills. The FOBs include foreign-policy specialists, economists and trade experts, health-care consultants and legal eagles, experts on European social policies and even Kremlinologists"
20:23 < genehacker> a barbecue on the roof of a college
20:23 < genehacker> you know there's a giant parabolic mirror on top of ETC building on the campus?
20:23 < genehacker> hmmmm......
20:24 < genehacker> just need a sunny day and something to barbecue....
20:24 < kanzure> someone at the ycombinator meetup recommended this: http://www.amazon.com/Never-Eat-Alone-Secrets-Relationship/dp/0385512058
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20:25 < kanzure> but i thought that was obvious
20:25 < genehacker> self-help books tend to have low success
20:25 < genehacker> according to some studies
20:25 < fenn> (give it a minute to upload) http://fennetic.net/irc/etc_roof_4031611781.jpg
20:26 < kanzure> self-help books largely help the authors
20:26 < kanzure> but "never eat alone" is, itself, good advice (the saying; i can't speak for the book with the title)
20:26 < genehacker> hmm...
20:27 < genehacker> I'm assuming you didn't take that picture fenn?
20:27 < fenn> nah it was some professor whose name i forgot
20:27 < genehacker> I really need to go up there sometime
20:28 < fenn> timothy silverman
20:28 < fenn> he has some other cool roof photos
20:28 < genehacker> I also need to figure out how to use fscking SR3d builder
20:29 < kanzure> tim is a professor? wtf
20:29 < kanzure> he has an office on the 3rd floor of etc, i thought he was a grad student
20:29 < fenn> is this the mirror you were talking about? http://www.flickr.com/photos/31143498@N03/4032363714/
20:29 < fenn> kanzure: he might be a grad student, i dunno
20:29 < kanzure> definitely a grad student
20:29 < kanzure> he was in here once, iirc
20:30 < genehacker> I have no idea fenn
20:30 < genehacker> I don't think so
20:30 < genehacker> how the heck did that get up there?
20:31 < genehacker> wonder if it's leftover from the coldwar or some prof got it to piss off the astronomers in the building over...
20:32 < kanzure> http://www.ohanda.org
20:33 < kanzure> http://www.gosh2009.ca/wiki/images/Ohanda_piksel.pdf
20:34 < kanzure> "OHANDA (Open Hardware and Design Alliance) is an initiative to foster sustainable sharing of open hardware and design. It was started at the GOSH!-Grounding Open Source Hardware summit at the Banff Centre in July 2009 and one of the first goals of the project is to build a repository for open hardware design which includes a certification model and a registration service."
20:34 < kanzure> Jürgen Neumann, Tuomo Tammenpãã, Gisle Frøysland, Bengt Sjölén
20:34 < kanzure> (08:35:34 PM) Brian Degger: onhandra is new, so its doing that strange thing of starting with a trademark (they are designers)
20:35 < kanzure> sigh
20:35 < kanzure> how are they different from harkopen, liquidware, bildr, actualhardware, unptnt, instructables, thingiverse, 
20:37 < kanzure> eh i guess that pdf explains it
20:44 < kanzure> (08:44:24 PM) Brian Degger: and now something totally different :http://simplemachines.it/index2.html a single board computer under TAPR OHL, at the 2 protypes + 100 sample board stage
20:46 < fenn> meh
20:46 < fenn> i forget, does the TAPR license actually work?
20:51 < hundred-ideas> hey, bildr *sounds* amazing... so is it vaporware?
20:51 < kanzure> the guy behind it, adam, is just some "designer"
20:51 < kanzure> all these designers are total fakes because they can't design worth shit
20:51 < kanzure> they just come up with graphics and art and call themselves design engineers
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20:52  * kanzure wishes people would realize that art is allowed to *do* stuff
20:52 < genehacker> heh
20:52 < fenn> check out the "spin" feature: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=17-366-014-TS&SpinSet=17-366-014-RS&ISList=17-366-014-Z01%2c17-366-014-Z02%2c17-366-014-Z03%2c17-366-014-Z04%2c17-366-014-Z05%2c17-366-014-Z06&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16817366014&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=SABRENT%20EC-UST25%20Aluminum%202.5%22%20USB2.0%20to%20SATA%20External%20Enclosure
20:52 < fenn> oh crap
20:52 < genehacker>  I can attest to that
20:52 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: i talked with adam (of bildr.org) over the phone
20:52 < fenn> http://tinyurl.com/yfxdwly
20:52 < kanzure> basically he has this svn-backend that he's been working on, but it's no where near ready, and he sounded interested in skdb
20:52 < genehacker> for example, making products that are thermodynamically impossible
20:53 < kanzure> but ultimately it seems like he's not interested in moving forward
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20:53 < JayDugger> Just lurking...ignore me, please.
