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02:29 < Utopiah> http://hackaday.com/2010/03/18/ditch-the-lps-and-build-your-own-3d-scanner/
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07:17 < kanzure> john wilbanks replied
07:20 < kanzure> http://www.thewildca.com/anim/Fredkin.gif
07:20 < kanzure> http://www.thewildca.com/anim/rockstick.gif
07:22 < kanzure> http://www.thewildca.com/anim/core.gif
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07:32 < ybit> kanzure: wasn't there something named genko?
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07:42 < ybit> ah, genshi
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08:08 < Utopiah> http://infosthetics.com/archives/2010/03/babies_now_crawling_in_infographical_data.html
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08:33 < kanzure> http://littlebits.cc/ "This video introduces littleBits, a growing library of preassembled circuitboards, made easy by tiny magnets!"
08:34 < kanzure> there's a list of names on the bottom left, please stalk
08:36 < kanzure> they call david cuartielles a "software creator" specifically
08:36 < kanzure> and not "programmer"
08:36 < kanzure> hmmmm
08:49 < kanzure> breast cancer risk snps: http://thegenesherpa.blogspot.com/2010/03/snps-for-breast-cancer-risk-it-depends.html
09:08 < kanzure> sent an email to john wilbanks @ creative commons
09:09 < kanzure> and ayah ddeir at littlebits.cc
09:09 < ybit> that's very neat, thanks for the linkage
09:11 < kanzure> what are you doing here?
09:12 < ybit> idling and answering random questions like so
09:14 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0cz78mCnfE :: pytyle
09:17 < kanzure> oh ayah is female http://www.ayahbdeir.com/about/
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09:23 < kanzure> "new images of the ben nanonote are out!"
09:23 < kanzure> is it bad that i first thought of photos?
09:42 < kanzure> fenn: the bits you missed http://designfiles.org/~bryan/2010-03-18-reprap-sbailard.log
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10:07 < kanzure> heh, this is how my mom thinks of canada: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1588498&cid=31535792
10:10 < kanzure> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1588498&cid=31535242
10:17 < kanzure> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1588498&cid=31535578
10:48 < katsmeow-afk> "D-Shape, an innovative new 3-D printer, builds solid structures like sculptures, furniture, even buildings from the ground up. The device relies on sand and magnesium glue to actually build structures layer by layer from solid stone. The designer, Enrico Dini, is even talking with various organizations about making the printer compatible with moon dust, paying the way for an instant moonbase!"
10:49 < Utopiah> not that innovative
10:49 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.inhabitat.com/2010/03/17/3-d-printer-creates-entire-buildings-from-solid-rock/
10:50 < katsmeow-afk> it's the "3-D" part that got my  interest, i wonder how they created overhangs
10:50 < katsmeow-afk> and then, how they disassembled the entire "solod rock" to glue it back together again
10:51 < Utopiah> (as there was http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~minides/ and http://craft.usc.edu/ before)
10:52 < katsmeow-afk> did they use solid rock, and shove it thru a printhead?
10:53 < katsmeow-afk> "His giant 3-D printer is the first of its kind with the potential to print whole buildings, and it makes them out of solid rock"
10:53 < katsmeow-afk> still hung on the solid rock part
10:54 < Utopiah> I thought it was supposed to be layers of sand
10:56 < katsmeow-afk> they make WITH layers of sand, but say they make FROM solid rock
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10:57 < nsh--> guys, anyone know of a tool to create slideshows of document revision (in particular, code with highlighting)?
10:57 < nsh--> i want to make some tutorials to help out people on my programming course
10:57 < nsh--> and a nice slideshow format showing the progressive changes to the code would be easier for them to follow than flat comments
11:03 < drazak> kanzure: you ever notice how up and down DIYBio is?
11:03 < drazak> kanzure: some days there's all kinds of chatter
11:04 < drazak> kanzure: and some days there's nothing?
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12:39 < kanzure> drazak: what's even creepier is that it matches my own communication cycling: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2010-01-01_to_2010-02-25.png
12:53 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/email_distribution.dat
12:54 < kanzure> these numbers are rather low for people that i otherwise thought i kept up with..'
