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00:52 < fenn> gazopa seems to suck much less than tineye if you're not looking for an exact match
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01:11 < fenn> kanzure: what's the difference between tags.html and clouds/#hplusroadmap.html?
01:12 < fenn> besides just limiting th dataset
01:12 < fenn> i think you should do a big graph (network) instead of multiple little files
01:19 < fenn> wtf why does bre pettis have so much cool "recommended tags and things to talk about" but i get crap :(
01:21 < fenn> jkridner is lira.lg?
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01:34 < fenn> QuantumG: someone was experimenting with running beagleboard on 3.6V lithium batteries, but they had problems with crashing, but then they tried 5V regulated from two batteries in series and had the same problem, so probably they did something wrong
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02:52 < fenn> http://www.gaffta.org/2010/03/20/information-is-beautiful/
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03:13 < kanzure> fenn: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/fenn_out
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05:22 < jkridner|work> fenn?
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08:05 < kanzure> stalk: Bill Erickson <bill.erickson@gmail.com>
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10:55 < kanzure> can someone explain to me why there's no up/down vote on twitter? or no competitor that already does that
10:56 < Utopiah> that's kinda what RT does, it's an UP vote somehow
11:04 < kanzure> what? i thought fungi already did horizontal gene transfer http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100317144634.htm
11:04 < kanzure> "This capability was believed to be possible, but rare, in fungi."
11:04 < kanzure> "In the new study, based on a genome-wide analysis of three Fusarium species, it was shown experimentally that complete chromosomes were being transferred between different fungal strains, along with the ability to cause infection."
11:05 < kanzure> cool, horizontal chromosome transfer 8)
11:05 < kanzure> wtf it's an army of authors http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7287/full/nature08850.html
11:07 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/Comparative%20genomics%20reveals%20mobile%20pathogenicity%20chromosomes%20in%20Fusarium.pdf
11:08 < kanzure> i wonder if the individual chromosomes are pathogenic themselves
11:08 < kanzure> i.e. encoding virulence proteins that specifically transfer the chromosome to the next cell
11:08 < kanzure> viral chromosomes?
11:13 < Utopiah> Dawkin and his selfish gene would entertain that idea
11:35 < kanzure> rfid and hackerspace badges
11:35 < kanzure> http://www.gumbolabs.org/2009/10/17/parallax-rfid-reader-arduino/
11:35 < kanzure> http://www.gumbolabs.org/2010/02/05/rfid-ethernet-shield-client-rails/
11:44 < kanzure> building an electrocardiograph http://www.eng.utah.edu/~jnguyen/ecg/instructions.html
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12:13 < kanzure> weird discussion http://studentdevelopers.ning.com/forum/topics/is-open-source-hardware-pulls
12:13 < kanzure> "
12:13 < kanzure> "Hi friends, nowadays a concept "OPEN SOURCE HARDWARE" popularised among the computer people. How that concept change the world and What are the future of the Open Source Hardware?. Let we discuiss about it..
12:13 < kanzure> "
12:13 < kanzure> a response from someone else says "
12:13 < kanzure> a response from someone else says "    yes opensource hardware is pulls the world
12:13 < kanzure> huh how did that happen. i definitely didn't write that twice
12:15 < kanzure> someone named "joseph" wants to make an open source driving helmet http://cdiver.ning.com/forum/topics/an-idea-an-open-source-diving
12:16 < kanzure> (the page is useless and not worth reading)
12:16 < kanzure> s/driving/diving/
12:18 < kanzure> http://hydraraptor.blogspot.com/2010/03/making-mendel.html
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12:22 < fenn> jkridner|work: ug.. sorry, my mom is in town and she's dragging me to the beach
12:22 < fenn> woe is me :P
12:23 < kanzure> how do you pronounce moseley?
12:25 < kanzure> meh nevermind
13:28 < kanzure> i wonder if there's a debian package maintainer appreciation day or something
13:29 < bkero-legacy> kanzure: Nah, you just buy them beer when you meet them at conferences.
13:31 < kanzure> this isn't for their benefit
14:03 < kanzure> jkridner|work: are you around?
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14:11 < kanzure> fenn is asking for your phone number
14:12 < ybit> me?