20:53 < genehacker> spin feature?
20:53 < fenn> JayDugger: traditional lurking protocol dictates you just don't say anything
20:53 < genehacker> that's fairly old
20:53 < fenn> genehacker: the little scrubber on the bottom
20:54 < kanzure> JayDugger: doin it wrong
20:54 < fenn> is it? i've never seen it before (i havent been paying attention)
20:54 < genehacker> ???
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20:54 < genehacker> never seen it before?
20:54 < genehacker> I've seen it back when I was younger
20:54 < hundred-ideas> is unptnt dead?
20:55 < genehacker> back in 2000
20:55 < genehacker> I think
20:55 < genehacker> or 2002
20:55 < hundred-ideas> or unptnt = actualhardware?
20:55 < fenn> well, i want to do something like the spin thingy for skdb part previews
20:55 < genehacker> it's been around for years
20:55 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: unptnt is dead and =~ actualhardware
20:55 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: unptnt is basically dave rauchwerk's project, he's in the austin area and we hang out fairly frequently
20:56 < genehacker> well you'll have to get a special platform that rotates stuff and makes a camera take pictures
20:56 < kanzure> he's more than happy having me do all the work for him :P
20:56 < hundred-ideas> ohanda?
20:56 < hundred-ideas> oops I was at ohanda.com
20:56 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: ohanda is just some art project: http://www.gosh2009.ca/wiki/images/Ohanda_piksel.pdf
20:56 < hundred-ideas> and what do you think about ifixit?
20:57 < kanzure> looked like an instructables clone
20:57 < kanzure> but
20:57 < kanzure> if you're able to get a word in for skdb with it, i'd definitely be willing to do work
20:57 < kanzure> to make that happen
20:57 < fenn> the idea is "use trademark instead of copyright for copylefting hardware"
20:57 < fenn> i'm not a lawyer but i dont think it would work
20:57 < kanzure> heh
20:58 < kanzure> there was this guy at a bus stop today who looked *just like bre* and i asked him, "are you bre?"
20:58 < kanzure> he wasn't, but i explained who i thought he was anyway
20:58 < kanzure> turns out this guy has extensive knowledge of 3d printers
20:58 < kanzure> maybe it comes with the glasses and gray hair
20:58 < fenn> clones
20:58 < kanzure> AWESOME!~~3`4332rcdsa
20:58 < fenn> i'm convinced there was a secret cloning experiment in the 80's
20:59 < kanzure> note to mac: this is sarcasm.
20:59 < kanzure> please do not be like bre, ever
21:00 < kanzure> also i came across an interesting tidbit today- facebook friends are limited to 5k
21:01 < genehacker> he does?
21:01 < genehacker> odd
21:01 < genehacker> what a coincidence
21:01 < genehacker> maybe he's bre's doppelganger
21:01 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_hardware_projects
21:01 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: I think the skdb / gnuasha team needs to co-opt some of these designers
21:02 < hundred-ideas> you all want the same thing
21:02 < kanzure> http://www.gosh2009.ca/wiki/index.php/List_of_Open_Hardware_Projects
21:02 < hundred-ideas> and they have skills that could greatly enhance your efforts
21:02 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: yeah but nobody listens to me
21:02 < kanzure> i would love to work with them
21:03 < hundred-ideas> Ok.  Well, one of my few skills is outreach
21:03 < hundred-ideas> so... maybe we could have a big party.
21:03 < kanzure> well, look at the bottom
21:03 < kanzure> http://piksel.no/pipermail/gosh/2010-March/thread.html
21:03 < kanzure> in the time it took you to type those messages :P i already got a hold of 'em
21:03 < kanzure> so.. yeah
21:04 < kanzure> but maybe you could convince them or something
21:04 < kanzure> ooh ooh, convince zach hoeken while you're at it
21:04 < kanzure> pretty please?
21:04 < genehacker> you should have asked bre to take a message to Zach's secret mountain hideout
21:04 < JayDugger> There's also a tracking list at OSHBM Requested Contributors. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgY8iyNeuVgwdEY3MFFtUmFueFdlMXNLOHI0R1dhUmc&hl=en
21:05 < kanzure> oh right
21:05 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: have you seen that list?