12:58 < kanzure> on the other hand it says that i have sent 241 emails to om (instead of groups.google.com which counts at 1.2k)
13:00 < kanzure> "sent 0 emails to Phreedom" how sad
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13:34 < Phreedom> :)
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14:20 < fenn> debs for heekscnc, testing requested http://highlab.com/~seb/heeks/
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14:54 < fenn> well this is neato http://www.openphotovr.org/  "3d transitions between photos"
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14:59 < kanzure> fenn: hey could you stalk jon philips in your area? thanks
15:00 < kanzure> he does open clip art, and that "statusnet" thing that you thought sounded pretty cool
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15:00 < kanzure> and open source hardware sorta-kinda
15:00 < kanzure> bah
15:00 < kanzure> fine, be that
15:00 < kanzure> *that way
15:04 < drazak> rofl
15:06 < kanzure> my inbox is staying relatively stable at 66666 unread emails
15:06 < kanzure> heh someone made the epilog laser cutter play super mario themes with the servos http://newstoday.smashits.com/video/ZZhdQjPAc9g/laser-your-credit-cards.html
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15:19 < kanzure> 16:59 < kanzure> fenn: hey could you stalk jon philips in your area? thanks
15:47 < fenn> fabricatorz.com eh
15:49 < fenn> oh it's rejon
15:53 < Utopiah> rather misleading vocabulary 
16:05 < fenn> kanzure: why am i stalking rejon again?
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16:13 < fenn> heh overheard from todd huffman, "they said 'no you cant email us the receipts, you have to print it out and scan it and send us the scan'"
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16:33 < fenn> look it's not twitter i swear http://fenn.status.net/
16:34 < kanzure> um are you sure?
16:34 < kanzure> "a micro-blogging service" lookks like twitter to me
16:34 < kanzure> "fenn is a microblogging service brought to you by Status.net. It runs the StatusNet microblogging software"
16:39 < kanzure> todd hangs out at langton labs?
16:40 < fenn> i think he lives there 50% of the time
16:40 < fenn> he's packing up for afghanistan right now
16:41 < fenn> piles of power over ethernet, radio transmitters, and camera gear
16:42 < kanzure> what about the piles of ak47s :(
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17:48 < kanzure> http://www.airstash.com/
17:48 < kanzure> http://www.eye.fi/
17:48 < kanzure> isn't there one that picasso/google uses?
18:06 < fenn> eye.fi uploads to picasa/flickr
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18:35 < fenn> omg fire safety cabinets are fucking expensive
18:37 < genehacker> ???
18:37 < genehacker> storing something flammable?
18:41 < fenn> hacker dojo people are being lame
18:41 < fenn> 1 kg of sodium persulfate
18:44 < Noahj> Fireproof safes are like $130 
18:44 < Noahj> ...are they not fireproof from the inside?
18:44 < Noahj> Or is that what you meant by expensive?
18:46 < drazak> sodium persulfate?
18:46 < drazak> we have like 3 kilos at the lab
18:46 < drazak> and we have no fireproof cabinents
18:46 < drazak> or rather we have one, but we keep lame stuff like methanol in it
18:46 < drazak> if you put it in solution it's not flamable, but then you have to freeze it, and I don't know how much freezer space you have
18:54 < fenn> flammables cabinets are like $500-1000
18:55 < fenn> drazak: freeze it?
18:59 < drazak> fenn: AP (3 or 5% for WB) goes bad in 3-6 months in the fridge, a week or two on the counter
19:00 < drazak> fenn: it just doesn't work, it decomposes
19:00 < drazak> fenn: so you need to freeze
19:00 < drazak> er, freeze it
19:01 < kanzure> seeing this in action is cool https://etacts.com/media/js/controllers/import/simpleimport.js
19:02 < kanzure> i think i'll steal it for the animated tag cloud 
19:14 < drazak> I hate this laptop
19:15 < kanzure> the laptop probably hates you
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19:40 < drazak> well, it's impossible to use it on my lap, as a ball warmer, and use my headphones at the same time
19:42 < katsmeow> :-/
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19:46 < drazak> part of that might be due to the fact I have a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter on the 'phones
19:56 < kanzure> ed boyden labslave: http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Annabelle_C._Singer
19:57 < kanzure> "The neurotech industry is already substantial and growing rapidly, accounting for more than $130 billion in revenues in 2007, according to a November report in the journal Nature that cited the MIT class."
19:57 < kanzure> "n the same year, the report said, venture capitalists invested more than $1.7 billion in new businesses in the sector."
19:58  * kanzure needs to adjust his brain
19:58 < kanzure> $1B of business isn't much these days (apparently)
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20:26 < fenn> "neurotech" means what now?