14:12 < kanzure> ybit: no you just stepped in at the wrong time
14:12 < ybit> i see, bkero
14:12 < kanzure> no
14:13 < ybit> i give up then 
14:13 < ybit> jkridner|work: 
14:13 < ybit> got it
14:13  * ybit pats himself on the back
14:13 < kanzure> ftr, i have both you and bkero's number anyway
14:13 < ybit> i figured
14:15 < kanzure> eh: http://shotofjaq.org/2010/02/hardware-on-rails
14:15 < kanzure> i wonder why http://makershed.com/ hasn't become more popular
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14:30 < kanzure> http://wiki.eth-0.nl/index.php/LackRack
14:35 < kanzure> finally got a response from ayah bdeir re: CC/"opening hardware"
14:38 < jkridner|work> ybit?
14:38 < jkridner|work> hi kanzure.
14:38 < kanzure> jkridner|work: fenn was asking for your number a few minutes ago :/
14:38 < jkridner|work> ah.
14:39 < jkridner|work> k, I posted it to him.
14:39 < kanzure> he's on the beach right now, can you PM it to me?
14:39 < kanzure> thanks
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15:03 < kanzure> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Patent_Tools_Public_Discussion
15:03 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Research_Non-Assertion_Pledge
15:04 < kanzure> "The GreenXchange (GX) is a clearinghouse for know-how, patent pledges, and patent licenses related to sustainability. Companies participating in the GX will be able to make both patented and unpatented innovations ("know-how") available for research uses and commercialization on standard and transparent terms and conditions. "
15:05 < kanzure> "The CAMBIA project in Australia pioneered an "open" patent project called BIOS for use on agricultural and biotechnology inventions, IBM dedicated the Non-Assertion Against Open Source Software for open source software, and the World Business Council for Sustainable Development has developed the Eco-Patent Commons."
15:05 < kanzure> "Linux Patent Commons use patent pledges (non-assertions) exclusively, for both commercial and non-commercial uses"
15:05 < kanzure> "By contrast, the Research Non-Assertion Pledge of GX is targeted specifically for non-profit research, while the patent licenses offer a path to commercial applications."
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15:09 < kanzure> section 3.4 worries me http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Research_Non-Assertion_Pledge
15:11 < kanzure> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-patents
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15:36 < kristianpaul> patent license?
15:36 < Utopiah> (tecosystems >> Why I Am Against Software Patents http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/03/19/software-patents/ March 19, 2010)
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15:57 < Utopiah> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
16:00 < kanzure> i prefer baez's other content
16:01 < Utopiah> there was another theroretical physic prof. with a similar page... with a yellow background, but I can't remember it
16:02 < kanzure> maybe 't hooft
16:04 < Utopiah> I dont think s
16:04 < kanzure> "30 points for suggesting that a famous figure secretly disbelieved in a theory which he or she publicly supported. (E.g., that Feynman was a closet opponent of special relativity, as deduced by reading between the lines in his freshman physics textbooks.) "
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16:13 < QuantumG> "disbelieved in"
16:27 < kanzure> http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit
16:27 < Utopiah> MindTouch Top 20 List of Open-Source Leaders http://www.flickr.com/photos/39372736@N04/4437525594/
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16:47 < bkero-legacy> Why is my boss not on that list? :(
16:52 < kanzure> who is your boss
16:52 < kanzure> mainland china service availability http://www.google.com/prc/report.html#hl=en
16:53 < Utopiah> lol, when Ads turns "Blocked" the rest will turn "No way."
16:55 < bkero-legacy> kanzure: Lance Albertson :P
16:55 < bkero-legacy> We host about half the projects on that list
16:56  * bkero-legacy is sitting about 10 feet from kernel.org and drupal.org.
16:56  * bkero-legacy is having beer with the kernel.org admin next week
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18:26  * any03917913 senses deja vu again
18:27 < kanzure> JayDugger: thanks for the email
18:36 < kanzure> "Please vote for Buzz Aldrin who just danced on Dancing with Stars. Text 3407 or go to abc.com to vote. Honestly, he wasn't very good as a dancer but we had 10 minutes if pro space on national tv. Text 3407. Go Buzz!!  Pass it on!! "
18:36 < kanzure> O_o
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20:13 < kanzure> blah
20:13 < kanzure> what to do
20:13 < kanzure> i've had a headache for the past ~30h
20:13 < kanzure> just generally "being sick"
20:13 < kanzure> it's kinda hard to concentrate or do anything
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20:51 < fenn> gosh the LACK-rack IKEA server cabinet sure is cheap ($8)
20:52 < fenn> i should get some for the dojo (piles of server stuff laying around everywhere, big mess)
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20:56 < fenn> "Following ICT tradition, the Enterprise Edition is more than three times as expensive, while providing less stability than two of the regular products combined. "
21:00 < fenn> i love the instruction manual: http://eth-0.nl/lackrack.pdf
21:02 < kanzure> fyi i found it via googling for "hardware on rails" in quotes
21:03 < fenn> this thing's hanging in langton labs: http://www.instructables.com/id/Big-lamps-from-Ikea-lampan-lamps./
21:09 < kanzure> does langton labs charge membership fees?