21:05 < hundred-ideas> [reading...] no
21:05 < kanzure> actually, i know most of those people
21:05 < JayDugger> More generally, http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgY8iyNeuVgwdEY3MFFtUmFueFdlMXNLOHI0R1dhUmc&hl=en
21:05 < kanzure> what i really need is a list of people that i should be following up with that i don't already know
21:05 < kanzure> (some of these GOSH people are obvious people who should be on the list)
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21:07 < kanzure> what i really need from artsy peeps is some visual representation of "apt-get"
21:07 < kanzure> for goodness' sake, there is *no* diagram of "the process of apt-get"
21:07 < kanzure> jrayhawk: unless you know of one?
21:07 < JayDugger> Why not spend some grant money on that idea?
21:07 < JayDugger> It seems generally useful.
21:08 < kanzure> because i don't know anyone who has an idea for it yet
21:08 < JayDugger> See if Anders Sandberg will do it. He could, but I suspect you could find someone equally competent in your area.
21:08 < kanzure> anders does art?
21:08 < JayDugger> ?
21:08 < JayDugger> Yes.
21:08 < JayDugger> (So much for lurking.)
21:08 < kanzure> i'd be willing to put forward a reasonable bounty
21:09 < kanzure> because i've tried and tried, and just can't get anything
21:09 < JayDugger> Or Winchell Chung.
21:09 < JayDugger> Hang on, let me find some links...
21:09 < kanzure> i'm not familiar with chung
21:09 < JayDugger> Did the art for Ogre?
21:10 < JayDugger> And Attack Vector:Tactical?
21:10 < JayDugger> I appear to be the only wargamer here. :)
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21:10 < hundred-ideas> back. was reading http://piksel.no/pipermail/gosh/2010-March/000338.html.  Brian, you should publish that on skdb.org as an introductory essay.  It's the best exposition I have heard.
21:11 < kanzure> is it better than the video
21:11 < JayDugger> Different media, different messages?
21:12 < hundred-ideas> exactly.  writing requires more active involvement from the audience, too, and can be more efficient than video.  plus it will increase your googleability.
21:13 < hundred-ideas> as for visualizing apt-get, I have seen some cool visualizations of git workflows... probably some of the same visual models would work.
21:16 < kanzure> ok changed the page: http://gnusha.org/
21:18 < hundred-ideas> center the lower div containing the text
21:18 < hundred-ideas> plz.
21:18 < hundred-ideas> cheers to brian for reaching out for GOSH, btw.  
21:19 < kanzure> heh apt-get as a political statement: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sudo-apt-get-remove-mono-common.jpg
21:19 < kanzure> (mono-common has been infecting ubuntu karmic recently)
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21:22 < kanzure> so, forrest, jacob, letti, and another guy came over today from diybio-houston
21:22 < kanzure> it turns out that the reason they came down was me
21:22 < kanzure> so that was cool
21:25 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: http://gnusha.org/ better?
21:25 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: ... it's ok
21:26 < kanzure> i can't center it exactly because centering it would center each individual line
21:26 < kanzure> also, i suck at xhtml
21:27 < hundred-ideas> use this as the style: timoreilly
21:27 < hundred-ideas> oooops
21:27 < hundred-ideas> no no no don't use timoreilly
21:28 < hundred-ideas> style="width:600px; margin:auto;"
21:28  * hundred-ideas works in firefox.
21:28 < hundred-ideas> anyway, how was meeting jacob?
21:29 < kanzure> went well
21:29 < kanzure> i'm in firefox and this looks painful: http://gnusha.org/
21:29 < hundred-ideas> (maybe even use 550px as width)
21:30 < kanzure> ah, better
21:34 < hundred-ideas> ok anyway, so how is Jacob's incubator startup thing developing?
21:34 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure it's going to morph into the gnusha co-op/incubator even if not in brand
21:35 < kanzure> basically a lot of people are having this same idea, so i see no reason to separate the initiatives per-se
21:35 < hundred-ideas> cool
21:35 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: http://ikiwiki.info/ i don't think you've seen this yet
21:36 < kanzure> but basically the idea is to embed the hardware's wiki inside the .git dev repository
21:36 < kanzure> then you just take the .git where-ever you want and host it however you'd like
21:36 < kanzure> so having an incubator sponsor these repositories, or projects that build on top of open source hardware, etc., is good
21:37 < kanzure> getting discounts on co-op hardware/kits is doable too for kickstarter-like-projects
21:37 < kanzure> lots of opportunity :)
21:38 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: have you read that skdb update email before? i think i sent it to you in january
21:38 < kanzure> but it has a good overview of what i think would make a good incubator/co-op rigup
21:38 < hundred-ideas> maybe, but it's so long I may not have retained all of it
21:42 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: also there's http://oshwbank.org/ and http://cloudfab.com/ to add to the list of "name squatters in the open source hardware space" (i.e. people not doin' it :( right)
21:51 < hundred-ideas> is oshwbank the same as liquidhardware?
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21:51 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: no
21:59 < hundred-ideas> so what's the latest w/ OSHBM?
22:00 < kanzure> i have an MBA grad dood looking it over and coming up with some way to better present the market data
22:00 < kanzure> (cam houser)
22:01 < JayDugger> Found a use for his skills? 
22:04 < hundred-ideas> Have you mailed me the prospectus?
22:04 < hundred-ideas> I recall a large google doc...
22:05 < kanzure> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad_WP5lmDYDzZHQ4MmZxMl8xM2ZrMmZjOWZ0&hl=en
22:05 < kanzure> if that links doesn't work, try: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad_WP5lmDYDzZHQ4MmZxMl8xM2ZrMmZjOWZ0&hl=en
22:05 < kanzure> hm that's the same link
22:06 < kanzure> i'd like to iron things out with jacob, joseph, vitaly, etc. on what they want the incubator/co-op to feel like before i move forward (so in the mean time i have the business mathy stuff getting more concrete)
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22:08 < kanzure> opensciencefund.org doesn't play directly into the co-op/incubator model (at least by name) but i think jacob's behind it either way
22:08 < kanzure> there's def. support from diybio-houston on it
22:15 < hundred-ideas> hah the pdf printout of the gnusha gdoc is 113 pages
22:16 < kanzure> there's a lot of white space
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22:19 < JayDugger> Time to commute. Good night, all. 
22:19 < kanzure> night
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22:38 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: flying people out for a conference costs a lot
22:38 < kanzure> let's say it costs the average participant $1k overall for the whole event
22:38 < hundred-ideas> yep
22:38 < kanzure> for 100 people, that's $100,000 that would have been better spent..
22:40 < kanzure> let's start with just getting them to chat on IRC :P
22:41 < katsmeow> they may prefer to spend $1k on flying than dl an irc client :-/
22:42 < kanzure> wtf
22:43 < kanzure> pay a kid $0.50 to install one, geebus
22:43 < kanzure> jeebus? geebus?
22:44 < katsmeow> i dunno <shrug>
22:51 < hundred-ideas> you're perspective on how the world should work and how people should act is respected but by no means shared
22:52 < genehacker> hmmm...
22:52 < katsmeow> "your are perspective...." ?
22:52 < genehacker> I think I just found an exponential
22:52 < katsmeow> lol
22:52 < genehacker> http://sites.google.com/site/cirospictures/787MaterialLay-downRates.jpg
22:52 < hundred-ideas> whoops, your
22:52 < hundred-ideas> getting late here
22:52 < katsmeow> ditto
22:53 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: that's like saying "people should give me $100k because it makes no sense to you"
22:53 < hundred-ideas> anyway, kanzure, I encourage you to post a scenario outlining how a virtual event might work.  It could be really cool - if everyone payed $500 to participate (instead of buying a flight, as you suggested), who knows how we could more efficiently use the money
22:54 < kanzure> i'd be willing to host and organize said event if you'd like
22:54 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: no it's not.  I'm not saying anyone should do anything, actually, and furthermore, the money wouldn't be going to me.  You're just being inflammatory.
22:54  * katsmeow smells a flame war
22:54 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: said event needs more elaboration.  I will elaborate on a physical meet-up if you will provide an alternative scenario with a more compelling use of the hypothetical travel costs
22:58 < kanzure> i think $100k could cover the equipment cost of 20 labs over
22:58 < kanzure> *diybio labs
23:01 < hundred-ideas> cool, all we need is a coherent vision
23:01 < hundred-ideas> good luck
23:01 < hundred-ideas> I'm off to bed
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23:07 < kanzure> uh oh mac is starting to sound like eliezer
23:07 < kanzure> coherent extrapolated visionlition
23:07 < kanzure> *volition
23:07 < kanzure> same thing
23:07 < kanzure> http://singinst.org/upload/CEV.html
23:52 < kanzure> http://sachachua.com/wp/2006/09/networking-is-about-being-memorable-the-art-of-the-deep-bump/