20:39 < kanzure> hahah `A "pump party" involves groups of transgendered men getting together to  illegally inject silicone in an effort to make their lips, hips, cheeks and buttocks look more feminine and avoid the cost and scrutiny of legitimate medical treatment. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of transgendered men have attended "pump parties." `
20:39 < kanzure> illegally inject silicone! oh noes!
20:40 < katsmeow> wait a min,, weren't there a dozen women admitted to hospital for getting their butts injected with silicone caulk at such a party last week?
20:41 < katsmeow> not "women" as in "men", afaik
20:52 < kanzure> yeah, i don't know when "women" became synonymous with "men" either
20:58 < fenn> they're not that different really
20:58 < fenn> also i think you're supposed to inject collagen, not silicone
20:58 < kanzure> heh heh
20:58 < kanzure> mistake #1
20:59 < fenn> also, is "making their x's look more feminine" really "legitimate medical treatment" by any definition?
21:01 < kanzure> yeah transgendered folks get their surgeries and hormones covered by insurance
21:04 < katsmeow> real women get **planned** pregnancies covered too <shrug>
21:04 < katsmeow> no other insurance coveres planned events, like arson
21:04 < kanzure> you mean if the fire gets put out? or if it's successful
21:04 < kanzure> kinda ambiguous
21:05 < katsmeow> plan to get pregnant, insurance pays
21:05 < katsmeow> plan to burn car down, nothing pays
21:05 < kanzure> yeah, hospital bills for a birth are like $20k for anything they consider 'decent'
21:06 < katsmeow> "but i had full replacement coverage on that car!" "that's why you're going to jail!"
21:06 < katsmeow> i disagree that pregnancies should be covered, not till your own arson is also covered
21:07 < katsmeow> same for getting a buttload of window caulk too
21:07 < kanzure> just call him "my little firecracker"
21:08 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Professional_Association_for_Transgender_Health
21:08 < kanzure> where's my damn WPA of transhuman health
21:09 < katsmeow> "congress"
21:09 < kanzure> "In addition, other non-surgical procedures are also considered medically necessary treatments by WPATH, including facial electrolysis."
21:09 < kanzure> facial *wut*
21:09 < kanzure> oh, hair removal
21:10 < katsmeow> wait, ftm don't have faicial hair to remove
21:11 < kanzure> "A growing number of public and commercial health insurance plans in the United States now contain defined benefits covering sex reassignment related procedures"
21:12 < katsmeow> vs
21:12 < katsmeow> In response to questions about medical necessity of transgender treatments and sex reassignment surgery, particularly in the U.S.A., where insurance exclusions often prevent access to health care for transgender people, 
21:13 < katsmeow> my quote was from http://www.wpath.org/ , where was your's from?
21:14 < kanzure> wikipedia wpath article :(
21:14 < kanzure> http://www.hrc.org/issues/transgender/9568.htm
21:15 < katsmeow> hmm
21:15 < kanzure> "more than 50 percent of transgender people did not have any form of health insurance"
21:16  * katsmeow nods
21:16 < katsmeow> i wonder if the health debate in congress now will cover them
21:25 < fenn> because nobody will hire transgendered people for any decent jobs
21:26 < katsmeow> no one hires disabled people too
21:26 < kanzure> nah, they are legally obligated to hire disablies
21:26 < fenn> at least you have the ADA
21:26 < katsmeow> no, they aren't, and most get away wirh firing disabled people
21:26 < katsmeow> ADA never did anything for me or anyone i ever met
21:27 < kanzure> the only disability you have is 
21:27 < kanzure> insert witty comments here
21:27 < fenn> FAIL
21:27 < katsmeow> partially broken back
21:28 < katsmeow> there's tons of jobs anyone can do that aren't interfacing to the public, but i dunno how you'd go about getting tg/ts peoples into those jobs
21:29 < fenn> i dont really see what the big deal is
21:30 < katsmeow> same as with any sex issue "that's a man's job" "really? show me the penis detector on these tools?"
21:30 < kanzure> um
21:30 < kanzure> no
21:30 < fenn> like, if you put down "we didnt hire this person because they're ugly" it's not ok, but "this person didn't fit our expectations of how a person should look" is suddenly ok?
21:30 < katsmeow> fenn, actually, epople get fired for that all the time
21:30 < kanzure> that's basically what it boils down to
21:31 < fenn> kat	sure but they' don't come right out and say it
21:31 < katsmeow> models 10lbs overweight, IBM once hired men only over 6ft tall, etc
21:31 < kanzure> fenn: i think they do say it about the transsex'd though
21:31 < kanzure> only over 6ft eh?
21:31  * kanzure shines his boots
21:32 < fenn> no company would get away with that these days
21:32 < katsmeow> they wanted the sales reps to look down from inposing authoritative heights onto the targe,, i mean clients
21:32 < fenn> association of people with short person syndrome would be all over them
21:32 < kanzure> if the guy in gattaca could fake his identity, ...
21:32 < kanzure> actually, a lot of actors are really good at playing opposite genders
21:32 < kanzure> michael j. fox for instance (wtf? yeah..)
21:32 < fenn> in what movie?
21:32 < katsmeow> he played a girl?
21:33 < kanzure> back to the future, apparently all the women were him
21:33 < katsmeow> lol!
21:33 < katsmeow> nope
21:33 < fenn> huh. like eddie murphy i guess
21:33 < kanzure> oh except for the hot one
21:34 < kanzure> i think i should go away now
21:34 < kanzure> the laughing hurts too much
21:34 < katsmeow> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088763/
21:35 < kanzure> hm
21:36 < kanzure> i need new anime, suggestions? 
21:36 < kanzure> this is my presently filtered list: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/anime-to-watch
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21:50 < fenn> you haven't seen haruhi suzumiya?
21:50 < fenn> or is that list "things i've watched already"?
21:52 < kanzure> option three, unorganized list of recommendations not sorted by whether or not i've seen them
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21:54 < fenn> bah
21:59 < kanzure> it's because the list of seens is too embarassingly short
21:59 < kanzure> *embarrassingly
22:00 < fenn> that's a stupid thing to be embarrassed about
22:00 < fenn> is it a list of "things i have on my hard drive"?
22:00 < kanzure> no :(
22:04 < fenn> kanzure: http://pastebin.ca/1846388
22:05 < fenn> that's not necessarily "best manga ever" but more like awesome/obscurity ratio
22:05 < fenn> or maybe it is
22:07 < fenn> i've started keeping track of all movies i can remember watching (to accompany all books i remember reading):  http://pastebin.ca/1846389
22:07 < fenn> somehow anime didnt make it on that list
22:07 < fenn> oh wait it did
22:09 < fenn> i need to hurry up with this wearable camera stuff.. rawr
22:10 < kanzure> "and some stuff about airplanes"
22:11 < kanzure> tenchi muyo was good?
22:12 < fenn> hum yeah i have positive memories of it. i had sort of an obsession with ryouko for a while
22:14 < kanzure> fenn: it wasn't "matrix 4" but "animatrix" i think
22:14 < QuantumG> food dependence has to be the stupidest national behavior of the modern era
22:15 < QuantumG> why are our people starving?  we grow lots of cotton/coffee!
22:19 < QuantumG> 80% of undernourished people are farmers......
22:21 < genehacker> what? put farmers in the matrix?
22:22 < genehacker> oh so you watched eden kanzure?
22:22 < genehacker> Now if we could only get a juiz for SKDB...
22:24 < fenn> kanzure: i hate it when they change names and it's just a sequel
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22:43 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/gel_survey.dat
22:43 < kanzure> i blame igem for the over-representation of university labs
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22:58 < kanzure> "Sugar-Based Synthesis of Tamiflu and Its Inhibitory Effects on Cell Secretion"
23:00 < kanzure> "Mr. Vinay Gidwaney, Research Affiliate, Synthetic Neurobiology Group .. where he is developing software development kits that could alter brain functions"
23:01 < kanzure> http://www.emtechindia.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/EmTechAgenda_050310_P6-18.pdf
23:01 < kanzure> http://www.emtechindia.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/emtech_india-2010_march_7.pdf
23:18 < kanzure> i've only met 20 new email address contact people over the past 3mo? i think etacts.com is fudging numbers
23:22 < kanzure> http://genoblasts.com/
23:22 < kanzure> diybio-maryland
23:32 < kanzure> oh it's spidermanboy
23:33 < kanzure> http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ has a 403 forbidden error 
23:33 < kanzure> also, i've been getting tons of signals that lots of people other than genehacker want to do a DNA synthesizer via DMD micromirror array now
23:52 < fenn> hopefully at least one of them will be able to get the required chemicals and components
23:58 < fenn> "It's a chicken and egg problem: if there were already a culture of people regularly working with chemicals at the
23:58 < fenn> Dojo, then it would not be an issue because there would be more people around who were qualified to keep an eye on
23:58 < fenn> things and help respond to incidents."