21:12 < fenn> rent
21:12 < fenn> and bills and stuff
21:12 < fenn> it's not a hackerspace
21:13 < kanzure> joseph jackson has started up on his scheme again to do a hackerspace
21:13 < kanzure> but he won't call it a hackerspace for some reason
21:13 < kanzure> even though that's what it is..
21:13 < kanzure> i am really starting to dislike membership fees
21:13 < kanzure> rent is ok if you get to i.e. actually live there
21:13 < fenn> because all the hackerspaces are wussy about doing biology
21:13 < kanzure> why aren't they wussy about PGP
21:14 < kanzure> ITER, rawr!
21:14 < fenn> it's not illegal anymore
21:14 < kanzure> minor detail
21:14 < fenn> of course neither is etching circuits with peroxide :]
21:15 < kanzure> are you allowed to do hackerspace stuff at langton labs?
21:15 < fenn> omg why does everyone have to email me at the same time
21:15 < kanzure> that happens to me too
21:15 < kanzure> and i have the fucking graphs to prove it
21:15 < fenn> peretz is assembling this wooden moving sculpture that is packed full of thermite
21:15 < fenn> so, uh, yeah i guess you're "allowed"
21:16 < kanzure> well
21:16 < kanzure> eh
21:17 < kanzure> is it so terrible that i dislike membership fees?
21:17 < kanzure> it feels like i'm up against a moral wallor something
21:17 < kanzure> *wall or something
21:17 < kanzure> "what! no membership fee? you must be killed!"
21:19 < fenn> without owning the space i dont really see how you can keep it going without fees of some sort
21:20 < fenn> and landlords almost never are cool enough to just let people do whatever in a space
21:20 < kanzure> imho owning isn't a big issue
21:20 < kanzure> well, owning in the middle of LA is an issue >:o
21:20 < kanzure> you people and your crazy schemes
21:20 < fenn> huh? owning anything in a city is difficult
21:21 < fenn> crazy people and their laws
21:21 < kanzure> extra constraints
21:21 < fenn> this is where katsmeow jumps in and starts ranting about humans
21:22 < kanzure> $100k/year should be more than enough to do this right
21:22 < fenn> yeah but where do you get that from?
21:22 < kanzure> *ahem*
21:22 < kanzure> god damn it
21:23 < any03917913> <rant><rant><rant>
21:24 < kanzure> </rant>
21:24 < kanzure> in b4 ur done
21:24 < kanzure> ALSO fenn i still haven't registered on paypal for some reason
21:24 < kanzure> today i get to blame it on my health
21:26 < genehacker> fenn I believe you mean evil HOAs
21:27 < fenn> er, not really
21:28 < fenn> home owner's association makes me think of some suburb with beige houses that all look alike
21:28 < fenn> regulating the height of grass so all the lawns look the same
21:28 < fenn> that's not the sort of place for a hackerspace anyway
21:29 < kanzure> i'm in ur lawn hacking ur grazz?
21:31 < genehacker> oh oh, genetically modified grass pollen to turn grass purple
21:32 < fenn> genetically modified dandelions that produce THC, glow green, and are resistant to all pesticides
21:34 < QuantumG> heat resistant too
21:34 < genehacker> round-up ready dandelions, oh man, you found away to break a patent there too
21:34 < genehacker> *break patent law
21:36 < genehacker> now I wonder if one could extract that gene from food products
21:36 < fenn> STOP! shower time.
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21:56 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/IMG_0177.JPG http://fennetic.net/irc/IMG_0208.JPG http://fennetic.net/irc/IMG_0213.JPG
22:00 < fenn> digital zoom sucks
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22:33 < kanzure> apparently joseph jackson is my target demographic for 1kfriend.ly
22:33 < kanzure> "i just cut and paste emails together"
22:33 < kanzure> and we've always suspected paul fernhout already has this system for himself
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23:02 < fenn> i dont get why my camera takes noisier images with a higher ISO setting
23:03 < fenn> and the shutter speed is longer for lower ISO settings
23:05 < fenn> ok i guess that's how it's supposed to be
23:53 < fenn> "deluxe Make: electronics toolkit" is actually pretty good: http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKEE2